(KATU photos)
This story from Houston's ABC affiliate has Brandon Mayfield's wife praying for his release, but doesn't mention to whom she is praying: Mayfield, an American lawyer who represented jihadist Jeffrey Battle and has now been arrested on suspicion of a connection to the Madrid bombing, is a convert to Islam.
Is it possible that he, like John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid, and so many other Western converts, somehow missed the Qur'an's teachings of peace we keep hearing so much about?
"My husband is a good man. He is a good father and he is a good husband," said Mayfield's wife, Mona Mayfield. "I am upset that this has leaked out. There have been no charges against my husband, and we pray for his early release."Mayfield also worked as an assistant to the defense of Jeffrey Battle back in 2002. Battle was convicted of helping al Qaida, and sentenced to 18 months in prison. It's not clear yet if that has any connection to Mayfield's arrest.
And in a story from Portland's KATU, we learn that Mayfield could not have done anything so heinous as to help the Madrid bombers. Why? Well, because he is a devout Muslim and goes to mosque. He would never have had anything to do with those Madrid bombers, who were ... devout Muslims who went to mosque.
And of course there are the standard protestations of innocence, discrimination, and official mishandling of the case, which appear whenever a Muslim is arrested on suspicion of terrorist activity.
"His wife was in tears because of the way the search was conducted. The FBI apparently hurt things in the house, left things in disarray," Nelson told reporters outside Mayfield's home. "He is a regular run-of-the-mill guy."Nelson also said Mayfield had never traveled to Spain.
Mayfield's mother, AvNell Mayfield, told a Kansas newspaper said her son had not traveled outside of the U.S. since he visited his wife's family 10 years ago.
"He is not a militant person," she said. "He is very law-abiding, very quiet. He is a devout Muslim and goes to mosque. This is an outrage."
Neighbors tell KATU News that Brandon Mayfield and his wife have lived in the home for about a year and a half and are a friendly family.
Fox news TV at 7:40am just gave a news update containing the Mayfield story without mentioning hs is Muslim. They described him as an American citizen. To give this story without mentioning he is a Muslim is biased journalism. I was a newspaper reporter for a while. I might well have done a short report without mentioning it, but I was a guilt-ridden liberal at the time, and I would have known in my heart I was wrong.
Fox News released this story last night after On The Record or thereabouts. They mentioned then that he was a Muslim convert.
But Luigi, you're right, the report this morning left that fact out......Oh well, too late....Jihad Watch has his number.......And now so do we.......We'll see how devout he is while he's interrogated.
His wife's comments are amusing at best. Like the sad mother who just watched her psychotic axe murderer son go off to prison crying "But he's such a good boy" LOL
He never left the country. Which means he could not Possibly have aided people elsewhere with his activities? Maybe they (his wife, the neighbors, his fellow worshippers in the mosque (where his wife probably Never was permitted to sit next to him, can anyone verify that would be the case?), the reporters) never heard of the Internet.
The fact that he is a Muslim convert is relevant to the story.
When there is a bombing of an abortion clinic, the media has no problem identifying the person as a "fundamentalist Christian" or some other such moniker.
jihan
We are now sitting on the edge of a grand infection. A Fascist like, Nazi inspired germ, which has no boarders, no defined territory. It is spreading, infecting society like a rampant cancer. Unlike most disease, your immune system has no defense. It attacks civilizations; your morality cannot stand in its way. Ten thousand years of human advancement, learning and progress will not stop it. It is a death machine with only one purpose, to kill or enslave humanity.
We have had to battle with it before. The Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Holocaust and ethnic cleansing. But this time the body is weak. Self-interest and greed has clouded our thinking. Radical Islam is our enemy. And your survival depends on understanding this.
All free nations must arise, shake the salt out of your eyes and stop pretending that tomorrow will be a better day. Evil is real, history has proven that. Eradication of a disease is a simple process; kill it. It’s really basic science.
That's right, Mrs. Mayfield.
Quiet, law-abiding, devout, blah blah blah.
Just like the Khadr family.
Just like John Walker Lindh.
Ad infinitum.
Do you honestly think a fifth column would openly reveal itself and its actions to the world? Or would it hide behind a touchy-feely sentiment to exploit the sympathies of an ignorant populace?
My mistake....I heard it last night but not this morning.......being half asleep may have had something to do with it......So he's been Muslim for 15 years. Plenty of time to hate and plot.
We may be getting more information out of him than we initially hoped for.....
Yikes and double yikes. This does not fit the immediate profile of some whacked-out, rich spoiled kid who embraced Islam because it gave him the discipline and purpose he never saw at home. This guy still has a non-Islamic name and probably was able to fly literally under the radar all around this country and the world for that matter. How many more of these potential people are right now secretly plotting attacks against us. I hope there is a reasonable explanation to this. Otherwise, this might be the most troubling news we have heard this year!
Quote~Nelson also said Mayfield had never traveled to Spain.
Mayfield's mother, AvNell Mayfield, told a Kansas newspaper said her son had not traveled outside of the U.S. since he visited his wife's family 10 years ago.
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And Spain was This past March. Did he help them set up the bombing 10 years ago, the Last time he left the country? No. He did his work here. And part or even Much of it was via internet.
Sorry if I seem a bit aggravated. Mayhaps I am not as eloquent as some but I sure as Hell do not argue anything in favor of these terrorist bastards and I don't appreciate being interpreted as such.
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Rant over.
There are many ways to promote the Jihad. You can buy ammonium nitrate. You can put people up. You can build mosques all over the world, or madrasas. And you can, if you are an American diplomat or CIA agent, for decades hide the truth about Islam -- reporting back to those to whom you owe a duty of truthful instruction, that there is "no problem" here, that this country (say, Saudi Arabia) remains a "staunch ally," and that, in any case, "as always our favoring of Israel is the only obstacle to better relations." Not a word about the inculcated hatred in the schoolbooks of Muslim Manicheaism, Al walaa wal baraa -- the Muslim Good, and to be Loved, the non-Muslim Bad, and to be Hated; not a word about the sermons (khutbas) in every mosque.
And who are these people who so misled the American government, and have caused such things as the 200-billion-dollar-misunderstanding in Iraq, where, not knowing much about Islam, we actually believed that if we constructed roads and bridges, expanded electricity grids, provided 4.5 people with potable water who had never had it, built schools and hospitals and handed out soccer balls and cash like Tammany-hall hangers-on handing out walking-around money -- they are the very same people who have dared to sign a letter denouncing the Middle East policy of the current administration, and to yet again repeat the canard, the idiotic idea, that "but for" Israel we would have no problem with Islam. In other words, they do not explain the imposition of shari'a in northern Nigeria, the Jihad in the southern Sudan, the Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, the murders of Christians and the destruction in 2003 of 2,300 churches in Indonesia alone, nor the Madrid bombings, nor anything else. They are doing the bidding, as they have for decades, of their Arab paymasters -- and there are plenty of ways to receive Arab money indirectly, through noble-sounding institutions, you know the type -- "Center for Our National Interest" (Eugene Bird's little operation, or his wife's equally transparent undertaking involving "women of three faiths" touring America annually, all to denounce Israel), or the "Middle East Institute," and such like.
And some special investigation ought to be reserved for the career of the CIA station chief in JIddah, one Raymond Close. He was there, he was our man, he was the one we counted on, to tell us the truth about what was happening in Saudi Arabia from 1970 to 1977. Thiis was at the time of momentous events, including the rise of OPEC, the quadrupling of oil prices, and the almost immediate "recycling of petrodollars" through the heedless plan to sell hundreds of billions of dollars in advanced weaponry. Close did not explain that Saudi Arabia was not our friend, and could not be trusted. He did not explain that the tenets of Islam, as reflected in every khutba and every sermon, call for suppressing, fighting, killing the Infidel, subjugating his lands. He did nothing, nothing at all, to do what he had a solemn obligation to do. No, instead he quit the CIA in order to go into business with -- Saudis. What would one say about a CIA station chief in Moscow from 1946 to 1952, who never said a word about the aggressive intentions of Stalin and the Red Army in Eastern Europe, and who kept assuring us that that "Red Army" would soon pull back, and that there was nothing to worry about, and all we had to do was to behave a little less beastly toward the Russians who, after all, "had suffered so much in the war that they were traumatized, etc. etc." And if such a person then quit his job, and took one with the Soviet trading corporation, vneshintorg -- well, what would one say? What would we call such a person?
The 9/11 commission itself, or perhaps another investigative body (headed, perhaps, by Rudy Giuliani) should look into Raymond Close, and even expose to public scrutiny whatever he sent back by way of "keeping the American government informed" about Saudi Arabia from 1970 to 1977. It should make public how we were so mislead. And it should not stop with Raymond Close. There was also at the time James Akins, as our Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. There were others -- you can go down the list, one by one. Find out about their sources of income, since they all retired. What front organizations, anti-Israel and "pro-Arab," misleading us about the nature of Islam, and seriously undercutting our own efforts at understanding the full nature of the threat it poses to us, to western Europe, to the Christians of Africa and Asia -- have they formed, or been part of? Have they gone on the lecture circuit, and possibly received fat fees from certain Arab governments or groups or corporations wishing to do business in Arab countries? Examine everything, every dollar, that the likes of Raymond Close, Andrew Kilgore, Eugene Bird, James Akins have recieved over the past several decades, and then compare that with what useful or worthless or deceptive information they have been providing about Islam, and the real source of our problem in the Muslim Middle East -- the same problem that Infidels have far from the Middle East, in Nigeria and the Philippines, in Pakistan and Indonesia, in Madrid and the thetare in Moscow, and of course, in Lackawanna and Dearborn and Portland, Oregon, where the Muslim Mr. Mayfield has now, almost miraculously, been linked to the threat.
Who will take on, what journalists, what Congressional committee -- the biggest investigation of all? Not whether the Clinton Administraton or the Bush Administration was sufficiently alerted about Al Qaeda, but how, over many decades, systematically, a series of men in the State Department and the CIA, misinformed the American government about the nature of Islam, the real attitudes in Saudi and other Arab societies that go far beyond Israel (which is hated as an Infidel sovereignty in the midst of dar al-Islam -- one example of Muslim hostility, but not the source of that hostility).
Mayfield looks, at this point, to be both a weak-minded fool, and a traitor. They often go together. But there are those who sound so high-minded, who still presume to issue their pronouncements on policy, when they are nothing but the islamisant equivalent of Aldrich Ames. Look into their finances, very carefully, ever since they left the CIA or the State Department, and the mother of all scandals will be clear. And it has had consquences for our country just as damaging as has the French inattention to Muslim migration. Despite the damage they have done, they have still managed to go unexamined, unpunished, unrevealed as what they are -- either fools, or traitors, or both.
Is some of that stuff above copied from Saif Al-Adel essay on the lessons of the battle for tora bora. I think I saw it posted on intel center or memri pretty interesting actually. Not sure if it was fake but it seemed to be pretty accurate in explaining how alqaeda was able to slip out of the mountain region.
Nate~Not a prob :) *sends you some cinnamon-hazelnut mocha*
I wish I could find more references to Canada in this writing. I could swear this country had been made a target by bin Laden since the Gulf War. People in Canada sure as heck need a wake-up call, even some of the leadership seems to think they won't get hit. If it is ok, the link is Here:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1083927524140_109/?hub=TopStories
You know, for Allah being the almighty, he sure isn't being much help to these idiots being arrested, no is he?
Now
Gary:
Why no references re. Canada? Likely, because the current federal Liberal is in total denial over the threat to the country posed by radicalized islam. For example, the CSIS Director today (07.05.04) was quoted that Al Quaeda will liklely attack Canada. An SBO, right?
Well, Ann McClelland, the all-purpose idiot Minister of Public Security (LOL!), immediately issued a press release countering this. "Canada is safe, don't be alarmed, blah, blah, blah...
And this was the same government that Tom Ridge had to bludgeon into introducing the anti-terrorism legislation after 9/11. Heaven knows, we don't want to offend the multi-culti crowd, do we?
Northwest Cable News (I'm in WA, USA) which plays in WA, OR, and ID, have played the story over and over (like they do everything), always stating he converted to Islam 15 yrs ago and aided the court case against the Islamic Portland 7. In a quick interview with his wife, when asked why they converted, (Sorry, I don't have the exact quote in front of me), says something about- 'not being able to find anything else (faithwise) that really laid down a quide to living, and well, since the words in the Koran are all God's words, then it gives her comfort and peace to have the rules for life right there.'
It would appear to me that the personalities that gravitate toward Islam (or any really strict code of spiritual law, such as the fundamentalist, plural marriage moromons (what many here call Taliban West) but not to be confused with the regular Mormons (who denounce them), have a thing about not wanting to think anything through for themselves, just have it handed to them, and want to feel that they are part of the superior, in-crowd (which looks like they have a problem with personal utter lack of self-worth). As with any "cult", I am always very interested in what makes people turn to these. Any other ideas?
Tarek~ Yahweh is Hebreh for Allah? It's been a good 10 years since I read the Koran, could you point out the line in the Koran that mentions this connection?
sorry this is off-topic but Tarek has me curious.
yahweh,allah,god all mean the same thing correct?
To: #spnh, zionistno1, zdzdbzd, hjklhhjh
You fool, we know you are a Muslim poster. None of your idiotic rantings affect those of us who know better (most visitors to this site). We laugh at you, you pathetic Muslim girlie-men!
Star Tarek, You are out there......If I were to say Mohammed (sboh), would that align me with being of Muslim descent?
Ummmmm...no, it wouldn't....If I were born Muslim I'd have converted out of that cult at the earliest chance. What does Islam do that reflects them in a positive light? How many wars being waged right now in the world DO NOT involve Muslims?
I await your answers with great eagerness.
To Tarek
A black stone in mecca,
a black hole in the heart
of mankind
where those who hate
and murder and lie
and cheat circle
like vultures on high,
and wait for the call
to kill the Free.
The evil eye sees all.
Dear Tarek: I hate to correct you (not really), but I went to Webster's Dictionary and located the following:
Dictionary
Yah·weh [ y wày ] or Yah·veh [ y vày ] or Jah·veh [ y vày ] or Jah·weh [ y vày ]
noun
Hebrew name of God: a name of God, expanded from the four letters, YHWH (Tetragrammaton), that form the proper name of God in Hebrew
[Late 19th century. From Hebrew.]
Sorry, but unless I'm going blind, I don't see Allah's name anywhere in this information.
Hugh Got that right but lets put our money to better use, and build more Moab's that is what willl help us win as it did in the cold war. You have to fight with weapons not Paper. You that can write it is your duty to Inform, and you here on this sight are doing a great, but let us put our money where it will get resluts in Moab's is a good start. It was not with senate invesgation that won WW2 it was bombs .
catherine your love for killing is so against the teachings of your christ its insane...
but come on answer me doesnt god,allah,yahweh all mean the same thing?
He's a devout muslim? Then release that man this very instant!
Catherine:
You go, girl! Few understand what this war will really mean ...
Joseph, Our God is not stricken with a dual personality. Muslims say that they, Christians, and Jews worship the same God....Abraham. However, I know for sure that my God is a peaceful God, not a war God the likes of Islam's version, Allah.
After all I've learned of Islam over the last few years, and everything I see basically on a daily basis, I cannot give it the credit of calling it a religion. I consider Islam a violent cult, and until they prove otherwise, that's the way it'll stay.
Actually, it's insulting to know that a village idiot like Mohammed (sboh) was even permitted to run loose, let alone make himself out to be some sort of prophet. Now, we have a menace to kill, a plaque to vaccinate, a fungus to disintegrate.
This isn't ethnic cleansing, this is survival from a form of humanity (questionable) that we refuse appease, or to let dominate us. Islam will reform, or Islam will die. Those are Islam's two options.
They've stepped on us, and questioned our fortitude, which will result in their end.
Joseph
When you realize that god,allah,and yahweh do not mean the same thing you will be free of
conditioned programming. Start thinking with a critical eye and ear.
Are apples, oranges and pears all the same because they are fruits?
Well, Osama Bin Laden has never traveled to the US and I don't believe Saddam H has ever been here either.
That doesnt mean that he's not part of the bigger picture.
Well I believe in the old testment and an eye for an eye. Trust me Americans belive in killing look at our grand-fathers ww2 we lost 400,000 in that war yes it was ugly, but we won and will do so again. You muslum's say you are a religion of peace well we look all over the world and see your Peace and don't want that. We love our mini skirts. My God gives Free will Is the Creator of the Day the Night and of all things and loves his people. This is why he saved the Jews from slavery and cursed the Egptians, He is not the Same as the Muslum's not the same If the Muslums want to live in Peace well we can handle that but you have to stop killing Christians ,Jews
actually i think alot of the major religions are in the decline partially due to the irrelevence to modern society and there complete at odds with scientific discoverys. its the only thing i can think of that can explain the huge spike in christian fundies acting more and more desperate in our society. same for islam
large sections of this planet are waking up to the true religion of man which is money
correction, i meant half a millinium
Actually its a full millenium
If you look at that wife of his, no wonder he converted to Islam.
Hey Tarek. Having been born, raised, and force-fed the so-called religion of Islam my whole life, I can state without a doubt that Islam is evil. There is no doubt about that. Hence, I'm no longer a Muslim fool.
Think about it.. From their churches, their preachers, during so-called religious services, spew venom and invective straight from the pulpit with the specific intent of whipping the faithful into a murderous frenzy so that they can hence go forth with a renewed hatred for all things non-Islamic.
Gee.. If you don't think Islam is Evil, well then you're either ignorant of the facts, intellectually dishonest, or mentally ill. I've been around enough Muslims to quite honestly say that I think most are just so blinded by hatred that, in my opinion, are indeed mentally ill (or at best quite unstable).
Tarek-Please refer to the post I left earlier regarding your thoughts about Yahweh.
Dictionary
Yah·weh [ y wày ] or Yah·veh [ y vày ] or Jah·veh [ y vày ] or Jah·weh [ y vày ]
noun
Hebrew name of God: a name of God, expanded from the four letters, YHWH (Tetragrammaton), that form the proper name of God in Hebrew.
No Allah please. I also asked you to name anything Islam does that would earn them a reflection in a positive light. I'm still waiting.
If you look at that wife of his, no wonder he converted to Islam.
Posted by bob at May 7, 2004 08:49 PM
I'd have opted for voluntary blinding or taken a vow to be celibate.
wow dc you are a lowlife... talking trash about how someones wife looks
I agree with DC. His wife's looks are relevant.
Why would anyone marry someone who looks like a dog and convert to Islam?
Answer: Sexual repression or outright impotence.
These freaks are dangerous and they should be watched very, very closely.
We are at war with Islam. Ask an Islamicist he'll tell you. Why can't we see the threat in front of our noses. How many more must die before we wake up?
Update:no longer "the paper of record",
but one source of news amongst many...
NYTimes.com > National
-Madrid (Spain)
-Terrorism
-Portland (Ore)
Arrest in Bombing Inquiry Was Rushed,
Officials Say
By SARAH KERSHAW and DAVID JOHNSTON
NY TIMES
Published: May 8, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/national/08ARRE.html?ex=1084593600&en=737a0688b54d4a14&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
Terek says:
"Islam is all about one god, call him yahweh, allah, or god. The name doesnt matter, as most Arabs dont call allah by that name e.g. in egypt its called rabbena. Yahweh is hebrew for allah, and there is no such thing as a jewish god, a christian god or a muslim god. There is one god. If you dont know, Islam does support the teachings of every prophet , unlike christianity, who dont admit to the prophet muhammed, and judaism, who dont admitt to muhammed or jesus. The problem arises due to the additions, omitions and the general changing of the bible and the torah by successive jews/christians. For example, i think there was no bible that has been recovered which is written in aramaic. Translation changes meaning, as i witnessed many times by the improper use of quranic verses."
This is classic Muslim claim about its superiority to Judaism and Christianity.
Problem is Terek is wrong:
The Islam god is not the same god as that of the Judeo Christian tradition. That god is not a personal god, ie: an avinu malkeinu, nor is he a personal god in the sense of someone you recieve in your heart as Christians do Jesus.
He is distant stone like image who only dictates laws for men to follow and to bow down to him like an idol. Islam is a form of idolatry.
The koran is not the same as bible and people in the bible like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus are very different from the similarly named people in the Koran.
Jesus does not dies on the cross in the koran and Ibrahim is not presented as a man of fear and trembling. He is just a passive recipient of a message. He is just another version of Mohammad.
The same with Moses.
The Koran is a weird book. Islam is a form of idolatry. The god allah is just another idol.
I have to agree with Michael here- Tarek Does at least try to present a better argument than the others who disagree with this site. Is that not (part of) what we want in order to get past this mess, a Dialogue?
Tarek, keep studying and keep posting here. You helped make this thread interesting.
Mike Hartrich
The Islamic religion is a religion that works for all times, and i have to state quite clearly that i do think that if it was applied like it was in the days of the prophet, well being and development is extremely likely to end up in the messed up middle east.
The strength about Islam is that it does actually tells the Muslim code of life. It tells them what to eat, what to say, how to control their emotion, what do they do when they have marital problems; it is complete. Jihad is not the normal for muslims; it is done only to either defend themselves or to help in the spreading of islam. As due to world wide freedom of religion, Islam is spreading through the world; i can say its the biggest religion in the world now. I want to mention malaysia as an example of the application of Islam; their application of Islam made no obstacle to their course of development, and it actually boosted it.
The problem with your view of Islam is that there are many translated versions of the quran which are misinterpreted or faulty translation alone which makes Islam look like its a religion for the barbaric, sexist, racist people. Islam cannot be reformed; it is the word of god.
Thank you for reading and i hope to see more open minded people on this site.
thanks
Tarek,
You must know me,
I am your sister, your mother,
your aunt, your cousin,
who can't leave the house
without my husband, brother,
son, cousin, uncle, father
and when I do I must cover
myself so I won't tempt another
male to commit a sin of the flesh.
You must know me,
I am the child bride
of my cousin, who cries
at the sight of my deformed baby
and wishes I could go back to school.
You must know me. I am less of you
by half in the courts. It's in the book.
You must know me. I am beaten and called a fool.
It's in the book. Look at me. You must know me.
Tarek:
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I can see how Islam with its teaching of right and wrong can be a very valuable help to people. All religions teach a code of behavior that tries to help people to live a 'good life'. The problem that I have with Islam relates to some of its core teachings.
1. The relationship of Dar-al_islam to the Dar-al-Harb. Islam must and will uiltimately become the one single true universal religion of the plane. One world, one people, one united nations, ONE CALIPHATE. This belief offends me because it is fundamentally imperialist and it makes all 'infidels' into second class 'dhimmis'. A reformed Islam needs to release this idea completely and accept the peaceful coexistence of all other religins. All people should be free to practice their religion according to the light of their conscience. No religion has the right to accord first or second rate status to anybody. What is your position on this?
2. Islam does not recognize a clear and distinct separation between Church and State. The envisioned 'Caliphate' is a theocracy. This idea goes against the very grain of the Constitution of the USA and our individual freedoms in the West. A theocracy sounds great to some people, but it creates a totalitarian system of submission to religious orthodoxy backed up by the armed power of the state. A reformed islam needs to affirm the absolute separation of church and state. What is your position on this?
3. Women are not equal in Islam. They do not have equal rights, responsibilites, or freedoms. A reformed islam needs to relinquish the 7th century tribal rules concerning the sexes. What is your position on this?
4. Yes, I deplore the moral degeneration that is blatantly on view in the West. The pure stupidity of the Jerry Springer show, Brittany Spears changing from wholesome mousketeer to media whore, she and Madonna lip-locking on TV, etc etc. It's bad, and it shows how many people in the West make poor use of their freedom. It's the sorry underside of human nature and islam is not immune to that. You have all those demons in your culture, it's just that they are buried under the rug. Here it's all out in the open. Just like the current prisoner abuse scandal. It is a big deal and we are all reminded of it on a daily basis by the media. The media loves this because it's scandalous and juicy and people want to watch these types of stories. But in what Arab/musl;im country would government abuses get this level of public disclosure? Which muslim country reacted in outrage to the murder of 25,000 citizens of the Syrian town of Hama by President Assad in the 1980's? Not much.
Islam in many minds equates with dogmatic, rigid, fascist and inclined towards apocalyptic terrorism among its followers. We in the West are facing our demons because they are on public display in the media every day. That does not make us immoral. It simply means that we need to individually learn to govern ourselves and to grow out of this cultural phase. Islam may see the solution in following its rigid theocratic orthodoxy, but a free-minded people will never accept anything less than individual freedom of conscience in these matters. Follow you religion if it makes you a better person. Let others follow theirs.
Mike H
Poetess:
great poems!
Mike H
Mike H
Sorry for not being able to reply. Expect an email from me
thanks
further Terak, God himself said, no flesh shall enter his kingdom, nor can man see God.
Muhammad saw nothing but the bright flashes his seizures caused.
But the best is muhammad not knowing that God and Christ are one, and he called him a gate keeper, LMAO
Didn't the Mulsums kill their own profeit the Grandson of Moho-mad I think there is the story that they put all his body parts in differant places ? Well to me sounds like those people were pissed off, and not like the laws that had been put to them.
Mike H
Still, if you dont like Islam, dont work with it. I have no problem. I just want to mention that many american people do like it, and join Islam by the thousands every year, although you mentioned are "free minded people". They sought truth in it. Scientists, which i can say represent the brains of the country, join Islam when they see things mentioned in the quran like emberiological development of the fetus, which many embriological scientists joined islam over.
You see Islam as dogmatic, i see islam as the truth. I am not here to convince you people to join Islam, all i am saying is that Muslims have the right to coexist with non muslims.
thanks
Dear Tarek,
"...join Islam when they see things mentioned in the quran like emberiological development of the fetus"
The account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur'an, ar-Razi and al-Quff is identical to that taught by Galen, writing in around AD 150 in Pergamum (Bergama in modern Turkey). Galen taught that the embryo developed in four stages as detailed on this site
Regards,
kc.
kc
I think that living in an arid desserted place like arabia did not give the Prophet access to the book. I must also tell you that the prophet and most of the people in mecca at the time were illiterate at their own languagem, let alone greek. The possibility of the prophet getting this book is nil.
thanks