
Dominique de Villepin
Once again, these protestations of innocence might have a sounder ring of truth if they weren't trotted out every time a Muslim is suspected of terrorist activities. From The Independent, with thanks to Nicolei:
Controversy over the French government's crackdown on radical Islam deepened yesterday when Paris attempted to kick out another alleged extremist religious and political leader, the sixth in four months.The expulsion of Midhat Guler, a Turkish market trader who had lived in France for 28 years, was halted after he appealed for political asylum. The French government says he is the leader in France of an extremist Turkish sect called Kaplan, which is already banned in Turkey and Germany.
Actually Kaplan is the leader, of the Caliphate State group.
His son, Abdurrahman, said his father was a non-political small businessman and former car worker, who was not even an imam, or preacher, and had no connection with extremist movements. The family's lawyer, Maître Adrien Namigohar, said M. Guler, 45, was the victim of a witch-hunt and that no firm evidence had been presented against him.Doubts have been raised by moderate Islamic leaders and opposition politicians about the wisdom of highly publicised expulsions of alleged Islamic extremists by the new Interior Minister, Dominique de Villepin. There has been a stream of similar expulsions from France but most without fuss.
Two weeks ago, France ejected to Algeria Abdelkader Bouziane, the imam of a fundamentalist sect at Vénissieux, near Lyons, who had told a magazine the Koran approved of the beating of women. French courts have since ruled that M. Bouziane, who has two wives and 16 children, was expelled illegally. Moderate Islamic leaders said they detest M. Bouziane's teaching but disapprove of the publicity which surrounded his expulsion. Lhaj Thamy Breze, president of the union of Islamic organisations in France, accused M. de Villepin of adopting a "theatrical" approach which would increase fear of Islam in France.
Five imams have been kicked out of France since the start of this year, all with little fanfare until M. de Villepin became Interior Minister last month. A further 30 mosques are said to be under surveillance by the security services.
In a statement at the weekend, M. de Villepin said the government would continue its tough line with "people who call themselves imams and betray the Islamic message of peace" by preaching violence or encouraging terrorist activity. Such a policy was the in the best interests of moderate Muslims in France, as well as the country as a whole, he said.
M. Guler, who was arrested soon after M. de Villepin spoke on Saturday, lived in Courtry, east of Paris. The French internal security service, the Direction de la Surveillance du territoire, says he is also the leader in France of the radical, Islamist movement, Kaplan, which wants to impose a fundamentalist Islamic state in Turkey. Moderate Turkish leaders in France said they had complained for years that Kaplan was allowed to operate openly although he was banned in Turkey and Germany. They said the small mosque administered by M. Guler in the 11th arrondissement of Paris was the organisation's "shop window" in France.
French officials say that sermons preached at the mosque by visiting imams have included implied calls for violence against Americans, Jews and Christians.
The expulsions of foreign imams and religious leaders demonstrates that most imams in the 3,700,000-strong Muslim community in France are not French citizens. The governments says eight in 10 imams are foreign and that many cannot speak French.
M. Breze said that this figure was exaggerated. He said his organisation was quickly training imams "made in France", to ensure that French Islam was "no longer in thrall to foreigners".
What "Islamic message of peace"? What have these Europeans been smoking? And for that matter, what has George W. Bush been smoking with his Islam is a religion of peace crap? We are not doing ourselves any favours by pretending that Islam is a religion of peace or that it ever can be a religion of peace.
Islam is only a religion of peace once the entire world is Islamic - until that time - any non-islamic area/peoples are targets!
jihan
Islam has and never will be a religion of peace, for it has been shown that when lacking infidels to kick around, they make up reasons that other muslims aren't muslim enough, or turn to kick the dog, or other reasonable facsimile, such as their women and children. Islam has a blood lust at it's core. With Islam, it's a one way door into hell, and I'm sure there are many who'd like to get out, but the fear of repercussions gnaws at them.
The united states should take a good step toward doing the same thing; should moniter mosques; and should start playing hard ball instead of them getting away with all their hate sermons here in the united states. long live the pig.
A religion of peace! What a joke. How can anyone actually say that with a straight face. Islam is a major wellspring of evil & misery in the world. There are no moderate muslims - they are either secular because they have dared to objectively investigate & question this "religion" & have found it's myths & prejudices indefensible, or they are followers & believers with the goal of forcing every single human to become a muslim - or die. I will even take jihan's comment & go one better. Even if the entire world were muslim there still would not be peace. There would then be endless wars to determine who was the "better" muslim - & the race to hang out with 72 virgins would continue unabated.
Historically mosques have served multi-purposes -for commerce/business, religion, center of government, etc....so there is NO reason why any mosque should not be monitored as a mosque is not exclusively only a religious building.
Arms/weapons are stored there, the Friday sermons given by the imams are both religious and political speeches as Islam does not differ between the mosque (church) and state as the West has done/does (unless it is a mosque).
Since mosques are not used exclusively for religious purposes in the West, their tax exempt status should be revoked.
jihan
Europe proves that IMMIGRATION is The Big Enchilada. This article from the outstanding Center for Immigration Studies speculates on the effect of our doormat immigration policy on the Jews, who are to be the first American segment to really feel the heat:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back404.html
religion of peace? i think most people now know its all crap but dont wont to say it out loud for fear of being targeted as a racist etc etc
you are so right pro-orthodox we are all afraid of being labled as a racist, however one cannot read and hear of the muslim hate and killing without becomeing anti-muslim.