
Not an anti-terror weapon
They love fish and chips; how could they be terrorists? The usual protestations of innocence from the families of the British Muslims who were just arrested raises another common misconception that I hear all the time: that American pop culture, or Western pop culture in general, will ultimately defeat Islamic radicalism. Muslims, in this view, will choose Big Macs and Britney over the Sharia and caliphate.
Unfortunately, there is already abundant evidence around the world that this is not the case. Even the most radical Muslims already have abundant access to Western culture, and many of them don't see any contradiction to their worldview in slugging down a Coke — the existence of Mecca Cola notwithstanding. When the journalist Charles Glass was taken hostage in Lebanon in the late 1980s, he found his captors listening to Michael Jackson records. Michael didn't move them to call off the jihad.
From AP, with thanks to Jean-Luc:
RELATIVES of young men arrested in a police anti-terrorist sweep that netted half a ton of potentially explosive fertiliser proclaimed their innocence today, while British Muslim leaders called for vigilance against terrorist activity.Unlike most previous terror suspects arrested here, the young men are all British citizens, products of quiet, racially mixed suburbs whose residents expressed shock - and fear for their community.
"The police say they are Muslims, Pakistanis - it causes problems," said a 26-year-old resident of Crawley, the dormitory town near Gatwick Airport where three were arrested.
"Things like that are going to mess up Crawley," said the man, a taxi driver who gave only his first name, Malik.
In fact, police would not confirm media reports that the suspects were of Pakistani origin and said nothing about their religious affiliation.
Police were questioning the eight men, aged 17 to 32, at London's high-security Paddington Green police station today.
They were arrested in London and surrounding counties yesterday on suspicion of "being concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism".
Police also recovered half a ton of ammonium nitrate - a chemical fertiliser used in many bomb attacks, including the October 2002 explosions that killed 202 people on the Indonesian island of Bali - from a self-storage warehouse in west London, a few miles from Heathrow Airport.
Ansar Khan, a taxi driver who works at Gatwick airport, said his 18-year-old son Ahmad was arrested, along with two cousins. He said the youths were not terrorists.
"These boys are the cricketers, the Manchester United fans. Fish and chips is their favourite food," said Khan, 48.
Relatives claimed the three Crawley youths had drawn the attention of the intelligence services. Ansar Khan and another relative said the family bought tickets to Pakistan for two of the suspects after an agent of the MI5 intelligence agency suggested they should leave the country for a year.
"He said if they would be willing to leave, it would make (the security services') life easier," Khan said.
Security sources dismissed the claims. The government had no official comment.
Others in Crawley, a workaday modern town 50kms south of London, uniformly described the arrested men as quiet, polite and unremarkable.
Today police stood guard outside several modern red-brick houses with tiny, tidy lawns in Crawley's Langley Green area. In one, forensic experts in blue coveralls worked gathering evidence.
The three suspects "came in here three or four times", said Jafar Nazir, 34, co-owner of a local Internet cafe whose computers were seized by police yesterday. "They'd just come in, browse the Internet for 20 or 30 minutes, and go.
"They were just normal kids. I don't know what they got up to."
Worshippers said the Crawley Islamic Centre, a small brick mosque near the suspects' homes, was not a site of radical preaching. A representative of the mosque, who refused to be named, said it worked closely with police to combat extremism.
National Muslim leaders appealed today for vigilance against terrorism. In a letter to 1000 British mosques, the Muslim Council of Britain admonished that "Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents, let alone indulging in violence which can cause death and mayhem".
"We are urging vigilance and also urging Muslims if they have any suspicions or evidence of criminal activity or wrongdoing taking place then that the information should be given to the police," said Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the group.
It is not "he" but "they" who should be arrested and deported to the Moslem country of their choice. This is "state" terrorism. Moslems belong to the International "Nation of Islam." Moslems all read the same instruction book on terrorism...the Koran.
The Koran is a 1400-year-old text book on mass warfare and psychological brain washing and obfuscation. Islam is not a religion, it is cult of warfare, women-hating, and homocide. One has to understand, these are not "individual crimes" but mass warfare against "soft targets." All Moslems read the same text on Jihadism on many levels. This is sophisticated warfare at its best. The CIA and the KGB were not this good in their zenith.
The use of Allah has excused the Moslems as a legitamet religious organization. If "Allah" was not mentioned, the mass public would be up in arms and deporting and jailing all members of this "mafia-like" organization...instead of being in denial. All of them should be deported at once as supporters and financiers of this virulent world-wide organization, who openly state that it has "world-wide domination" as its goal.
I regect he comments of Judy. They are completely untrue.
Those Muslims in Britian have not committed a crime.
The Quran is word of Allah, who enjoys justice on us, it is most certainly not a book on terrorism.
And when have Muslims ever declared that World-wide domination is out goal?
"Oh ye that believe shun suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful."
[Quran (49:13)]
There is no warrant in Islam for the killing of innocent people, but here you see that we are instructed to shun this suspicion altogether.
These Muslims are innocent until shown otherwise.
My dear "Basil":
You wrote "Those Muslims in Britian have not committed a crime" and then later "These Muslims are innocent until shown otherwise."
The principle of innocent until proven guilty is an established point of law, but it is not identical to saying they have committed no crime. We can hope the truth will out in their trial.
"The Quran is word of Allah, who enjoys justice on us, it is most certainly not a book on terrorism."
Unfortunately, however, terrorists quote Qur'an copiously to justify what they're doing. If you met one, what would you tell him to convince him that what he was doing was wrong?
"And when have Muslims ever declared that World-wide domination is out goal?"
Many times. Not only prominent radical theorists of the modern age like Sayyid Qutb and Abdullah Azzam have done this, but also revered figures of Islamic history such as Ibn Khaldun.
Best regards
Robert Spencer