From today's hate mail

Robert the only thing I would say in opposition to this post is that you claim that 'the vast majority of muslims are moderate' and so forth..

I rather doubt by any means a Vast majority of muslims are moderate.....certainly many are but I am thinking it is more like a 50/50 split...

Poll after poll in the Islamic world tells us that a majority of Muslims support Hamas and consider Bin Ladin a great man and muslim....

If these are accurate, then we can sadly extrapolate that most muslims are far far far from being moderate in the least!!

Stay safe....

Thanks

My dear Albertanator,

That reference to the "vast majority of moderates" was an example of what folks generally call "sarcasm."

Cordially,
Robert Spencer

Robert,

I saw you on C-Span a few months back and recall a caller asking if you are Jewish. People seem to automaticly assume that anyone resisting the jihad (or exposing Islam) must be Jewish. Though as you point out all non-Muslims are victimized by jihad.

robert
instead of closing threads cant you block the troll? also how about an addition hatemailwatch.org, after all sometimes the emails can be kinda funny and everyone needs a laugh once in a while

lily
haven't you ever notice they always blame the Jews and anyone speaking out has to be a zionist which is codespeak for guess who [the Jews]. seems they learned some of their rants from their WW2 allies.

Jimmy,

The trolls come from AOL, and so they have different IP's every time they log on. I can only ban IP's, so it's useless to ban them. I am looking into other ways to solve this problem.

Thanks
Robert Spencer

And I stand with you Mr. Spencer!
Anyone who stands for freedom and equality would stand against jihadis and a theocratic state that would relegate one to second-class citizen based on what their religion is.
It's totalitarian, in case Mr. Atry didn't notice Islamic countries are not exactly a bastion of freedom and equality. (and never have been)
The Islamic state that claims to be the most moderate and modern, Turkey, just a couple of weeks ago passed a law saying that brides do not have to have a virginity test before marriage.
I mean c'mon!
This emailer is either uninformed, deluded or a totalitarian apologist.
I suggest to him that he read the news articles posted on this site, Mr. Spencer doesn't work for these various news organizations, as should be obvious. It's the truth of what is happening to many many human beings around the world because of radical Islam. Including modern day slavery, particularly in Sudan.
I wonder if Mr. Atry raises protest signs againt Bush, and if so, has he ever raised one against modern day chattel slavery?
I suggest this emailer study up on Jihad, dhimmitude, and what is happening around the world, and come back and debate these issues.
Oh btw I'm not Jewish either, I'm a Christian, and I don't get why so many who are pro-Palestinian think people who support states, including Israel, against Jihad are somehow Jewish. It's is true that they think that alot of times. It would be like saying that if I support the Thailand govt against the jihadis in southern Thailand I was somehow Buddhist. It makes no sense.
I mean do people who support India on Kashmir get called Hindus? lol It's rather silly when you think about it.

I'm converting to Wicca, or some other pagan religion. Want to know why? Because I don't want to be a "person of the book". I don't want to be a patronized, paternalised dhimmi. I want to be the very thing that muslims despise: some-one who is NOT one of the Abrahamic religions.
They will have to kill me, because I will not convert to Islam.

This brings up once again my question: does anyone know what religion Paul Johnson was? I find it very disturbing that the news is always damn sure to point out when a victim is Jewish, but they don't give specifics when an American is not.

Somehow this is all tied to a greater issue and I don't like it either way.

I can also relate to your pain, Robert. I recently had to wade through quite a bit of name-calling when I was taking part in a European forum. It's amazing how quickly people throw the kitchen sink at someone whenever a tough subject is even brought up.

I hate to say this, but it is this same denial that has dragged America into two world wars. Europeans above all others should finally have learned that lesson, but too many have their heads in the clouds as bad as the liberals right here in the States.

Dear Mr. Spencer,
I may not say so much because that's how the muslims are, there is one simple thing about them, they hate freedom.
I live among them and I know how they act.
I will advise that you ignore the fool(Frank Atry) and focus more on the issue facing the world. I guess he thought he's the only muslim who is the advocate for other muslims.
If you dont mind, give me his email and let me talk sense into his life maybe he will be wise.
Left for me I am used to such saying when you tell them the truth, they claim to be the only one with the monopoly of violence, but they have forgotten that there is no body who is a fool and will watch and look like a ram to be killed.
he should check this link if he wants to know what we are doing about their threat and violence in Nigeria.
http://www.thisdayonline.com/news/20040619news01.html
If he wants to fight or harm you I guess he should harm the muslim apostates first before the Jews and I can assure him that we have so many of them in Nigeria. Let the all muslim come to Nigeria first and they will see how sweet it is to stay in Prison.

Keep on with the good work and by his grace no evil shall come near you, neither shall any plague come near your dwelling in Jesus name (Amen).

The question about Jews is hilarious. Just find a Hindu and, if you can get him or her to discuss it, find out what living with Muslimsin India is like.

The invasion of the Indus valley by Muslims was one of the great holocausts of history. Durant called it one of the bloodiest episodes in human history. Muslims rode through the Indus Valley destroying as much as the pre-existing culture and slaughtering left and right.

Muslims couldn't abide living with non-Muslim in India so they got their own countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Now India, as poor as it is in some areas, get illegal immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh because India is so much more successful than either place.

Muslims have obtained a separate set of family laws and Muslims women get treat like crap. Hindus, Sikhs and the non-religious are thoroughly sick of Muslims constantly getting special rules and special attention.

So the idea that the only people who would oppose Islamism are Jewish is ridiculous.

I wonder if the day will ever come when our mainstream press wake up. If 9/11 didn't do it nothing will.

There is something in some people which allows them to become accustomed to the most outrageous evil if it has been around long enough. Many people prior to Reagan wanted to normalize relations with Soviet Russia, just treat Communism as just another alternative form of government. Reagan wouldn't buy that. If it weren't for Reagan, Communism would still control Eastern Europe.

Some people in the United States have learned to live with terrorism and just are willing to allow it to become some kind of twisted normal.

Well, let us pray for the safety of all the warriors against Islamism, the writers, scholars, speakers, public officials, law enforcement and our incredibly brave and skillful armed forces.

Warez4u,
Can't you see that you are MAD?
I GUESS YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR MEDICINE NOW!

Foehammer:

I remember hearing on the news when Mr. Johnson (RIP) was first kidnapped that the terrorists referred to him as "a Christian parasite." What denomination they did not say.

Warez4u,
I think you've shown the whole world how stupid and foolish you as a muslim is.
I guess you should think and think of the implication of this thing you are doing to Islam.
I am assuring you, it will only create more hatered from new people for your religion(Islam).

In the name of Allah,The Most Merciful.

I personaly don't care very much about the propoganda you put out. It is interesting to me that I wrote an entire book in the margins of your book onward muslim soldiers correcting many of the mistakes you made or refuting allegations. And i mean that i did this literaly:). Yes, you do go to the sources many times but then use sourcery on it.

However, this is not why i am writing. Instead i want to tackle the issue of jews and islam, and it will be brief. Muslims live from morroco to Afghanistan, in every muslim land other than the penninsula, And they have for centuries. throughout history they have sought the shelter of the shari'a and even today many could not dream of leaving their homelands. The jews concider their golden age to be that of muslim spain and in egypt where they fled with the muslims from the christian invaders.

To cut this short, my point is that there is no inherent hatred of jews in Islam, or any other peoples as a whole. What is now widely thought to be a naturaly hatred between jews and muslims is mostly a product of the last 150 years and the actions of the zionists, not jews. The difference being that the zionist beliefs as all know believes that they are the children of god and everyone else and everything in creation was made to be subjegated to them and they act out upon this belief...even taking a land in belief that it is their birth right though many came from russia, the chech republic, poland and germany.

I apologise for not being brief, though I had hoped to be, and i will now close saying that what islam calls for is NOT war or oppresion but justice and freedom for all. My email is there for any who wish to contend this and i thank you all for your time.

peace.

Muy apologies...type-o. I meant to say jews live from morroco to Afghanistan, in every muslim land other than the penninsula, And they have for centuries.

As if that was the only one:).

To the LAME spammer, you might as well stop, you won't stop this site, or the posters from coming here.

If you have a point to make, be a man, speak up and debate the issues. Stop being a big PUSS.

Are you that afraid of the issues????????????????

Yes, Bill the muslim,
Christians and Jews lived in many arab moslem countries, as second class citizens with extra taxes and few civil rights,
banned totally in all of saudi arabia since the tenth century and subject to random muslim directed and/or state directed terror/murder/extortion in most others.
Notably, the only country in the middle east that the Christian population has shown growth in is Israel. In all arab moslem countries Christians are under duress and often physical attack/murder/rape; the same can be said for many, though NOT all, other muslim dominated countries.

what a putz

Warez = sicko Tazi

What in the blue hell is going on with this Warez jackass? Boy, have you lost your mind? I get the feeling that the truth about your cult stings you.

If you want to make threats, make them toward me. I think you're just another arrogant, ignorant little Muslim punk, and after the animals you admire sawed off another head yesterday, I'm in a mood. To hell with you, little boy.

Stop with your bullshit threats. You aren't intimidating a soul on this site. Islamic radicals prove themselves every hour of every day. We're not sawing off the heads of Muslims, for now anyway.

Usually, the Director gets highly upset at me when I type like this because he insists on keeping the integrity of this site intact. And he’ll probably get mad at me for this one, However, I’m compelled to let you know that we've had more than enough of you little punk asses posting your brainwashed, babbling bullshit.

Keep posting, but never make the mistake that you won't be answered. We're not Muslim women that you like to slap into submission. We'll come at you, and if you ever decide as a Muslim radical to grow some stones and come out from behind your monitor, let me know. I'll show you the new toy I bought this morning.

Ass wipes like you, Reza, Mahmoud, Arxos and the rest hide behind Islam. You disgrace your own faith. Muslim leaders have spoken out against terrorism. And no, lame, 1.2 billion Muslims aren't coming after anyone. I know Muslims, and the ones I know aren't looking for world conversion to Islam like Bitch Laden, Zarqueeri, or any of the other chicken shits that hide in rat holes and caves.

You call that courage? If you do, then you're more of a mental cripple than I thought. The century impaired Radical Islamites wanted war, so war they received. If civilians are killed, the families shouldn't blame our troops, but blame the spineless Muslim terrorists for hiding behind women and kids like the scared little pigs they are.

Stop threatening Spencer, he's opened millions of pair of eyes that otherwise would've been blind to radical Islam and their maniacal agenda. This site will go on, and if any Muslim or tree hugger doesn't like it, then visit a site that praises these radical bitches for their barbaric acts.

In the name of Allah, The Most Merciful.

dby, I do not claim that it is all peachy, nor do I believe it is the hell that is so often described. I am living in a state of reality which goes to show that there is always good and always bad, and unfortunately, not enough balance.

At the same time that i must agree that there are many christians today and historically who are oppressed in muslim lands I must also achknowledge that muslims have been persecuted for their faith by christians in non-muslim lands, treated as second class citiezens and far worse in christian lands, today and throughout history. As one small example we can find today the laws are being changed in europe so as to force a wedge between the muslim woman's obdeience to god according to her faith and the society at large. If you want a different example we can look at nigeria on oneside of the globe or jakarta on the other where christian rebel groups are riseing up and raiding muslim villages.

With all of that said, my point is not to go back and forth with you offer an example, i give my perspective on it and then offer my example. Instead my point is to say that Islam, not muslims, not muslim lands, not muslim rulers, scholars or clerics, but islam has given us the boundaries of both war and peace. The purpose of fighting is to establish justice, to stop oppression and to open a land for the safety and security of it's inhabitants. And just as dear mister spencer can go and say sheikh so and so said, I can go to the Qur'an and prophetic traditions and offer the laws and perspectives of islam.

As far as the jizya, or that special tax you spoke of, Are you aware that muslims must pay 2.5% of their saveings every year as a tax? Now this is a must on every believer while the unbelievers do not have such a tax...so the tax is is levied against them. Interestingly enough, one will find that the jizya is generaly only established according to the means of the people as a whole and so usualy has been equal to or less than that paid by the muslim portion of the society!!!

furthermore, the non-muslims of the land are to be given what would now be called social security when they attain old age or are disabled and this comes from the government...this was established by Umar ibn al-khatab the second khalifa!

And lastly, Are you aware that when umar entered jerusalem there was no blood spilled and the christians entrusted him with the keys to the church of nativity which is still cared for by muslims? and to protect this church from being turned into a masjid he declined the offer to pray inside and instead prayed across the street where the masjid bearing his name was built and remains? Are you aware that No christian was forced to leave jerusalem and that the jews were allowed to enter into the blessed land and perform their pilgrimages which the christians before this had punished with death?!?

Again, point for point and i bring evidence and source evidence. I bring news from today or facts from history, The Qur'an and prophetics tradition. I am a convert and a student of this religion and I know I will not say what i am not certain of.

Thank you again for your time:).

In the name of Allah, The Most Merciful.

dby, I do not claim that it is all peachy, nor do I believe it is the hell that is so often described. I am living in a state of reality which goes to show that there is always good and always bad, and unfortunately, not enough balance.

At the same time that i must agree that there are many christians today and historically who are oppressed in muslim lands I must also achknowledge that muslims have been persecuted for their faith by christians in non-muslim lands, treated as second class citiezens and far worse in christian lands, today and throughout history. As one small example we can find today the laws are being changed in europe so as to force a wedge between the muslim woman's obdeience to god according to her faith and the society at large. If you want a different example we can look at nigeria on oneside of the globe or jakarta on the other where christian rebel groups are riseing up and raiding muslim villages.

With all of that said, my point is not to go back and forth with you offer an example, i give my perspective on it and then offer my example. Instead my point is to say that Islam, not muslims, not muslim lands, not muslim rulers, scholars or clerics, but islam has given us the boundaries of both war and peace. The purpose of fighting is to establish justice, to stop oppression and to open a land for the safety and security of it's inhabitants. And just as dear mister spencer can go and say sheikh so and so said, I can go to the Qur'an and prophetic traditions and offer the laws and perspectives of islam.

As far as the jizya, or that special tax you spoke of, Are you aware that muslims must pay 2.5% of their saveings every year as a tax? Now this is a must on every believer while the unbelievers do not have such a tax...so the tax is is levied against them. Interestingly enough, one will find that the jizya is generaly only established according to the means of the people as a whole and so usualy has been equal to or less than that paid by the muslim portion of the society!!!

furthermore, the non-muslims of the land are to be given what would now be called social security when they attain old age or are disabled and this comes from the government...this was established by Umar ibn al-khatab the second khalifa!

And lastly, Are you aware that when umar entered jerusalem there was no blood spilled and the christians entrusted him with the keys to the church of nativity which is still cared for by muslims? and to protect this church from being turned into a masjid he declined the offer to pray inside and instead prayed across the street where the masjid bearing his name was built and remains? Are you aware that No christian was forced to leave jerusalem and that the jews were allowed to enter into the blessed land and perform their pilgrimages which the christians before this had punished with death?!?

Again, point for point and i bring evidence and source evidence. I bring news from today or facts from history, The Qur'an and prophetics tradition. I am a convert and a student of this religion and I know I will not say what i am not certain of.

Thank you again for your time:).

Keep up the good work! You must be doing something that is upsetting them, and that's a good thing! This is a world war againt islam, and many people just can't handle the truth....Western europe is already lost, we need to get our troops out of there, and help defend other places that are not infested with islam parasite!

This agnostic realizes the dangers of jihadism.

I just want to go to Acme and buy my pork chops without being blown up on the way.

Oh, warez, grow up.

Wonderful comments Mr Spencer.

It is refreshing to see that Robert Spencer
has understood the problem and tries to
describe it most of the time without giving in to the temptations
of christian prosletyzing (which so many fall prey to). He neither dilutes
the problem nor does he exaggerate it. He has
also warned against giving a fascist response to
the problem. This needs to be commended. The danger of a fascist response which may affect even the innocents is as real as the 'politically correct' response which advocates doing nothing and ignoring the problem.

Mr Spencer can still be proved wrong but only if Jihadi terrorism reduces. The likelihood of that are remote at present. 'Moderate' muslims are usually more worried about Islam's image in the west rather than try to confront their cousins or their friends who may have fallen prey to Jihadi ideology. The jihadis are very likely to take power in these Islamic societies sooner or later if the present trend continues. Still, I fondly hope that Mr Spencer and Mr Samuel Huntington turn out to be wrong and the world can continue to focus on cancer research, solar energy, nanotechnology and dark energy.

for naresch, And just what the hell is a moderate muslim?

God bless Robert Spencer. Great web site...

The truth shall set you free.....

We must be cautious in this great country that we only fight our enemies and not go around and treat all muslims as terrorist. Its easy to hate.

And we must also be strong in our will to end this threat. It will take a lot of hard work. Maybe even many many years of wars everywhere.

sorry, thats for naresh c.

Cindy,

My definition of a moderate muslim would be someone who supports separation of mosque and state and opposes sharia. He or she also opposes
Jihadi violence. He would consider quran as
a 7th century work that does not need to be taken literally. He would oppose polygamy. He would oppose the word 'Islamic republic' before
the name of his country and would call it just republic. What I said earlier is that if they remain passive and do not advocate serious reforms and are only worried about the image of their society, their countries will continue slipping into the downward spiral of Jihadism.

Islam today is equilivant to Nazism and communism in previous generations. I believe the religion of Islam has been hijacked by the bearded ones. Moderate muslims must stand up to these nuts, and wipe them out. But, if they won't -- WE WILL !!!
There is talk in NY about the serious possibility of an eventual dirty bomb attack. I think we need to speak publicly about this. And, I feel that the only appropariate response to such an attack would be a full nuclear counterstrike on Mecca and Medina. In the cold war, the threat of nuclear retaliation was enough to scare either side into caution. I wonder if the threat of retaliation would prevent such an attack. What do other people think.
While I was very liberal before septmeber 11th, my worldview dramaticaly and inexorably changed with the generation-altering events of 9-11. I now believe Islam is dangerous and a force for evil in the world. I think of it as a cancer that is affecting the whole world, and has potential for metastasis. France is in grave danger of falling to evil...again.
Mr Spencer, please do not be deterred by attacks from our enemies. We cannot truly divine whether or not we will win this war, or how it will end, but fight we must.

naresh c, would he also advocate cutting the throat of an infidel?

Bill the muslim,
thank you for that reasonable response, certainly one that i must respect.
Indeed much damage has been done in the name of all the major religions, and indeed, muslims have been mistreated or worse in the lands of non-moslems at various times and places.
My difficulty is really that if you, as a good muslim, teach your children in the muslim faith, and if one of your children, in normal rebellion against parent or normal adolescent black/white understanding of things, or simply as a literalist, this son or daughter of yours may go out and kill, in M's name, a christian, hindu, jew or...
You say silly ? It is a reality now.
We have youngsters and adults, moslems, who kill, or try to, non-muslims when their own lives are difficult; their way to handle it is to strike out for islam against the enemies of islam,as taught to them from their earliest youth.
My belief is in the people who have accepted islam.
They are, mostly, like yourself, good people.
It is islam, the faith/ideology, by my reading and understanding, that's toxic.
And i do not mean to upset you with that thought, but think of the destruction and death if only one tenth of one percent of moslems did what the prophet told them to do vis a vis hindus, pagans , christians etc.
Does this help you understand some of my distaste for islam; there are other major reasons:the absurdity of even thinking of imposing the sharia on a society, the political control by the imams etc.

Islam seemed to work in the context of the warring tribes of Arabia in the 7th century A.D. but it never really scaled up well to any higher political and social constructs. Regions of the world where islam is the dominant creed are almost universally mired in poverty with some of the highest gini ratios in the world. They are nearly all afflicted with despotic rulers and their general populations are bereft of practically any awareness of world affairs.

A telling statistic published in the UN report on arab human development in 2002 is that the arab world translates about 330 books annually from other languages, one-fifth of the number that Greece translates. The cummulative total of translated books since the ninth century is about 100,000. That's how many books Spain translates in one year! Only in areas where limited degrees of secularism exist do we find human development indices anywhere near the top of the lowest quartile on the entire planet. And where they do, it's because of imported non-moslem technology, infrastructure and expertise.

These and volumes more numbers speak for themselves. The islamic ideology is a colossal failure in the modern world. Its violent expansionist design is unsuited for life in the 21st century. If it does not reform it will be exterminated like other tribal systems before it. That's just the way the world has always worked--natural selection. Jihadist islam is selected for extinction.

Islamic societies have been a great failure. As an ignorant Muslim one has to blame someone or something for all failures in the Islamic societies.Israel and USA trained the secret service of the Shah (SAVAK) that killed and tortured hundreds of thousands Iranians.We can blame Israel and USA for their wrong policy against Iranians but we are intelligent enough not to mix it with Jews and Christians. We had hundreds of thousands Jews, Christians, Bahais and other religious minorities that we lived and worked together but Khomeini forced them flee Iran. Khomeini was a product of Islam that teaches hate, discrimination and ignorance.Islamists cannot give anything useful to the world but they have their own agenda and that is to force the world to silence.They have their allies in Europe (Nazis, Communists, Social Democrats, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, BBC and even feminists) but the problem is the USA that values freedom of speech. One step back can be a disaster for freedom of speech and victory for dark forces of Islam.

My Dear Robert Spencer:

You are a true scholar, possess great understanding of the Islamic philosophy and mind in both the moderate and fanatical modality.

I am so fortunate to learn from your wisdom, appropriate response to the hate and treachery utilized by Muslims today in their better and better understanding of our U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and our religious freedoms.

I enjoy your interviews on the Fox News Network, and I hope and pray for your safety.

You are courageous to provide this wonderful forum and information resource for us all, and I want you to know my true feelings about you.

I will continue to be here studying under you and others that come here with intelligence, honesty and courage.

God Bless the United States of America, her allies and friends all over the world!!

Bill the Muslim is illustrating what most of us know already, that many Muslims are obsessed with denying the ugly realities of Muslim society, culture and history.

The fact that he is quick to refute points of Mr. Spencer's work in sweeping generalities highlights the sheer inability of Bill, as a Muslim, to acknowledge that Islam tends to be historically expansionistic and clearly antithetical to Western society in every respect.

As such, under the newly created cloak of "Multi-Culturism" and "Discrimination" hysterics, Western societies are being exploited for future conquest by Islamists who are clearly setting the stage for a future of worldwide Islamic rule.

Now assuming what I am saying is even remotely true, and Islamists themselves make no secret of it, why should the non-Muslim societies continue to accommodate Muslim immigration at all? Do Islamic countries encourage and accommodate non-Muslims to immigrate to their lands and practice their religion? Of course they do not. Islam is growing stronger and will absorb all that it encounters as it has done down through the ages and will do so long after we are gone.

The danger is that so many people do not realize what is in store. There will be a new dark ages in the world if Islam is allowed continue its drum beat march towards world dominance. When Islam achieves it stated objective, the freedoms we Westerners enjoy will as surely as night follows day be erased.

The possibility of a renaissance of Western culture and values after possible Islamic world conquest seems remote. Imagine the destruction of cathedrals, churches, temples etc. Imagine the Newly introduced Islamic laws on the conquered country ruling every aspect of the citizen’s life. Imagine the destruction of a nation's heritage and the destruction of world history through historical revisionism to fit the Islamic viewpoint.

In a new Islamic revival on a world wide scale, these things are not beyond the realm of possibility. They actually happened too many times in history to deny, yet Muslims like Bill, ignore all that Islam is and has been since its inception.

Muslims like Bill attempt to dazzle us with the intricate details of their religion as though that should make us accept its stated objective...submission and deny the obvious manifestation of its influence, intolerance, pure and simple.

In the end, should the banner of Islam rise above the nations of the earth, there will be a new age of darkness that is impossible to accurately predict(The age of Nihilism?). But if the atrocities, brutality and intolerance involving Muslims in recent history are any indication, it will be of apocalyptic proportions.

Hope to God all mighty that Time doesn't find out where your secure undisclosed location is. Please continue telling the truth about the Jihadists.

The following War rallying poster is reminiscent of the WWII posters. We should have more of them now.

Thanks Helena.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

"Are you Blind Too?"

Jihad Watch Readers, please be aware that the troll posting here calling itself "Anthony" is not legitimate. It has made similiar inflamatory posts at LGF, and goes by several alias'. He is currently banned from LGF and others and attempts to promote the impression that a web site is racist by posting infamatory anti-muslim comments.

Thank you.

"Warez4u,
Can't you see that you are MAD?
I GUESS YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR MEDICINE NOW!"

Dase,

Just to echo a thought I once heard, "When you throw a rock into a pack of wolves, the one who cries out is the one who got hit." Apparently, Robert Spencer touched a nerve.

btw Mr. Spencer keep up the good work. There are a lot of people who are grateful for what you are doing.

Very well said, Andrew; do you think we have become so indoctrinated with political and multi-culturalism "correctness" that we can no longer step up and demand this metastatic cancer to leave the U.S.?

With the continued propagation of their mosques, utilizing our religious freedoms against us, just how, exactly, do we stop this infestation into the vital organ milleau of our country?

Either we do it now, as bad as that sounds, or do it later, with, perhaps, the encroaching ultimate disasters that may await us.

Do these pathetic barbaric people have to awake the "Sleeping Giant", with all its yet untold horror scorching their part of the world?

For those of you interested in the latest conspiracy theory please see the Jeruselem Post (palestinian newspaper):

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1087628461634

Apparently, those crafty Al-Qaeda bastards have now struck a deal with Isreal in order to discredit or destroy the fairytail Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

According to Prince Abdullah of KSA, Al-Qaeda receives 95% of it's financial and material support from the Zionists. (Gasp!)

Bill the Muslim...do you believe that story? We, the Zionists, are in cahoots with the people that kill us!

Now...which of us do you think is delusional?

Dear Bill the muslim
Thanks for posting in a reasonable manner.
First of all, I have a few questions to ask. Why did you choose to convert to this religion?
Does the idea that Mohammed was a pedophile bother you?
Does the idea that Mohammed broke up his adopted son's marriage and married his daughter in law, bother you?
Does the fact that Mohammed had slaves bother you?
Does the fact that according to the Koran, a man can hit his wife bother you?

Bill the muslim
If muslims don't hate jews, then why did Mohammed turn some jews and christians into pigs and monkeys? Why are jews called monkeys, and christians called pigs in your muslim holy books?

Bill the muslim
You talk about the tax that non-muslims pay, and then say that muslims also had to pay a tax of 2.5 percent. Haven't you ever heard of the American phrase "no taxation without representation"?
IMHO ANY taxation is immoral, unless imposed on by a democratic government. Is Islam a democracy?

Bill the muslim
You say that Islam waged war for justice. But who defines justice? Was it justice for the opponents of Islam to be killed in those wars? Didn't they have the right to live? Didn't Islam wage war as a land grab, in the same way that the jews did in Old testament times, covering up the reason as a war for justice? What justice did Islam bring?

Bill the muslim
If you don't have space to post to me here, please email me, as I want to hear your responses to my questions.

Bill Muslim:

I appreciate your willingness to answer dispassionately, and your obvious interest in history, and willingness to search things out. I have heard that after the Communists fell in Albania, the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians their had many Muslim well-wishers come when they reopened their churches--and reciprocated when the Muslims reopened their mosques (if only ex-Yugoslavia had behaved so!) And, I am one who is not yet ready to write off all billion plus Muslims as bloodthirsty terrorists.

Now for the things over which I am honestly deeply troubled.

Could you please direct us to places where responsible Muslims (especially widely respected members of the 'Ulema) are saying that the Armenian massacres of the 1890's and WWI were unustified, hateful to God, and that some amends need to be made? Or, who are critical of the Khartoum government's Thirty Years' War against the heavily Christian southern Sudanese? Are there any cases of strong Islamic condemnation of the continuing pressures on the Assyrians and Copts? And how much of Pakistan stands with Musharaf's call to review the blasphemy laws and their application (especially since they are widely used to attack Christians--possibly Ahmadiyya adherents as well). Or, are there voices among the Turkish 'Ulema that say something like, "Since we Turks are a larger country, and very well armed, it is imperative we let our Balkan neighbors feel reassured that our concern and support for the Bosniaks and Kosovars by no means implies that we are out to re-impose devirsme and massacre on the Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgars--even if we have to bend over backwards to do so."?

I hear nothing like this at all--not even a peep.

Perhaps one reason you, as a Westerner, may have been able to move towards Islam was that Christians, on the basis of Biblical teaching, are able to look back on their history and think the Crusades and Inquisitions travesties against Jesus Christ and his teachings. But what is there in Islam that might prompt similar soul-searching about the historical record?

Also, have you noticed that Iraq, where one in five Baghdadis ca. 1935 was Jewish, where the Talmud Babli was written, and where some of the prophets are buried, is now all but Judenrein? And isn't it a shameful asymmetry that whereas those who participated in an aliya of more than 120,000 Iraqi Jews to Israel and their offspring are no-questions-asked Israelis, while roughly 100,000 Falastin Arabs (mostly descendants to the 3d and 4th generation of the original 1948 refugees) in Iraq were NEVER granted the option of Iraqi citizenship? The same is true of the Falastin Arabs everywhere in the Middle East, except Jordan.

Finally, Bill, I note that the Muslim sources often speak of Isa al-Masih, a clear derivative of Yehoshua haM'shiach (Jesus the Messiah). What do the imams and mullahs say about this title for Jesus, its derivation, and why it is not applied to Muhammad, who is supposedly the final prophet? The theology behind this honestly intrigues me (and feel free to contact me offlist). Ibn Rushd, if you're still around, I'd appreciate your input, too.

Good post Andrew. I would also like to thank Robert and Hugh for their exhaustive analysis of Islam. This site is undoubtedly the most important resource for non-Muslims who want to know more about Islam than just the sugar-coated lies peddled by the media and political elites.

It's interesting that all we ever hear from Muslims - even 'moderate' Muslims like Bill - is denial about the atrocities perpetrated in the name of Islam, both past and present. Has anyone here ever met a Christian who denies that the Inquisition took place, or the witch-burnings? I haven't, and I always make a point of bringing up these subjects when I speak with Christians. But the constant denial about the murderous history of Islam reminds me of only one thing: Holocaust denial by neo-nazis.

To Robert.........Curse this medium known as the internet..........I honestly didn't know you were being sarcastic.......went right over me that one.........I thought you might be referring to what Daniel Pipes often says that roughly 15 percent of the Islamic world is radical.....I love Danny as we all do but I am afriad that those numbers are far far too optimistic.........

Keep up the great work...

Devon in Calgary

That poster by Helena is excellent. Thanks for that link. It's so good, in fact, I think I'm going to use it. :)

This morning i tried to find some links as to the spiritual side of Islam and was appalled at the distinctions made to Jihad; the lesser jihad and the greater jihad, I think the whole of Islam has it completely wrong.
Muhammed spoke of the interior battle for equilibrium as the 'Greater battle' but this has been reversed by the absence of any 'Love for Neighbour" or thought for the little known side effect of violence called 'TRAUMA'; violence being a means to an end. Today's Muslim's do not differentiate between greater and lesser Jihad as the focus of their attentions are 'OUTWARD' in blaming others for the lack of 'Equilibrium' this equates more or less to the doctrines of Hitlers Mein Kampf, a scapegoat theology.

http://sunnah.org/tasawwuf/jihad001.html

quote NAWAWI ON JIHAD AL-NAFS [FIGHTING THE EGO]

He said:
"I heard Muhammad ibn al-Husayn say: I heard Ahmad ibn `Ali ibn Ja`far say: I heard al-Hasan ibn `Alawiyya say: Abu Yazid [al-Bistami], may God be well pleased with him, said: I was for twelve years the blacksmith of my ego (haddadu nafsi), then for five years I became the mirror of my heart (mir'atu qalbi), then for a year I looked at what lay between the two of them and I saw around me a visible belt [i.e. of kufr = the vestimentary sign of a dhimmi]. So I strove to cut it for twelve years and then looked again, and I saw around me a hidden belt. So I worked to cut it for five years, looking to see how to cut. Then it was unveiled for me (kushifa li) and I looked at creation and saw that they were all dead. So I recited the funeral prayer over them." end quote

I couldn't see the difference between greater or lesser Jihad as the focus was given to the Kufr and the dhimmi, what has that judgementality to do with approaching the divine. Clearly it expresses a racial purity which is regarded as divine.

http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/jihad-nasr.htm
This article sweeps away the suffering which Islam has and will always cause to people whom they disrespect as inferiors, it makes no mention of the trauma which they are willing cause, the article focuses on the end result being justified by the means.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, this happens on a spiritual plane as well as a mortal one, evil actions (violence) render the perpetrator and the supporters of that perpetrator liable to divine Justice, there can be no exceptions for people who THINK that their psuedo beliefs make them superior to those who have suffered from their violence, God has left the oppressor under the Law and in Judgement, such a person cannot find PEACE nor REST in God. Living or dead God defends the rights of those who suffer violence for the sake of racial or religious purity

Here Here for a Hatemailwatch!! I have received so much hate mail in Private messages in the Christian Rooms I frequent and use to debate Islam , that I just turned off the Private message feature...

I have been attacked in some of the most creative ways imaginable! Everything From them just verbally abusing me, to them saying they hate me and take great joy in the fact I will burn forever in hell...To them actually saying they would like to cut out my tongue. I even had one saying He wanted to chop me in pieces and feed me to his dogs! One Muslim was very nice...He offered to send me a Plane ticket to come to the Middle East and debate at some forum or other...All he would need was my street address! LOL AS IF!!!

And yes this little old Irish lady has been called a "Jew whore/bitch" more times then I can count:))

It might do the general Public good to see exactly what Muslims are like in the shadows of the Internet email and messaging arenas…

I C&P'd this from the article and altered it a little to reflect my feelings. (I had to alter it because I didn't make this site.) This concisely expresses why I, though admittedly a bleeding-heart liberal, am and will remain an anti-Jihadi.

The assumption that anyone who resists the jihad must be Jewish is based on the erroneous view that this is all about Israel, and that the Islamic world would live in peace with the rest of the planet if only that tiny state were swept into the sea. [The ongoing and increasingly violent crises] in Nigeria, Thailand, Indonesia, Kashmir, the Philippines, and elsewhere show just how wrong that is. And I, who am not Jewish, am proud to stand with Jews and women and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists and unbelievers and everyone else against this great scourge that would destroy free societies and relegate us all to second-class status -- or worse.

I sometimes feel like Israel myself... a lonely liberal amongst all these conservatives. If anyone out there has a liberal friend (no, really, it is possible) that needs to hear from another lib why we should fight the jihad, send them the above paragraph. Remind them that there are no gay rights, women's rights, Green Party, atheists rights, animal rights, or (substantial) minority rights in any Muslim nation, but there are in Israel. Between Israel and India is a wide sea of suffering where suspiscion is as good as conviction, raped women are punished by the law, people are whipped in public for petty offenses (sodomy, alcohol consumption, "letting" themselves be raped, showing mercy to minorities, etc) and everyone that isn't a muslm man is treated like dirt.

Well,
Many people in this website would have seen me addressing a guy by name Warez4u, this guy is a spammer and is trying to attack this website.
I Know he is a muslim and he's afraid of facts.
Please try to understand why I 've written to him I guess Robert Spencer had already deleted his spams.
However, I can now see that he's here again with all sort of names.

Here Here for a Hatemailwatch!! I have received so much hate mail in Private messages in the Christian Rooms I frequent and use to debate Islam , that I just turned off the Private message feature...

I have been attacked in some of the most creative ways imaginable! Everything From them just verbally abusing me, to them saying they hate me and take great joy in the fact I will burn forever in hell...To them actually saying they would like to cut out my tongue. I even had one saying He wanted to chop me in pieces and feed me to his dogs! One Muslim was very nice...He offered to send me a Plane ticket to come to the Middle East and debate at some forum or other...All he would need was my street address! LOL AS IF!!!

And yes this little old Irish lady has been called a "Jew whore/bitch" more times then I can count:))

It might do the general Public good to see exactly what Muslims are like in the shadows of the Internet email and messaging arenas…

I'm converting to Wicca, or some other pagan religion. Want to know why? Because I don't want to be a "person of the book". I don't want to be a patronized, paternalised dhimmi. I want to be the very thing that muslims despise: some-one who is NOT one of the Abrahamic religions.
They will have to kill me, because I will not convert to Islam.

They need to be banned by IP range, not single IP addresses.

This guy is already using my email address to spam this website.
Every common person in this website knows me so I am not afraid, I can't be sending multiple messages so My dear Robert spencer if you see any of my messages which is more than one, Please for Goodness sake delete it, it is not me it is Warez using my email address and name!

Why are the posts appearing multiple times?

I only Hit Post once....

Why?

Rito! Then I'm with you, because I don't want to be a "person of the book".

Bill the Muslim,

I have often read that Mohammed said that Islam was the dominant religion and that the rest of the world had three options: convert and live by the law of Shariah; refuse to convert but live under the law that says you must pay a tax to the Muslims who are the dominant ones and must obey all kinds of rules that show that you have been subjugated by them; or be killed.

Is that not so?

And if that is old teaching and has been updated, where is it written that this is no longer valid? Can anyone change what is written in the Qu'ran? Supposedly what is written in the Qu'ran is supreme law, Allah's law and cannot be changed.

Are you saying that Muslims can now live side by side with Jewish people who worship their God and Christians who worship theirs, in any country in the world including the Middle East and be equal to them?

Are you saying that the Imams who call Jews 'pigs and apes' and such from the mosques are wrong?

Please explain.
Thank you.

The problem is, this kid that's spamming is probably using spoofs or captured cpus (via trojans) in order to keep his ips from mattering at all, even if investigated.

My recommendation is that the comments be switched over to a registered user only basis -- verified with a valid email address. This should cut down on the nonsense quite a bit and make it much easier to track abusers if they do persist.

Allah is neither merciful nor almighty. He is just a -ucking little demon that gets to go to hell with the rest of you ignorant satanic little islamic morons. Go suck on pig fat, you make me sick!!
MGM

Robert Spencer said, "And I, who am not Jewish, am proud to stand with Jews and women and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists and unbelievers and everyone else against this great scourge that would destroy free societies and relegate us all to second-class status -- or worse."

You tell them Robert!

"Your grandchildren will stand for freedom."

Keep on with the good work and by his grace no evil shall come near you, neither shall any plague come near your dwelling in Jesus name (Amen).
Posted by: Dase at June 19, 2004 10:34 PM

After reading Dase’s post, I was struck (once again) by the power of the Internet. I still find it amazing how useful this global network truly is. Although it can and is being used for evil purposes it is also helping to put together a global network of people who want to do good. Keep your chin up Dase, you have friends everywhere.

Canuck

“Your grandchildren will be computer literate and koran illiterate.”

I'm with you ROBERT.Keep on doing what you are doing.Do not give in.

paula said, “Just to echo a thought I once heard, "When you throw a rock into a pack of wolves, the one who cries out is the one who got hit." Apparently, Robert Spencer touched a nerve.”

Hey, that’s a good saying, I like it. It’s a keeper. Can I change it from wolves to pigs? Pigs have a better ring to it. Thanks.

“Your grandchildren will be throwing rocks listening to the squeals.”

While lists of groups tend to have a Diversity-Day inclusiveness that those who are most interested in the individual, in the freedom of the lone individual, may sometimes mentally bristle at, the litany that Robert offers in his comment is stirring -- a list of non-Muslims who have suffered, are suffering, and will certainly suffer more in any society where they may be subjugated to Islam and to its adherents, as seen most obviously in the southern Sudan.

But if there is to be such a list, surely major groups should not be left out. So let there be added "the Sikhs, and followers of Confucius, and Zoroastrians, and...."

And on the subject of Zoroastrianism, the original religion of Persia until the arrival of Islam, and whose adherents in Iran now number officially less than 200,000, and who, according to the studies of Mary Boyce, have been subject to the most cruel of persecutions even into the 1970s (when she, an Englishwoman, lived among them), one wonders if Zoroastrianism will perhaps enlarge its numbers in a new Iran. How might this come to be? Many Iranians in exile, like Iranians within Iran, have experienced the "Islamic Republic" and want only to tame Islam. Some of the celebrated "reformers" such as Shirin Ebadi, or A. Sorroush, claim that all the ills of the Islamic Republic, or of the mistreatment of women, are not due to the teachings of Islam, but are simply extra-Islamic matters, or based on that tiresome formulation, a "perversion of Islam." There are thinking Iranians fron Los Angeles to London to Stockholm, who know otherwise. Some may wish to call themselves Muslims, warily but out of filial piety. Others, however, may wish to openly become ex-Muslims, and may even reject all other religions, but wish, for psychological reasons, to "be something," to call themselves something. And if that something has a long relationship with their nation, Iran, was responsible for much of its civilization before Islam was brought by the conquering Arabs, well -- why not call oneself a Zoroastrian? Why not look into it? It might start as a fashion, a kind of mental statement, a declaration that my Iranian nationalism is so complete that I wish to throw off the belief-system brought by the Arabs (the same Arabs who were so instrumental in putting Khomeini in charge of Iran -- he the help of the PLO and Arafat were very important to him and to "Judge" Khalkhali). The Western world elevates the individual; in the Middle East one is taught to think of oneself, and can hardly conceive of oneself otherwise, as a member of a religion, a group.

What more fitting, some may think, than a new outburst of deliberately-cultivated Iranian nationalism (Cyrus! Darius! And Marlowe's mighty lines from "Tamburlaine" : "Is it not passing brave to be a king, Techelles/Usumcasane, and Theridamas? Is it not passing brave to be a king, and ride in triumph through Persepolis?). Yes, Persepolis, and Firdowsi defending the Farsi language against the encroachments of Arabic. The Persian version of Ataturk's attempts to constrain Islam may take a form in which Zoroastrianism (no, I refuse to use here that now horribly overused "redux") will have its place.