Iran: What would you do if you saw Salman Rushdie?

That makes me so mad. There is something about Islam which emotionally retards people. They remain children forever, and can NEVER grow up. They are so full of hate and revenge.

How are they the religion of love and peace, when so many of them could kill a fellow human being?

I'm sick of religions with their love and peace bullshit. I lived in the Sixties which really WERE all about love and peace, and we REALLY DID mean it. At Woodstock there were one quarter of a million people and no fights and no violence. I'm starting to miss those days real bad.

That makes me so mad. There is something about Islam which emotionally retards people. They remain children forever, and can NEVER grow up. They are so full of hate and revenge.

How are they the religion of love and peace, when so many of them could kill a fellow human being?

I'm sick of religions with their love and peace bullshit. I lived in the Sixties which really WERE all about love and peace, and we REALLY DID mean it. At Woodstock there were one quarter of a million people and no fights and no violence. I'm starting to miss those days real bad.

This makes it perfectly clear why it is CRUCIAL for the outcome of this fight to support the brave ex-Muslims who come forward. Start with buying the book "Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out", edited by Ibn Warraq and with testimonies from many of the world's leading ex-Muslims:

http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm

Give it as a gift to friends and family. Write invitations to visit JihadWatch, to see for themselves how much damage Islam is doing every single day.

Give them links to other websites as well, such as:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/newspage.php3

http://www.middleastwomen.org/html/holocaust.htm

This makes perfectly clear why Islam is a failure and will never mature as a workable form of government or religion...

They can not take criticism...Even when it is simply the truth...

This also highlights why America is the Strongest most powerful nation on earth. WE ALLOW FREE SPEECH....We can take critical hits....We have and would today, die for the rights of critics to voice their opinions...

Example....Michael Moore is alive and well...

NOW THAT SHOWS THE STRENGTH OF OUR MORAL RESTRAINS:)

OT, but interesting: One of the parties in Sweden has now suggested "Islamophobia" should be banned by law:

http://www.secularislam.org/discussion35/_disc35/0000007a.htm

Let us remember just how despicable were Salman Rushdie's crimes. First, he announced his apostasy from Islam publically by releasing a written statement to the press. Then he wrote and had published one of the most blasphemous books of all time, the infamous "Satanic Verses". In that book, the protagonist, named "Mahound", frequents a brothel called "Hijab". The prostitutes in residence there just happen to bear the names of the wives of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Furthermore, this "Mahound" is engaged in obtaining revelations from his god, and even requests that god to permit the worship of idols.

Rushdie is therefore, by his own admission, guilty of both apostasy and blashphemy. Both of these offenses are punishable by death according to Allah's (swt) law (Sharia). Rushdie's crimes were so horrific that Grand Ayatolla Ali Komenhi issued a "hukm" condemning the notorious criminal to death. (It should be noted that, unlike a "fatwa", a "hukm" must be followed by all Muslims, whether or not they are followers of the Grand Ayatolla.)

Some of you have asked to be directed to a Muslim site where non-Muslims may post. I suggest www.shiachat.com, where you can find a large number of posts about the Rushdie affair from Muslims, Christians, Jews, and atheists.

Allahu akbar

Jesus said it would be expensive.......
i don't know if rushdie is a follower of Jesus or not
but speaking the truth will always cost something and it is always worth it.
michael j beebe

You quote false hadiths without any reference to the Quranic context. Learned Islamic scholars have written many volumes analyzing and explaining these things. You are snatching paragraphs at random and flinging them at the wall, hoping that the slime on your hands will cause some of them to stick. Thus do you seek to discredit Islam. Your pitiful efforts are as dust in the wind.

I have explained above that Rushdie is a self-admitted apostate and blasphemer. He knew the consequences of his actions, which consequences he now attempts to avoid by claiming to be an innocent victim of the "intolerant" Muslims. He is a man without honor and cannot forever avoid his fate.

Allahu akbar

To Reza,

More proof that Islam is a religion of peace and love. Satanic verses...indeed.

You know it's funny...as Christians, we would have been frustrated if someone said something against our religion. We probably would have gotten angry, but then we would have prayed for the guy.
Look at the offensive remarks made about Ronald Reagan this past week. For those of us who respected and loved the man, the comments put forth by Christopher Hitchens and Ted Rall were despicable. But we are not going to kill these guys.
Your horror over Rushdie's remarks are puzzling. Could it be that there is some truth to what he says and if people find out they won't want to be part of your sad excuse for a religion? Oh, I forgot. If they don't stay, you'll just kill them. Do you not see how insane this is? By your very remarks you prove that your god is a Satanic one. Only a Satanic god would kill those who oppose it. The God of Truth and Justice allows free will. You can do every nasty thing you can think of and the True God defends your ability to do it. Perhaps your god is a week and ineffective one, hence you and your fellow Moslems must lash out, must kill their opposition,(can anyone say Joseph Stalin?) and must keep women down because they are smarter than you. Those of us in America are waking up to the threat that you send our way. We will tell everyone who you are and what you are about. And if it comes down to more planes in our buildings or people blowing themselves up where we gather, then we'll bring our tanks, our gunships and our nukes and fight fire with fire. But before that time comes, I will pray for you at Mass today, brother, that you will have the veil lifted from your eyes and that your tortured soul will receive the peace and love that you crave and the solice that only Our Lord, Jesus Christ can give you.

To Reza,

More proof that Islam is a religion of peace and love. Satanic verses...indeed.

You know it's funny...as Christians, we would have been frustrated if someone said something against our religion. We probably would have gotten angry, but then we would have prayed for the guy.
Look at the offensive remarks made about Ronald Reagan this past week. For those of us who respected and loved the man, the comments put forth by Christopher Hitchens and Ted Rall were despicable. But we are not going to kill these guys.
Your horror over Rushdie's remarks are puzzling. Could it be that there is some truth to what he says and if people find out they won't want to be part of your sad excuse for a religion? Oh, I forgot. If they don't stay, you'll just kill them. Do you not see how insane this is? By your very remarks you prove that your god is a Satanic one. Only a Satanic god would kill those who oppose it. The God of Truth and Justice allows free will. You can do every nasty thing you can think of and the True God defends your ability to do it. Perhaps your god is a week and ineffective one, hence you and your fellow Moslems must lash out, must kill their opposition,(can anyone say Joseph Stalin?) and must keep women down because they are smarter than you. Those of us in America are waking up to the threat that you send our way. We will tell everyone who you are and what you are about. And if it comes down to more planes in our buildings or people blowing themselves up where we gather, then we'll bring our tanks, our gunships and our nukes and fight fire with fire. But before that time comes, I will pray for you at Mass today, brother, that you will have the veil lifted from your eyes and that your tortured soul will receive the peace and love that you crave and the solice that only Our Lord, Jesus Christ can give you.

To Reza,

More proof that Islam is a religion of peace and love. Satanic verses...indeed.

You know it's funny...as Christians, we would have been frustrated if someone said something against our religion. We probably would have gotten angry, but then we would have prayed for the guy.
Look at the offensive remarks made about Ronald Reagan this past week. For those of us who respected and loved the man, the comments put forth by Christopher Hitchens and Ted Rall were despicable. But we are not going to kill these guys.
Your horror over Rushdie's remarks are puzzling. Could it be that there is some truth to what he says and if people find out they won't want to be part of your sad excuse for a religion? Oh, I forgot. If they don't stay, you'll just kill them. Do you not see how insane this is? By your very remarks you prove that your god is a Satanic one. Only a Satanic god would kill those who oppose it. The God of Truth and Justice allows free will. You can do every nasty thing you can think of and the True God defends your ability to do it. Perhaps your god is a week and ineffective one, hence you and your fellow Moslems must lash out, must kill their opposition,(can anyone say Joseph Stalin?) and must keep women down because they are smarter than you. Those of us in America are waking up to the threat that you send our way. We will tell everyone who you are and what you are about. And if it comes down to more planes in our buildings or people blowing themselves up where we gather, then we'll bring our tanks, our gunships and our nukes and fight fire with fire. But before that time comes, I will pray for you at Mass today, brother, that you will have the veil lifted from your eyes and that your tortured soul will receive the peace and love that you crave and the solice that only Our Lord, Jesus Christ can give you.

reza,
It has been proven many times on these pages, you do not know the koran, and on top of that you think we are iliterate stinking muslims who believe all that is said. Guess what pig boy, we DO know the koran, and we DO know the degenerate religion you claim to know.
Please go and preach to your iliterate brothers, we are educated and understanding of you vile, disgusting paedophiliac religion.

May there be many more Srebenicias

i speak and read arabic (born, raised, work in ME) and I and many other arab christians have read the koran. My statement above about eradicating the muslims is widely dreamed about and hoped for. Funny how the open minded educated muslims convert to christianity and only the ignorant muslims who can not read, but are taught the koran abide by its vile sayings.

I shall not get into a theological argument with you. If you are indeed interested in learning the truth, you should consult an imam. (There are a number of web sites to which you can direct your questions, for example, www.sistani.org (Shia).) I will note here only that there is not universal agreement on the authenticity of hadiths, particularly those compiled by Burhari and Tabari.

Note also that I could play the same games with your bible. But were I to quote verses in isolation that instruct you not to "suffer a witch to live", ordering the stoning of blasphemers by the entire tribe, or ordering the death of homosexuals, you would tell me that those verses were "abrogated" by the New Testament, and you would demand that I not take fragmentary text from context. I will not play that game, nor will I allow you to do so.

Allahu akbar

If islam is such a great conductor for thinkers, why is it that there are 16.000.000 jews and 1.2 billion muslims, yet the jews have won more than 170 noble prizes, and the muslims 6. including the theft by arafat in 1994. HMMM, who are the great muslim thinkers, non.

Rashdi was correct, mohammed was a paedophile and he was a gigolo. Historicaly proven. If muhammed was alive today, he would be in jail where this vile, disgusting monster deserves to be.

reza,
one important point you neglect, we (christians) today do not follow the offensive verses of the bible, muslims DO continue to follow and adhire to the offensive and dangerous verses of the koran. Islam needs to come into the modern age, it shall not because any muslim that promotes modernization is fatwa for death. It need to be eradicated like a disease.

Reza;

Please could you answer me this one question;
Why does allah need men to kill for him on his behalf??
Is he unable to act??
Does he have no power???
Could he just not send a lightening bolt to destroy the one who mocked him???

As a Christian, if someone mocked Jesus or the things He said, it would cut to my heart, I would try and show them the truth but if they carried on, I would turn, wipe the dust off my feet, and walk away.
He has no need for me to defend him.
That suggestion is proposterous.

If I had a lion and a gang of loud mouthed teenagers came and mocked him, poked him with sticks etc.. would I need to stand in between them and take revenge for the lion??
NO!!

So what's the deal with allah?

It seems like theres only one conclusion to me...

From Reza:

"Let us remember just how despicable were Salman Rushdie's crimes. First, he announced his apostasy from Islam publically by releasing a written statement to the press."

Ah, yes, well there it is isn't it -- in your own words -- absolute proof of why Islam requires secular reform if the world is to ever know peace -- how many of you knew that it is a law across all of Islam to condemn to DEATH anyone that denounces Islam and becomes agnostic, atheist or converts to another religion -- in other words, to become an APOSTATE (by leaving a religion).

Reza, your arguments are fruitless. Continue to show such an example of the Muslim to us all, one that I can tell is not stupid and not uneducated, and all you are doing is giving us more evidence as to just how blind the majority of Muslims, especially even the intellectuals amongst you, must truly be to the true nature of PEACE, TOLERANCE and LOVE.

There would be thousand of Rushdies in the world of Islam tomorrow if they knew they would be free of a DEATH SENTENCE!

Deny that, if you can.

Let then, the Persia/Iranian clergy chew on this:

Daniel 10:13 sqq., Gabriel says to Daniel, when he asks God to permit the Jews to return to Jerusalem:

"The Angel [D.V. prince] of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me . . . and, behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me . . . and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince"

Foehammer

reza said, “Rushdie is therefore, by his own admission, guilty of both apostasy and blashphemy.”

It has to be a real religion before these two acts are any sort of crime, not just a death cult like islam. Besides, humans have a God given right to change their mind about what they believe in, and if they insult the Great Architect, let him deal with the blasphemer in his own way. You presume too much to act as an agent of God, an act which itself is a serious sin.

“Your grandchildren will be islamic apostates and blasphemers of mohamed.”

people,
reza is no muslim. he reads the senitized western version of islam. he may be a convert wanna be, but no muslim.

do not give him credit, he does not deserve our time. There are other muslims on these pages that even though they preach hate, they do know what the actual sayings of the koran are.

reza,
thought I would make your day, I am wearing a short skirt, and yes my legs are shaved.

reza said, “Note also that I could play the same games with your bible. But were I to quote verses in isolation that instruct you not to "suffer a witch to live", ordering the stoning of blasphemers by the entire tribe, or ordering the death of homosexuals,”

Learn to get out of the 7th century reza, we did.

Only when you leave behind these archaic writings of a raving lunatic will you progress. Have you ever wondered why Saudi Arabia needs all those Westerners to run her affairs? Because all the Saudi students are taking “islamic Studies” instead of engineering or business management, or medicine or accounting or even learning how to clean their own houses. islamic studies will not help Saudi Arabia one bit. If the islamothugs manage to chase the Westerners out of the kingdom, it will collapse. But at least they will have lots of preachers there to tell them its god’s will.

allah akbar my butt.

“Your grandchildren will be time travelers, from the 7th to the 21st century.”

I wonder if Reza belongs to Tehreek e jafaria
in Pakistan and goes to the recently bombed out
Imambargah.

Reza,

You just don't get it do you? You guys have sown the seeds of your own demise. You cannot even interpret yor own "religous" texts without contradicting yourselves. There is a backlash coming in this country, against Islam's intolerant and murdeous ways......you've only yourselves to blame. Personaly, I can't wait.

The mulsums are upset that they were exposed!!! and before the could put their evil plan to work!

Raza is proof we can not get along they belive if you change your mind they have to kill you and we see what happened in Nigera when they had to move the Beauty padgent what 1200 people died yes Christains died because they did not like what was said about mo-ham-od Well we Americans pick on every bodt so it will be kill or be killed? and what do you think the American people will Pick? I bet it will be Kill!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

How many 80yr old mulsums would sky dive?

Americans Balls of steal and Harder!!!

oikonomakis to reza,
"thought I would make your day, I am wearing a short skirt and yes, my legs are shaved"

OIK???????????????????????

I think if I saw this, it'd make my day! ;-)

SusanB

Susan B said "OIK???????????????????????

I think if I saw this, it'd make my day! ;-)

SusanB"

Ok Susan B, No flirting on this site! Stick to the program! hehehe...

"Your grandchildren will flirt with other religions and rational thought."

There is perhaps another reason Ayatollah Khomeini condemned Rushdie to death. No one ever comments on it, probably because no one ever actually reads the novel - from muslims themselves who have the worst illiteracy rate in the world next to subsharan Africa, to dhimmi/deconstructionist literary critics who can't be bothered to deviate from their cultural self loathing party line.

It has been years since I read the "Satanic Verses", but I distinctly recall passages that mocked a medieval imam who chose to live in ignorance and hatred while exiled in a beshuttered Parisian estate where he connived to destroy the world that hosted him and his own homeland that had betrayed him. The series climaxes in a fantastic description of a giant flaming imam head chewing to bits unending formations of youth from his homeland marching as ignorant martyrs to the slaughter.

Undoubtedly the character represents the Ayatollah himself. No wonder he wanted Rushdie dead. The wonderfull author exposed both the lies of Muhammed and the caliphs.

Canuck,

Sorry, I just got this picture.......

Oik in a skirt, shaved legs and combat boots, ak47 on his hip!!! Cigar hanging out of his mouth.

Sorry, it just took me for a second.

Now you know, you'd want to see the pictures too!!

Your children will be proud to have such a strong father.

There is no virtue in a religion that can not undergo scrutiny and questioning. Blind obedience is not virtue. Faith that is not tested is not virtue. Rushdie decided to test his faith and found it wanting. For this he was condemned to death. This is not an example of justice.
Those that condemned him to death contracted murder and those that attempt to carry out the sentence are nothing more than murderers. There is no such thing as "holy murder," Condemnation by man is not "holy," but are profaned and evil acts. Evil done in the "name of God" is the greatest sin of all.

You should note also, when reading the Koran, that there are many things taken from Christian belief -- even an Apocalyptic version of Jesus Christ who Islam believes will come down to Earth, break all crosses and give them victory over the Jews.

You should note most of all, the reason Muhammad drew upon Christianity so often for imagery and rhetoric to suit his needs: one of his cousins was a Christian -- and that's where many people believe he got the whole idea to start Islam in the first place.

There's a reason why Islam refers to Muhammad as "The Prophet" so often: the oldest rule in the world is -- if you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it.

The worst part of that is when the liar starts to believe it himself.

I become convinced more than ever each day, the more I learn of Islam, that Muhammad was a false prophet and for stating that notion any member of Islam will say he has a right to kill me.

This system of beliefs called Islam has so much to answer for -- and they seem so intent on bloodshed, that in the words of Ulysses S. Grant:

"I have never advocated war except as a means of peace."

Personally, I'm advocating war right now. The longer we wait, the more damn WMDs these maniacs will possess and we already know that they will use them.

The truth about what Mulsums believe??
Read and learn about the peace they bring to your door??

Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.” Tabari VII:150 “I had tied my prisoner’s thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. ‘Well done!’ he said, and prayed for me to be blessed.”
Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”
Tabari VIII:22 “Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans’ throats. So I said: ‘Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him.”
Tabari VIII:22/Ishaq:458 “‘Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,’ Hassan said. ‘You know that I am not the man to do it.’ When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, ‘Hassan, go down to him and strip him—only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.’ Hassan replied, ‘I have no need for his spoils.’”
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.” Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:90 “Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, ‘Is this sword of yours sharp?’ ‘Yes,’ he replied. ‘May I look at it?’ Basir asked. ‘If you wish.’ Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, ‘Your Companion has killed my friend.’ While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, ‘Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.’” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V5B59N360 “The total number of Muslim fighters from Mecca who fought at Badr and were given a share of the booty, were 81. When their shares were distributed, their number was 101. But Allah knows it better.”
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
Tabari VII:65 “Allah’s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah’s possession. There was a similar number of dead.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
Ishaq:515 “Allah’s Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property.”
Tabari VIII:128 “Khaybar was divided among the people who had been at Hudaybiyah.”
Ishaq:521 “Khaybar was apportioned among the men of Hudaybiyah without regard to whether they were present at Khaybar or not. The spoil was divided into 1,800 shares.”
Ishaq:521 “When the spoil of Khaybar was apportioned, the settlements of Shaqq and Nata were given to the Muslims while Katiba was divided into five sections: Allah’s fifth [which Muhammad was custodian]; the Prophet’s fifth; the share to the kindred [Muhammad’s kin]; maintenance of the Prophet’s wives [now there’s an honest report]; and payment to the men who acted as intermediaries in the peace negotiation with Fadak [which enabled the prophet to steal the entire spoil].”
Ishaq:522 “Then the Apostle distributed the booty between his relatives, his wives, and to other men and women. He gave his daughter Fatima 200 shares, Ali 100, Usama 250, Aisha 200, Bakr 100…. In the name of Allah—this is a memorandum of what Muhammad the Apostle gave his wives from the dates and wheat: 180 loads.”
Bukhari:V5B59N537 “Allah’s Apostle divided the war booty with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier.”
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 9:103 “Take alms out of their property in order to cleanse and purify them, and invoke Allah for them; surely this is a relief for them.”
Tabari IX:3 “Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.”
Tabari IX:13 “Abu Talhah alone took the spoils of twenty men whom he had killed.”
Ishaq:571 “I went up to a man and struck off his hand. He fell and I killed him while he was down. But I was too occupied with fighting to pay any more attention to him. So one of the Meccan Muslims passed by and stripped him. Then when the fighting was over and we had finished with the enemy, the Apostle said that anyone who had killed a foe could have his spoil. I told the Apostle that I had killed a man who was worth stripping but had been too busy killing others at the time to notice who had spoiled him. Abu Bakr said, “To Allah’s lions who fight for His religion go the spoils that come from their prey. Return the booty to the man who killed him.’ The Apostle confirmed Abu Bakr’s words. So I was given the property of the man whom I had killed. I sold it and bought a small palm grove with the money. It was the first property I ever owned.”
Ishaq:592 “The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘Muhammad, divide the spoil and booty of camels and cattle among us.’ They forced the Prophet up against a tree, and his robe was torn from him. Muhammad cried, ‘Give me back my robe. If there had been more sheep I would have given you some. You have not found me to be niggardly, cowardly or false.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘You have not found me miserly, cowardly, or a liar.’ Then he walked over to his camel and took a hair from its hump. Holding it aloft in his fingers he said, ‘Men, I do not have anything of your booty, not even as much as this hair. Just filth. And that filth is what is being given to you. So, bring back my cloak.’”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”
Bukhari:V4B53N373 “Allah’s Apostle got property and war prisoners and gave them to some people to the exclusion of others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, ‘I give to some people, lest they should deviate from Islam or lose patience.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?”
Tabari IX:37/Ishaq:596 “Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
Tabari IX:38 “In this year, the Messenger sent Amr to collect the zakat tax from Jayfar and Amr, the clans of Julanda and Azd.... He collected the jizyah from the Zoroastrians.”
Tabari IX:74 “Indeed, Allah has guided you with His guidance. If you wish to do well [capture booty], obey Allah and His Messenger. You must perform the prayers, pay the zakat tax, and give a fifth share of Allah’s booty to His Messenger. The required zakat is: from the land one tenth of that watered by springs and rain, and one twentieth of that watered by the leathern bucket. From camels, a milch camel for every forty camels, and a young male camel for every thirty camels. From sheep, one for every five camels; and from cows, one from every fourth… If anyone pays more, it is to his credit. He who professes this, bears witness to his Islam and helps the faithful [fight] against the polytheists, he has the protection of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:76 “The Messenger has sent Zur’ah and his Companions to you. ‘I commend them to your care. Collect the zakat and jizyah from your districts and hand the money over to my messengers.’ The Prophet is the master of your rich and your poor.”
Ishaq:564 “The Muslims stole our goods and divided them. Their spears pierced us not once but twice. Their squadrons came at us like a swarm of locusts. Were it not for the religion of Muhammad’s people, their cavalry would never have attacked us.”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “When the Prophet died, Arabs reverted to disbelief. Umar said, ‘Should we fight these people?’ Bakr said, ‘By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat, as Zakat is to be taken from property according to Allah’s Orders. If they refuse to pay me even so little as a kid they used to pay, I will fight with them for withholding it.’”
Qur’an 59:6 “What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger He has taken away from them [the Jews]. For this you made no raid. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whomsoever He wills. Whatever booty Allah has given to His Messenger and taken away from the [Jewish] people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Messenger.... So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.”
Tabari VII:26 “In this year Muhammad ordered people to pay the zakat tax. It is said that the Prophet commanded them to do this.”
Ishaq:309 “‘Bind Abu Aziz tight for his mother is rich and she may ransom him for a great deal of money.’”
Tabari VII:71 “Among the captives was Abu Wada. Muhammad said, ‘He has a son who is a shrewd merchant with much money.” [The son] “slipped away at night, went to Medina, ransomed his father for 4,000 dirhams.”
Ishaq:312 “The Prophet said, ‘Abbas, you must ransom yourself, your two nephews, Aqil and Nawfal, and your confederate, Utbah, for you are a wealthy man.’ ‘Muhammad,’ Abbas said, ‘I was a Muslim, but the people compelled me to fight against my will.’ Allah knows best concerning your Islam,’ Muhammad said. ‘As for your outward appearance, you have been against us, so pay to ransom yourself.’ The Messenger had previously taken twenty ounces of gold from him following the battle. So Abbas said, ‘Credit me with this amount towards my ransom.’ ‘No,’ Muhammad replied. ‘That money Allah has already taken from you and given to us.’”
Ishaq:313 “The Muslims told Abu Sufyan to pay them a ransom to free his son, Amr. He replied, ‘Am I to suffer the double loss of my blood and my money? After you have killed my son Hanzala, you want me to pay you a ransom to save Amr?’”
Bukhari:V5B59N357 “The Badr warriors were given five thousand dirhams each, yearly. Umar [the future Caliph] said, ‘I will always give them more than what I will give to others.’”
Tabari VII:80 “When the events of Badr were over, Allah revealed the 8th surah, ‘The Spoils of War,’ in its entirety. The two armies met [there were no armies—just merchants and militants] and Allah defeated the Meccans [with Muslim swords]. Seventy of them were killed, and seventy were taken captive. Abu Bakr said, ‘O Prophet of Allah, these are your people, your family; they are your cousins, fellow clansmen, and nephews. I think that you should accept ransoms for them so that what we take from them will strengthen us.’” Tabari VII:81 “‘What do you think Khattab?’ Muhammad asked. ‘I say you should hand them over to me so that I can cut off their heads. Thus Allah will know that there is no leniency in our hearts toward the unbelievers.’ The Messenger liked what Bakr said and did not like what I said, and accepted ransoms for the captives.”
Ishaq:316 “On the Badr expedition, the Messenger took the sword of Dhu al-Faqar as booty. It had belonged to Munabbih. On that day he also took Abu Jahl’s camel as booty. It was a Mahri dromedary on which he used to go on raids. It is said that he wrote ‘Ma’aqil’ [Blood-Money] on his sword.”
Qur’an 8:1 “They question you about (windfalls taken as) spoils of war. Say: ‘Booty is at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger; they belong to Us and are for Our benefit. So fear Allah, and adjust your way of thinking in this matter. Obey Allah and His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:321 “The Spoils of War surah was handed down because we quarreled about the booty. So Allah took it away from us and gave it to His Apostle. When He did, we learned to fear Allah and obey his Messenger.... For in truth, our army had gone out with the Prophet seeking the caravan because we wanted its booty.”
Ishaq:324 “Allah taught them how to divide the spoil. He made it lawful and said, ‘A fifth of the booty belongs to the Apostle.’
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”
Qur’an 8:68 “Had it not been for a previous agreement from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that you took as booty.”
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”
Bukhari:V4B52N276 “By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, ‘The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.’”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us. Allah’s Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders —giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast.”
Tabari VIII:39 “Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa’d bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms.”
Ishaq:503 “Allah saw what was in their hearts [what they coveted] so he rewarded them with victory and with as much spoil as they could take. Allah promised that they would soon capture a great deal of booty.”
Ishaq:508/Tabari VIII:91 “Abu Jandal, Suhayl’s son, escaped and joined Abu Basir. Nearly seventy Muslim men gathered around them and they harassed the Quraysh. Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods.”
Tabari VIII:93 “According to Waqidi, in this month, the Messenger sent out Ukkashah with forty men to raid Ghamr. He traveled quickly, but the enemy became aware and fled. He sent out scouts and they captured a spy who guided them to some of their cattle. They took two hundred head back to Medina.”
Tabari IX:28 “The Muslims were concerned. They did not want to give up their share. So Muhammad said, ‘He who holds a share of these captives shall get six camels for every slave from the next booty we take.’ So the Muslims returned the women and children captives.”
Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

PEACE, ISLAM STYLE:
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”
Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”
Tabari VII:86 “Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: ‘If you apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations).’ When Gabriel had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, ‘I fear the Banu Qaynuqa.’ It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced upon them.”
Tabari VII:158 “Judayy went to Abd Allah Ibn Ubayy to ask for support. He said, ‘I found him sitting among a number of his companions while the Prophet’s crier was calling men to arms. He said, ‘This is a clever trick of Muhammad’s.’ The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not kill them and that their property and their coats of mail would be his.”
Tabari VII:159 “The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir for fifteen days until he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a camel and a water-skin.”
Tabari VII:159 “The Prophet fought them until he made peace with them on condition that they evacuated Yathrib. He expelled them to Syria but allowed them to keep what their camels could carry, except for their coats of mail and weapons.”
Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an 97:5 “There is peace until the dawning of the day!”
Ishaq:515 “When the people of Fadak heard what had happened, they sent word to the Messenger, asking him to banish them and spare their lives, saying they too would leave him their property. When the people of Khaybar surrendered on these conditions, the survivors asked Muhammad to employ them on their farms for a half share of whatever they produced. They said, ‘We know more about farming [seeing that you are terrorists and all].’ So Muhammad made peace with them for a half share, provided that: ‘If we want to expel you, we may.’ He made a similar arrangement with Fadak. So Khaybar became the prey of the Muslims, while Fadak belonged exclusively to the Messenger of Allah, becoming his personal property, because the Muslims had not attacked its people with cavalry.”
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
Tabari VIII:104 “Peace to whoever follows the right guidance! To proceed; Submit yourself, and you shall be safe.’”
Qur’an 49:9 “If two parties among the Believers fall into fighting, make peace: but if one becomes aggressive, then fight against the one that transgresses until it complies.”
Tabari VIII:142 “The Messenger made peace with them on condition that the Zoroastrians should be required to pay the jizyah tax [so onerous, it’s akin to economic suicide] that one should not marry their women.”
Qur’an 9:7 “How can there be a covenant between Allah and His Messenger and the disbelievers with whom you made a treaty near the sacred Mosque?” Qur’an 9:8 “How (can there be such a treaty), seeing that they get an advantage, the upper hand over you? They do not pay you respect, or honor you or the ties of kinship or covenant. With (good words from) their mouths they entice you [out negotiate you], but their hearts are averse to you.”
Qur’an 9:12 “If they violate their oaths and break treaties, taunting you for your Religion, then fight these specimens of faithlessness.”
Tabari VIII:163 “The Prophet said, ‘I think you will see Abu Sufyan [the leading Meccan merchant] come to strengthen the pact and extend the term.’” Ishaq:543 “Abu Sufyan went to Muhammad in Medina to affirm the peace treaty, but Muhammad refused to speak to him.” Tabari VIII:164 “Sufyan went to Abu Bakr and asked him to intercede, but he refused. When Sufyan asked Umar to help [avert war], he replied, ‘No way. By Allah, if I had only ant grubs, I would fight you with them! Ali said, ‘Woe to you, Sufyan. When the Messenger has determined a thing it is useless for anyone to talk to him.’”
Tabari VIII:165 “There is nothing that you can do to make peace with him.”
Tabari VIII:165 “When Abu Sufyan reported back to the Quraysh that Muhammad had given him no reply, they said, ‘Woe to you! By Allah, he did no more than play with you.’”
Ishaq:544 “Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, ‘O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.’”
Tabari VIII:182 “Allah had enabled Muhammad to take the persons of the Quraysh by force, giving him power over them so they were his booty. Their lives were now his spoil.”
Ishaq:552 “When the populace settled down, Muhammad went to the Ka’aba and compassed it seven times on his camel, touching the Black Stone with a stick. Then he went inside the Temple. There he found a dove made of wood. He broke it in his hands and threw it away.” [The first idol Muhammad broke was the international symbol of peace.]
Tabari IX:58 “When the Messenger reached Tabuk the governor of Aylah [a seaport at the north end of the Gulf of Aqabah] came to him, made a treaty, and agreed to pay the jizyah tax. The people of Jarba and Adhruh also offered to pay him the tax.”
Ishaq:607 “The Byzantines encountered the Messenger’s cavalry which was led by Khalid. Ukaydir was seized and his brother Hassan was killed. Muhammad spared his life and made peace with him on the condition that he pay the zakat tax.”
Tabari IX:79 “In this year the zakat was made obligatory, and the Messenger dispatched his agents to collect it. The verse was revealed: ‘Take the zakat from their wealth to purify them.’”
Ishaq:316 “In peace you are wild asses—rough and coarse. And in war you are like women wearing corsets. But I care not so long as my hand can grasp my trusty blade.”
Qur’an 8:61 “But if the enemy inclines toward peace, do you (also) incline to peace, and trust in Allah. Should they intend to deceive or cheat you, verily Allah suffices: He strengthened you with His aid and with Believers.” [The small print is real important. “Should they intend to deceive or cheat” is an open invitation to invoke 8:57 to 60. The first to interpret this surah said:]
Ishaq:326 “If they ask you for peace on the basis of Islam (submission), make peace on that basis. Be of one mind by His religion.”
Tabari VIII:17 “The Muslims and polytheists stayed in their positions for twenty nights with no fighting except for the shooting of arrows and the siege. When the trial became great for the people, the Messenger sent for the leaders of the Ghatafan [Meccan comrades]. He offered them a third of the date harvest of Medina on condition that they leave. The truce between the sides progressed to the point of drawing up a written document, but there was no witnessing or firm determination to make peace; it was only a matter of maneuvering.”
Ishaq:454 “Now that Allah has conferred Islam on us, and made us famous, shall we give them our property? By Allah, we will offer them only the sword until Allah judges between us.’ ‘As you wish,’ said Allah’s Messenger.”
Tabari VIII:100 “Abu Sufyan said, ‘We were merchants but the fighting between us and Muhammad has prevented us from journeying, so our wealth is depleted. [This is the purpose of terrorism.] Even after the truce with the Muslims, we fear that we still are not safe. [Muslims, continuing to plunder Meccan caravans, violated the treaty twenty times.]’”
Qur’an 4:90 “For those who join a group between you and whom there is a treaty, or (those who become) weary of fighting you, had Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. Therefore if they withdraw and wage not war, and send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah has not given you a way (to war) against them.” [The purpose of terror is to cause people to become so “weary of fighting” they surrender.]
Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.” [So if you wish to live in peace, but are perceived as being mischievous (i.e., non-Muslim), Allah has given his Jihad warriors “a clear sanction and authority to seize and kill” you.]
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PEACEFUL MUSLIM HYPOCRITES:
Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”
Qur’an 48:17 “There is no blame for the blind, nor is it a sin for the lame, nor on one ill if he joins not in the fighting. But he who retreats, (Allah) will punish him with a painful doom.”
Qur’an 4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”
Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”
Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Qur’an 47:20 “Those who believe say, ‘How is it that no surah was sent down (for us)?’ But when a categorical [decisive or uncompromising] surah is revealed, and fighting and war (Jihad, holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) are ordained, you will see those with diseased hearts looking at you (Muhammad) fainting unto death. Therefore woe unto them!”
Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”
Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”
Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”
Qur’an 9:16 “Do you think you will get away before Allah knows who among you have striven hard and fought?”
Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”
Qur’an 9:43 “May Allah forgive you (Muhammad). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind; you should have persisted as regards to your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until you had known the liars.”
Qur’an 9:44 “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.”
Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those [peace-loving Muslims] who do wrong and are wicked.”
Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”
Qur’an 9:67 “The Hypocrites enjoin what is forbidden, and forbid what Islam commands. They withhold their hands (from spending in Allah’s Cause [Jihad]). They have forgotten Allah so He has forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are oblivious, rebellious and perverse.”
Qur’an 9:68 “Allah has promised the Hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell for their abode: Therein shall they dwell. It will suffice them. On them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment, a lasting torment.”
Qur’an 9:74 “The Hypocrites swear by Allah that they said nothing, but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they disbelieved after Surrender (accepting Islam). They meditated a plot (to murder Prophet Muhammad) which they were unable to carry out. The reason for this revenge of theirs was the bounty [of booty] with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back, Allah will punish them with a grievous torment in this life and in the Hereafter.”
Qur’an 9:75 “Some of you made a deal with Allah, saying, ‘If You give us booty we shall pay You the tax.’ But when He gave them booty, they became greedy and refused to pay. As a consequence of breaking their promises, Allah filled their hearts with hypocrisy which will last forever.”
Qur’an 9:77 “He punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they lied to Allah and failed to perform as promised. Allah knows their secrets. Those who slander and taunt the believers who pay the zakat (for Allah’s Cause) voluntarily and throw ridicule on them, scoffing, Allah will throw back their taunts, and they shall have a painful doom. Whether you ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable). If you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them.”
Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back (from the campaign) to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them (Muhammad) that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”
Qur’an 9:85 “And let not their wealth or (following in) sons dazzle you or excite your admiration. Allah’s plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and to make sure their souls perish while they are unbelievers. When a surah comes down enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask you for exemption from Jihad. They prefer to be with (their women), who remain behind (at home). Their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives (in Allah’s Cause).”
Qur’an 9:90 “And there were among the wandering desert Arabs men who made excuses and came to claim exemption (from the battle). Those who lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home. Soon will a grievous torment seize them.”
Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
Qur’an 9:101 “Among the desert Arabs are hypocrites. They, like the people of Medina are obstinate in hypocrisy. We know them. Twice shall We punish them, and in addition they shall be brought back to a horrible torment.”
Qur’an 9:120 “It is not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause), nor to prefer their own lives to his life. They suffer neither thirst nor fatigue in Allah’s Cause, no do they go without reward. They do not take steps to raise the anger of disbelievers, nor inflict any injury upon an enemy without it being written to their credit as a deed of righteousness.”
Tabari IX:13 “Muhammad turned to see Umm, a pregnant woman, who said, ‘O Messenger! Kill those [Muslims] who flee from you as you kill those who fight you, for they deserve death. Here is my dagger. If any come near me I will rip them up and slit open their belly with it.’”
Tabari IX:49 “One of the hypocrites, feeling an aversion to battle, being skeptical of the truth, and spreading false rumors about Muhammad, said that they should not go out in the heat. With regard to him, Allah revealed: ‘They said, “Do not march out in the heat.” Say, “The heat of hell is far more intense.”’”
Ishaq:602 “Jadd told Muhammad, ‘Will you allow me to stay behind and not tempt me? Everyone knows that I am strongly addicted to women. I’m afraid that I’ll see Byzantine women and will not be able to control myself.’ The Apostle gave him permission to remain behind. It was about him that Allah sent down: ‘There are some who say: “Give me leave to stay behind and do not tempt me.” Surely they have fallen into temptation already and hell encompasses these unbelievers.’ (9:49) It was not that he feared the temptation from the Byzantine women. The temptation he had fallen into was greater in that he had hung back from the Apostle and sought to please himself rather than Muhammad. Verily hell awaits him.”
Ishaq:603 “One of the estranged ones said to another, ‘Don’t go out to fight in this heat.’ He disliked strenuous war, doubted the truth, and created misgivings about the Apostle. So Allah sent down regarding them, ‘And they said, “Do not go out in this heat.” Say, “The fires of hell are hotter. Let them laugh a little now for they will weep a great deal later as a reward for what they did.’” (5:82)
Ishaq:603 “Some Bedouins came to apologize for not going into battle, but Allah would not accept their excuses.”
Ishaq:246 “The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them. So Allah sent down, “Have you not considered the Hypocrites who say to their brethren, the People of the Book [Jews], ‘We shall never obey anyone against you. If you are attacked and driven out we will help you. Allah bears witness that they are liars.’”
Qur’an 59:11 “Have you not observed the Hypocrites saying to their unbelieving brethren among the People of the Book, ‘If you are expelled [from your homes by the Muslims], we will go with you?’ But Allah is witness that they are liars. If the Jews are expelled, never will the Hypocrites go with them; if they are attacked, they will not help them defend themselves. In truth you [jihadist Muslims] are more fearful and awful (than they) because they are afraid of you. This is a result of the terror (sent) by Allah. They are men devoid of understanding.” Qur’an 59:14 “They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell.”
Qur’an 8:20 “O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. Do not turn away from him when you hear him speak. Do not be like those who say, ‘We hear,’ but do not listen. Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless. If Allah had seen any good in them, He would have made them listen. And even if He had made them listen, they would but have turned away and declined submission.”
Qur’an 8:47 “Be not as those who came from their homes full of their own importance, trying to turn men away from [fighting] in Allah’s Cause. Allah is encircling them. Satan made their acts seem alluring to them, and said: ‘No one can conquer you this day, while I am near you.’ But when the two armies came in sight of each other, he turned on his heels, and said: ‘Lo! I am not with you. I see what you cannot. Verily, I fear Allah: for Allah is severe in punishment.’”
Qur’an 8:49 “When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘The religion has deceived and misled them.’”
Qur’an 8:55 “Verily the worst of creatures, the vilest of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him and will not believe. They are those with whom you make an agreement, but they break their covenant every time, and they keep not their duty [to fight].”
Qur’an 61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”
Qur’an 63:1 “When the Hypocrites come to you they say, ‘We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah.’ Allah knows you are His Messenger, and Allah bears witness the Hypocrites are indeed liars.” Qur’an 63:2 “They have made their oaths a screen, thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds. That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts.”
Qur’an 63:4 “When you look at the Hypocrites, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are pieces of wood propped up. They think every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah is on them! Allah will destroy them. How are they deluded and perverted?” Qur’an 63:6 “It is equal to them whether you ask forgiveness or not. Allah will never forgive them. Allah does not forgive the transgressing people.”
Qur’an 63:7 “The Hypocrites are the ones who say, ‘Spend nothing on those who are with Allah’s Messenger so that they will desert him.’ But to Allah belong the treasures of the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not. They say, ‘If we return to Medina, surely the more honorable (element) will expel the meaner (i.e., Muhammad).’”
Ishaq:372 ““When he went out, Abd Allah bin Ubayy [the man who had advised against leaving town] came back with 300 men, saying, ‘We do not know why we should get ourselves killed here.’ So he went back to Medina with the Hypocrites and doubters who followed him. Abd Allah bin Amr said, ‘Allah curse you, enemies of Allah.
Where were you when the cut the head of Mr. Burg off and where were you when the mulsums dragged and burned 4 Americans and hung them and Danced with joy?

I don't remember any sorrys from you?

We don't believe you are helping find the terrorist killers they want to kill your kind too? The Mulsums are sending Mulsums to kill Iraqi People what are you doing about it?

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight With he give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Forgot what I was looking for and ran across this!

Why we all loke Bob
James brown still laughing LOL

Why would you realy go through all that trouble to prove someone wrong...”

Actually Jordan, I went through all the trouble of reading Jen’s comments because she bothered to post them. If she did not want them examined with a critical eye, perhaps she should source them more carefully.

Is my life pointless? I like to think not, and because of that, I try to stand for what I believe in. Apparently, resolve isn’t admired much any more in some circles.

If you look back into how this evolved, Jen jumped onto this thread and attacked someone, saying they were “exactly like Hitler” and that they are ignorant and rude.

She then goes on a political tirade without any discernible reason, denigrating the Commander in Chief of our armed forces during a time of war, and starts spouting inflammatory political rhetoric and conspiracy theories that would make Oliver Stone giddy. It was then, and only then, that I stepped in with facts that shot her rants down.

When confronted with facts that belayed her ridiculous assertions, Jen tried to play victim, then turned passive aggressive, and now tries to play nice to get along.

Personally, I don’t think much one way of the other about Jen. She is probably a perfectly average human being.

My only interest in her was as a textbook example of a mouthpiece for liberal extremism. And so we danced. And she sure knows the steps.

Attack.
Retreat.
Whine about unfair treatment.
Change the subject.

Reza, mahmoud and Dina would applaud the footwork. They know this dance quite well.

Now that we see the whole cycle evolved in its entirety, it isn’t too hard to see the paralleling of tactics between Islamic zealots on one hand and liberals on the other, is it?

That, Jordan, is why it was worth my time.

Posted by: Bob Owens at June 3, 2004 01:42 AM

Was reading over some past posts from raza and mo-ham-od they don't fit? look like defferent people?
More female now?

Part of the Americam Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

REZA:

14th June is WORLD APOSTACY DAY. (It used to be 13th June but it's been changed for personal reasons.) This day is a day FOR ALL APOSTATES. Let's celebrate and validate them.
GO APOSTATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I were Salman Rushie I would reply 'Who was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iranians, me or the Ayatollahs?'

Also I'd like to ask them if them ever read Ayatollah Khomeini's book which said that it was okay to sodomize an infant girl, have sex with goats and have intercourse with your auntie if you fell on top of her when the house collapsed during an earthquake.

Susan B,
Thank you for the compliment but I prefer the HK MP5. I do believe I stole that line about the skirt from you, If it becomes famous I will pay royalties.

Phil read this!

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:42 a.m. EDT
WSJ: Precursor WMDs Stockpiled in Iraq
Far from being an isolated incident, yesterday's discovery in Iraq of an artillery shell filled with Sarin gas is just the tip of the iceberg of recently uncovered evidence that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program that was fully operational until the U.S. invaded in March 2003.
Tuesday's Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. inspectors have found within the last few months "warehouses full of commercial and agricultural chemicals," which, if mixed and packaged properly, "could quickly become chemical weapons."
U.S. forces in Karabala have also recently uncovered 55-gallon drums loaded with chemicals that were said to be "pesticide," some of which were stored in what military sources described as a "camouflaged bunker complex."
Why camouflage insect spray?
The alleged agricultural site just happened to be located alongside a military ammunition dump, reports Insight Magazine.
According to the Journal, Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer recently told Congress that some of Saddam's WMD facilities were newly built and contained "stockpiled" raw materials that would have allowed him to "produce such weapons on a moment's notice."
There's more.
In early April, Jordanian authorities foiled an al Qaida plot to kill 80,000 people in chemical weapons attack in Amman.
According to one of the conspirators whose confession was broadcast on Jordanian TV, al Qaida WMD specialist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was last seen in a chilling video beheading Nick Berg, trained and outfitted the WMD attackers in pre-war Iraq.
Like notorious terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, Zarqawi enjoyed sanctuary in Baghdad, courtesy of Saddam.
Jordanian TV coverage of the Zarqawi plot included video footage of hundreds of gallon jugs containing chemical weapons that had been intercepted 75 miles from the Syriian border, where much of Saddam's pre-war WMD stockpile is believes to have been hidden.
The Zarqawi revelation comes on the heels of the April 26 explosion at a suspected chemical weapons factory in Baghdad, just as a U.S. weapons team arrived to inspect its contents.
Disguised as a "perfume factory," investigators believe the facility was booby-trapped to destroy evidence of whatever was inside.
We won't be surprised if, in the coming weeks, more Sarin-laden shells are uncovered in Iraq. But in the meantime, the media focus on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has obscured that fact that the WMD case against Saddam is already compelling and continues to grow.

What more do you need one to go off in your back yard well then you might be dead if you have no attrepine and guess what you can't get that at your local drug store get on board be informed and tell others and YES the PRESS doesn't like Bush So you have to work a little harder!!

Part of the American Tribe

God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Posted by Catherine at June 11, 2004 09:10 PM

Oik,

Royalties go to Catherine, if your male, we still await the pictures.

Phil,
go to yahoo, then go to religion, I believe I saw a catagory for Ba'Hai, there.
Reza and Mahmoud, both just mimic what they read at Khilafah.com, they're just pathetic really.

This is out of England, go check it out, look through the archives, after you get done laughing at all the bs they post, just remember, this is one of their main sources for information.

No wonder they can't win an arguement.

KC & Everyone

Well said in your earlier remarks rebutting Reza. You make the Christian Apologetic writers proud. It seems to me we should take a cue from yourself and Hugh as to how to deal with these jihadists. Simple name calling will only play into their hands. It will fufill everything they hear about the west on Al Jazeera and other sympathetic jihadist media outlets. I am not naive enough to believe that reason or logic will change their minds but name calling certainly won't. I don't know what that accomplishes.

Sports and coaching sports has been a big part of my life. In his book, "You Win With People" the late great American football coach Woody Hayes always talked about knowing your adversary. Some might view Coach Hayes as a gruff disciplinarian but he was a very learned man, especially when it came to History. I have often thought some of our great coaches in American History would have made great leaders. Coach Hayes knew how to push the adversaries buttons.

I think the jihadists are pushing our buttons when we play this name calling game. The name calling takes the argument away from their hollow reasoning and puts it on us. I think we should sound a little less like Bevis and Butthead and a little more like KC and Hugh.

Sharon: I lived in the love-and-peace '60's and '70's, too, and almost got my glasses broken (and my nose with them) by a Pacifist incensed at my insinuation that Mao Zedong was a colonialist in Tibet and E. Turkistan.

"Thous shall not suffer a witch [_witch_, NOT eccentric old woman, unpopular person, oddball, kook, whatever] to live."

Well, if I had PROOF [not just some hysterical teenagers screaming and pointing--a la Salem, 1690-something] that there were people in my town calling demons out of hell to injure and kill their neighbors, I'd like those wiches hanged, too.

Also, I follow the offensive portions of the Bible as well as the inoffensive ones: if God so hated the sacrifice of infants that he ordered the extermination of the nation that practiced it [the Canaanites] and that should His own chosen people indulge in the practice He'd order the destruction of their nation, too, then I really tremble for my civilization.

BTW, I don't know any Canaanites living between the Sinai and Euphrates, so I'm not out to kill anyone living in that neighborhood. Only the 'So watch your own step,' part of the command against the Canaanites holds today.

You pathetic hypocrites !

When Europe persecute and indeed imprison those who dare and question the holocaust, it is OK, but when Muslims try to do the sama against a scumbag, you shout like RAPED APES !!

This scumbag is still alive and well while many western historians are now in prison for daring to write small articles questioning the holocaust !!

What a bunch of hypocrites !!

*ROFL* Saladin. We have pictures of the Holocaust. It's real. You don't have to be Jewish, or have Jewish heritage to understand that this actually occured and that it was horrible. How is the Holocaust and what one man WROTE in any way comparable? I'm waiting for the the fatwas to be called down on kc, Bob Owens, Hugh and myself. *tapping desk expectantly*

Saladin:

Can you please name me some of these holocaust deniers who are in prison? Which one is David Irving in?

By the way you call us 'raped apes', well rape does seem part of Islam, and so does calling Jews 'pigs'. It is written in the Koran that 'Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs'.

Salad, why exactly is Rushdie a scumbag again?

westword,
There is(with apologies to the few "just" believers left out there)no "Phil" but Phil, and "non-profit" is his only prophet.

Susan B.,

"He was no prophet, he was a talented liar."
How does one tell the difference?

Catherine,
Thanks, I must have passed that post up! I'm not too enthusiastic about WSJ based on and editorial they published about a year and a half ago that went badly a few weeks later...I'm going to cut-and-paste the article into my notes and continue to follow the story...I'll gladly be wrong about the WMD's if they find them all and destroy them - which is the best we can hope for. As long as there are people who are desperately trying to find WMD's to prove they exist, and people who are desperately trying find empty warehouses to prove they don't exist, any terrorists out there who might have something will be wasting too much time and resources keeping a step ahead to do a "plan and execution".

kc(england),
"Why does allah need men to kill for him on his behalf??
Is he unable to act??
Does he have no power???
Could he just not send a lightening bolt to destroy the one who mocked him???"

My cousin likes to ask a similar question of Christian fundamentalists (oh, boy, am I gonna hear it now)in this country...why does an omnipotent Being need society's apparent yahoos to tell me or anyone else "the truth" or accomplish the Being's will, which I have to assume includes subjugation of rule of law, funding African dictatorships through illegal diamond and gold trafficing,funding the IRA,and a host of other projects "...the Good Lord would do if He knew the facts of the case..."

I'm already sorry I posted it...oops! too late!

the more i read the parts of the koran the more im shoked, this cant be a religion? it talks of killing and killing? its ungodly!
compare that to the healer and peacemaker Jesus his words alone are amazing

It is ok for you to fine and imprison those who deny the holocaust, but not ok for muslims to do the same against scumbags like rushdie !!!

Holocaust denier Zundel to remain in jail

http://www.rickross.com/reference/supremacists/supremacists103.html

'Holocaust denier' misses legal payment

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1490327.stm

Canada: Holocaust denier's website banned

http://www.indexonline.org/news/20020127_canada.shtml

You are really SICK HYPOCRITES.

hi,

Shiitchat and ahlulbayt is NOT an Iranian website, it is a shiite website. Please don't confuse nationality with religion. I am Iranian and I think Salman Rushdie is brave for going against religious dogmatism and admire him. But I find his book hard to read. His vocabulary is strange to me maybe because he writes British style and my English isn't perfect. Islam kills people for their opinions. They are so shameless they don't even try to hide it. I am happy my parents left Islam long ago and I didn't have to be brought up like that. I don't have a religion. I guess they would kill me too, wouldn't they?

hi every one !

Why all this hate against Islam ? I was like you, very confused and brainwashed by hate sites like this one until I decided to find out by myself about Islam, it is the best, all this lies and garbagge will only increase people desire to find out by themselves, why you dont talk with muslims ? as one poster here said ( saladin ), why you dont seek the ' other' side of the story ? why you are all consumed with hate ?

saladin said “It is ok for you to fine and imprison those who deny the holocaust, but not ok for muslims to do the same against scumbags like rushdie !!!”

Please explain to me how the murder of six million Jews and at least five million others compares to a poorly written book that some muslims find offensive??? I am not sure I see the equivalency.

“Your grandchildren will be deniers of islam.”

ex-Christian: what do you make of Muhammad thinking that the Trinity was the Father, Son, and Mary? (Qu'ran 5:116) What about the claim that the Jews made Ezra the son of God (Qu'ran 9:30)? It seems Muhammad didn't know what he was talking about.

I read this thread of comments because I just recently read The Satanic Verses and throughly enjoyed the novel. It reminded me a lot of James Joyce who questioned Catholicism. The book is not offensive to Islam at all, it merely questions the religion, an important way to acquire faith in your religion. Mahound, never went to the brothel, that was a poet who wrote bad things about the prophet. The poet was hiding to save his life from the prophet. The religion of the prophet was growing in popularity in the land of Jahilia (a term also used to describe pre-Islamic Arabia) so to keep up with the trend the ladies of the brothel pretended that they were the wives of Mahound for fun. The poet played the role of Mahound. They were later caught and were killed.

This scene was part of a psychotic dream of the main character, Gibreel Farishta, who in his psychosis believed he was the Angel Gabriel. The whole novel is told from the point of view of Satan. If the Islamists simply read the novel they would see that it doesnt necessarily condemn Islam.

As a Christian, I must say that I am very ashamed by a lot of the posts I've read in here. I hate the political movement of Islamicism and equate it to Nazi Fascism. However, I know many good Muslim people who believe in freedom and democracy. I separate Islamicism from Islam which simply means "submission" which we as Christians also believe. Reza your arguements using quotes from the Old Testament, that we should "stone a witch" is invalid because as Christians we believed that as Christ bore all of our sins we no longer need to stone adulterers and witches to death. We need to take the name of Christ and repent and be baptized to cleanse our sins. Christ took all of our pain and stonings. That is why we so revere Him.

Unfortunately some CHristians take that to mean that they can do what they want, well, then they aren't truly Christians are they? I dress modestly because I call myself a Christian and respect the body God has given. I do not wish to wear "short skirts that show off my legs".

Moslems forget that we have free will. A true believer who submits to God will dress modestly and live a clean life because they choose to submit to God, not because they were forced to.

The SAtanic Verses makes you ponder those things, and separates true Moslems from the bad. That is why the Iranian leader issued the fatwa. The book really makes the Islamic Fascist movements look REAL bad. It is good to question religion, for it brings one closer to God. That is exactly what those evil men who politicized Islam dont want you to do because it takes authority from them.

The fight is against the Fascist Islamic movement. Let us focus on the true enemy. I know many Muslims and they hate the Islamicists as much as we Americans do. I hope they one day they will be brave and fight against themselves. Everyone read Satanic Verses! It is an excellent book!

Phil

Forgive me if I appear rather dim here, but I'm not really sure what you're going on about.
It seemed to have nothing to do with me asking Reza why allah couldn't kill some one himself if he was miffed at them.

What's 'African diamond mines' got to do with that?

Regards,
kc

(ps. don't feel the need to reply, I'm already a bit bored with this thread and have moved on to a more recent one!)

Ex-Christian,

Sorry I can’t join you the Delusional Happy Place created by Muslims, where all is peace and love of Allah. Why?

It may have something to do with the fact that Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of wars being fought today, 18 of 21 at last count.

It may have something to do with the fact that Islam has killed far in excess of 200 million people in over 300 wars in its relatively short 1,370-year existence.

It could be that I feel a bit set upon that your friends in the DHP would like to kill me simply because I’m an American.

For some reason, that upsets me.

Keep in mind that somewhere down the road, an imam may ask your child to strap a bomb to his or her chest and kill a bunch of strangers because they don’t worship the same as you.

Perhaps you should be more upset than I.