You gotta hand it to that 9/11 panel. Now they've uncovered -- get this -- evidence that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan aided Al-Qaeda! Sharp as tacks, these guys. You'd almost think they were reading Jihad Watch. From the LA Times, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
WASHINGTON — Pakistan and Saudi Arabia helped set the stage for the Sept. 11 attacks by cutting deals with the Taliban and Osama bin Laden that allowed his Al Qaeda terrorist network to flourish, according to several senior members of the Sept. 11 commission and U.S. counter-terrorism officials.The financial aid to the Taliban and other assistance by two of the most important allies of the United States in its war on terrorism date at least to 1996, and appear to have shielded them from Al Qaeda attacks within their own borders until long after the 2001 strikes, those commission members and officials said in interviews.
"cutting deals with the Taliban and Osama bin Laden that allowed his Al Qaeda terrorist network to flourish"
You mean that...appeasement doesn't work?!? Holy crap, what a shocker!
You fool of course Appeasement works
look at the achievements of Neville Chamberlain!
Err...hang on a minute.
What took them so long, anyway?
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/gross200406181018.asp
The BBC's very own Mideast foreign policy
The BBC: Sheikh Abdur-Rahman al-Sudais, from Saudi Arabia, who opened London's biggest mosque last Friday, is a respected leader who works for "community cohesion" and "building communities." Not mentioned on the BBC: In his own words: In the name of Allah, the Jews must be "annihilated." They are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world... the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs. "BBC World Service Radio refer to the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Sudan, the BBC took scrupulous care to avoid saying who the perpetrators were (they are Arab militias) and who the victims are (hundreds of thousands of Black Sudanese Africans - Muslims, Christians, and Animists). BBC Arabic-language service is far worse.
More and more I wonder why some of these men and women in Washington are elected to Congress. They get paid to know more than I do, and yet they evidently do not?
I think some people need to stop eating filet mignon 3x a week and instead, pick up a few books from the library.
Hey...for those of you who enjoy this site, read this article:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20030818-122334-1845r
Robert...are you part of the Stratfor think tank?
This is an analysis of the Al-Qaeda probable plan in Saudi. Sounds on the money to me.
I think you got this article backwards thier not sharp as tacks were as dumb as nails and not the jews but the muslims are the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the murderers of the prphets and the offspring of apes and pigs. And thats the truth in a nut-shell.
John Cole
Bad news to jump on Saudi Arabia too fast, considering the reason behind pointing fingers to that country! Remember: The goal of Al-Queda is to take over Saudi Arabia for THEMSELVES, but to do so, they must trick the US into helpiing them bring down the House of Saud! Treacherous plots? You bet!
now that the 9/11 commission -- doubled over in contradictions, self-dealing, and conflicts of interest -- and, by extension, the l.a. times have found reason to believe what has been widely known through commentators on fox news for the past year, watch for opportunistic sniping lefty opinion weavers to carp about how this proves iraq was really a bush blunder since we should have attacked saudi & pakistan. after the neocons endorse this view as sage, watch the erstwhile leftist warmongers abandon this loathesome position for the opposing viewpoint and settle into another year or two of easy street -- i.e. writing snarling op-ed pieces deriding responsible people as knaves while all the while collecting far-too-large paychecks for far-too-small brainwork. it is a business after all.
I`m sorry, but this just in from CNN this morning in regards Saudai Arabia to Al Quaida financing-- Did I miss read something, If so I ill stand corrected.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The panel investigating the September 11, 2001, attacks has "vindicated" Saudi Arabia by determining that neither its government nor senior officials financed al Qaeda, Saudi foreign policy adviser Adel al-Jubeir said.
A report by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, as the 9/11 panel is formally known, said there is "no evidence" the Saudis gave money to al Qaeda, which is blamed for the attacks.
"We are very pleased, because it vindicates what we have been saying all along," al-Jubeir told reporters Saturday. It is unfortunate that Congress had to spend millions of dollars in order to pursue outrageous charges."
Saudi officials had vehemently denied the 9/11 hijackers received any help from their government. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
Saudi-related parts of a classified report by a joint congressional inquiry into the attacks were deleted from a copy that was made public last July, raising many questions about what role -- if any -- Riyadh had in the attacks.
Nearly 30 deleted pages of the report have never been made public. The report was the result of a 10-month joint investigation by House and Senate intelligence committees looking into intelligence and security lapses leading to the attacks. The report was written after an investigation that included 5,000 interviews and a review of nearly 1 million documents.
But al-Jubeir said the more recent commission was an improvement on the House-Senate panel.
"Here we have an independent commission that is much more serious, that had much greater resources, much greater access to information saying categorically there was no Saudi government involvement or involvement by Saudi princes or Saudi government officials in the financing of Al Qaeda or the 9/11 hijackers," al-Jubeir said.
"I personally hope that some of the people who pushed these outrageous allegations and who had no qualms about maligning a country or individuals would be honest and honorable enough to perhaps stand up and retract some of the things they had said," he said.
this 9/11 commission are about as good at sleuthing as joe wilson. what about prince bandar's wife and the money sent to the hijackers? the conclusion in the newsstory posted by mackie is akin to exonerating ken lay or bernie ebbers or richard scrushy on the notion that company money was never co-mingled with personal money in the same account.
The campaign in Saudi Arabia against those who would attack the House of Al-Saud needs to be understood. That family has, in fact, appropriated hundreds of billions of dollars that might have gone to other people in the only country to be named after a family ("Saud's" Arabia or "Arabia of the al-Saud"). It is natural for the family to fight back. It is also natural for it to want Americans and other foreigners to stay; at least 40% of the country's population consists of foreigners who are the field hands and the house hands on the Saudi plantation. Americans and Western Europeans are the house hands; Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Thai, and others from Asia tend to be the field hands. The South Koreans tend to fall in between, as contractors. Saudi Arabia would collapse if all those foreigners left. So if Saudi contempt for those foreigners, including the Americans, is temporarily coupled with a desire to have them stay, one should understand it is purely out of panicky self-interest.
And no one should confuse the desire of corrupt regimes, threatened by those who consider them to have merited the designation "Infidel" (as in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Algeria), to fight back against these groups, and to oppose them, but only because, and only insofar, as they are threats to them.
The Saudis will not stop funding madrasas that churn out Jihadis in Pakistan -- as long as the threat there is only to Karzai, or to Musharraf (for what he may be worth -- he is janus-faced, of course, and Pakistan unstable and unstrustworthy). They will not cut off funding to the mosques around the world that they have built (80% of the mosques in the U.S. have their mortgages paid by Saudi money). They will not cut off the "benefits" that Saudis supply to terrorist groups whose major target is not Saudi Arabia but Infidel polities such as Israel (will Saudi money cease to flow to Hamas and Hezbollah)?
No, in a sense the non-Muslim world has no important stake in the Saudi political structure, because there is no sign that what Infidels require from Islam -- a stop to the inculcation of anti-Infidel hostility, a dropping of the insistence that through "combat and preaching" (as the North African Salafist movement has it) Islam must cover the globe, and the adoption of real, not feigned, respect for the full and equal rights of non-Muslims within the world of Islam, and an understanding of why non-Muslim countries, the countries of the dar al-Harb, can and should, given the 1350-year history of Islamic aggression against that same non-Muslim world, and the imposition of the status of dhimmitude on all non-Muslims, should treat with extreme wariness, and suspicion, those who subscribe to the belief-system known as Islam. And, of course, those same non-Muslim countries have every right, given the central tenets of Islam, to take sensible measures of self-defense, including a complete ban on the sale of major weaponry (that includes everything beyond jeeps and rifles) to Muslim countries, whatever their current regimes may promise (and may even mean), an end to Muslim migration to dar al-Harb, and other measures designed not as aggression, but purely as the most elementary means of self-defense.
But in order for clarity to prevail, there has to be a willingness to learn about the tenets and history of Islam, and not to be satisfied with dangerous bromides and platitudes that have flown so easily from Western leaders, the press, and many whose duty it is to understand the problem, and to frame it lucidly, so that the Western public, so distracted, so confused, so much in a state of denial (Western Europe may well succumb to a state of Eurabia, a state of dhimmitude that already is well underway, and that requires a denial of Europe's own history, culture, civilisation -- it is the most extraordinary inner submission, and completely unnecessary, in human history).
Is Western civilization merely a Renaissance rumor? Or is the product, over time, slow-baked, of so many thinkers and artists and statesmen who would not have lasted a minute under Islam? The traitors in Europe today are not seen as traitors; they are, in fact, in control of the EU. They are paid by European taxpayers. They help to lull their own peoples into glum submission, as if there is simply "nothing to be done" about demographic conquest from within, and in any case, the Europeans are told, on every occasion, that there is a natural affinity of interest between Europe and the Muslim Arab world (which is why, incidentally, they can nonetheless keep Turkey out of the EU, as a "Muslim" country, but do nothing, or little, to keep Muslim Arabs out of migrating to, and establishing separate communities within, the countries of the EU).
American eyes, and American efforts, should be less directed to the Middle East, where benign -- or malign -- neglect of the Muslim countries may help their own populations to begin to realize that Islam itself will need to be tamed, not for the sake of the Infidels, but for the wellbeing of the local populations. Instead, while there is still time, all efforts should be made to re-take Europe from the people who have betrayed it, to help Europeans themselves see that the "Euro-Arab Dialogue" was, and is, a monstrous mistake; to identify those who are either financially, or intellectually (or both) tied to the Arab Muslim world; to encourage the widespread dissemination of the testimony and books and articles by brave ex-Muslims, such as Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina and many, many Iranians in exile (including those who, seeking an alternative explanatory system for the universe, have become Communists, for Communism is in the MIddle Eastern context not full-fledged Stalinism but in fact, a kind of touching alternative, and secularist, belief-system in a part of the world where, it seems, one belief-system can only be replaced by another, not by the grandeur, and misery, of no belief-system at all.
We are basically making the best of what we have. We can't attack everyone at the same time. We need what ever we can get from these folks. We need Saudi right now for their oil. We cannot play into the Al-Qaeda's hands and cut them off. What we have to do is make them do the job they should have been doing all along by threatening to cut them off and leave them to their fates.
That means osama and friends take over. Osama and friends take over, we go to war again.
So..pressure, pressure, pressure and rebuild Iraq as fast as we can so our forces and resources are ready for the next big battle.
Rashidi Arabia?
In the West, Saudi Arabia is almost universally regarded as another "nation-state". The nation-state construct, however never arrived on the Arabian penninsula. Today's Saudi Arabia is a family with a flag. Imagine if George Smith had defeated the Rashid tribe instead of the house of Saud. It would be called Smith Arabia. The "government" of Saudi Arabia is the Saud family. By definition, all political matters in Saudi Arabia are family affairs.
The concept of nationhood is a mystery to the people living there. That is why the man on the street in Riyadh and Jeddah bristles when he is reminded that so many of the 9/11 hijackers were "Saudi". If you ask them about their own "nationality" they universally respond with their tribal affiliation.
Many people there honestly do not swallow the wahabbist doctrines whole, but they are stuck in a political economy that has not matured beyond the tribal stage so they don't know what to do. When Westerners interact with them as if they are members of another transtribal society, it just increases their anxiety and confusion.
Did the government of Saudi Arabia aid al-qaida? This is the wrong question. It should be, did any members of the Saudi tribe aid al-qaida? Well of course they did. Who doesn't know that? The wife of the Saudi "ambassador" himself is known to have contributed to jihadist causes.
To be fair, there are arab social constructs that don't exist in the West and would cause considerable confusion to Westerners. For example, what do you call the son of your cousin who marries your daughter if your cousin also married your cousin? What if you marry your brother's wife and your son then becomes a brother to your brother's son. Are they brothers or are they cousins? If they are cousins, can they marry their sisters, who would of course be their cousins, not their sisters, right?
Hugh,
Don't you understand, it's all done. Christianity is totally erased from EU constitution. The people of europe have chosen to live in peace with their brother Muslims.
And your vicious attempt to 'take-over' europe is a total laugh on that continent. They don't like savages of america and unless you deciede to invade France Or Germany again, there is no way for you to 'take-over' it. You are out of The Game in europe. All you can do is sit and cry like a baby about the european traitors!
What a Shame!
Now that we are done with europe, we will concentrate on america and you just can't do anything about it.
Mahmoud
When you lying, devil worshiping scum come to Arkansas we will know how to take care of you. We will place you in the pig farms and let you rot.
MY GRANDCHILDREN WILL NOT WORSHP THE DEVIL THE WAY YOURS DO!!!!
Re: Mahmoud
GO TO HELL, pig!
There seems to be contradiction between the LA times article referenced here on JIHAD WATCH and the CNN news article that I just eluded to in comments above.
Can anyone paste the whole text of the LA TIMES article in this comment section? I am unable to access the LA times.
Maybe there is more to the story that meets the eye here, but at this point there appears a contradiction . Or did CNN just accept what Saudi`s foreign policy advisor had to say? After all I can`t believe Al Jubeir would mislead the American people?
Mahmoud's in a fantasy world, as usual. The EU constitution needs to be ratified by all 25 member states before it comes into force, and this has almost no chance of happening, as shown by the huge support shown for Eurosceptic parties in the recent elections. The rot has well and truly set in to the dream of a European state, and the forthcoming referenda on the constitution will be the final nails in its coffin.
Mahmoud,
Your post comes off as desperate and frightened. The French ban on headscarfs is directly aimed at Muslims who resist assimilation into secular society.Please get a clue about the US and Europe.The US has a strong military presence in Europe and we are a lot more important there then Muslims who contribute nothing to European society.When it comes to security Europeans will look to the US just as they always have.
If Saudi Arabia is an ally and Pakistan is the key ally on the war on terror, who exactly is the enemy ?
test
The Saudis are in a pinch. They've been "busted". How convenient was it? They let this cross-eyed inbread leader of al Qaida run loose for all this time, unable to find him, then conveniently kill him as he's getting gas?
A few weeks back, Saudi "forces" have kidnappers surrounded, yet 75% of them manage to escape.
The best thing followers of Islam can do for themselves is to stop trying to insult our intelligence. All funding from Saudi Arabia into the United States that go to our universities should be stopped. These fat drunks with fan belts on their heads deserve the very worst.
I suppose we'll be heading back in there to protect our citizens and the oil fields soon enough. It's obvious that the lying Saudis aren't capable of doing it.
They should be squeezed until every last drop of wahabi pus is drained from their no good carcasses. And by the way, what kind of scumbag pig goes out to dump a body of someone whose head they just barbaricly sawed off without making sure they have enough gas in their car?
These have got to be the dumbest people on planet earth.
I see Mahmouth (twinkie) is poppin' off again. I also see that he continues to fail in telling the truth.
correction: inbred
And they expect us to believe that Iraq didn't? Was Saddam more virtuous than the perfidious princes of Saudi Arabia and the grudging generals of Pakistan? Somehow, I don't think so.
Until recently, the Saudi's official website fostered jihad as the means to establish a global caliphate. All Muslims around the world have a vested interest in this, and that is why none of them will stand against terrorism and why not one of them can be trusted to speak the truth or to lend support.
Mahmoud,
Great to hear from you again.
So surprised about your ascertion once again.
You know one thing, when ever you come online and post something, I usually laugh because all what you say is something you either copy from books or internet. You 've never experienced facts. You stay in America under freedom protection or iraq or wherever you may be and make all sort of ascertions.
which part in Europe has the christian law been implemented before and which country just removed theirs.
I guess you lack full knowledge or you dont even understand when you read or what you see, and needs to get some from the knowledgeable.
You see reading koran alone will never give you full knowledge, the best form of knowlegde comes from experience.
I have lived in so many places before even for your information I've studied in about 3 continents and even going to more continents to show you that I am not a Kid.
Is it in England or France that you've succeded in changing the constitution?
I guess the Brit will never allow you to remove the phrase "God almighty bless the Queen" from their national athem, while no coronation ceremony for the queen or king of England be held in a Mosque, and the Germans will never allow you to implement sharia of what soever kind.
Can you please tell me the country, the county, or the part of constitution that has changed because of large migration of the muslims to the so-called region.
Even in Nigeria where you said you've implemented sharia, well I have good news for you. YOur muslim brothers overthere do no longer trust their governors who were at the forefront of Sharia implementation. Can't you see that you are loosing?
You see one thing mahmoud, you need to get facts and watch some reality films before talking, dont just talk, think VERY VERY well before you talk.
You've got two ears and just one mouth(if they are still working) so that the rate at which you hear should be time two(2X) of what you say, but what I see is that you speak two times of what you hear.
Isn't that a repetition?