Before shrimp on the barbee, Foster's Lager, and Crocodile Dundee, evidently there was the burqa, the book, and the Prophet. MEMRI is reporting that the Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, Taj Al-Din Hamed Abdallah Al-Hilali, is claiming that Australia was originally Muslim land, settled by Afghans. The Aborigines are their descendants:
"The strange thing was that when our muezzin [who accompanied Sheikh Al-Hilali on his visit to Alice Springs] stood up to call for prayer, the old people of the town came out, and so did men and youths, and they looked different than the black Aborigines. They were a mixture of Afghan and Aborigine, as a result of marriages of Afghan men and Aborigine women. When the muezzin called 'Allahu Akbar,' they said, 'We have heard this song from our ancestors...' When they asked us 'What is this song you are singing?' we told them that this was an announcement of prayer time. When we asked them their names, they answered John, or Steve, but their names ended with Saraj Al-Din, Abdallah, or Muhammad..."
This sort of thing may just seem silly, or even cute, until one realizes that to anyone who takes the Sheikh's claim seriously, Australia is now Muslim land. Islamic law stipulates that Muslims possess by right any land that once formed part of the House of Islam; this is a key element of the claim to Israel put forward by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The same claim has been advanced, by the way, for America.
Al-Hilali, meanwhile, has already endorsed violent jihad in other contexts:
Following a meeting with Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Sheikh Al-Hilali said: "I blessed Hizbullah for liberating the prisoners and the bones of the Shahids and I praised it and its sacrifice. Hizbullah has become a model for all the Mujahideen in the world... Most of the Australian people do not support the policy of the Australian government, which has placed Hizbullah on the terror list out of submission to the U.S., and the Australian prime minister will pay the price for this in the next elections..." . . ."We are proud of the Islamic resistance in Palestine, Lebanon, Kashmir, and everywhere in the world that seeks to achieve its legitimate rights in accordance with the international resolutions, the human rights conventions, and the U.N. resolutions...
"We are also proud of the Islamic resistance that liberated southern Lebanon, led by Hizbullah, the legitimate Lebanese national movement, that forced the Israeli occupation army to withdraw from southern Lebanon, dragging trails of disappointment and shame behind it.
"We are also proud of what Hamas and the Islamic Jihad are both doing in the occupied territories. We support the resistance and support, with all our might, the martyrdom operations carried out by the Palestinian liberation movements, operations that are a legitimate act against the cruel occupation, according to all international norms and conventions.
"Also, whoever carries out a martyrdom [operation] is a pure Shahid and one of the men of Paradise. Moreover, he stands at the head of the Shahids."
That is, of course, a suicide bombing.
Al-Hilali also memorably dubbed Bush, Blair, and Australian PM John Howard the "axis of evil." But who is really behind it all? One guess:
Sheikh Al-Hilali said on another occasion: "The media all over the world are controlled by Zionist fingers, particularly the Western media, and that includes Australia, in which the media are under Zionist hegemony. But in Australia, which unlike the West and the U.S. is multicultural, the media are less racist in their enmity to Muslims and Islam. This is evidenced by the fact that we won the last media battle in Australia and succeeded in forcing the Australian people to treat us with respect. We have not suffered from persecution or disrespect to the same extent that Islamic communities in Western countries and in America have suffered."
ADDENDUM: Susan has referred me to two particularly egregious examples of Islamic mythmaking about a pre-Columbian Muslim America. Go here and click on "History."
UPDATE: After being condemned by the Australian Prime Minister and many others, Hilali is denying he called for jihad at all. No one seems concerned about his claim that Australia was originally Muslim. (Thanks to Kevin and Jean-Luc.)
This land ain't their land. This land is our land.
How retarded are these people? Yes, there are many Afghani-Aboriginals in Australia. I used to play cricket with one. Afghans were brought over by the colonial British to open up the interior of Australia. There are also wild camels. Camels are not native to Australia any more than Afghans are.
One cannot reason with the muslim fanatics.
Once they said Australia used to be muslim land,that`s it,they will never ever take that back.
And now mujahadeens,terrorist muslim fighters will pour in,from allover the world,to eliberate Australia and to give it back to its islamic ummah.
Same thing will happen with most of Europe,for most of it has belonged,at one time or another to the Ottoman Empire,via turquish occupation.
Europe has been eliberated from the turqs in 1877 and soon after the Ottoman Empire fell and desintegrated.
However,according to muslim doctrine,once a territory belonged to islam,under any circumstances and for any amount of time,no matter how short,muslim will have a legitimate claim for that territory,forever.
Until it`s not too late:ban islam as a religion,at least within all western countries,take down all mosques and repatriate all muslims!
Not even one should be allowed to enter a western country,ever.
Do it before they will take over!
None of the western countries,however will do any of these self defense actions,and that will lead to their end.
America will be the last one standing and fighting back... God bless America.
does this mean all the aborigines are apostates?
If so, doesn't Islam say they shall be put to death?
Just curious.
Once they`ll take over,they will take care of that aspect too.
Either conversion to islam,or death.
There is no third choice.
But finally some good news from Holland/Europe.
The Dutch Parliament has voted in favor of a new law that will allow the expulsion of some 26,000 immigrants(for starters),mostly from muslim countries,which is a very good sign that Europe is slowly waking up.
It may be too late,but it`s a good start.
God bless America!
adela you actually believe that there is a million strong mujahdeen army out there? i get the impression there stretched pretty thin with iraq,afghaninstan,and chechnya....
The religion of Islam is another 'Master Race' attempt to control the world.
Only America has stood up against this kind of tyranny that has swallowed up the world for centuries.
Islam will soon have control of nuclear weapons. They will probably not hesitate to use them pre-emptively.
The tyranny of Islam may win, reminding me of an old 'spoof' of a NY Daily News front-page Headline that said:
"WORLD ENDS---WE WIN".
Bat Ye'or, a historian, talks about the Islamist process of rewriting history. They Islamize the past and claim the achievements of preceding civilizations. To the best of my knowledge Muslims are the only "religion" to build their mosques on top of pre-existing Hindu temples and Christian churches, and Jewish temples.
This is all consistent with the process she describes in her books.
i take it that most of you are wanting for a second crusade..... so we can go sack the muslims cities...
muslims are not going to take over the world just like jews,chrisitians, and whatever relgion is not going to. you are caught up in this hysteria that is complete nonsense.
and i hope i am not assuming but im suprised alot of these conversations have not turned to talking about
signs off the "rapture"....
no more ranting tonight i know i probably got a few people boiling mad.. which is not my attention. to me talks of muslim world domination are no different then anti semtic's talking of zionist world domination its the same crap
Yes,Joseph,the mujahadeens can be counted not by millions,but by tens of millions.
Any muslim,no matter how moderate,could all of a sudden turn radical and start killing infidels.
They are claiming Australia now..and they will probably get it sooner or later.
But their luck stops right here in the US.
All european countries will follow America`s lead and will start using biometric photometrics,and the only reason is, to prevent muslims to come and go as they please...
Holland has started to deport them and soon Germany,Austria and Denmark will do the same.
Slowly but surely,the civilized world is waking up,and not a second too soon.
The only way this planet will ever live in peace,is to eradicate ISLAM.
Just like polio,small pox and other contagious diseases were eradicated,we have to rid the world of this venomous cult.
Eradicate it from all western countries and then impose a 100% strict quarantine of the muslim states;stay there and leave us alone.
If you want to kill each other,or chop each other limbs,or stone each other to death,...fine with us,as long as you keep it right there and don`t try to impose it on us.
My only hope is that under the veil of political corectness and beyond the politics of gasoline fuel,our government is aware of the danger that ISLAM is to our civilization and is geting ready to deal with it.
God bless America.
god bless america indeed
the cash in the cow
bulldozed olive trees
stones and stones
house divided
house asleep
brother to brother
Ishmel to Isaac
we all know the taste of blood
but we forgot how
to look in our brothers eyes
and hear with our ears
pushing passion won't do it
these words can't do it
but our hearts can
Hmmm—so what were the Afghans/Muslims doing during the Aborigines' "Dream Time"?
Summer Breeze—What were the Palestinians doing before the second intefadah? Why did they call it?
Lili
It is true that Islam regards lands once part of the dar al-Islam as first on the list of lands to be reconquered -- hence Israel (particularly galling given its geographic position), but many Muslims keep noting that "we lost Spain, India" not as a matter for the past but of present fury. But, in fact, in Islamic teachings there is no need to bring up any putative Muslim population, because ALL people were originally Muslim (all Christians and Jews were BORN Muslim, but their faith was somehow perverted); all lands belong to Allah, and therefore to Allah's people, the Muslims. So the Mufti need only have explalined that Australia, like all other areas of the world, belongs to Muslims, whatever the population now, or in the past.
Is is really so difficult for non-Muslims to take the time to intelligently study the basic tenets of Islam, simply in order to protect themselves and their children? Must people spend more time researching which toaster to buy, than they do learning about Islam -- not from apologists and smiling imams at a welcoming local mosque, well-versed in how to deal with naive Infidels -- but rather from the scholars, from Schacht and Margoliouth, Bouquet, Vajda, Vryonis, Bat Ye'or, and so on? Surely there is a need for reprints of the best scholarly literature of the period 1850-1960, before certain truths stopped being told. One hopes someone is working on it, and some publishers will see the need.
Summer Breeze, that is some truly awful poetry, complete with nonsensically hacked metaphors and all. Let's dissect.
god bless america indeed
the cash in the cow
[[The metaphor here is "cash cow." Cash inside a cow makes little sense. Especially given that you don't develop this theme, so the audience is left to conclude you're just a poetaster.]]
bulldozed olive trees
[[America isn't the one bulldozing peace. Rather America is patient indeed. We gave Saddam 13 years to shape up. We've given Arafat even longer. And America isn't the one calling for blowing up children on busses, either. America isn't the one proclaiming "Death to the Kuffir!". Bulldozing peace, right.]]
stones and stones
house divided
house asleep
[[So if America is the house that's asleep, then which house is awake?]]
brother to brother
Ishmel to Isaac
we all know the taste of blood
but we forgot how
to look in our brothers eyes
and hear with our ears
pushing passion won't do it
these words can't do it
but our hearts can
[[I have looked into my brother's eyes and have seen only the purposefully decietful, hateful, murderous spirit of jihad looking back. Americans don't need to become more understanding. Islamists need to grasp, once and for all, that the murder of innocents is evil. ]]
~Tene
Hmm, Lilith,
Protesting a bigwig visiting their Mosque, who turned Msulims away?
What were the Israeli doing in 1948 with the help of US et al?
When shed - all blood is red.
When open - all hearts know compassion.
When seeing - we are one human race trying to survive.
When hearing - we share the same grief over lost loved ones.
Revenge begets revenge
Hate begets hate
Forgiveness begets forgiveness
Love begets love
Dreamtime
Imagine...
"Make it so, Scotty."
Make it so was the catchphrase of Jean Luc Picard. Scotty and he did serve together (for example, in episode 230 of TNG)
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68566.html
But to my knowledge he did not say "Make it so, Scotty"
Its this sort of disdain for the facts that cause world wars.
If any one wants to know how a grub like Hilalie could ever get into Australia and then be granted citizenship and then rejoice in the murder of 18 Australians and some 2,900 men women and children from all over the world at the World Trade Center it's easy, just arrive when the country is been run by the Australian Socialist Labor Party that needs votes to stay in power regardless of the economic social or security cost's
MINISTER FOR IMMIGRATION AND MULTICULTURAL AFFAIRS
Interview with Alan Jones, 2UE
ALAN JONES: This boat people issue doesn't go away. The Prime Minister yesterday, in launching his policy, made the simple point that the Government will decide who comes into Australia and on what terms. It's as simple as that, and it is simple. How many times have I made the point that if you're going to determine who comes into your home and on what terms, surely we as a nation have that entitlement in relation to our national home.
But now we have the spectacle after last week and an Indonesian fishing boat sinking and 350 so-called asylum seekers dying, we've got the spectacle of three Indonesian warships searching for a fishing boat ! allegedly hijacked by Iraqi asylum seekers and believed to be heading to Australia.
Now, the search was under way since last Thursday, the day after it was reportedly seized by 170 asylum seekers. But now it has been found drifting off the Indonesian island of Sumbawa and the boat people have been taken by smaller boats to the village of Sangyang which is an hour's sail away. It's said that the boat was hijacked by a group of Iraqi refugees who want to go to Australia. So the debate goes on.
As one editorial wrote at the weekend, "When Australians awoke last week to the image of three little girls staring from almost every newspaper front page, many felt a surge of sorrow and a huge pang of guilt. Suddenly, protecting our borders from asylum seekers seemed flint-hearted. What nation could be so stony as to turn away the sweet innocence? Surely not the land of a fair go."
But it went on. "A mourning Muslim community was quick to blame the Government. After ! all, it was argued the girls would never have been on board that leaking rust bucket had it not been for our law designed to ensure those who seek refugee status really are refugees."
It said, "The Muslim community, so deeply touched by tragedy, could easily be forgiven for reacting in anger." And then it said, "The truth is somewhat different." It said, "It should be remembered that those who choose Australia as a destination do so not because they've suddenly become imbued with Aussie fervour, it's because the people-smuggling industry sees us as an easy target. The softer we get, the more they will come."
And it's on again. We woke yesterday to headlines which cried, "Mutiny on the Ocean - Vessels Head for Australia." And then of course in the middle of all this last week, we've got Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilaly, the alleged spiritual leader of Australia's 300,000 Muslims, accusing John Howard and government policy of having "opened the gates to death" to the asy! lum seekers who drowned off Indonesia.
And that has led to a flood of comments, emails and faxes from you to me about the Sheik, such that it's time we spoke to the Immigration Minister about what this bloke is saying, who he is and how long he can go on saying it. And Philip Ruddock is on the line.
Minister, good morning.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Morning, Alan.
ALAN JONES: What about this mutiny on the ocean? What is the update, and what do you know on that?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, no more than the reports. I mean, obviously while we're in touch with the Indonesian authorities, they don't brief us on all of these developments. But I'm pleased that we haven't seen a further loss of life because I think the events of last week were tragic and one wouldn't want to see those sorts of things happening again.
And as far as I'm concerned, if we were to relax our approach and encourage more people to think that they should come this way, we would only ! be exposing more children to a possible death in the same way that these children have died.
ALAN JONES: There is talk today that two Indonesian police officers have been arrested over the fishing boat that sank on October 19 with only 44 of its passengers surviving. Can you confirm that?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: I can't, but it's a matter for the Indonesian authorities to, of course, progress. They've been obviously very concerned about many of the claims that have been made - I would be - and they've sought to deal with it.
And our view all along was that it was a matter for the Indonesians to handle. It's within their boundaries, they're a sovereign nation and they've got responsibility in relation to any complaints that are made about their law enforcement officers.
ALAN JONES: There's talk of 3,000 more boat people expected to head for Australia in the next few weeks and the Indonesian Government saying there are 4,000 illegal immigrants waiting to sail! to Australia. Is that consistent with your intelligence?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Not quite. I mean, the sorts of numbers that we've known to be in the hands of smugglers - that is, we've identified particular smugglers who might be planning to bring boats to Australia - don't suggest the numbers are immediately as high as that. But the reports of up to 4,000 in Indonesia and possibly another 4,000 in Malaysia are very real.
ALAN JONES: Is there a need to re-examine the quotas on refugees who are found to be genuine? We allow in about 12,000 a year.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, I mean, Mr Beazley's not arguing that we should and the reason he's not is that there is a very heavy cost. And it's one of the draw factors, of course. I mean, for us it's $30 million per thousand on the forward estimates. So I mean, you can decide that you're going to spend that money on additional refugees being resettled in Australia, but I look at what's happening at the moment in Pakistan, f! or instance, and I think to myself, well, what would $30 million do in terms of looking after millions of people who are in dire straits.
And I think that certainly the approach being taken by the international community at this stage is that an evacuation of modest numbers of people from Pakistan is not going to deal with the very much larger crisis that Pakistan faces. And I think it has to be seen in that context.
And there's no amount of people that we could take that would limit, I think, the groups of people with money to travel and still vulnerable to the blandishments of smugglers.
ALAN JONES: Okay. Well, down to the thing that has concerned my listeners - and I have been inundated and I suppose you have as well. But they're asking me how much longer that Australians have to cop the kind of stuff that this Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilaly went on with last week arguing that you and the Prime Minister and government policy had "opened the gates of death! ."
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well look, I wasn't very impressed with the comments, as you can imagine, and I'd seen the Sheik several hours before he made them and didn't make them to my face.
I said - look, one of the things in your introduction I'd just pick up. I think it's unfair to say that all Muslims take the view that the government policy in this area is wrong. Many Muslims I know very strongly support the approach that we take because they believe we're a…
ALAN JONES: But this bloke calls himself the spiritual leader.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Yeah well, he does that but his position is not as sound as that and he's been - essentially, I think there are very significant splits within the Islamic community.
ALAN JONES: Well, Alan Ramsey who's been around Canberra longer than you have - and that's saying something…
PHILIP RUDDOCK: I saw Alan…
ALAN JONES: Well, he wrote at the weekend - and I just want to take you through some of this beca! use my listeners want some answers - that 11 years ago, as Opposition spokesman on immigration, you pursued questions never answered as to why the Hawke Labor Government granted this bloke, Al Hilaly, permanent residency in 1990, that eight years earlier, he said, the Sheik had arrived in Sydney from Egypt under the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils on a three-month visa and his family never left.
Now there were several convictions, intellectual convictions against this bloke and many want to know how he still remains in the light of saying the things he said.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, I mean, Alan Ramsey's story went through it and I think there were some other stories at the same time, that related what happened. I mean, this…
ALAN JONES: He was accused of inciting racial hatred.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Yes, and Chris Herford, who was the former Minister, determined that in character terms he should not remain in Australia.
ALAN JONES: That's r! ight.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: And he issued a deportation order.
ALAN JONES: That's in 1986.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: And that was overturned because there were representations made by essentially the Lebanese Muslim Association in Sydney to the Members of Parliament - I think Leo McLeay was one and Paul Keating was another.
ALAN JONES: Alan Ramsey said that Hilaly had been supported by strong New South Wales and federal ALP lobbying and survived.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, as I understand it, there was very strong lobbying, and I spoke to Robert Ray at the time. He made the decisions that he would be able to continue to remain here on a temporary basis. They were renewed, as I understand it, for a number of years, and Ray I think was a bit nervous that there may be a change in an election. It didn't happen. There was a Labor Government was returned and Hilaly was given permanent residency.
And once he was granted permanent residency, provided he remained i! n Australia, he was eligible for citizenship.
ALAN JONES: Let's go back a bit, just go back a bit, because…
PHILIP RUDDOCK: …while Gerry Hand was Minister…
ALAN JONES: Let's go back a bit though before we get to Gerry Hand because you're going fairly quickly but my listeners would want us to go a bit more slowly.
In October 1998, you demanded his visa be withdrawn after, as Ramsey rightly reports, a series of virulent anti-Semitic comments were attributed to a speech he made at the University of Sydney. I should repeat that Ramsey at the weekend said the comments were published in a Jewish newspaper and contained a reference to Jews as the underlying cause of all wars and that Jews who "used sex and abominable acts of buggery to control the world."
And this bloke, in spite of overtures that such a person shouldn't be kept in this country, has been kept here.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: And the reason he's been kept here is that the decisions the L! abor Government took at that time gave him permanent residency and then citizenship, and once you achieve citizenship, it cannot be revoked. And you know, when we came into office…
ALAN JONES: So the deportation order of Herford was revoked by Herford's successor?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: That's right.
ALAN JONES: To placate an ethnic community in the run-up to the July '87 election?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: There were very significant pressures put on at that time, and former Prime Minister Keating, I believe, was the person who pushed for the Minister at that time to take those decisions.
ALAN JONES: Ramsey wrote on Saturday that privately the Sheik had travelled to Canberra for a meeting with McLeay and Keating and when Robert Ray learnt of it - the Minister - he deferred the Sheik's application for a year on the grounds of collusion. And Ramsey said that Keating wouldn't speak to Robert Ray for months.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, I know none of that. But ! I know that Ray was not keen to make the decision, but I know the decision was made and I know when I came Minister in 1996 it was a fait accompli.
I mean, citizenship is something that cannot be revoked unless it was initially obtained by fraud, and there is no suggestion here the information that you are speaking of was not known to the Government at the time.
ALAN JONES: Right. But Ramsey does say in September 1990, when Hand then approved Hilaly's permanent residence, you, Philip Ruddock, sought under Freedom of Information "all briefings and advisings" in the "grant of resident status to Hilaly and his family." And you were quoted as saying the Minister must be able to justify the decision, and yet you've never had those questions answered.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: No. I mean, you might - the question I would expect from you is why I haven't asked for those papers now and what would I do with it. And essentially I've come to the view that if I can't do anythin! g about the decision, it's going to be pretty silly of me just seeking to look at the papers.
I mean, I know of the concerns. There were security concerns and they were mentioned in that article as well as the vilification of a segment of our community. And I make the point every time I speak in front of Hilaly about the importance of our culturally diverse society and what that means. And I make the point very strongly that, you know, when you've settled in Australia, while we acknowledge that people have different cultural backgrounds, we have an expectation that they'll observe our laws.
And one of the things that disappoints me in relation to immigration laws is that some people seem to think - and Hilaly is arguing this - are entitled to ignore our laws if they relate to immigration. And I don't think you have a society that believes in the rule of law where you say, well, there are some laws that I'll obey and some that I won't.
ALAN JONES: But when ! a bloke says that the Prime Minister of a country has opened the gates to death because asylum seekers have drowned, isn't this an incitement to mobilise his people against those who support the Government?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Look, I mean it is very clear that remarks of that sort, if they were being made - and the sort of remarks that he's made elsewhere - would be matters that we would take into account under the character provisions if we were dealing with a migration application de nevo. They are matters…
ALAN JONES: He's already a permanent citizen.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: He's a permanent resident and citizen.
ALAN JONES: And citizen. But in January last year, is it right that he was sentenced to a year in jail with hard labour after being convicted of smuggling antiquities from Egypt to Australia?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: I believe there was a conviction which he has appealed and that appeal is still being dealt with.
ALAN JONES: And the Sheik's so! n and four other people were also jailed.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: I don't know about that, but I do know that those proceedings were taking place in Egypt and he was the subject of a conviction and that matter has been appealed and that appeal is still being dealt with.
ALAN JONES: It's not fair to the Muslim community, surely, to be represented in the public place by people who speak like this, is it?
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Well, I think the Islamic community have been very concerned about this matter themselves and he's been at times relieved of some of his responsibilities. And as I understand it, he is no longer the Mufti - which was the terms used - for the Supreme Spiritual Leader in Australia. He is just one of a number of imams.
ALAN JONES: Good on you. Thank you for your time because many of my listeners wrote and asked me to ask you those questions. I've done that and you've answered them. I thank you for that.
PHILIP RUDDOCK: Thanks, Alan.
ALAN JONES: Philip Ruddock, the Immigration Minister. There you are, we're inundated with letters and faxes and emails here about all of that. I hope that clarifies it for you. He is an Australian citizen.
29 October 2001
Umm, Summer Breeze, it was Number One (Ryker) that Picard addressed "Make it so" too, not Scotty. Scotty lived three hundred years or so before Jean-Luc. Moreover, neither Jean-Luc nor Scotty were adverse to letting off a Photon torpedo now and then to keep the Klingons and Romulans in line. Ohhh! Self-defense against tyrannical psychopaths! How EVIL! They should have fired bad poetry or puppies and rainbows at the Romulans.
In addition to being a very bad poet, you are also an idiot. Sorry if that ruffles your senthitive feelings, but it's true.
Go find an iddy-biddy puppies-and-bunnies website to post that childish crap on; we're trying to save our children's lives here.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens in Australia and Europe. Give it 10-15 years then we will know what customs and beliefs the world will live by.
Some video's to help us understand Islam.
http://www.christianresource.com/B976B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B977B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B978B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B979B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B980B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B981B.wmv
http://www.christianresource.com/B982B.wmv
My oh and dear
as a great grandmother
retired reistered nurse
publisher of poetry for 15 years
why oh why do I find my broken lines
attacked as bad poetry
rather than attack the message?
( "cash cow" is a cliché, and clichés, in poetry, are deadly)
if we are here to save lives
every time ANYONE here uses personal attacks
when they do not like a message
instead of exchanging ideas in honorable debate
we all lose
And every keystroke in each and every comment we make is somewhere out there is cyberspace and is collected by someone. Thus, someday we probably be held to account for what we write.
But don't let that chill the debate. Just be cognizant of the fact that we are being recorded.
Why do all the asylum seekers try to get into Australia? Because no one else, including their Muslim brothers - especially their Muslim brothers - wants them.
jay
Summer breeze, I take it you,like the rest of the mass murderer's apologist's feel that should they attain the ascendency that you and you fellow apologists and haters of the west will be able to quote a few of your "poems" smile and embrace these Barbarian's so as to "exude as much love as your human spirit can evoke" and explaine how you and your kind are not like those terrible anti Muslim racist's and so you will be free to go about your crystal gazing and poetery writing as the rest of us terrible Racist's get what we deserve,
Sorry to break the news to you the only "Summer Breeze" that will be blowing is that,that will be roaring out your arse as you get your throat cut by those that you are so enamored by, it's right brainers like you that are first against the wall you goose, do you really think that they give a stuff about you and your poetry geeeeeeeze I thought all the RIGHT BRAINERS lived in Australia
Kevin,
((mass murderer's apologist's)) - My oh and dear
((haters of the west)) - great grandmother
((exude as much love as your human spirit can evoke)) - publisher of poetry for 15 years
((explaine))
((anti Muslim racist's)) - why oh why do I find my broken lines
((crystal gazing)) - retired reistered nurse
((roaring out your arse as you)) - ( "cash cow" is a cliché, and clichés, in poetry, are deadly)
((get your throat cut)) - if we are here to save lives
((you that are first against the wall you goose)) - every time ANYONE here uses personal attacks
when they do not like a message
instead of exchanging ideas in honorable debate
we all lose
David,
Cheers for Star Trek and memory - ignore all of the lines in the poem except the last:
((But to my knowledge he did not say "Make it so, Scotty"))
Give that Treky an A+ - plus for remembering they did, indeed, once meet.
Creating a new line out of an old familar line is a poser - i.e. are both right and left brain burners engaged? (the reader always gets to choose)
((In addition to being a very bad poet))
Thank you, as we in the trenches are wont to say, any response is better than no response.
(( you are also an idiot))
in any pack of cards there are two sides
((Sorry if that ruffles your senthitive feelings, but it's true.))
I'm sorry there is nothing for you to be sorry about.
((Its this sort of disdain for the facts that cause world wars.))
No. It is debating the mundane facts in order to ignore the profane.
e.g.
What were the Israeli doing in 1948 with the help of US et al?
all blood is red
all hearts know compassion
we are one human race trying to survive
we share the same grief over lost loved ones.
Tene,
((that is some truly awful poetry))
Thank you for responding.
>the cash in the cow
((that you don't develop this theme))
in poetry any line could be a "theme"
take "god bless America indeed" - no theme developed here...
(( so the audience is left to conclude you're just a poetaster))
is that anything like a Poe taster?
bulldozed olive trees
[[America isn't the one bulldozing peace.))
mixing metaphors - you can not bull doze peace but you can bomb the world to pieces
Who manufactured the bulldozers that were used to bulldoze real, living, producing, olive trees
a real metaphor might be biblical
((Rather America is patient indeed. We gave Saddam 13 years to shape up))
or was it the United Nations?
((. We've given Arafat even longer.))
Or was it Israel?
((And America isn't the one calling for blowing up children on busses, either.))
No, we can afford smart bombs.
((America isn't the one proclaiming "Death to the Kuffir!". Bulldozing peace, right.]]
If death results in proclaiming "You have 48 hours to get out....Shock and Awe...Mother of All Bombs"
and 10'000 deaths is the result, what is missing here?
house divided - suggesting the Biblical house divided that can not stand
house asleep
[[So if America is the house that's asleep, then which house is awake?]]
America is divide
these words can't do it
but our hearts can
((that the murder of innocents is evil))
whether by air land or sea
Dear Summer Breeze after reading your "reply" I suggest you go back to self medicating, you know the "Timothy Leary" solution, "nudge nudge wink wink know wot I meeen gov"
Sincearly wishing you well on your journey to how do you say in the States "recovery" ?
Thank you dear compassionate Kevin I love you too!
I'm doin' fine with Medicare - that I paid into from it's inception.
Sorry you need, once again, to attacking my person instead of my ideas.
Summer Breeze
Thank you dear compassionate Kevin I love you too!
Gee you got me there I've never been the victim of a retort like that before, I don’t know what to say
I'm doin' fine with Medicare - that I paid into from it's inception.
So you want a medal for been responsible for your own health care ?
Sorry you need, once again, to attacking my person instead of my ideas.
So far all I have seen of your post’s are a collection of illogical ramblings
resembling a mad womans’ breakfast, so far no ideas but hey you lot don’t have
to have ideas, you just sit on the sidelines and spew out your elitist racist bigotry
every chance you can and when challenged you call it “compassion” “understanding”
“progressive enlightenment” “caring and sharing” “someone has to make a difference”
You and your fellow travelers are all suffering from a mass dose of Stockholm Syndrome
Or are you deliberate in your advocacy for the greatest threat to humanity since Hitler ?
((So you want a medal for been responsible for your own health care ?))
No dear, I was only responding to your previous post of:
((I suggest you go back to self medicating, you know the "Timothy Leary" solution))
((illogical ramblings
a mad woman's’ breakfast
spew out your elitist racist bigotry
a mass dose of Stockholm Syndrome
advocacy for the greatest threat to humanity since Hitler?))
(((Sorry you need, once again, to attacking my person instead of my ideas.)))
Except "illogical ramblings" - who can respond to that without explaining what I've said you found illogical.
The greater threat to humanity since Hitler is the 50 million humans that will starve to death this year.
Another greater threat to humanity is the proliferation of nuclear weapons - something the US and Russia failed to stop in all
these years since the end of WW II when we first started talking of the need for a Treaty to stop them.
The day after 9/11 a reporter told us his young child asked "Why do they hate us?"
I understand the calling for jihad is in the Muslim's Qur’an
It is "racist bigotry" to believe ALL Muslim's answer this call
We can call the Cold War cold but a lot of hot blood was shed that was not Russian or American blood.
In our desire to stop Communism (a worthy goal) we also stopped socialism and the ability in many Muslim nations, especially
Indonesia, to have any method to vent their grievances against any dictator - their only recourse was with their religion.
I do not believe America is the "Evil Empire" - only that our hands are not lily white.
I do believe the threat from jihadists is as real as has been stated in this forum.
"Why do they hate us?" the children ask and we have been given the answer
"We love the American people and their culture. We hate America's foreign policy."
Refusing to admit ANY US responsibility in current world conflicts is part of the threat.
What has Stockholm to do with the subject of jihad?
good morning
Dear Madame Breeze,
You are right about one thing the city of Stockholm has nothing to do with Jihad apart from having it's share of muslim activist's and apologist just like the rest of the world's great citie's where allah's dark shadow has fallen.
However the term "Stockholm Syndrome" is a known psycological condition.
This condition does INDEED have a lot to do with the consequences of jihad,or any other acts of barbarism committed by similar Sociopathic cult's.
I am surprised, that given that you are a poet you would have been well aware of this condition.
Dear Sir Kevin,
You caught me not doing my homework - sorry for that. Thanks for the introduction. I found about 93,000 sites on web search - with definitions for causes of Stockholm Syndrome, ranging from child/spousal abuse to "Is the World suffering from Stockholm Syndrome."
((You and your fellow travelers are all suffering from a mass dose of Stockholm Syndrome))
Now I understand - once again you attack me rather than my ideas. I will try once again - with that which I find most distressing:
"Refusing to admit ANY US responsibility in current world conflicts is part of the threat."
I think this guy's crazy ramblings are being taken a little too seriously.
Grand mufti? It sounds like he's just giving himself some self-important sounding titles.
i remember reading a history book and someone once said;
"land belongs to Allah swt". in the sense that fighting over land is just ridic for ridic reasons. especially just for the name! it *was a muslim land. but *not now*.
i do not know what most of u are trying to prove, really. -muslim or non muslim. somebody please tell me.