Anti-dhimmitude from Rep. Peter King

CAIR is fuming over remarks made by Congressman Peter King (R-NY), but refreshingly, he is not backing down. From Newsday, with thanks to Nicolei:

Rep. Peter King said Wednesday he continues to believe that 85 percent of the mosques in the United States have "extremist leadership," and that while most Muslims are "loyal Americans," they are reluctant to come forward to cooperate with law enforcement when they hear anti-American rhetoric or plots.

King's comments, first made on the Sean Hannity radio show Tuesday, prompted outrage from the American Muslim community. Ghazi Khankan, director of the Westbury-based Islamic Center of Long Island, called King "out of touch with the Muslim community" and said he was particularly offended because King has visited the center many times.

King (R-Seaford) said Wednesday he based his belief on extensive conversations he has had with law enforcement officials, both in New York and Washington, D.C.. He said the issue crystallized for him in the weeks following Sept. 11, 2001. At a community "solidarity" meeting at Temple Beth-El in Great Neck, Dr. Faroque Kahn of the Islamic Center criticized America's foreign policy toward Arab and Palestinian communities, prompting some Jewish attendees to walk out.

King said he used the information he got on Muslim leaders from law enforcement officials for a plot line in his new novel "Vale of Tears." In the book, a Muslim extremist group cooperates with remnants of the Irish Republican Army to plan a terrorist attack on the United States.

King also could have referred to the 1999 testimony before a State Department Open Forum of Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi Muslim. As I detail in Onward Muslim Soldiers, Kabbani investigated American mosques (visiting them personally) and concluded that 80% were controlled by extremists. He has been similarly vilified by American Muslim advocacy groups since then, but he has them somewhat wrongfooted: they have to depart from their usual playbook, since it's hard to call him an anti-Muslim hatemonger.

"Most of the Muslim community is cooperating with police and local authorities," King said Wednesday . "But 85 percent of the mosques have extremist leadership in this country. Most Muslims, the overwhelming majority of Muslims, are loyal Americans but they seem unwilling to come forward."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim umbrella group based in Washington, D.C., and the Islamic Center both accused King of making the comments to sell his book.

"If he wrote about Muslim extremists in Nassau County, it is very much in poor taste, because extremists do not have a religion," said Khankan, adding that his mosque has offered cooperation in the fight against terrorism to Nassau, Suffolk and New York City police officials and FBI agents. "Would King write another fiction and say that some Catholic extremists would do a terrorist act, or that some Jewish terrorist would do some violent acts on Long Island? He wouldn't dare, but he thinks that because we are small in number, he could try to sell books on our backs."

This retort proceeds, of course, from the assumption that the Islamic identity of the terrorists is incidental and accidental. But if you read the actual words of the terrorists themselves (as you can do in Onward Muslim Soldiers), you will find that that is far from the case.

Council on American-Islamic Relations executive director Nihad Awad said that the council was among the first organizations to condemn the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Since then American Muslim leaders have frequently worked with law enforcement officials on the national, state and local levels, he said. Awad invited King to meet with local and national Islamic leaders to "learn more about Muslims in America and their contributions to society."

King said he would meet with them, but "on my terms. I'm not going to listen to propaganda. The purpose of the meeting will be to detail the cooperation they are giving to law enforcement and what they are doing to work against al-Qaida in this country."

He said criticizing American foreign policy is fine, but "not in the wake of the largest tragedy ever to strike this country."

"If the IRA had blown up lower Manhattan, I wouldn't be up defending the IRA the next week," said King, who has a long history working with the Irish peace process under former President Bill Clinton.

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Being from the South, I never thought I would root for anyone from New York until 9-11. It seems that we have another reason to cheer New York.

We should send him a congratulatory e-mail (or snail mail post). Does anyone know his e-mail address?

It's about time that elected officials stand up and draw a line in the sand on this issue and not worry about "political correctness." The unvarnished truth from the mouths of people in high places is required and will be a refreshing change. Wake up politicians and other leaders and smell the coffee. Our survival depends upon it.

Bully for you, Peter King!

Pete.King@mail.house.gov


I sent a letter of support to King and I called them TOO. I encourage all to do the same!

Also, call your Governor immediately and tell them how you feel.... SPREAD THE WORD!

Count me in. THERE is a good example of standing on principle.

YES!!!!!
It's about time government is bring this issue forward! All muslims aren't terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim! He said it! Bravo!

I too emailed him. Perhaps this is a beginning!

"Would King write another fiction and say that some Catholic extremists would do a terrorist act, or that some Jewish terrorist would do some violent acts on Long Island?"

Howling with laughter!!!

Ask im to name ONE! we can name a hundred Islamic terrorist groups who all hold up the koran as their insiration. and it's the same koran, ask him to show us a different one

Nathan-Any terrorist would be branded and condemned regardless of their faith or ideology- Christian, Jew, agnostic, Republican, Democrat, Communist, WHOEVER!!!!

Get it into YOUR head that the terrorism we are experiencing is done by extremist Muslims, not by these groups. This is not lies nor fiction. YOU are disseminating misinformation, not Rep. King.

Picture children in the middle east dancing in the street and laughing after 9/11. Were those all extremists or simply the average Achmed on the street? Yeah, thats what I thought, there ARE no moderate Muslims. Did you see where another Muslim soldier tried to give info to al Queada? Yeah, okay so he was an extremist too. So where is the public outrage from the moderate Muslims? As a Chatolic I condemn the violence in Northern Irland on both sides, as a French-American I condemn the weak sisters in the French government, but then all the courageous Frenchmen left there 200+ years ago.

CAIR is an Islamic Terrorist Organization posing as a Civil Right Organization which uses OUR laws AGAINST us!
CAIR must be stopped and I pray that Rep. King does not back down and continues to tell the truth!
It is neither an accident not an unusual incident that the "terrorists" are muslim - this is their raison d'être - conquer or kill the infidels!
More politician must stand up to CAIR and to those who support that hate-filled anti-American organization now while there is time to curb the rising tide of these power-grabbing Muslims!
I want to preserve my way of life in the USA - and not have my life - one with American freedoms secured -continue with the same freedoms. I certainly do not want my "equality under Islam" as woman - my dog is better treated that I would be...but then again under Sharia - dogs as pets aren't allowed, right?

jihan

I meant to sat that I want to have my life continue in the future with the American freedoms with which I grew up and currently have - not have my life "destroyed" by Islam and the woman-hating, hate-filled, draconian way of life under Shariah!

jihan

epg, it is an interesting and blindingly obvious fact that Islam breeds terrorists in far greater numbers than Christianity, Judiasm, and Bhuddism. It is comparable only to atheism in providing a foundation for terrorism and mass murder. The problem with Islam is that the verse of the Sword and others are part of a wide river of jihad theology intrinsic to Islam itself. Not a single branch of Islam has rejected or explained away jihad theology, and until they do, Muslims will continue to act on it.

Tenebros-You are correct. All terrorists must be held up reprobation, and at this time, Radical Muslims are the kings, no the emperors of terrorists. No branch of Islam will ever repudiate these verses. Everyone will suffer.

If we are able to stem the tide for a few years, a few generations, or even a few centuries, this evil will come back. Containment is not the answer. We all know what must be done. God help us.

Dear Sir,

I would like to express my deep appreciation for your comments with regards to the leadership of the Muslim communities in America, and your unwillingness to back down, despite CAIR's spurious charges of bigotry and opportunism.

We do moderate Muslims a grave disservice when we give in to the PC-thought police, thereby depriving these Muslims who love America the opportunities for soul-searching that not only make them better citizens, but more whole.

For my part I am a lifelong liberal, but unlike many of my colleagues I feel that this administration's response to 9/11 is anything but exagerated.

As a coping mechanism for moving forward, Americans tend to forget history. In contrast, the Islamists scorn the ability of Westerners to forget past grievances. For them, historical "injustices" must be cultivated for the hatred they inspire. Let me quote from page 347 of Paul Fregosi's "Jihad" with regards to what happened in Vienna on September 12, 1683:

"(John) Sobieski, his sword drawn and pointing ahead, stood in the stirrups, turned and shouted, 'Charge!' Sitting upright on his saddle, he then rode straight for the Muslim banner. Shouting 'Hurrah!' seven thousand Polish lancers and hussars galloped behind him, the pennants of their lances fluttering in the breeze. The Turks, usually so brave but now thoroughly demoralized, dropped the reverred holy banner from Mecca and fled, Kara Mustapha leading the flight. The young prince Eugene entered Vienna with two regiments Austrian dragoons; then with some of the garrison they charged the trenches where the Janissaries were posted facing the city, but on reaching the Turkish trenches, the Autrians found them empty. The janissaries, the elite of the Turkish military had fled, too."

This was the beginning of the Ottoman Empire's decline. Islamists mark September 11, 1683 as the last "high point" of the Muslim world, and the last real prospect they had for taking Western Europe.

Their choice of September 11 for the attack on America is a gruesome reminder that for them history can never be transcended.


Warm regards,


Andre Milan

I heard Peter King talking about his new book on Jim Bohannon's radio show the other night.

It seems to me in the recesses of my tiny little mind that I remember Rep. King as a champion of the "Irish struggle."

Google says my tiny little mind remembers correctly:

(in case html isn't turned on, the link is:
http://republican-news.org/archive/1998/March19/18usa.html )

Accompanied into the hall and onto the stage by US Congressmen Peter King and Tom Manton, the Sinn Fein delegation praised the decision to release McAliskey.

So, no, if the IRA attacked Manhattan, he wouldn't defend it. But if they attacked London, no problem.

However, 9/11 did change his mind, and dried up the well of sympathy (and the dollars that went with it) many in New York state harbored for terrorists. Which is why the IRA really went straight after 9/11.

Andrew,

It could have been the defeat at Vienna or it could have been the signing of the Treaty of Karlowitz which was also signed on September 11. (September appears not to have been a very good month for the Ottomans.)

The Treaty of Karlowitz forced the Ottomans to hand over Hungary and much of Christian Eastern Europe, as I recall, to the Hapspurgs after the spectacular military victories of Prince Eugene of Savoy.

Tenebrous,

I am a retired senior officer in the United States Navy.

I was on active duty during Vietnam, and served in Iraq during Gulf I.

I am a physician, and am boarded in three specialties.

I know more about the Constitution of the United States, and respect it more, than 99% of the American population (by the way, did you know that the first Thanksgiving was NOT the harvest festival celebrated by the colonists,but that it was proclaimed by George Washington on October 3, 1789, when he asked that Thanksgiving be celebrated on the last Thursday of November that year in gratitude for the Constitution just recently ratified? The Daughters of the American Revolution have been trying to get the correct story out to the American people for years, but the government schools just won't pick up on it.).

My avocation is Objectivist philosophy, and I know a great deal about ethics and the other three major branches of philosophy.

I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said that it doesn't matter whether someone believes in twenty gods or none.

I am an atheist, and in all my 65 years, I have never heard of any "atheist movement" to spread terror--because there is no such "movement."

Are you, perhaps, thinking of the Communists of the old Soviet Union, which proclaimed religion to be the "bromide of the people?" While they did, indeed, try to eliminate religion from the lives of the people they controlled, and while they were collectivists and statists, and while they were our enemy, they were not terrorists. Even the (Lutheran) Nazis, another statist group, despicable as they were, were not terrorists. Nor were the (Catholic) Italian Fascists terrorists. Today's remaining Communists in China, North Korea, and Cuba are followers of an ethically despicable philosophy, but while they are evil, they are not terrorists. The totalitarian Burmese, an up-and-coming center of oppression, are evil, but they are not terrorists.

One might possibly consider Ghengis Khan, Tamurlane, or Attila the Hun as terrorists, because they routinely slaughtered non-combatants in order to discourage resistence on the part of their neighbors.

It isn't the belief or lack of belief in a supernatural entity that makes us good or not good; it is what we choose as the standard by which to guide our thoughts and actions, as our moral code, that makes us good or not good. If we respect each other as human beings, with all that that subsumes, then we are good, whether we are Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Taoist, agnostic, or atheist. If we do not respect each other as human beings with all that that subsumes, then we are not good.

There is not a human being on the face of the earth who can tolerate feeling immoral. Even a murderer will try to squirm around and find some way to justify his actions, to "feel moral." People whose ethics, whose moral code, is contained within their religious beliefs, feel threatened by atheism because they think that to be atheist means to be without a moral code. Many religious people even feel that way about each other. The religion of Islam, with all its sincere belief in a supernatural entity, is dangerous and evil precisely because is grants moral authority to its followers to pursue a course which can be objectively demonstrated to be immoral.

The art of definition, developed by Aristotle, the Father of Reason,is very, very important. Words have meaning, and we must all be very careful to use them accurately.

Tenebrous, I--and all my atheist and religious friends--are on YOUR side in this fight against terrorism. All of us who believe that the "standard of the good" is "life appropriate to a human being," and that our moral code must be based on holding human life as our fundamental value, must "stick together" in this war on terrorism. The terrorists in this case are terrorists precisely BECAUSE of their religion, which has chosen death, not life, as the "standard of the good" for their moral code.

Let's stay on track here, and WIN this one.

Ilhad-Good post. We will win this one if we "hang together." I am sure that you are doing more than posting on this website. Good luck on this mission.

Susan,

Thank you for the history lesson! I focused on the siege of Vienna because it is a theme often reiterated by Bernard Lewis in his pioneering book about the decline of the Muslim world; "What Went Wrong."

This is the first time I heard of the treaty of Karlowitz. I will definately look it up. Such information not only gives us an important window into the Islamist mindset, it also gives us more credibility against the many liberals who live in denial that this has anything to do with Islam.

Lovely and lucid comment, Ilhad.

Excellent! That is twice in one week I have heard the issue is with Islam; once was on C-span for a book interview.

It will come forth sooner now, than later—that Islam is a fascist 7th century death cult that Muhammad brought forth and mandated to subjugate the world. The easiest way to prove those assertions is to read the Qur'an and the hadith.

Great posts!

Lili

" criticizing American foreign policy is fine, but "not in the wake of the largest tragedy ever to strike this country."
Peter King obviously did not read the Irish media in the wake of September 11th.

It is neatly excerpted, with links, at "Ireland's Case Against America", http://www.geocities.com/irelandvus911/

Susan,

I just learned that the Treaty of Karlowitz was signed on January 26, 1699. Nonetheless, this was a direct result of Prince Eugene's victory in the Battle of Zenta on September 11, 1697 (80 miles from Belgrade).

Ilhad,

Great post!







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