A bomb was thrown at a Catholic Church in Indonesia. No one was hurt, but a pattern continues: this was the fifth attack on a church this week. From The Australian, with thanks to Nicolei:
Mobs attacked four churches in two neighbouring suburbs of the Indonesian capital Jakarta on Sunday, slightly injuring a priest and causing some damage. Three of those churches were in buildings in commercial areas that had no permit for use as places of worship. Such unauthorised churches have come in for attack in the past.
Building Idol-Worshippers church in a Muslim country is against The Laws Of Almighty Allah (swt). Maybe we have to speak in Japanees with you so you realize you can not impose your Idol-Worshipping on us by building ilegal churches in ilegal places. You have no right to be in a Muslim country so Get Out!
The key point here is that the Christian churches were "unauthorized". Under Islamic law, existing churches may be maintained and repaired, as approved by the state, but they may not be enlarged or "improved", nor may new Christian churches be constructed. It is, of course, unlawful for any non-Islamic symbols (e.g., crosses or Catholic idols) to be visable outside the church. "Services" and prayers must also be inaudible outside the structure so as not to give offense to Muslims.
These minor limitations on Christian activities are obviously not oppressive and are typical of the compassion and tolerance shown toward deviant sects in Islamic countries. The ersatz "churches" were destroyed by citizens who were understandably offended and enraged by the lawlessness of the Christians who built them. The responsibility for the firebombings rests therefore on the Christians, not on the Muslims who were acting in defense of their culture and beliefs.
Until the nonbelievers cease oppressing Muslims and offending their honor and dignity, peace will be impossible.
Allahu akbar
Mutt and Jeff have just spoken. What a hoot! You can't make this stuff up.
Yeah, okay your backward laws about infidel houses of worship are absolutely idiotic but in order to be fair, we should try to appreciate where you're coming from instead of always opposing you. I propose that all Muslim houses of worship in Western countries have the same "laws" imposed upon them. And if you don't comply, we get to throw petrol bombs at your mosques. Fair and square, right? Compassionate and tolerant, right? I think those people in Hamtramck would especially like these new rules.
I hope and pray that someday muslims living in America will have the same rights and respect that non-muslims have in islamic countries....
(Wishful thinking that will never happen)
Morning all.
As our wedding approaches it gets more difficult to even get in here to read. And my posting usually add very little anyway.
However! In passing I shall leave a link for any who want to see a bit more of the history of radical islam- and its ties to Nazi Germany.
Enjoy!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/816232/posts
raza, mohammod
If you do not like the west then go live in your caves we can help you leave!
I read your posts and you say live in peace only if you convert or die well you will be the ones who die! We do not worship a rock? We like to crush rocks~! Americans will burn down your Mosque if you start that sh-t here! I have seen many people vist President Reagan and make the cross! not bringing a rug!
You are the desizze and we are the doctors!
Once again you have not said the God who you worship? Is it the God of death or Life? Or is it a Rock? Your God is a God of Slavery!
An Americans are done with that whole thing!!!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
Gary
congrats!
Part of the American Tribe
I thought I am the worst here with english grammar but this Cathy The Mass Murderer seems worst than me in english. Everytime i read her grammar I get more hope to pass my TOEFL next semster.
Reza and Mahmoud
Do you hear how ridiculous you sound. Religion successfully spreads through love, reason, understanding and compassion not through banning or forbidding one religion. Have you ever considered the fact that you are permitted to enter the Church of the Sepluchre in Jerusalem (where Jesus rose from the dead) even though you are not Christian while non-Christians can't even get close to Mecca? What does that say and what are you hiding.
Since Islam is the newest of the three Monotheistic religions shouldn't it be the most open and welcoming to people? Since you two have never answered my repeated questions as to which Islamic clerics you believe more those associated with Bin Laden or those that disagree with him. I have to assume you are not confident enough to say that you admire Bin Laden.
What a sad state of affairs we have you two that use God's name to spread hate, suffering and evil while we have others that post here that pretend God doesn't exist. Literally the blind leading the lame.
mohamomd
had to go wash his self because he could not stand the thought of beautiful legs!
Why are you mulsums so afraid of the God of the Jews and Christians?? Funny Aint it!
moe was it with water or sand? hope you had to suffer with sand!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fiht with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
Reza and Mahmoud - "Unauthorized Churches" that are against Islamic law. What a dreadful ideology we find Islam to be. The thought police must regulate all thought patterns and draw everyone into the robotic Muslim collective. And to do this, they petrol bomb churches, whip women through the streets, mutilate and murder. And you believe that this is choice, that this is justice, that this is want God would want!!!
Free choice requires an opportunity to examine at least two ideas so that the choice can be made based on the merits of the ideas. A choice is not imposed as it is in Islam. There is no virtue in an imposed choice nor is there justice.
Moe
God must be upset with your kind because the Mountains are on Fire in that part of the world! Guess he does not like what you kind is doing burning churches!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
Mahmoud:
"I thought I am the worst here with english grammar but this Cathy The Mass Murderer seems worst than me in english. Everytime i read her grammar I get more hope to pass my TOEFL next semster."
Another glowing example of the kindness and compassion Muslims possess.
Mo & Reza,
Are you two actually Mossad agents spreading lies to make Islam look lawless, violent, reactionary and stupid? If so, you have succeeded brilliantly.
I have to agree...if muslims dont want churches in their lands then how can they expect to build mosques in other lands...
OT but funny...
When the one and only mosque in my city was built my kids were really excited because it was at the time when disneys aladdin was released and they thought aladdin lived there...lol...they thought the towers were for launching flying carpets...
Also last week we were at the mall with the 5 year old and a lady walked by fully covered in black (looked like she had a black sheet on with holes cut for the eyes)...my son promptly looked at us with suspicion in his eyes and stomped his foot and demanded to know why that "guy was wearing a costume and why we didnt tell him it was halloween"...the lady was carrying a shopping bag so naturally my son assumed that "he was trick or treating and my son was going home to put on his costume and get some candy"...I was cracking up with how serious he was and asked him what costume he thought the guy had on...he looked at me as though I was from another planet and replied "batman"...LOL...there arent many that fully cover in this area and it was the first one he had seen....ahhh the simplicity of a child....
And no I didnt feel the need to explain why the woman was dressed like that...the only explaination I have is one he doesnt need to hear at his age.
You know...I gotta tell you something...being Catholic living in America is a scary thing...Muslims are spreading, and they are imposing Islamic Law where they go...in this Democracy...all they have to do is out-vote us...and bingo! That's the end of the civilized world as we know it...back to the 14th century (god I'm gonna miss porn and pork). The only thing that can save us now is that more God fearing Catholic Mexicans move here, and out breed the Muslims. Over and out from San Diego.
Yes, Reza and Moe, I want to know.
How exactly is it that no churches are allowed in Muslim lands, but you claim the right to build churches in our lands? What if we acted like you? What if we said, "No mosques may be built in the lands belonging to Christians, Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists, Zoasterians, Atheists, Mormons, Jehovoa's Witnesses?" Do you see how brainless you sound, holding up a standard but refusing to live by it when it applies to you? Islam is nothing more than a justification for bloodshed, rape, and above all else, hypocrisy.
~NMJ
Oops, forgot to add "building new" to the above post.
~NMJ
Mahmoud and Reza,
All I can say is that I will continue to pray and fast for your conversions.
I will ask Jesus to enter your hearts and minds so that you can see the errors of your ways. What you follow is not the Truth.
The both of you live in darkness. It really saddens my heart.
As a Catholic-Christian, I forgive you for your misguided comments.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
John
"Whomsoever Allah has misguided will not be guided, and whomsoever Allah has guided can never be guided."
i sincerely hope you are not among the misguided.
What God would deliberately misguide? Certainly not an all-powerful one. Imperfect Humans, on the other hand, are quite good at misguiding themselves as well as others.
Is that a quote from the Koran, muslim? 'Cause if it is, your god Deliberately misguides- and that makes him No god at all.
Dear Muslim,
I am assuming that your post below mine is meant for me.
One fundamental difference between God in Christianity and Allah in Islam, is that God in Christianity does not purposefully misguide HIS children.
God in Christianity is a loving, kind, compassionate and merciful Being that desires all HIS creation to return home to heaven.
Jesus teaches us to address God as Father. What Father on earth would lead his children astray leading them to their demise. God being who God is cannot lead His children astray to perish; it would be contrary to His being.
Jesus tells us "But love your enemies and do good to them, and lend when there is nothing to expect in return. Then your reward be great and you will be children of the Most High. For God is kind towards the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful." This does not sound like a God that misguides.
Dear muslim, there is no sura in the Qur'an that can compare to the words that Jesus has spoken regarding God in Heaven. Although the suras begin with the beneficient and merciful, leading human beings astray to populate hell is not beneficient nor merciful.
We are not slaves to God as muslim say they are to Allah. Christians are children of God and God is our Father, not our slave master.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
John
Mahmoud and Reza,
Indonesia is NOT A MUSLIM country!!!!!!!!! It is S E C U L A R!!! That's what the constitution says.
There are native Indonesians who are Christians. Unlike you who live in a Western country enjoying all the freedoms of the kafirs, these Indonesian Christians are NATIVES, not IMMIGRANTS like you!!!!!!
A lot of the NATIVE INDONESIAN CHRISTIANS, have been killed, their churches burned, looted and also prevented from worshipping with other Christians in their homes.
The Indonesian government is not making a serious effort in catching these thugs, because these thugs are an extension of some people in the government.
I'm also going to tell you something that the muslims in Indonesia conveniently forget.
During the fight for independence, some muslim leaders wanted the new country to be a muslims country. The leaders from the Christian Eastern part of Indonesia did not want to join, if it is a muslim country. They would rather form their own country. The muslims agreed, and Indonesia was formed as a secular, NOT MUSLIM, country.
For years, the government have a transmigration policy to move poor Javanese and Madurese (ALL MUSLIMS), to the christian parts of Indonesia, giving them land. The result is that some areas which used to have a majority of Christians, are now either 50-50 or worse yet, they became a minority. (They (the muslims) have multiple wives and breed like rabits). Ambon is an example how the christians became a minority.
Now that the Christian majority areas have reduced significantly, these muslims reneged on the agreement -- al taqiyya at work!
It makes my blood boil to see people like Mo and Reza who not only are enjoying the freedomg given them by the kafirs, but also endorsing the repressive Indonesian government. Why did you people come to the West??????????????
You should stay in your miserable country, where bribes are the norm, judicial system could be bought, etc. --- I'm sure you'd be happy living amongst fellow Muslims under the much revered and heavenly Sharia!!!!
jasmine
Ooops ...... correction.
Ambon is 50-50 now - it was a christian minority area after independence.
jasmine
Catherine,
Have you been drinking too? Cool!
Are you naked yet?
Sorry, never mind, I'm going to go sleep it off....
Phil,Scott: Please do not post when u are drunk. I have lived in the Muslim countries & they call all Christians drunks & aduterers which they are truly not. Please do not give the wrong impression to people.
I beg Mr Spencer not to allow people to post comments with sexual tones & drunken messages.
Please REMEMBER this site is read by people in the middle east too.
It´s a pity, but It isn´t new news, I think that the muslims are new nazis, before synagoges and books now are catholic and protestant churches and christian books, well I think that until muslims attacks stronger, the people in The western don´t reaccionate or don´t want to fight like my country Spain. I am sad, but the left in my country is very hard, and the spirit of Lepanto Battle isn´t very strong. Greetings
Rafael
MW
I apologize to you and the other regular posters, it was an unfortunate once-in-a-blue-moon thing, and uncharacteristic of me.
I do not, however, apologize to anyone in the mideast. I watch what I do and say in front of children, not adults. And as for Christians being drunks and adulterers, know that twenty-five years ago I attended a midwest college where a substantial number of mideast men were studying, thanks to the far-sighted worldview of our then college president. From Yemen, Kuwait, pre-Khomenini Iran, Palestine, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, all over. And I was one of the few christians that would risk, in that college town, hanging out with the much-despised "sand-niggers". They called me "cousin" and practiced their English after me, "You hahve de best English, I like to talk like you." one Jordanian aristocrat (I never got the hang of his royal title)used to tell me.And then there was the thin little Kuwaiti prince, who coached me on driving manual transmission one evening, over whose dead body Saddam's troops entered Kuwait City a decade later. Know that it was the late '70s, and many was the night, for better or for worse, we drank and whored each other under the table. If my "cousins" and I really believed that there were 72 virgins waiting up for them in Paradise, we sure as hell weren't waiting 'till we died to start bagging any.
MW,neither you nor the "mideast people" pay my bills. You didn't diaper me as an infant,kiss my skinned knees, or send me to college.Neither you or the "mideast people" were there to shield me when a gun barrel was stuck in my face and my answer was still "no" and my assailant fired into the wall next to my head in screaming frustration. Where were you and the "mideast people" as I and others lined the streets in freezing rain to see our local Guardsmen off to fight your damn war? Where were you and the "mideast people" these past few months to stand with the families now that they're starting to come back in bags?
Someday, perhaps,I'll be part of a delegation, or attached to the miltary, or working on behalf of a Humanitarian organization.And I will be a guest in someone else's country. And I will be model guest. and I will observe my host's beliefs, their customs, and their social and political sensibilities.
But until then, by the living God,I am standing in my Nation by the blood of my forefathers and in my home by the sweat of my brow. And nobody, NOBODY tells me to govern my behavior lest "mideast people" half a world away cock their eyebrow or wrinkle their noses at me.
"Please do not post when u are drunk"
Tell Osama and his friends to quit videotaping themselves when they've been smoking hash.I already know what "mideast people" look and sound like when they're high.