Elderly Buddhist beheaded in Thailand's restive Muslim south

Most crazy people aren't allowed to play with sharp objects. How do all these Muslims get their paws on Knives, swords, and machetes?

"Sieng Patkaoe, 63, was attacked by men with machetes early Saturday as he tapped rubber trees on his plantation in the southern province of Narathiwat, district police said.
Sieng's severed head was left along a village road. His body, found some 60 metres (yards) away, had a note pinned to it threatening more killings, police said."

Aliya, Mahmoud; care to comment??

Just another sign that this People do not care who they kill. This is just what they do. Its time to take this fight to EVERY COUNTRY WHO SUPPORTS THESE ACTIONS AND ALLOWS THESe BASTARDS TO LIVE IN THERE COUNTRY. the time has come and its a fight ive prepared myself for. I hope you have too. JEREMIAH 20:12

Hey, he wasn't muslim. Therefore he wasn't an innocent.

And I am reminded: it is the weekend. Aside from prayer 5 times a day, is there Any day of the week that is especially set aside in muslim faith?

Surely That question can be answered by our muslim posters here. It has been 10 years since I read the Koran so my memory is not clear on that.

Additional: when Ramadan comes next, will Mahmoud et al disappear for the whole month? Is there any prohibition against trafficking with us 'infidels' suring that period?

Their holy day is Friday.

http://www.islam.org.au
http://www.islam.org.au/articles/14/AZZAM.HTM

Look at this hate filled website.

Is .au for Australia ? Is this freedom
of speech or freedom for spreading hatred ?
Why try to be more liberal than what you can afford to be ?
Eventually, a disproportionate backlash will
affect even innocent immigrants.

Why do australians allow such websites (if .au is indeed for australia) ? They should ban such
websites and then I dont mind tolerating their
'aye' instead of 'a'.

There must be Muslims out there that are sick and tired of these extremists giving Islam a bad name.

Why aren't any Muslims jumping in to condemn acts like the beheading of this elderly Buddhist?

I used to think that the problem was with a radical minority, but the continued silence speaks volumes!

BILL
because they all like to see things like that. They think that one more infedel is dead. that is what they do. They are dumb Dirty bastards and will cut yours or my head off in a heart beat. thats what they do thats what mohammad (the devil) has taught them to do.
FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY THE USA.

"If innocent Malayu (the predominant ethnic group in the Muslim south) continue to be arrested, we will murder more Buddhists."

Just who is the agressor here? Who is acting in defense of the innocent? Are there to be no consequences for unjustly oppressing the innocent Muslims who form the majority of the population? Is this your Western "democracy"?

Allahu akbar

Reza, Just another situation where your so called brothers and sisters MURDERED AN ELDERLY PEACEFUL MAN WHO WAS MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS. Why because they were pissed of at something that had nothing to do with him but figured its time to kill an INFEDEL. dumb bastards. REZA HERE IS A PRAYER OUT OF MY BIBLE THAT I SAY EVERY SINGLE DAY, O LORD ALMIGHTY YOU WHO EXAMINE THE RIGHTOUS AND PROBE THE HEART AND MIND, LET ME SEE YOUR VENGEANCE UPON THEM FOR TO YOU I HAVE COMMITTED MY CAUSE.
PRAISE JESUS THE ONE TRUE GOD

Reza -

You are a fool...plain and simple...you need to go try and convince other Muslims to accept all people and their beliefs, and learn to coexist..

otherwise, all of you will surely disappear...and that won't be God's will, or Allah's will...it will be the will all of the peaceful freedom loving people of this world.

Kirk

Kirk

Reza~ The old man was the aggressor, is that what you are claiming? What was he doing, assaulting trees that belong to Allah, ie the muslims in the area?

Lord God. And people at DemocraticUnderground think You are in the right. I can only hope the more thoughtful among those who frequent that site see the things you write, and Think.

"because they all like to see things like that"

I've come to exactly the same conclusion. Just look at Reza's response. Not one shred of remorse or guilt for Muslims decapitating an innocent old man.

Like others on this site have said, it's not what non-Muslins have said that have opened their eyes to the true evil of Islam as much as Muslims themselves.

I have even gone so far as to wonder whether Reza and others are really Muslim, or are instead hard-core western hawks cleverly rallying hatred against Muslims by blindly taking indefensible positions.

As I listen and learn more, I realize the Reza's of the world are all too real...

Mr. Carson:

I assure you that I, and the other 1.2 billion Muslims in this world, are real. I also assure you that, unlike the non-Muslim posters here, I have never issued rabid death threats or called for war and genocide. It is you who rejects the repeated pleas for peace. If you and your ilk continue to call for war, it will come. And we are assured by Almighty Allah (swt) just what the outcome of such a war will be.

Please reconsider your hatred before it destroys you.

Allahu akbar

Reza;
Would that be like the outcome of the 1967 war?

Just wondering.

Regards,
kc

KC, Gary
Thank you for the laughs.

In furtherance to an earlier post on this thread wherein the poster wonders aloud as to why these people do this kind of horrific stuff, the old story about the scorpion and the frog came to mind. I'm sure many of you have come across this tale but I'll post it for those who have not.

A scorpion was trying to figure out how it was going to get across a river when a frog came along. The scorpion asked the frog if the frog would let the scorpion ride on the frog's back whilst the frog swam the waters. The frog thought to himself that the scorpion wouldn't sting the frog because if the frog died then the scorpion would drown as well. The frog agreed.

Just about halfway across the river, the scorpion raised its tail and stung the frog with all its might. As the venom started to paralyze the frog and the frog knew he wasn't going to make it, the frog asked the scorpion why did it sting the frog when it will die as well.

Without any remorse whatsoever the scorpion replied: "That's what I do. It's my nature."

KC:

The "war" (broadly defined) has been going on for 1400 years. Individual battles may be won or lost, but the ultimate triumph of Islam has never been in doubt. All Muslims prefer that this process proceed peacefully. Muslims fight only in defense of Islam and in defense of brother Muslims. I defy you to find a single threat or advocacy of violence in my many postings here.

Allahu akbar

Allahu akbar

I can't imagine that this murder of an old man will help the muslim cause in Thailand. In fact I suspect the Thai government will use it (and quite rightly so) to crack down on muslims. It will hurt muslims the most.

"your grandchildren will be mall security guards"

Reza~ just please answer me One question: what did this old man do the muslims in his country? What was it they needed to kill him for to defend themselves? Is chopping an innocents' head off considered pieceful by muslims?

Thanks Reza for confirming that
the war has been going on
for 1400 hundred years.
So many europeans and americans
feel guilty,
as if they have somehow done
something to upset Islam and are
thus getting their just desserts.
You, of course, are correct.
Islam has been at war with
the rest of the planet for 1400
years and will continue until
it wins, or until it is destroyed,
extirpated.
When we fought fascism and communism,
we were able to kill the virus without
killing too many of the carriers.
I would like to think we could do
the same with the virus that you
carry, but i'm not sure that this will
prove possible.
We shall see.

Islam's head is Mecca. It needs to be decapitated.

Reza,
You're disingenuous at best, a miserable hypocrite at worst. The poor Muslims, boo-hoo! Everyone is picking on them, the Jews, the Christians, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the animists,the capitalists, the communists, the secular humanists. The truth is that Muslims can't live in peace any people different than themselves, they can't stand the idea that many people reject the tenets of their primitive, fascistic religion. Islam, 1400 years of violence directed at anyone who dissents.

Reza,

"Muslims fight only in defense of Islam and in defense of brother Muslims." Am I misquoting you? Am I quoting you out of context? Do your words require some kind of interpretation?

OK. What were the peace loving, tolerant Muslims defending themselves against when they killed the old man?

If they wish to attack whomever they hold "responsible", why don't they attack the government? Oh, wait. The government has guns.

Actually to be fair, the Muslims in southern Thailand are getting smarter. They finally learned what practically every 10 year old, and most eight year olds, in the US know: It is not very smart to bring a knife to a gunfight.

So instead, in a display of what nowadays seems to be typically Muslim courage, they hacked a defenseless, old man to death.

jay

Thank you smitty, thank you
dennisw.
Yes, yes, yes.

Once again we see the level of the racists exists among the self-appointed intellectuals of JW visitors. You people really must be ashame to procclaim any kind of satanic freedom and democracy to us.
All you want is the death and destruction for our Muslim brothers and sisters so you can impose your zionist christianity on innocent people. Shame on You. Almighty Allah(swt) is in our side and He will support us against opressors and ultimate peace of Allah will rule the world.

Reza doesn't need to make threats or to advocate violence, since the Koran does it for him. We can't blame him any more than we can blame a dog that's contracted rabies.

oh brave mudheads, how many of your useless gutless excuses for humanity did it take to kill one unarmed 63 year old man? so brave and fearless, did they wait until he put down his walking stick before they attacked him in case one of them might have got hurt? i am truly sick to the back teeth of these bastards and their self justifying garbage. how can you take over the world you clowns, when it takes a gang of you to kill one old man? every useless waste of space one of them needs to be treated as they are treating all other creeds and colours on the planet. fuck them all!

You are wrong Mahmoud.
As muslims are not a race,
those who oppose them
cannot be racists.
Mohammed, peace be to those
slaughtered on his direct orders,
was a thug and warlord.
You might as well follow
the teachings of Attila the
Hun or Stalin.

And here's Mahmoud, mindlessly accusing others of what only the Koran advocates - the forceful imposition of religious conformity. He knows very well that Muslims in Western societies are free to worship as they wish, and that Christianity is banned in Saudi Arabia, Copts are persecuted in Egypt, and Ba'hai are murdered in Iran if they refuse to convert. You won't see a clearer case of psychological projection anywhere. If people like Mahmoud weren't protected by the bogus flag of their 'religion', they'd be seen for what they really are - the mentally ill.

Mahmoud,

What on earth did your reply have to do with this topic?

I have some simple questions for you about THIS topic:

Do you think the murder of the old man justified?
If yes, why?
If not, do you condemn the actions of the killers?
If not, why not?

jay

Jay Stevens, don't bother. Do you visit your local psychiatric hospital and try to hold rational conversations with the inmates?

Mahmoud,

"...ultimate peace of Allah will rule the world."

Yes, the peace of the grave, no dissent, no freedom, no art, no science, no learning, no philosophy, no sons of pigs and monkeys. The triumph of nihilism; substitute "Nazism" for "Allah" and you get the idea.

The chances are that people like Reza and Mahmoud were subjected to such horrific abuse as children that they're incapable of making sense now. Such child abuse is well documented in Muslim societies, ie children dressed in bomb belts, female circumcision etc. One can only hope that Western medicine will eventually find a cure for such deep-rooted psychiatric problems, so that unfortunates such as these can lead some semblance of healthy, productive lives.

Infidel23,

I know. But hope springs eternal ...

jay

Reza and Mamoud
such brave toy boys
to clap and crow
when an innocent old man
is beheaded.
You sow evil seeds
and by these deeds
you shall be known
and punished,
chained to the great wheel
where you will feel
all the pain and misery
you seek for others.
I spit on you and your brothers.
Cowards who hide
behind women and children.

When you are grown
and real men
who can look me
in the eye,
will you will cry
in remorse?
so writes the poetess of the Free.

Mahmoud ?

racist? how can anyone be a racist towards a religion ? you can't be a racist towards a religion! its not a race!

and it seems that you are not against the killing of this innocent buddhist, you are saying we are against the islam, wonder why? look at what your so called ''brothers'' and ''sisters'''*inbreed?* are doing, they are killing everyone that isn't a muslim.

you are talking about freedom, what freedom? raping a 9 year old like your great mohammed did? killing buddhists? (the most peacefull people on earth), you have a sick and twisted versíon of the word ''peace''

btw, i am not a christian, not into any of that stuff, so shut up with your zionist christianity conspiracy crap talk.

you know what Mahmoud, i can better say it

You people really must be ashame to procclaim any kind of freedom and democracy to us.
All you want is the death and destruction off our planet earth so you can impose your islam on innocent people. Shame on You.

mahmoud said "Once again we see the level of the racists exists among the self-appointed intellectuals of JW visitors. You people really must be ashame to procclaim any kind of satanic freedom and democracy to us."

islam isn't a race, therefore people who criticize it are not racists. I would also point out the obvious, it is very difficult to determine the race of any one poster on here. We are talking about islam and its major flaws, not the racial features of its practitioners.

"Your grandchildren will be Buddhists"

they are sick, in the same way that hitlers brainwashed followers were sick. these are the truly inadequate of this world, pointless, useless lives trying to hide their inadequacy behind pseudo-religious fascist claptrap! the only god they have is in their own fevered imagination. i recommend reading orwell's 1984, the concept of doublethink must have been invented by them. how else can they mouth the mantra of the "religion of peace" one minute, and gloat over their latest act of butchery in the next ?

ultach said “i recommend reading orwell's 1984, the concept of doublethink must have been invented by them.”

I agree with you on this point. It seems the same paradoxical thinking that the National Socialists and various other extreme political ideologies (communism) used is serving the same purpose in islam. I wonder if that is because religion and politics were one and the same at the time of mohamed? Radical islam seems to attract the same type of people as these ideologies, disaffected youth, and underachievers. I would also point out that both the National Socialists and Soviet communists were great fans of conspiracy theories, just like radical islamists.

“Your grandchildren will be bar flys”

here is an interesting op-ed

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/stock_20040526.html

"Your grandchildren will be tour guides for Israelis in Mecca & Medina"

Reza wrote: "If you and your ilk continue to call for war, it will come. And we are assured by Almighty Allah (swt) just what the outcome of such a war will be.

Please reconsider your hatred before it destroys you."

It will not be Allah or our hatred that destroy us... it will be our self-imposed sense of fair play and respect for human dignity in the face of an enemy that values neither.

canuck - i disagree on the bar flys bit, that would only put the customers off, i like the tour-guides bit better ! the more i read the rantings from the ambassadors for peace the more i'm convinced that this really is national socialism all over again, the total contempt for all who don't share their ideology, the world domination fantasies, and the blind obedience to the teachings of the great leader. the nazis portrayed themselves as victims in their early stages, and constantly gabbled on and on about how all their woes were the fault of "the jews". this really is the same old shit re-branded as religion. how can the western left fall for this bollocks?

ultach- You are probably right about the barfly bit, I’ll try to be more careful in the future.

This type of irrational thinking that is common to both islam, and the various statist systems (National Socialism, Soviets, etc.) makes it impossible to run an efficient economy. (The impossibility of socialist economic calculation was written about by a man named Ludwig von Mises in the 1920’s, he predicted the fall/failure of the Soviet Union even then) This leads to a much lower standard of living and all the problems associated with that. Look at the economy of Iran, I think I read somewhere that it’s economy has shrunk at an average rate of %3 per year for more than a decade. That can’t be good for any of its citizens who want to live a decent life.

“Your grandchildren will work for pork producers in Ohio.”

Reza,
Explain to me...since "muslims fight only to defend brothers and Islam" how an old (nonviolent) man tapping trees on his own land was hurting your slack-jawed brothers and cowardly faith?
The world has already seen that it takes 5 masked men 40 seconds or more to kill a non-combatant...just how many masked young men does it take to kill a 63 year old, unarmed man?

Thank you Smitty, dyc, and all others here.
Remember, the people that Mahmoud and Reza are apologists for don't really want or expect dialog or conversation, they just want you dead.
All the rest is just window dressing. Cheap tattered lace on a poisonous prostitute.
Muslim bravery= killing unarmed old men.

Here is another example of islam’s love of conspiracy theories.

“…both Saudi leader Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdulaziz and Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said they are "95 percent sure" that "Zionists" are behind recent terrorist attacks inside Saudi Arabia. “

http://www.americandaily.com/item/5714

“Buy Canadian oilsands oil, guaranteed to be Jihad free!”

canuck - hope my comment was only taken as the constructive criticism i intended as i'm with you all the way. jobs involving pork products would be very fitting! how about we all have a pet pig and they can run a pig-walking service?, or grooming parlours? "now you do a good job on that pig you hear?, i want to see it shine when i come back". ridicule is a very powerful weapon against totalitarian buffoons. BTW who is this "ED" character they're always banging on about, and why do they keep asking him if he wants more ham?, you know, when they say "Mo' ham, ED?" whats that all about?

ultach said "BTW who is this "ED" character they're always banging on about, and why do they keep asking him if he wants more ham?, you know, when they say "Mo' ham, ED?" whats that all about?"

hehehe... good one ultach ... you are right, ridiculing those who hold extremist views is a very powerful weapon.

Here is a good example of a radical’s reaction to ridicule.

Female comedian outrages Muslim cleric

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127754/posts

http://www.despardes.com/Diaspora/apr04/shabana-rehman-news-apr30.htm

I condemn this wild killing, I am listening the story about Saudi Arabia and there are american, italian and christian arabic hostages, please My Lord forgive them because they don´t know what he made.
Islam is like nazism or communism a dictatorship and we have to fight with it, but I have afraid of these people, they´re mad.

FRANZE - don't be afraid, people all over the world are getting wise to these lunatics, yes, they are mad, and very dangerous. But all their ranting and puffed-up over confidence will not save their sorry asses.
Freedom of thought, of religious or any other REAL belief is a precious thing, and has always been threatened by mindless brainwashed thugs since time began. And despite all the bullshit and moral cowardice of so many of our excuses for leaders, people have always been prepared to fight for their freedom.
Don't be afraid of the thugs, be angry, be informed, be willing to learn what really is going on today, and tell other people about what you have learned. You have to stand up for what you know to be true, and you aren't alone.

It looks like muslims are TRYING very hard to turn everyone against them...the west, Christians, Jews, Hindus and now the Bhuddists...soon they will have the masses of the world against them...

Guess I will have to wait for the UN to condem this beheading....wait and wait and wait...and when it finally happens Koffi will be so insincere that I will have to laugh...lucky he got the peace prize because an oscar is out of the question.

Guys,
Why are you argueing with these two nincompoops?

We've all been to the zoo, and we've all been to Monkey Island, remember there are always 2 monkeys sitting off by themselves, just jabbering away to each other and picking the lice off one another, that's these 2.

And something to make you smile about,
28,000 nukes verses 3? 4?.
We all know the time will come, when some idiot over there decides to push things too far, it's going to happen, but when we light these babies up, it will end very fast and in a 100 or so years, that area of the world may make a nice resort.
We'll talk about how once upon a time in a far, far away land, there used to be people called Muslims, they were a very self destructive race, damn shame what happened to them, but, hey, we tried.
In the end, the only thing that could be done was to put them down like rabid dogs.
Go children, read your history books, there is a short paragraph about them.

Can anyone say, Mohmoud-Cabana Boy? Mohamed coladas? They come with a burka wrapped around them to keep them cold.

I know these next two items are off topic, but we here at this site recognise the problems we're facing in this country, others refuse to see it.

Sometimes, when I read the news, I just walk around, shaking my head in disgust. these two articles are examples why.

HAMTRAMCK IMMIGRANTS CREATE MESSY DEMOCRACY;
Todays broadcasts deepen rift.
www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0405/28/d01-166954.htm

This gives the history of this debate, its very interesting.

AND THIS :
ATLANTIC CITY SCHOOLS TO RECOGNIZE ISLAMIC HOLIDAYS
www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj-muslimholidays0528may28,0,7838157.story
I especially liked the last paragraph.

This Reza has to be an employee of Jihad Watch because he/she/it makes no sence at all and keeps normal people writing more to each thread. Does anyone really think Reza is real?

scotty

"If innocent Malayu (the predominant ethnic group in the Muslim south) continue to be arrested, we will murder more Buddhists."

Posted by: Reza at May 29, 2004 01:37 PM

What do you mean "we"? You spineless little cretin. You type like you're in with the rest of these pissants. Are you? Several times you've been asked for your location, yet there's never a response. "Reza@anonymous." Hide behind your monitor, little troll, you're hilarious.

You also used the term "murder".......So there's the admission we've been looking for. Reza, again I'll break it to you that your grandchildren, (provided you're able) will be deprogrammed, and become American Hip-Hop artists.

Kid Reza, Reza-cent, Run D.M. Reza, LudiReza.....or better yet, X-Cult...I can see it now.......Don't worry though, if you don't hack them with a machete, they may give you front row seats to their concerts........

Rezafool.......you should've been a comedian..

The Thais are not crippled by the diseases that affect the western countries.
They will have no problems with dealing with this act of horrific violence, unlike the west that now blames the beheading of nick berg on the CIA.
only when we fight them on their own terms will we instill fear and submission into the scum of Jihad.
Bring back the guillotine for these guys.

I assure you that I, and the other 1.2 billion Muslims in this world, are real. I also assure you that, unlike the non-Muslim posters here, I have never issued rabid death threats or called for war and genocide.

Posted by: Reza at May 29, 2004 02:21 PM

"If innocent Malayu (the predominant ethnic group in the Muslim south) continue to be arrested, we will murder more Buddhists."

Posted by: Reza at May 29, 2004 01:37 PM

Reza, were you lying at 2:21 PM today?, or were you lying at 1:37 PM today?

Wait a tick, what was I thinking?, Reza's a Muslim, so it's OK for him to lie, like his hero, Mohammed (sboh)..

Scotty,

I've suspected for awhile the Reza is not real... just a friendly helping to generate awareness and discussion. Someone that is truely arguing for a cause can't possibly represent it so poorly. My vote is fraud....

"only when we fight them on their own terms will we instill fear and submission into the scum of Jihad."

Reminds me of lessons from one of my favorite movies, "Apocalypse Now". It was true then, and it's true now. The west just has a hard time coming to terms with it.

Muslims need to learn tolerance for peoples of other religions. Stop killing people who believe a different way than you do!

Ofcourse Reza is not for terrorism but he surely does not consider jihad as terrorism. 'Moderate' muslims say that muslims only fight for self defense. But their standards on what is considered self defense are very different from those of other civilizations.

Muslims also have to stop forcing their beliefs upon others. Islam is not better than other religions. Not by a long shot.

Mr. Watson:

The sentence that you find threatening is a direct quotation from the posted article to which I was responding. It is so designated in my post by my use of quotation marks.

The point that I was making, which unsurprisingly was beyond your intellectual abilities to comprehend, was that the people being condemned for harming an "innocent" man were themselves responding to the oppression of innocent Muslims by the government of their country.

Perhaps things would be clearer to you if you actually read the posted articles rather than simply spewing your bile in the comments threads. I fear that given your demonstrated genetic shortcomings, your grandchildren will be Canadians.

Allahu akbar

Ah yes, another inning brought to you by the Religion of Pieces.....

Learn the Truth about Islam - http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam_myths.html

Religion of machetes strikes again. Of course it must be that the peaceful, buddhist thais are trying to turn the muslims into jews. yes, that makes sense. Muslims, please continue to attack old men who you perceive as a threat to your apparently very brittle religion.

yabba dabba akbar!

What great warriors these guys must have been. I can't imagine the kind of courage it must have taken for them to attack such a lethal enemy as a 63 year-old rubber plantation owner.

Mahmoud,
"All you want is the death and destruction for our Muslim brothers and sisters so you can impose your zionist christianity on innocent people."
You and Reza are the only ones trying to impose you crazy cult on the rest of the world. On previous post both you and Reza have stated that we should submit to your devil cult. But you are right about the death and destruction part, because you and your brothers and sisters have go to go.

Islam has been on this 14,000 year death trip. Well, OK, after 9/11 we will grant your wish in 14 years. Actually, if we got the green light we could do it in 14 months. Wait, one more attack on our soil and we'll do it in 14 weeks. Why wait? We have the capability of finishing you off in 14 days. Allah Akbar push the 14 red buttons! Your death is our command.

Mahmoud,

Four simple questions.
Still waiting ...

jay

OMG, What on earth do these Butchers want from peaceful Thailand?
See the Victims

Face it all. The Muslim man is an emasculated insecure being whose diminished sense of self-worth is validated only if they can portrary themselves as a victim of some wrongdoing. They fear and oppress women to validate their fragile egos and attempt to pass off immature sociopathic fantasies as part of their religion. Mohammad was a bitch and Islam is a farce. Too bad millions of Muslims ARE wrong.

Smitty,
mind if I quote your post if need be some day?
"Islam, 1400 years of violence directed at anyone who dissents."
Sounds as clear and true as it can be.

Yes Mahmoud, you wrote it right - the Almighty is IN your side, like a thorn in your side. It may or may not have been your Arabic thinking, but in English that's a different thing. Your "swt" keeps plaguing the Arabs, most of whom could be pretty nice people hadn't it been for Allah and his messenger- the real thorn in the side.

Is there anyone to bomb sites like http://www.islam.org.au
I wonder?

The point that I was making, which unsurprisingly was beyond your intellectual abilities to comprehend, was that the people being condemned for harming an "innocent" man were themselves responding to the oppression of innocent Muslims by the government of their country. Reza

It seems that Moslems from the simplest to the most pretentious "intellectual" see Moslem grievances anywhere and about anything as justification for murder. Apparently Christians, Buddhists, Bahai, Jews, Hindus, anamists etc. are not so justified no matter what Moslems inflict on them.

I guess it takes a very particular type of "intellectual" to ascribe to the two wrongs do make a right school of advanced philosophy. Presumably there are exceptions to the rule, as in say, it wouldn't cover a situation where an armenian gang beheaded a 63 year old turk because of the seizure of Armenian territory and genocide, or maybe a gang of sudanese animists doing likewise to their oppressors, no, i guess it wouldn't because it's a one way philosophy isn't it? And it really means that islamic fundamentalists can do whatever they like to whoever they like for whatever reason they say, doesn't it? And this philosophy or school of intellectual discourse has a name, it's called "hypocrisy'

"Individual battles may be won or lost, but the ultimate triumph of Islam has never been in doubt."
Posted by Reza at May 29, 2004 02:45 PM

No Reza, not so.
Your Allah clearly states that he'll be with you to give you victory in all battles;

The Qur'an 67;20;
"Who is he besides the Most Beneficent that can be an army to you to help you? The disbelievers are in nothing but delusion."
The Qur'an 9:14;
"Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people"

Well Reza, The true God doesn't lie.
So we can only ascertain that the true God didn't speak the above verses, as He didn't give you victory in the '48, '67 or '73 wars.

Infact lets look at the 1948 war of independance.

The Jews were a small fledgling nation.
Israel, which had virtually no heavy artillery, no tanks, no airplanes, had to defend itself against Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. That's 600,000 Jews against 45 million Arabs, while the United Nations did nothing.
And yet the Jews won.

There was indeed 'divine intervention', but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out which side that intervention was on.

Tally,
what is the web site you posted?
I couldn't tell what the name was.
Thanks

Reza(d'oh):

Are these the peaceful innocent Malayu people of the South defending themselves you refer to?

"BANGKOK : Thailand's Deputy Prime Minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh has warned against the government's plans to begin talks with Muslim separatists, saying it would only legitimise the underground group, blamed for much of the violence in Thailand's south.
...

The surge of violence in Thailand's South started on January 4 in Narathiwat province.

Nearly 20 schools were torched simultaneously by unknown arsonists.

And a group of armed men attacked an army weapons depot, killing four guards and getting away with some 400 automatic guns.

Since then, there have been daily attacks -- many fatal -- on government officials, teachers and even monks."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/southeastasia/view/86766/1/.html

guys, stop flaming Reza, I mean its really not worth the effort to make fun of some grad student's failed AI homework. It is very clear that whatever Reza is he does not pass the turning test.

And I should point out that there are 500 million arabs in the world sitting on 50% of the worlds oil, and maybe 6 million Jews. Yet we still manage to kick your sorry asses every time we fight.

Another fake beheading or killing,after seeing
the new information on the Nick Berg video,
I've solved the murder.
The exposure of the conspiracy pointed out
a white chair appearing in both Nick Berg's
video and Abu jail torture.The orange jumpsuit
was in both video's too,well just this week
I noticed my local Garbage collector wore a
Orange Jumpsuit,then I noticed my neighbour
had the exact "white-Lawnchair" from both video's.

I figured he was flown to a warehouse in
my area and the Garbageman and nieghbour were
in on this beheading.
The CIA and Bush Government want this issue
to go away,I discovered this when I called the
FBI head office and explained my proof.
Well just as I expected they dismissed me a
a nutbar and said the video's were real and
there was only one Orange jumpsuit ever made
on Earth and Nick Berg wore it.
My garbageman must have had a connection at
the Airport to intercept the casket and remove
Berg's orange suit.
Berg,Kennedy,Hoffa,Hitler,Barbara Olsen,and
the roswell aliens must be in a secret military
warehouse as part of the global plot to
rule the world.

islam is destroying itself from within, it has nothing but negative conotations attached,when you hear islam or muslim you think of terror, war and death...compare that to budhism and christianity and many of the other worlds religion which are trully religions of peace and co-existence even in their written form and how there believers behave the truth is right in front of your eyes... believe me islam is struggling to survive into the new millenium, it cant keep up with the pace of change and what the future has in store and they are aware of this which is why they are fighting change so hard..its over by time and progress, modernity will destroy it not war

I suppose that Muslims don't use forest products. Thus the old man was sinning against Islam, according to Reza. That seems to be the reason for everything. However, the response for the arrest of Muslims is beheading elderly Buddhists? How much sense does that make?

1.2billiob muslims in this world and still nothing to show the world ? no new discoveries, cures, inventions to help mankind, no scientific discoveries to help the earth, no social leaps no new theories, new maths,nothing absolutely nothing what a waste..just give them an ak47 thats all they know, funy they cant even build their own weapons or bullets even, what a useless rabble , cant they snap out of their own spirral down?

***

"If innocent Malayu (the predominant ethnic group in the Muslim south) continue to be arrested, we will murder more Buddhists."

Just who is the agressor here?

**Gosh, DumbA$$...kinda sounds like your camp! I doubt those 'innocent' Malayu were THAT innocent if they were arrested...probably for supporting those self-same brave murdering sons of dogs for some OTHER form of 'peacefull muslim prostletising'... y'know, like blowing people up and stuff.

Who is acting in defense of the innocent?

** Hopefully the world, when we get sick enough of your outrages to 86 the lot of you.

Are there to be no consequences for unjustly oppressing the innocent Muslims who form the majority of the population?

**Re-read earlier paragraph. Those consequences are NOT for marauding, slack-jawed, hate mongers whose idea of bravery and justice include ganging up on a man 40 years older than all of them to decide or implement!
Second query: If they are the dominant religion, are you implying that they can't get their excrement together enough to get fair laws passed? But seem to be able to murder old men just fine...

Is this your Western "democracy"?
Allahu akbar
Posted by Reza at May 29, 2004 01:37 PM

**Certainly not. In our democracy, people pass laws, we don't gang up to murder old men.

Once again we see the level of the racists exists among the self-appointed intellectuals of JW visitors.

**LOL, you fool. Islam is NOT a race! (More's the pity, then we might be able to whip up a retrovirus that kills only that genotype!)
And if anyone is guilty of eliteism, or theocism, it would your muslim butts.

You people really must be ashame to procclaim any kind of satanic freedom and democracy to us.

** Nope. We like to offer democracy and freedom...it just seems you boffins aren't capable of understanding it!

All you want is the death and destruction for our Muslim brothers and sisters

** Wrong again! I'd like to be able to have tea or coffee with others of varied views. Sure many others feel somewhat paralell...what we hope is to erase sorry bands of psychopaths that hide behind women, chidren and a religion, not ALWAYS in that order, but mostly so.

...so you can impose your zionist christianity on innocent people.

*** that would be your choice, or not. But we don't threaten to kill you if you leave either DA.

Shame on You. Almighty Allah(swt) is in our side and He will support us against opressors

***only one seems to be doing any oppessing lately is your camp, sunshine. Or what do pious, murdering muslims call raping, killing and terrorism?

.. and ultimate peace of Allah will rule the world.
Posted by Mahmoud at May 29, 2004 03:29 PM

**Hah! at the rate you lot are going, you'll be lucky to have people not spit at you when they hear your religion!

In the first place, it has not even been proven that Muslims did it. It is just speculation and jumping to conclusion.

Actually, the Malayu people of southern Thailand are Malays, which is "Melayu" in the alay language. As in Malaysia,the nation of the Malays, where they're muslims, with Chinese and Indians living under 1 roof. The thing is, the Malays are the poorest among the 3 races, and they accounts almost 60% of the Malaysian population. Why is that happening? It's simply because the Malays are stupid---a stupid race indeed, and their religion---ISLAM is the stupidest religion in the world! The malays used to be jealous of other races' achievements and caused riots in countries such as Malaysia in 1969 and in Indonesia, where there's heavy loss of life. Can't they just be hardworking as others and not just waiting for golds to fall from the sky??? They're indeed stupid people and stupid Muslims!!!