Islam Online says Vatican trying to stop Islam

To Welt am Sontag: Now that they've come to grips with their responsibility fot the Shoah, why don't the Evangelische Kirchen im Deutschland have a similar vision for spreading the Gospel? If they really want to love their neighbors, gently arguing and offering ethical example to entice them away from a creed that glorifies war would be good ways to show it.

And here is another reason to Stop islam:

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13615

This is what they plan for Every nation they live in.

holy dog shit!...look at this question and reply to a question on Islamonline, suggesting 9/11 was contrived by "someone" to make Islam look bad!

http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=7459

Kirk:

No offense, but where have you been? Muslims have been trying to pass off September 11th on Mossad and other Jewish or American agencies practically since day one.

Despite the fact that Muslims the world over (al-Mujahiroun, the Palestinians in the street, and so forth) celebrated in the street on that day.

This phenomenon brings to mind two concepts which I have seen time and time again in Islam: scapegoating and doublethink.

Scapegoating, of course, is the one we're most familiar with. For instance, a nation sends all its young men to madrassas, hoping to become more Islamic, please Allah, and therefore reap the social benefits. As Allah does not exist, no real benefits are gained whatsoever, the country slides further into povery due to lack of proper education and industry. Naturally, it is the fault of the Crusaders or the Zionists, so off go the little ones to madrassas again to gain Allah's favour.

As for doublethink, that's a word coined by George Orwell in his seminal political work, 1984. It describes the holding of two paradoxical ideas simultaneously in one's mind, and accepting both. For instance, that Jews are stupid braying beasts, yet have the cunning to outwit and exploit the innocent Muslims at every turn.

Incidentally, 1984, as a frighteningly accurate portrayal of a society where "telling the truth is a revolutionary act", paints a picture so close to hardline Islamic regimes it's scary. Denounce Big Brother, disappear into the Ministry of Love for reconditioning. Denounce Allah or his Prophet, disappear into the dungeon for torture or worse.

Heck, maybe it's not even hardline Islamic culture that resembles 1984... remember the British Muslims when "The Satanic Verses" was published?

Well...I had heard the denials, and accusations of mossad, but did not expect (or rather had hoped not) to see such a flagrant denial and deflection,a nd complete failure to acknowledge even the possibility, that it was Islamic fanatics...

The article says: "The word was not uttered randomly, but rather with a significance of the work of the organization, the paper said, noting that the congregation directly supervises 1,081 dioceses secretly working in countries that ban Catholic activities."

And how many countries ban Muslim activities?

I can't think of one.

"Merciless"

The Islamists would know the true meaning of this word.

In this article, mohomadans have discovered that Catholics are interested in spreading Catholicism. Their reaction, that assumes deceit, subterfuge and veiled violence will be involved says far more about their own agenda and how they carry it out than it does about any Christian church.

maybe they are scared of the pedophile priests in my church...and then the goddamn pope condemns the atrocities against the Iraqi prisoners,but stayed silent for so long about the atrocities committed against our children?

Gosh... I hope it's true!

I have learned much about history (from you guys who post). Was reading an article yesterday by Dave Hunt - Islam was not the main subject, but was thrown in as an example:"Martyrs in Islamic countries have had their bodies roasted and their skin peeled completely off their torsos" [The Berean Call; May 2004; pg.3; 2nd. col; next to last para.]

Then there is always a few politicians (Oreilly Factor) who realize that there is no negotiating with a person who's only thought and purpose is to kill you.

So tell me - Is there really a way to get our thoughts and concerns into the hands of the President?

It seems as if there is a great big 'file-13' wastebasket somewhere.

Before election, the candidate, comes and shakes your hand. After the election, you cannot get within a half mile of your elected official.

And you letters end up in 'file-13'

So how can one 'grab our President by the shirt collar and shake him like a rag-doll' until he sees that Islam is not a religion of peace.

As stated, I've learned a lot of History from everyones posts. [But what happens to them - tomorrow. Are the Archived somewhere?]

All of these islamists stink, cause they don't know how to bath, its no wonder thier always sick with deseases. Thier sub-human and crawled out from under a rock, they are the poorest excuse to mankind, they worship lucifer and they are demons from the bottomless pit. I just can't say enough filthy things about these dirty want to be humans. I'm so glad the Vatican is doing all it can to crush these muslems, I guess you could call it a modern crusade.

I made sure I followed the link to the Vatican site so they know you are returning their love.

One of the most significant events of the next few years will be the election of a new pope following the death of this one. I expect Islam will see this as an opportunity to influence an election a la Spain with targeted terror attacks and other intimidation. The worst possible scenario for Europe and us will be the ascension of a dhimmi pope. That would take the heart out of Europe during the current war of religion.

Just more Islamic propaganda. It never ceases to amaze me what they come up with.

Whith that kind of money, they can build on big army.
Has anyone seen Crusaders with red crosses and lances on horseback yet?

I guess the ecret is out. Now you know why I keep horses. They are for our top secret crusade. I have my 12th century armour al spit polished and ready to go as well.

Those jousting camps you see on tv sometimes? Those are really our secret training centres.

Islam, or part of Islam is trying to stop the rest of the world, so what's the difference. This crackpot cult has it imbedded in their brains that no matter what happens, they're the victim.

What's the point of us not letting this be true? They can't be reasoned with, and they can't be bargained with. There's only one logical step left with regard to taking the threat of them away, and it doesn't include hollering "trick or treat" at them.

DC~ You know what? Things go in cycles. In the 60s they made all the monsters friendly- Addam's Family, for example. Now we have swung back into monsters being (mostly) bad...

Here's the point: 30 years from now, will kids be running around on Halloween wearing OBL masks? (seeing as by then *crosses fingers* he and his Kind will be remembered as a joke).
That's the image you left me with :P

I'm starting to see that the basis for
believing in Islam is to accept Muhammed's
form of paranoia and denial.
In Canada Muslim groups have now taken on
the "Victim" mindset and any questioning of
their faith is now "Islamophobia" or "Racism".
Violence at Universities is now a fight of
justice and equality for their Palestinian Brother's who suffer under the oppressive
war criminals in Israel.
They have already used AL-Qaida to inflict
fear into the Canadian Government to accept
Sharia-Law in Ontario and are using the middle east issue to sway the Federal election towards
a Antisemitic slant.
Several people in the Meadia have had death-threats from Muslims and complaints filed against
their company as Islamophobes spreading hatred
towards minorities. The web site www.canadianislamiccongress.org has a media-watch
document that lists anti-Islamic words and stories from the local media. One major gripe from these yahoo's is that the media uses the
phrase "Muslim extremist or Muslim terrorists"
to report a news item about a bombing by people
claiming to be Muslim-Terrorists .
The denial is frightening,funny how the
Nick Berg video is seen as a fruad in the Muslim
media,yet a few prison photo's of abuse towards
unidentified persons has become taken a fact and
is an attack on Islam.
With no proof of the religion or nationality,
Muslim have laid claim to this "Victimhood"
just for the sake of justifing more terrorism.

If you make a choice to belong to a faith that
forces you to put on a costume that restricts your job prospects,then don't scream racism if your poor from Allah's rules. Some high paying
jobs demand your time and don't expect emergencies to stop five times a day to let
you pray. The 911 hijackers put the "SLAM" in
Islam amd Allah's built in poverty puts the
"SLIM" in Muslim.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Christianity is free to spread its message. However, in Islamic countries, this is against the law. In Christian countries, Christians are now made to look like Nazis or dupes. The Left is just as guilty as Muslims.

If you have never read Spengler, you should. The title of his offering should grab you attention: Will African Christians raze Mecca? Be sure to read the links. Some of the links refer back to his previous articles, and others are links to other authors. Enjoy.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FF02Aa01.html

Islam's Campus Club at FrontPage that is linked above has some very interesting sites listed at the bottom.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13615

The "Ask Islam about Jihad" that is linked above is another example of kitman. One of the tactics of kitman is to turn the blame back against the victim.

I found it strange that the imman stated that no one in Islam has the technical knowledge to have pulled off 9-11. This is a crock as we all know that most of these men were extensively trained in the West and that this plan had been formulated and tested long before the actual event. And, of course, Usama didn't always live in a cave! Obviously this answer is given to those that have no other sources of information or those that are completely indoctrinated, such as old time Christians USED to be. (Maybe there are still some around that would never read anything that doesn't have the Vatican's approval or that is labeled "Un-Christian." Who knows!)

EPG: I read Spengler long ago. He tried to develop a "grand theory" of history. By own take on the decline of the West is that in historically Christian countries, the "clever" (but most unwise) set svaged their religion. I've gone on record saying that we can't expect help from the present-day "humanitarian" conscience over Samuel Masih because the "humanitarians", no less than Muslims, represent an attempt to undo Christianity.

Kirk and Luigi: there's still plenty of room in plenty of Protestant churches if you're upset about pedophile priests and a Papacy that's lost its nerve--also, a lot of us Protestants do maintain a traditional faith.

The situation we have arrived at today is largely the result of COLLECTIVE guilt amongst the intellectual left who have implanted themselves firmly in our Universities and onto media orgasnisations.
The multiculturelism which grew out of the guilt of the Europeans has been briliantly exploited by the islamist.
In the late sixties, history was rewritten in the classroom and the glories of empire where protrayed as the sins of Imperialism . i remember the change at school in london well.
And then we all bent over backwards to atone for the sins of our fathers.
In Europe the guilt is far greater than in America simply because it has a much longer history of imperialism and persecution.
That is basically why America is far far more capable of defending itself than Europe.
It;s interesting to note that even when it came to liberating the survivors of the concentration camps after the war it was the AMERICANS that did much of this work.
The Europeans were incapable of doing this job even after the horrors they had inflictted on Jews, Gays gypsies et al.
As the Islamists gain more footholds in american universities, with the assistance of Saudi money, they indoctrinate every day young americans with the falsehood and distortions of virulent Islamic propaganda. Coupled with the politics of thw "new left" , this is nothing less than a cancer and it is left to Campus Watch.org and others to expose the unbeleivable injustices being perpetrated by university intellectuals on students whor refuse to write essays on " Why Bush is a war criminal " for example.
Under ther guise of " Middle east Studies" they rewirte the history if the ME . The next step will be the preaching of Jihad to young non islamic americans and we will witness a plethora of conversions to Islam in universtities.
In Europe this is already happening on a much larger scale.
Anyone who has read the signs diplayed at Uni demos must surely wonder at where this indoctrination has come from.
We can only hope that the young minds of the new generation who have access to so much more information via the Internet will resist the onslaught of the Universtiy jihadists. .
The physical terrorism is only the tip of the iceberg. The intellectual terrorism is happening on a much larger scale and is much more dangerous in the long term.

they panic when we push back dont they

Canadian election happening,and
not a word about ending muslim
immigration.
Could be given a winning slant,
as in, this would allow Canada
to accept more cristians, hindus,
sikhs, janes, buddhists, animists,
pagans, shinto, jews, confucians,
mormons, bahai etc. ie Everyone wins,
including Canada.

dby
name one country in the world where Islamic immigrants have integrated peacefully with the local host population.
name one country in the world where Islamic immigrants have not attcked the local population.

Kepha-
thanks, but I'll just continue to not go to Catholic churches instead...besides, the pope can't live forever.

anyway, I am fast coming to the conclusion that religion is the problem.

Kirk

The Liberal government in Canada will soon be no more.
The point spread is now even which means the liberal media despite it's attemps to made it look good for liberals, can't. And it's still eary, 25 days to go, and harper hasn't even pulled out the big guns yet, and liberals are name calling, talking fast and stuttering.
So long Liberals, so long Sharia law, so long gay marriage, all those bills die on June 28.

Hello EEE senate, equal provincial representaion, Stronger constitution, lower taxes, bigger military. Goodbye gun control.

Kepha,

Statistically, there are just as many Protestant ministers (or teachers, etc.) who are pedophiles. But Catholics get more publicity because the liberal media knows who its main enemy is.

By the way, Kepha is the Aramaic for "rock", which is what Christ called Peter. Peter is the rock upon which the Church is founded (Matthew 16:18-19). Why not join the Catholic Church, headed by Peter's successor?

Quoting Davo

“Name one country in the world where Islamic immigrants have integrated peacefully with the local host population? Name one country in the world where Islamic immigrants have not attacked the local population?”

Name one country in the world where, members of the host population haven’t attacked Muslim men and women? Name one country in the world where Europeans, White Anglo-Saxon Christians and Holy Roman Catholics have gone and not killed members of the host, if you call it that, population? Ask the Native Americans who live on reservations how they feel about it?

Ask Miraim Makeba how she felt about being banded from her own country in 1960 because she was deemed too dangerous. Ask her how she felt about living in exile for 30 years because some white Christian men from Europe invaded her country?

Ask, Martin Luther King, oops we can’t ask him because a white man killed him, how he felt about being kicked around by white Christian police officers because he fought for human rights?

Name one Iraqi, Christian, Jew or Muslim if the devastating effects of Mr. Bush’s Crusade haven’t affected them? Here’s an interesting story about his Crusade. Nathan you should read it, it speaks directly to your theory about secret training centers. http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0342/schanberg.php

Hey Gary, what was that about what Muslim plans for every nation they live in? Can you tell me what Evangelists plan for every country that they converge upon? They don’t even have to go and preach to the “infidels” anymore because they are producing films and broadcasting around the world.

“The mission of CBN and its affiliated organizations is to prepare the United States of America and the nations of the world for the coming of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth. Our ultimate goal is to achieve a time in history when "the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea."

“In achieving our mission our chief method is the strategic use of all forms of mass communication and the conduct of education that will train the young and old to understand how the principles of the Kingdom of God relate to those spheres of human endeavor that play a dominant role in our world.”

Wow the wording sounds a lot like to the plans laid out by the Project for the New American Century of which Bush and Cheney et al are signatures.

“We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future. We need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values. We need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad. We need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Now this one’s for you Kirk and Ananda, and by the way I live and work in NYC and witnessed the destruction of the Twin Towers with my own eyes, not from across the pond in the UK. Anyway if you want to look at things for what they really are the Government of the USA trained and supported the terrorist network that they unleashed upon the world and in my opinion it’s the same Government that did nothing to stop them that terrible day known as 9/11. You may ask why? They needed a reason to, “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars” in order to promote their causes as outlined above because, “The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” Page 51 Rebuilding America’s Defenses.

Ananda, can I ask you a question? Why would you say that, “Allah does not exist” unless of course you are an atheist?

Jihad watch this one’s for you. In trying to poke fun at Islam Online you said, “here is the website [http://www.vatican.va/] of that secret society…I guess they save all that for their secret meetings.” I guess you don’t know anything about the history of Vatican because if you did you wouldn’t say that. They still call the Secret Archives, the Secret Archives and you can’t gain access to the Archives without approval from the Perfect and you have a letter of introduction from a recognized institution of higher education and you are a qualified scholar pursuing academic research. And speaking of the Vatican and secret societies can someone tell me why there is an Egyptian Obelisk standing in St. Peter’s Square?

PHilip
No one is denying that the treatment of Black people by southern whites was in general discraceful or that the white man persecuted and copmmited genocide against the Native Americans.
But tell me this . would they have fared better under Islamic sha'ria law as dhimmies ?
Remember that the arabic word for Negro is "SLAVE".
And since only people of the book are allowed to exist as slaves of Islam, what would have happened to them ?
So let me ask you this.
Name one country where immigrant Hindus, Buddhists, Zaroastrians, Sikhs, Jews have created havoc and death in their host population ?

And as for the evangelical aspirations of the Christian church, they are a matter of personel choice, not a convert or die situation.
Ask the darfur Sudanese christians are what the alternatives to Islamic conversion are.
And the Indonesian christians who had 2000 of their churches destroyed in the last 18 months.

Philip:

I am sorry to hear you were in NYC during the attacks...I was down here in Charlotte, trying to work, and when I saw it, just went on home.

No arguments from me on the sins of the white man, or the catholic church. The world is just not a kind place, is it? But the last time I checked, the Indian Wars ended before the start of the last century...and the last summer when I was on the Cherokee Nation down here, they seemed to be really happy to get all that money I blew in the casino.

By the way, many Cherokee still practice their own religion...some are christians...some are true infidels like me. No special taxes on them. Their own country inside the country. What would these Cherokees be doing in an Islamic state, Phil?

In the US in my view there is more movement toward freedom and equality of all people than any country anywhere. Period. Plenty of room for improvement, no doubt, but movement nonetheless.

Has does Iran, Saudi Arabia compare? They aren't debating gay marriage over there, are they? How about gay mullahs?

But muslims are pouring into the west..and the US...and we welcome them, and see that they are free to live as the choose. That's fine..but why can't westerners, christians, jews, and anyone else go to the Islamic country's, Phil? When that happens, it's takeover attempt, they have to be repelled...It's a one way street, isn't it?

Taking one sentence out of thousands of pages of conservative strategy documents and implying the WTC attacks were carried out by our own government is really clever, Phil. There are some who also claim proof that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming...and that Churchill knew the Germans had a bead on the Lusitania. Do you also think some aliens in Area 51 were involved in all this?

As it turns out, it looks like our military was NOT prepared for what happened to us. We are running some of the largest deficits in history to bankroll the war effort. I have heard some debate over the draft. The document was right; it took a Pearl Harbor like event to wake us up. Maybe if we had started to really focus on defending ourselves from the Islamic threat back when it first hit us, the WTC would still be there.

I am glad you brought up Pearl Harbor, Phil. The comparison between WWII and what is happening now could not be better.

For as long as I can remember, the Islamic world has had one common theme: Death to the Jews. That was Hitler's rant. Except with radical Islam, we can also add ..."and christians, and westerners, and everyone else that is not a muslim".

And Phil, I just can't abide by that.

PHilip
as far as the proper mea culpas of western civilisation , we should take pride in the fact that we recognise our injustices.
No muslim has ever apologised for the massacres of Christian and Jewish comunities, because they are FREE OF GUILT . It is all part of Jihad and allowed or indeed exhalted by the Koran.
The Few brave Muslims who have are in fear of their lives as apostates!
Do you think that the American blacks who have been persecuted for centuries would have carried out a 911 attack on the US ?
God Knows they would have had the greatest excuses.
If you look at the history of Indonesia in the last few years you wonder why all the horrific crimes of Islamists are ignored by the western press who can only self flagellate themselves over the prisoner abuses of a handful of army perverts and demonize constantly the state of israel.
All this is documented at the barnabas fund website.
Laskhar Jihad killed over 1000 christians in a single raid and mutilated their bodies in the Malukas islands 2000
200 christians sheltering in a church were attacked with machetes then the church was set on fire with the loss of at least 100 lives.
The University of Ambon was destroyed and islands cleansed of all christians. Ambon itself has been cleansed of 80% of its christians.
ON other indonesian islands hundreds have been forced to convert to Islam under pain of execution by throat slitting.
Reports of women being genitally mutilated have emerged, some bleeding to death. etc etc etc
THAT IS JUST INDONESIA.
some 487,000 have been forced to flee their homes!
But they won't be welcomed in the west as refugees because THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS!
That is how sick we have become!

Would that it were true!

It´s very idiot this article of www.islamonline.com, ´The Vatican must try to convert muslims to catholicism , it´s our mission like catholics, it isn´t easy , but it´s a beautiful challenge to fight.
One question, I like to put an article in the web, is possible? thanks

Vatican trying to stop Islam
Geeezeeeeeeeeeeee About fricking time isnt it?

So the penny has finally dropped ?
So the Vatican has finally figured out who the real enemies of its followers and civilization are ?
So why are so many of its constituants marching AGAINST GWBush Oh yeah thats right THEY are PEACE ACTIVISTS thats why THEY supported the maintenance of SADDAM in Iraq becaue THEY are PEACE activists = muslim barbarian facilitators , Facists Nazi scum.
Gee its good to know they are on the Job.
Dumb shit arsed bleeding hearts.
Better late than never I guess.
Kevin.

Hello
I think that there should be a special day called World Apostates Day, in which apostates are celebrated and validated for their courage in apostating from Islam. Maybe apostates from other religions can be part of this too, but I hope that this would be mainly for ex-muslims.
Does anyone else agree with this?