Ohio mall jihad

Ohio Muslims Give Thoughts On Operative
Local Man Pleads Guilty To Terror Connection
POSTED: 2:38 p.m. EDT June 19, 2003
UPDATED: 7:30 a.m. EDT June 20, 2003
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Leaders of the Central Ohio Islamic community met Wednesday with representatives of the FBI and state law enforcement after reports surfaced that a Columbus man was suspected of being a member of al-Qaida.
"Like all Americans, the Muslim community is concerned about the security of America," Council on American-Islamic Relations-Ohio Executive Director Jad Humeidan said. "The leadership of the Ohio Muslim community is ready, willing and able to work with law enforcement authorities for the safety and security of this country."
Representatives of CAIR-Ohio, Islamic Foundation of Central Ohio, Islamic Society of Greater Columbus, Sunrise Academy, and the Somali community were present at the meeting.
NewsChannel 4's Mike Headrick spoke with people who lived in the area where Faris allegedly made his home. He also spoke with local Muslims for their reaction to the guilty plea.
The consensus of the people Headrick spoke with was that they knew Faris well enough to exchange greetings in passing, but no one knew him very well.
Muslim leaders in the area said Faris didn't have many friends and would be seen alone at prayer services. They said he wasn't someone who stood out in the community.
Faris drove a red semi truck, Headrick reported. He would begin work on Sundays and return on Wednesdays, which could be one reason why people didn't know him well, Headrick reported.
Many Muslims in the Columbus community fear for their safety and are worried about repercussions, Headrick reported.
"Any time something like this happens or takes place in the news, especially this time mentioning Columbus in particular, it really freaks people out," mosque member Mohammad Abdel-Azeez said. "Since this article was published in Newsweek, the number of people who come to the mosque really declined."
The decline was from about 350 members to about 85, Headrick reported.
There are more than 30,000 Muslims in Central Ohio; 150,000 in Ohio; and about 7 million in the United States, according to CAIR.

Oh My!!!

Annie get your guns!!

The enemy are within again we will have to do what our Grandparents did! We will forgive ourselfs like they did!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

This guy has alot of nerve...sneaks into the country with fraudulant immigration documents and THEN asks the govt for papers allowing him to travel back to terror central....his whole family should be on the next cargo plane out of the US....and I suppose it was because he was a muslim that the US govt wouldnt replace his fraudulant documents with genuine ones....

This story is PROOF that muslims WILL attack us in our own backyards...what more do people need...to have a mall actually blown up??

This is only the beginning as they are starting to come out of the woodwork. Of course they will hit us in our backyards as we can't be terrorized by events occurring overseas. We are in a world war, folks, and people will die on all sides. It is foolish to believe that none of us will touched.

Is this one nailed down tight? No more screw-ups, FBI!

I would hope the timetable these guys worked by is made plain to Everyone- this began Years before we went to war on Terror in Afganistan and Iraq. Things like this should be front-page, headline news any time they happen.

USAG:

Regrettably, I have to endorse Daniel Pipes' posit that it is going to take "education by murder" to get the American governments, mainstream media and public onside wrt to the threat that islamist terror represents to the American polity.

Of course, it is not just INS lack of diligence in preventing such islamist infiltration; Canadian immigration policy is notorious for permitting the revolving door for landed immigrant terrorists.

I live 9 miles outside of Columbus. These bastards are around 20,000 in number, and they create problems with both the white, and the black communities. Somali students have started problems in our schools, and taken severe physical beatings for their trouble.

They're a menace, and the Government should have their asses kicked for letting these meatheads come here in the first place. They should all be sent back home in a leaky boat.

You'll never guess the reaction from his family:

Abdi's cousin, Asha Yassin Hassan, said that Abdi was targeted because he is a Muslim.

Yes, he was, and obviously, for damn good reason. The Muslims in America ought to think about leaving while they're able.

Let's see what kind of fun devices this inspires at the Brookstone and Hammacher Schlemmer mall stores.

Good to see another fascist goon taken down before he can do any damage. Is there a single resource page listing all the terrorist captures since 9-11, all the plots thwarted? I imagine we're into the hundreds by now.

INS just cracks me up. My foreign born daughter became a citizen when her adoption was finalized during infancy. She's from a friendly country, and arrived here with a U.S. embassy officer as an escort. Yet we still had to travel 4 hours and pay lodging so INS could "interview" her, a baby! They repeated this charade 4 years later with a "follow up" hearing. (not to mention the exhaustive background checks done on Mom and me).

Obviously Faris never had such scrutiny, nor did the 9-11 terrorists. Our borders are worse than a joke.

http://www.numbersusa.com

Fax Congress for Free
Stop Out of Control Immigration
Congressional Immigration Voting Records

USAgirl: you stated "what more do people need...to have a mall actually blown up??"

A very unfortunate answer is yes. It will take more murders like that before the PC crowd gradually wakes up. We just hope that by then, it won't be too late.

Earl: with respect to your Canada comment, I'm in Toronto and agree completely. Remember the recent case of the Iranian assassin who was deported after 9 years (and a Supreme Court decision). Even then of course, the UN objected - something about hurt feelings I believe (sorry - a bit of sarcasm there).

USA mulsum free zone!!!

We rednecks just dont stand there when our children are in the street saying little johnny get out of the street 50 times untill a truck runs over little johnny. We go over and pull little johnny out of the street before the trucks comes?
Well we know how the Europeans are we have seen it in WW1&WW2 they let the truck run over them!

I say we get 50 votes in the U.N we have 50 states? I say send in the planes before the truck comes down that road!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Force and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
Posted by Catherine at June 14, 2004 02:33 PM

Saudi Islamist preachers slam anti-Western attacks
14 Jun 2004 16:46:22 GMT
(Adds U.S. envoy, paragraphs 5-8, analyst 14)
By Ghaida Ghantous
RIYADH, June 14 (Reuters) - Six Saudi preachers seen as influential with Islamist extremists denounced attacks on Westerners in Saudi Arabia as a "grave sin" under Islam on Monday.
"The bombings and killings have revolted people and hurt individuals and their property, and no one with the slightest knowledge of Islam can doubt that this is an atrocious crime and grave sin," they said in a statement carried by Saudi media.
The statement came amid an escalation of violence in the kingdom by militants loyal to Saudi-born al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in their campaign to oust the pro-U.S. monarchy and drive out Westerners.
Militants shot dead a U.S. military contractor outside his home in Riyadh on Saturday. Al Qaeda, which claimed the attack, said it also kidnapped an American. It was the sixth assault on Westerners in six weeks in the world's top oil exporter.
The U.S. embassy in Riyadh said Ambassador James Oberwetter met the families of the two Americans on Monday and voiced hope for the safe return of the abducted man, Paul Johnson.
"I have been assured by the Saudi authorities that they are doing everything possible to resolve this kidnapping case," it quoted him as telling Johnson's son in the United States by telephone.
Johnson's fate was still not clear. A Saudi Interior Ministry official said only that the authorities were investigating the case.
The ambassador thanked Saudi citizens for reporting suspicious activities to police. "This has helped stop several terrorist attacks over the past few months and saved both Saudi and American lives," he said.
The clerics' statement, read on television, said those who killed non-Muslims resident among Muslims would not go to heaven.
Al Qaeda's year-old campaign in the kingdom has targeted foreigners and non-Muslims.
The preachers included Safar al-Hawali and Salman al-Odeh, who have been imprisoned for demanding reforms and criticising the powers of the Saudi royal family.
The statement urged Muslims not to brand fellow believers "infidels". Militants, making heavy use of the Internet in their war with the authorities, call Christians and Jews infidels and the Saudi royals apostates and infidels for allying with Washington.
It is unusual for Saudi state media to give such prominence to non-governmental religious scholars. The government appoints a Grand Mufti, who is the most powerful cleric in the birthplace of Islam. Militants denounce state-appointed clerics as stooges.
Mohsen al-Awajy, an expert on Islamic militants, said the clerics' statement would fall on deaf ears among militants and their supporters.
"These people will not accept the condemnation. They will not be swayed from their ideology," he told Reuters.
Al Qaeda has vowed that 2004 will be "bloody and miserable" for the kingdom. Bin Laden is thought to be in hiding in the mountains along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

Just saw the Video feed of the Blast again and if you can see it it was a bllast from underground? Were these guys UN inspetors looking for the goods? and the ammo dump was blown by the terrorist? and the stupid Iraqis where hanging around could some of the stuff been cems. We will have to see how many get sick?
And heard some were French thought that the French were not in this hunt?
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court, at least temporarily preserving the phrase "one nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, ruled Monday that a California atheist could not challenge the patriotic oath.

We are Winning!!!
U.S., IAEA demand Iran come clean on nuke plans
14 Jun 2004 17:29:29 GMT
(Adds details)
By Louis Charbonneau and Mark Trevelyan
VIENNA, June 14 (Reuters) - Iran is not fully cooperating with U.N. inspectors and must come clean about the full extent of its nuclear programme, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the United States said on Monday.
IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei said Iran's cooperation has been "less than satisfactory" and warned that clarification of unresolved issues -- particularly Iran's uranium enrichment activities -- could not be allowed to drag on forever.
"It is essential for the integrity and credibility of the inspection process that we are able to bring these issues to a close within the next few months, and provide the international community with the assurances it urgently seeks regarding Iran's nuclear activities," he told the IAEA's board of governors.
Washington, which accuses Iran of developing weapons under cover of a civilian atomic energy programme, echoed these words.
"Iran needs to come clean and abide by its international agreements," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "These are concerns shared by the international community...There is no reason why they need a nuclear programme."
Tehran denies having weapons ambitions, insisting it is only interested in generating electricity.
Diplomats said the United States was pushing at the IAEA board meeting in Vienna, expected to last at least several days, for the agency to set Iran a deadline to cooperate fully. This could set the stage for a future report to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions if Iran failed to meet the deadline.
ElBaradei said any deadline would be a matter for the member states to decide, but his comments made clear that Iran had to stop delaying and changing its story.
"We still have a central issue, and that is whether Iran has declared all its (uranium) enrichment activities," ElBaradei said, demanding "accelerated and proactive cooperation".
SEVERE WORDS FROM ELBARADEI
A diplomat from one of the 35 nations on the IAEA Board of Governors said he was surprised by the force of the IAEA chief's words: "The speech by (ElBaradei) was severe. It was serious."
ElBaradei highlighted concerns over the detection of traces of low-enriched and highly enriched uranium at sites in Iran, and over Tehran's work with advanced P-2 centrifuges -- two items that diplomats say could indicate interest in weapons.
P-2 centrifuges are used to enrich, or purify, uranium for use in an atomic reactor or in a nuclear weapon.
Information provided by Tehran on its P-2 programme had been "changing and at times contradictory", ElBaradei said.
Iran wants the IAEA to give it credit for the information it has disclosed to date, and has said failure to give it due recognition would affect future cooperation.
Tehran's senior delegate Hossein Mousavian told reporters Iran was providing "full cooperation", supplying all information requested and narrowing down the range of outstanding issues.
In Tehran, one parliamentarian said Iran's parliament would not ratify a tough IAEA protocol allowing snap inspections, which Iran signed last year and has so far been implementing, in the event that "Western governments impose extreme demands".
Delegates at the Vienna meeting will consider a joint French, British and German draft resolution that "deplores" Iran's lax cooperation with the IAEA. Iran wants this word out.
Diplomats said Washington wants it harsher, with some kind of deadline in the text to keep the pressure on Tehran. But one board member doubted a timeline could be included at this point.
That means that the worst Iran will face is a public scolding by the IAEA and a new call to improve cooperation with the United Nations. The draft resolution includes no threat of a Security Council report or any punitive action, which diplomats said is one aspect of the European draft resolution the Iranians like.

I have a Plan they will like send them to their Maker!! Sence they send their young to die all over the world and convence others to kill we can send over some MOABs and just take them out???

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who fight with them give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS remember the mulsums are pissed at the desert mulsums that is Iran will take out Saudi!
Posted by Catherine at June 14, 2004 02:17 PM

Many Muslims in the Columbus community fear for their safety and are worried about repercussions, Headrick reported.

Good thinkin'......they'd be safer, back in Mogadishu

DCW
That is a great one I'm LOL

Part of the American Tribe

I'm not surprised at all by this report. When brainstorming with my uncle one day, we concluded that the terrorists would be just as apt to attack "small town America" as much as bigger targets like NYC -- all in the effort to instill terror and prey upon the weaker-willed amongst us to make concessions to and appease Al Qaeda much as the Spanish have done.

Very glad that these people were caught. It shows that the current administration is on top of things, but I can only wonder how long it will be until something sneaks through the cracks.

Islam has got to be take to task here in the USA and internationally -- or we can just sit back and watch the reports stack up.

Does anyone have statistics on how many Muslims live here in the United States that were not born here? I don't care if they are American citizens, military or police -- as we've seen from dozens of incidents and reports, loyalty to country is not first for a huge segment of Muslims. This is disturbing because I can't think of any other Americans that think like that. And if they exist, they aren't plotting to blow up shopping malls or fly planes into football stadiums.

Well here we go again! How many times do we need to get attacked on American soil before the powers that be grow some balls? All the crap they put American adoptive parents through while in the process of adopting any foregin baby/child and yet the terrorist are given free raine to come here and on top of that, a warm welcome to the land of the free. DAMN IT! That makes no sense and makes me sick. I am sick and tired of MY TAX DOLLARS going to welfare families who come here with pure hate for Americans and want to live off the system and that goes for any person or persons who don't believe in getting up off their fat ass to get off welfare and begin to rebuild their life slowly. No, foreigners come here and take our jobs, our homes, they're getting more federal assistance in order to get business loans, mortgages and meanwhile people who have bad credit, bankruptcy, are hard working americans can't get a break for shit! No please continue to come here and kill us that is the message that is being sent over and over everyday we allow these assholes into our country. So, how many malls need to get blown up, how many more people need to die? The sad part is, millions.

Actually Foe, Coolumbus and surrounding burbs have a population of over a million people. Small compared to N.Y. or L.A., but it's grown so much. Unfortunately, Somalian dimwits are a part of that population, hopefully not for long.

I agree with you, domestically and internationally, Islam must be reformed, or it must be made to disappear.

War has been around since protohuman walked on 2 legs. The difference is that islam is the ONLY religion, society, culture, etc. that advocates dominance and killing of non conformers.

Today the head of the Islamic States said islam must reform, he was booed and following his speech, the muslim websites said he was playing to the hands of infidels. Please, let us not believe false scenarios, islam will never reform. So what options exist, either we fight them or convert. I will never convert. Greece never converted under 400 years occupation. We had schools and churches in caves up in the mountains. That is one thing I and others will never go through again. It is war, and we shall win. Defeat is not living.

God Bless Cinci!
The people there have balls.
The revolution will begin in
the Cinci area.

God Bless Cinci!
The people there have balls.
The revolution will begin in
the Cinci area.

Posted by vladdragula at June 14, 2004 03:43 PM

Which revolution are you referring to?

As a Cincy native, let me just say that once the revolution is over, everyone will be eating five-ways and saying what a nice woman Marge Schott was.

Annie:

I feel your pain. Perhaps Washington would pay attention to demands like these if a million Americans marched around the Pentagon.

Is it always the Liberals that have to do the marching -- the "silent majority" in this country needs to be heard finally.

DC:

Yeah, I wasn't really saying "small town America" as regards actual numbers. I probably should have said "heartland".

The thing is though, hitting actual small towns and villages would also shake up America. Nobody would feel safe then -- so I think it's a definite soft target possibility. All Americans need to be very aware today -- take nothing for granted.

The good news for small towns and villages is that strangers stick out like a sore thumb, especially those named Muhammad.

Vlad:

Well, if I had to guess I'd say he was from Eastern Europe somewhere -- near Transylvania. :)
Lands that have long feared the return of radical Islamic warriors.

You know, the more I learn about Al Qaeda and Wahhabis, them less evil I think about Vlad the Impaler.

That's scary.

Blather: "Many Muslims in the Columbus community fear for their safety and are worried about repercussions, Headrick reported. "

A bunch of b.s... they are excellent at pretending to be targets of repercussions. Were there any repurcussions after 911? Any vigilante mobs? Very, very few... like attacks on cabbies in NYC, but as I recall the only murder victim was a Sikh who "looked Muslim" to a redneck in Arizona.

Meanwhile attacks on Jews are at their highest since WW2, all over the world.

Here in Tampa the boy MSAs would escort the girls MSAs to their cars after dark... what a joke.

Now compare this to what would happen if Christians, Hindus, or any other infidel group did to Saudi, Pakistan, etc. what Muslims did to us on 911... there'd be a lynch mob that killed everyone they could grab.

No, he was not targeted because he is a Muslim. He was ARRESTED because he is a religiously-insane mass murderer. But don't worry; when he gets to prison they will treat him like a prophet.

You guys are right; if the FBI botches this, it will be par for the course. I was speechless when I heard that THOUSANDS of documents related to the Al-Aryan case were "accidentally shredded."

This one hit close to home for me, because I live in Columbus, and my girlfriend is employed at the Tuttle Crossing mall.

Thank God the FBI is aggressively investigating these warped people that revel in death and destruction.

You are honestly the craziest people that I have ever been in contact with in any way. Your xenophobia against MUSLIMS(thats M U S L I M, catherine, learn to spell) is appalling, and at the same time laughable. You are afraid of all muslims, which is exactly what the REAL terrorists want. Al'Queda wants the USA to become the equivilant of the Nazis in the early 21st century. The Muslims will be our Jews, the Middle East will be our Europe, and just like the Nazis we will be brought down by the combined will of every other country on Earth.

foehammer,
have you moved beyond your bible student cookie sale days. Are you ready for entry into the eastern christians club or not yet.

At one point you and everyone will enter. Let us hope it happens before it is too late.

Poe,
I am sorry you feel that way, but we here on these and other pages DO NOT WALK AROUND WITH OUR HEADS UP OUR ASS.

Please, kindly remove said cranium from said edifice and kindly open your eyes and ears.

poe,
open your eyes and ears after you wash them, of course.

Thank you

Keithjoy, you're correct, since their unholy book tells them it's alright to lie, they've become good at it.

Poe-could that be short for poem? If so, how's this one?

I support Muslim Jihad, most say I'm insane.

Allah hand me sword, but forget to give me brain.

Islam proves itself everyday. Somalis in Columbus ought to be careful, or just move back to their little dirthole homeland over in the horn of east Africa. They've irritated whites and blacks alike, and should relocate as soon as possible.

You're incorrect about us fearing Muslims, for most of us think they're a joke, and a sorry ass excuse for human beings. They're simply liars, and sneaks, and can't be trusted.

Being from the area, I am far less concerned about some Somali blowing up Tuttle, Easton or Polaris Mall than I am about the jihadists that regularly hang out at the Oval of Ohio State. Most Somalis are well liked for their hard work and not all are even Muslim, let alone radical.

While some posters are attacking the Somalis, the real terrorists are laughing while they drink their coffee and tea in High Street coffee shops and plan real attacks. Iyman Faris is a loon who probably couldn't blow up a ballon let alone a building. If you really want to get scared go to the Student Union and read the flyers about "radical" events. The noted terrorist expert Stephen Emerson talked about Columbus as a natural hot spot for Al Qaeda because of the large numbers of educated radicals that attend school and have been present for radical events. The Somalis are the least of our worries. These poor Africans deserve better than what has been said about them here. Take your anger out on some of the rich Saudi "radical" students that are the real problem.

A training camp in Ethiopia? That deserves some pondering. The Muslim population of Ethiopia, once regarded as a bastion of Christianity against the Muslims, and in the medieval period it was in Abyssinia that Western Christendom placed the fabled Christian kingdom of Prester John (which it had first imagined as being in Asia), a Christian kingdom on the other side of Islam, threatening Islam, and therefore a comfort to Christian imaginations.

Ethiopia's Christians need to take stock of their demographic situation. It may be that Egypt, which does not favor Ethiopia's plan to feed its people by diverting some of the waters of the Nile, and which will do everything it can to retain its near-monopoly on the waters of the Nile even if that means Ethiopians undergo more of their famines, is eager to see a rise in that country's Muslim population, which may within the decade be used to destabilize the Christian regime in Ethiopia, and keep its irrigation plans from being realized.

Of course, the reverse is also true. A strong American presence in the southern Sudan (again I will repeat: it would not take much to seize the southern Sudan, and give its grateful non-Muslim, chiefly Christian population the protected right of a referendum on independence, which would undoubtedly be accepted), and keen support for Ethiopia, including any support in its efforts at diverting the headwaters of the Nile, would not only allow great pressure to be brought to bear on Egypt, a center for anti-Americanism and antisemitic propaganda, but would also hearten the Christians of black Africa, and not only on the eastern coast.

One hopes that someone is minding this matter in the State Department, and that those dealing with Ethiopia are not overly susceptible to the pressures from the yet-to-be-reined-in Arab lobby in the State Department, whose members never tire of signing letters denouncing the Bush foreign policy (another one is apparently coming along this week -- as the names appear, simply google them to see their financial ties to Arabs or Arab-related businesses or the Caryle Group or suchlike, or, where the "cherchez le fric" method does not yield immediate results, seek the "anti-Israel" thread in their previous activities).

Meanwhile, a little attention to Ethiopia. Yes, we all know that the Dergue and Mengistu are gone, and we do not need to worry about Soviet influence. Something much more insidious than the Soviets, however, is going on; Islam is far harder to deal with than the inwardly-collapsing Soviet system ever was.

Poe,

Muslims are involved in about 99% of the religious violence on the planet including mass murder, mutilation and terrorism. If muslims are opposed to the tactics of groups like Al Qaeda why did they cheer the deaths of 3000 American's on 9/11 in places like Egypt and Palestine? If muslims worldwide can march against the headscraf ban in French why are there not similar marches against terroism? Could it be because muslims approved of these attacks? Spare us the nazi comparisons, if you want to find places that are like nazi Germany look at almost any country suffering under islamic fundmentalist rule. Countries where there is no freedom of speech, thought or religion.Places where you can be executed for converting a muslim to Christianity or jailed for possessing a Bible. Islam is a fascist ideology comparable to Nazism in its evil particularly in it's intolerence and antisemitism.The descretion of Jewish synagogues and cemetaries as well as attacks on Jews in Europe are almost always committed by Muslims. The first Jewish synagogue burned since ww2 in France was burned by muslims.France was recently embarrassed when Isreal offered Jews a safe haven due to the rising antisemtism in France.Don't lecture me as I am not fooled by islam.

DJH

Of course they blame harmless Somali immigrants! The Somalis are MUSLIMS!(Ahhrggh!!! Run for the hills and call in the useless-and-drunk-off-their-asses National Guard)! They (dumbass posters on this site)will waste their energy on rants against legal immigrants who have nothing against America, while the real terrorists walk around unscathed, because they are stupid, and hate anyone who isn't a white Christian.

These poor Africans deserve better than what has been said about them here.

Posted by DJH at June 14, 2004 04:20 PM

Normally, I completely agree with your comments. However, these "poor Africans" have created alot of problems in the north end where most of them have gathered for their infestation. They're the grunts of Islam. And, the Somalis I know are all Muslim. Don't feel sorry for them. Remember 1993? This is another band of corpse mutilators, who unfortunately have been permitted into the civilized part of the world.

I've dealt with their arrogant, cocky attitudes personally. They come off like we owe them a life here. They don't work any harder than I, or the rest of us do. Don't be fooled. Is every single one of them a bad person? No......But the majority are here on our nickel and have no appreciation for it.

There will be no reforming of Islam. It is not possible.

Is it possible to reform Nazism? Would you want to?

Islam must be put on trial in front of the world, show the world the true face of Islam, and then eliminate Islam altogether.

It won't happen.They are the second
largest "religion" Christianity being number one so I don't see how that will happen. There are not enough people out there who can see what Islam is really all about, they fight tooth and nail to show how it is a peaceful religion and then of course, in the next sentence, prove our point over and over again and yet they still won't open their eyes to what we are telling them. There are way too many people out there who deeply believe in Islam and will not stray. Who knows, maybe more Muslims will convert and leave but there's no telling what the future holds on that.

poe and others,
unfortunately we must resort to our version of jihad in order to survive. Trying to take the high road does not and has never worked. Look at history, the only time islam was halted, was when brutality was applied against them ( Mongols, Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, Russians, Chinese, and yes arab countries). We can want to be civilized and above it all, but that is not possible.
Please pay attention and study why is that scholars of islam and converts of islam are the adamant against islam.

are the most adamant against islam

DC,
I agree with you. We're paying for them no one else. It's part of that wonderful welfare program, anyone can get on it and we'll shell out thousands of dollars every year for them to live scout free on our money. It's sad.

annie,
here in europe the muslims account for 4% of the population, yet suck up 42% of the welfare benefits. Similiar proportions in Australia.

Blather: "Many Muslims in the Columbus community fear for their safety and are worried about repercussions, Headrick reported. "

This remark is typical.Muslims are concerned about their safety but express no concern about people who could have been killed while shopping.As far as I know muslims are not being shot in the back,kidnapped, dragged behind cars or having their heads sawed off as has happened to Americans at the hands of muslims.So just why are muslims concerned about their safety?

Ok, prepare to get pissed:

http://www.edwimmer.com/video/dirty_kuffar.wmv

This is literally some kind of (Al Qaeda?) music video, apparently for recruitment and propaganda.

WARNING: There is no violence or gore in the video EXCEPT for some news footage in the beginning that shows some marines shooting an Iraqi from long range(I assume an enemy combatant) and it's obviously either taken out of context - or the men were actually happy about killing an enemy - either way I have nothing but praise for the Marines. Those boys are over there to break things when they need to.

There may be some foul language in (Arabic?) or in the subtitles.

I just ran across this video about 10 minutes ago and I immediately figured that there isn't enough of the TRUTH being actually seen. Since this is not a violent video like the most recent slaying in Saudi Arabia or the Nick Berg vid, I feel it not out of line to post a link.

The very disturbing thing about the video is that there seems to be one terrorist that goes into a very African/American Rap style about 3/4s through and I immediately thought that was out of character with the rest of the video. I can't help but wonder where that particular terrorist lives. Perhaps another Somali? Argh.

Anyway, have a look and if anyone understands Arabic, Farsi, Somali or whatever this language is in the video, perhaps you may enlighten the rest of us.

Thanks
Foe

Poe,

You a troll poe? You just said in your last statement that white Christians are where terrorism is coming from. You call people who post here dumb. Hmmm maybe your right. I guess the church down the street is turning out suicide bombers to go blow up the local 7-11. Since you made such assumption about people who post here, I will make one about you. You are nothing more than a pacifist apologist college student who worships Noam Chomsky.

Poe~ I know KeithJoy. And you are No KeithJoy.

(Ow, did I botch That quote. Dan Quail and Lloyd (Benson?))

Anyway! Poe, you need to read around here a bit and figure out that there are Iranians, Africans, English and a host of others posting to these threads. If there is a racist assumption it is totally on your part.

NBC Nightly News is absolutely amazing: tonight it took them 10 minutes to get to the Ohio mall jihad story -- and this was preceeded by a ridiculous 5 minute propaganda interview with Tom Brokaw from the King of Jordan, in his oh so perfect English -- telling us the lie that the cause of our problems is the acts of the United States around the world and that the main issue is still the Palestinian-Israeli issue.

How much time did the news about the terrorist capture get? I think it was 10 seconds.

No wonder I almost never watch these mainstream news broadcasts anymore. What a dangerous joke they have become!

Noj

I messed up the end of that post. I am actually a white christian, to be honest. I meant that certain redneck jerkoffs on this site seem to hate any person on the planet who is muslim, while the real terrorists(small number of al'queda in US) are still allowed to operate. If you think about it, hating all muslim citizens of the USA helps al'queda agents.

I am not a troll. And who the hell is Keithjoy?

Poe are you one of Farakans boys???

We hate ==ly all muslums!!!
The Muslums who cut peoples heads off don't care what color they are only that they are not muslums!!!
Or poe are you one of the desert Muslums? the ones that the Iranis are coming after?
Me I see the big Picture we need to nuke Iran!
the Fox is watching the hen house and we already have 5 more nuke nation under the watchful of the UN and eL-bar-a-day
The Muslum???

Not afraid of Muslums I believe in a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!!!

More Blacks Run as Republicans in the South
NewsMax.com Wires
Monday, June 14, 2004
ATLANTA – Herman Cain is a well-to-do black businessman with a strong belief that the Democratic Party that blacks embraced during the civil rights struggle has swung too far to the left.
That is why he is running for the U.S. Senate this year as a Republican.
More black Republicans are running for office in Georgia this year than ever before, and black candidates in other Southern states are also finding that declaring for the GOP is more accepted than it was just a few years ago.
It is a small shift that Republican activists say could pay big dividends if it continues.
"It doesn't mean the majority of blacks will be voting Republican anytime soon," said Atlanta GOP pollster Whit Ayres. "But if you can move the percentage of blacks who vote Republican from 5 percent to 15 percent, you will change the outcome of a lot of close Southern elections."
That may be why the Republican National Committee has an office dedicated to courting black voters and candidates, and has several blacks running in high-profile races.
In North Carolina, Winston-Salem City Councilman Vernon Robinson is running for Congress with campaign mailings likening himself to the state's arch-conservative icon: "Jesse Helms is back! And this time he's black."
In Georgia, a record 14 black Republican candidates are seeking legislative seats. Among them is Willie Talton, who is running unopposed for the House and plans to take office in January as the first black Republican lawmaker in the Georgia Legislature since Reconstruction.
Georgia's slate also includes Dylan Glenn, a young black political operative with ties to President Bush. Glenn is running for Congress.
Alabama gained its first black Republican state lawmaker since Reconstruction when Rep. Johnny Ford changed parties last year.
Two black Republicans are on the ballot in Tennessee this year. And in Florida, Rep. Jennifer Carroll of Jacksonville became that state's first female black Republican legislator when she was elected in 2003.
What is driving some blacks to abandon the party most closely associated with civil rights to join the more conservative party?
One reason given is the improving economics of black households.
In Georgia, for example, black household income still trailed that of whites in the 2000 census. But the median income in black households rose faster than that of white households over the past three decades: 655 percent to 469 percent.
"It's not just people who've already moved into the middle class, but people who are trying to move up economically who are deciding that they are better aligned with many of the Republican candidates," said Senate candidate Cain.
Another factor is that to many younger voters, the civil rights struggle is just something they have read in history books, said William Boone, a political science professor at historically black Clark Atlanta University.
"Look at the age category of these folks. Many of them are folk who are several generations removed from the civil rights movement and have a different view of what the world is all about," he said.
For some blacks, there is a sense that Democrats have taken them for granted for years.
LaRon Bennett Sr., a black businessman from Glynn County who is running as a Republican for county commission, said Democrats "used fear and intimidation to keep blacks in the party, painting the picture that, in essence, they were the only alternative. You don't have any place to go."
In the Republican Party, "there's a great willingness and eagerness to have good, solid, sound minority candidates," Bennett said.
The party's record on civil rights might not be flawless, he added, "but today I think the party has changed significantly, and is changing."
For others, there is a belief the Democratic Party does not speak for blacks on some issues.
Cain, who opposes abortion, said he believes a majority of black voters take a similar view on that and other issues of family values.
Boone, the political science professor, is not ready to go that far, but said the experts were mistaken when they categorized all blacks as liberal.
"The black folk we've chatted with indicate they are against abortion. They are prepared to talk about choice, but whether they would condone abortion, the answer is no," Boone said.
Will white Republicans vote for a black candidate? And will black voters support a Republican? Georgia's July 20 primaries and the Nov. 2 general election will help provide answers.
Emory University political science professor Merle Black said he believed most blacks would continue to support Democrats.
"This activity is concentrated among a relatively small number of conservative blacks," he said. "The vast majority of African-American voters are Democrat. I haven't seen much evidence of substantial growth of black Republicanism in the state."
Bobby Kahn, Georgia's Democratic Party chairman, agreed.
Every election cycle, the Republicans "try to prove they're an inclusive party, notwithstanding the domination by white guys. But then their policies and tactics seem to contradict any effort at inclusion," he said. "This is symbolic and nothing more."

Poe the Truth hurts remember cindy McKenny! Lost Big!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Poe:

I messed up the end of that post.

You also "messed up" the beginning:

Ahhrggh!!! Run for the hills and call in the useless-and-drunk-off-their-asses National Guard

As an Army Reserve senior NCO currently on active duty getting a National Guard combat brigade ready for deployment to Iraq, I'd like to invite you to stick your comment up your ignorant ass.

Yea we should trust our safty to people who can't even catch 4 men behind a wall!

They keep saying that they will treat Johnson will be treated like those in prison well they can not kill him then Now can they?

Saudi Arabia

International Religious Freedom Report
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy without legal protection for freedom of religion, and such protection does not exist in practice. Islam is the official religion, and the law requires that all citizens be Muslims. The Government prohibits the public practice of non-Muslim religions. The Government recognizes the right of non-Muslims to worship in private; however, it does not always respect this right in practice.
There generally was no change in the status of religious freedom during the period covered by this report. The Government continued to detain Shi'a religious leaders and members of the Ismaili Shi'a community in Najran province. Freedom of non-Muslims to worship privately has received increasing attention in recent years through published interviews with government officials and press articles that addressed the subject in the context of human rights; however, the right to private worship remains restricted.

Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.” Tabari VII:150 “I had tied my prisoner’s thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. ‘Well done!’ he said, and prayed for me to be blessed.”
Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”
Tabari VIII:22 “Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans’ throats. So I said: ‘Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him.”
Tabari VIII:22/Ishaq:458 “‘Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,’ Hassan said. ‘You know that I am not the man to do it.’ When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, ‘Hassan, go down to him and strip him—only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.’ Hassan replied, ‘I have no need for his spoils.’”
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.” Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:90 “Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, ‘Is this sword of yours sharp?’ ‘Yes,’ he replied. ‘May I look at it?’ Basir asked. ‘If you wish.’ Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, ‘Your Companion has killed my friend.’ While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, ‘Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.’” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V5B59N360 “The total number of Muslim fighters from Mecca who fought at Badr and were given a share of the booty, were 81. When their shares were distributed, their number was 101. But Allah knows it better.”
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
Tabari VII:65 “Allah’s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah’s possession. There was a similar number of dead.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
Ishaq:515 “Allah’s Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property.”
Tabari VIII:128 “Khaybar was divided among the people who had been at Hudaybiyah.”
Ishaq:521 “Khaybar was apportioned among the men of Hudaybiyah without regard to whether they were present at Khaybar or not. The spoil was divided into 1,800 shares.”
Ishaq:521 “When the spoil of Khaybar was apportioned, the settlements of Shaqq and Nata were given to the Muslims while Katiba was divided into five sections: Allah’s fifth [which Muhammad was custodian]; the Prophet’s fifth; the share to the kindred [Muhammad’s kin]; maintenance of the Prophet’s wives [now there’s an honest report]; and payment to the men who acted as intermediaries in the peace negotiation with Fadak [which enabled the prophet to steal the entire spoil].”
Ishaq:522 “Then the Apostle distributed the booty between his relatives, his wives, and to other men and women. He gave his daughter Fatima 200 shares, Ali 100, Usama 250, Aisha 200, Bakr 100…. In the name of Allah—this is a memorandum of what Muhammad the Apostle gave his wives from the dates and wheat: 180 loads.”
Bukhari:V5B59N537 “Allah’s Apostle divided the war booty with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier.”
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 9:103 “Take alms out of their property in order to cleanse and purify them, and invoke Allah for them; surely this is a relief for them.”
Tabari IX:3 “Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.”
Tabari IX:13 “Abu Talhah alone took the spoils of twenty men whom he had killed.”
Ishaq:571 “I went up to a man and struck off his hand. He fell and I killed him while he was down. But I was too occupied with fighting to pay any more attention to him. So one of the Meccan Muslims passed by and stripped him. Then when the fighting was over and we had finished with the enemy, the Apostle said that anyone who had killed a foe could have his spoil. I told the Apostle that I had killed a man who was worth stripping but had been too busy killing others at the time to notice who had spoiled him. Abu Bakr said, “To Allah’s lions who fight for His religion go the spoils that come from their prey. Return the booty to the man who killed him.’ The Apostle confirmed Abu Bakr’s words. So I was given the property of the man whom I had killed. I sold it and bought a small palm grove with the money. It was the first property I ever owned.”
Ishaq:592 “The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘Muhammad, divide the spoil and booty of camels and cattle among us.’ They forced the Prophet up against a tree, and his robe was torn from him. Muhammad cried, ‘Give me back my robe. If there had been more sheep I would have given you some. You have not found me to be niggardly, cowardly or false.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘You have not found me miserly, cowardly, or a liar.’ Then he walked over to his camel and took a hair from its hump. Holding it aloft in his fingers he said, ‘Men, I do not have anything of your booty, not even as much as this hair. Just filth. And that filth is what is being given to you. So, bring back my cloak.’”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”
Bukhari:V4B53N373 “Allah’s Apostle got property and war prisoners and gave them to some people to the exclusion of others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, ‘I give to some people, lest they should deviate from Islam or lose patience.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?”
Tabari IX:37/Ishaq:596 “Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
Tabari IX:38 “In this year, the Messenger sent Amr to collect the zakat tax from Jayfar and Amr, the clans of Julanda and Azd.... He collected the jizyah from the Zoroastrians.”
Tabari IX:74 “Indeed, Allah has guided you with His guidance. If you wish to do well [capture booty], obey Allah and His Messenger. You must perform the prayers, pay the zakat tax, and give a fifth share of Allah’s booty to His Messenger. The required zakat is: from the land one tenth of that watered by springs and rain, and one twentieth of that watered by the leathern bucket. From camels, a milch camel for every forty camels, and a young male camel for every thirty camels. From sheep, one for every five camels; and from cows, one from every fourth… If anyone pays more, it is to his credit. He who professes this, bears witness to his Islam and helps the faithful [fight] against the polytheists, he has the protection of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:76 “The Messenger has sent Zur’ah and his Companions to you. ‘I commend them to your care. Collect the zakat and jizyah from your districts and hand the money over to my messengers.’ The Prophet is the master of your rich and your poor.”
Ishaq:564 “The Muslims stole our goods and divided them. Their spears pierced us not once but twice. Their squadrons came at us like a swarm of locusts. Were it not for the religion of Muhammad’s people, their cavalry would never have attacked us.”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “When the Prophet died, Arabs reverted to disbelief. Umar said, ‘Should we fight these people?’ Bakr said, ‘By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat, as Zakat is to be taken from property according to Allah’s Orders. If they refuse to pay me even so little as a kid they used to pay, I will fight with them for withholding it.’”
Qur’an 59:6 “What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger He has taken away from them [the Jews]. For this you made no raid. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whomsoever He wills. Whatever booty Allah has given to His Messenger and taken away from the [Jewish] people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Messenger.... So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.”
Tabari VII:26 “In this year Muhammad ordered people to pay the zakat tax. It is said that the Prophet commanded them to do this.”
Ishaq:309 “‘Bind Abu Aziz tight for his mother is rich and she may ransom him for a great deal of money.’”
Tabari VII:71 “Among the captives was Abu Wada. Muhammad said, ‘He has a son who is a shrewd merchant with much money.” [The son] “slipped away at night, went to Medina, ransomed his father for 4,000 dirhams.”
Ishaq:312 “The Prophet said, ‘Abbas, you must ransom yourself, your two nephews, Aqil and Nawfal, and your confederate, Utbah, for you are a wealthy man.’ ‘Muhammad,’ Abbas said, ‘I was a Muslim, but the people compelled me to fight against my will.’ Allah knows best concerning your Islam,’ Muhammad said. ‘As for your outward appearance, you have been against us, so pay to ransom yourself.’ The Messenger had previously taken twenty ounces of gold from him following the battle. So Abbas said, ‘Credit me with this amount towards my ransom.’ ‘No,’ Muhammad replied. ‘That money Allah has already taken from you and given to us.’”
Ishaq:313 “The Muslims told Abu Sufyan to pay them a ransom to free his son, Amr. He replied, ‘Am I to suffer the double loss of my blood and my money? After you have killed my son Hanzala, you want me to pay you a ransom to save Amr?’”
Bukhari:V5B59N357 “The Badr warriors were given five thousand dirhams each, yearly. Umar [the future Caliph] said, ‘I will always give them more than what I will give to others.’”
Tabari VII:80 “When the events of Badr were over, Allah revealed the 8th surah, ‘The Spoils of War,’ in its entirety. The two armies met [there were no armies—just merchants and militants] and Allah defeated the Meccans [with Muslim swords]. Seventy of them were killed, and seventy were taken captive. Abu Bakr said, ‘O Prophet of Allah, these are your people, your family; they are your cousins, fellow clansmen, and nephews. I think that you should accept ransoms for them so that what we take from them will strengthen us.’” Tabari VII:81 “‘What do you think Khattab?’ Muhammad asked. ‘I say you should hand them over to me so that I can cut off their heads. Thus Allah will know that there is no leniency in our hearts toward the unbelievers.’ The Messenger liked what Bakr said and did not like what I said, and accepted ransoms for the captives.”
Ishaq:316 “On the Badr expedition, the Messenger took the sword of Dhu al-Faqar as booty. It had belonged to Munabbih. On that day he also took Abu Jahl’s camel as booty. It was a Mahri dromedary on which he used to go on raids. It is said that he wrote ‘Ma’aqil’ [Blood-Money] on his sword.”
Qur’an 8:1 “They question you about (windfalls taken as) spoils of war. Say: ‘Booty is at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger; they belong to Us and are for Our benefit. So fear Allah, and adjust your way of thinking in this matter. Obey Allah and His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:321 “The Spoils of War surah was handed down because we quarreled about the booty. So Allah took it away from us and gave it to His Apostle. When He did, we learned to fear Allah and obey his Messenger.... For in truth, our army had gone out with the Prophet seeking the caravan because we wanted its booty.”
Ishaq:324 “Allah taught them how to divide the spoil. He made it lawful and said, ‘A fifth of the booty belongs to the Apostle.’
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”
Qur’an 8:68 “Had it not been for a previous agreement from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that you took as booty.”
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”
Bukhari:V4B52N276 “By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, ‘The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.’”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us. Allah’s Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders —giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast.”
Tabari VIII:39 “Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa’d bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms.”
Ishaq:503 “Allah saw what was in their hearts [what they coveted] so he rewarded them with victory and with as much spoil as they could take. Allah promised that they would soon capture a great deal of booty.”
Ishaq:508/Tabari VIII:91 “Abu Jandal, Suhayl’s son, escaped and joined Abu Basir. Nearly seventy Muslim men gathered around them and they harassed the Quraysh. Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods.”
Tabari VIII:93 “According to Waqidi, in this month, the Messenger sent out Ukkashah with forty men to raid Ghamr. He traveled quickly, but the enemy became aware and fled. He sent out scouts and they captured a spy who guided them to some of their cattle. They took two hundred head back to Medina.”
Tabari IX:28 “The Muslims were concerned. They did not want to give up their share. So Muhammad said, ‘He who holds a share of these captives shall get six camels for every slave from the next booty we take.’ So the Muslims returned the women and children captives.”
Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

PEACE, ISLAM STYLE:
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”
Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”
Tabari VII:86 “Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: ‘If you apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations).’ When Gabriel had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, ‘I fear the Banu Qaynuqa.’ It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced upon them.”
Tabari VII:158 “Judayy went to Abd Allah Ibn Ubayy to ask for support. He said, ‘I found him sitting among a number of his companions while the Prophet’s crier was calling men to arms. He said, ‘This is a clever trick of Muhammad’s.’ The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not kill them and that their property and their coats of mail would be his.”
Tabari VII:159 “The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir for fifteen days until he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a camel and a water-skin.”
Tabari VII:159 “The Prophet fought them until he made peace with them on condition that they evacuated Yathrib. He expelled them to Syria but allowed them to keep what their camels could carry, except for their coats of mail and weapons.”
Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an 97:5 “There is peace until the dawning of the day!”
Ishaq:515 “When the people of Fadak heard what had happened, they sent word to the Messenger, asking him to banish them and spare their lives, saying they too would leave him their property. When the people of Khaybar surrendered on these conditions, the survivors asked Muhammad to employ them on their farms for a half share of whatever they produced. They said, ‘We know more about farming [seeing that you are terrorists and all].’ So Muhammad made peace with them for a half share, provided that: ‘If we want to expel you, we may.’ He made a similar arrangement with Fadak. So Khaybar became the prey of the Muslims, while Fadak belonged exclusively to the Messenger of Allah, becoming his personal property, because the Muslims had not attacked its people with cavalry.”
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
Tabari VIII:104 “Peace to whoever follows the right guidance! To proceed; Submit yourself, and you shall be safe.’”
Qur’an 49:9 “If two parties among the Believers fall into fighting, make peace: but if one becomes aggressive, then fight against the one that transgresses until it complies.”
Tabari VIII:142 “The Messenger made peace with them on condition that the Zoroastrians should be required to pay the jizyah tax [so onerous, it’s akin to economic suicide] that one should not marry their women.”
Qur’an 9:7 “How can there be a covenant between Allah and His Messenger and the disbelievers with whom you made a treaty near the sacred Mosque?” Qur’an 9:8 “How (can there be such a treaty), seeing that they get an advantage, the upper hand over you? They do not pay you respect, or honor you or the ties of kinship or covenant. With (good words from) their mouths they entice you [out negotiate you], but their hearts are averse to you.”
Qur’an 9:12 “If they violate their oaths and break treaties, taunting you for your Religion, then fight these specimens of faithlessness.”
Tabari VIII:163 “The Prophet said, ‘I think you will see Abu Sufyan [the leading Meccan merchant] come to strengthen the pact and extend the term.’” Ishaq:543 “Abu Sufyan went to Muhammad in Medina to affirm the peace treaty, but Muhammad refused to speak to him.” Tabari VIII:164 “Sufyan went to Abu Bakr and asked him to intercede, but he refused. When Sufyan asked Umar to help [avert war], he replied, ‘No way. By Allah, if I had only ant grubs, I would fight you with them! Ali said, ‘Woe to you, Sufyan. When the Messenger has determined a thing it is useless for anyone to talk to him.’”
Tabari VIII:165 “There is nothing that you can do to make peace with him.”
Tabari VIII:165 “When Abu Sufyan reported back to the Quraysh that Muhammad had given him no reply, they said, ‘Woe to you! By Allah, he did no more than play with you.’”
Ishaq:544 “Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, ‘O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.’”
Tabari VIII:182 “Allah had enabled Muhammad to take the persons of the Quraysh by force, giving him power over them so they were his booty. Their lives were now his spoil.”
Ishaq:552 “When the populace settled down, Muhammad went to the Ka’aba and compassed it seven times on his camel, touching the Black Stone with a stick. Then he went inside the Temple. There he found a dove made of wood. He broke it in his hands and threw it away.” [The first idol Muhammad broke was the international symbol of peace.]
Tabari IX:58 “When the Messenger reached Tabuk the governor of Aylah [a seaport at the north end of the Gulf of Aqabah] came to him, made a treaty, and agreed to pay the jizyah tax. The people of Jarba and Adhruh also offered to pay him the tax.”
Ishaq:607 “The Byzantines encountered the Messenger’s cavalry which was led by Khalid. Ukaydir was seized and his brother Hassan was killed. Muhammad spared his life and made peace with him on the condition that he pay the zakat tax.”
Tabari IX:79 “In this year the zakat was made obligatory, and the Messenger dispatched his agents to collect it. The verse was revealed: ‘Take the zakat from their wealth to purify them.’”
Ishaq:316 “In peace you are wild asses—rough and coarse. And in war you are like women wearing corsets. But I care not so long as my hand can grasp my trusty blade.”
Qur’an 8:61 “But if the enemy inclines toward peace, do you (also) incline to peace, and trust in Allah. Should they intend to deceive or cheat you, verily Allah suffices: He strengthened you with His aid and with Believers.” [The small print is real important. “Should they intend to deceive or cheat” is an open invitation to invoke 8:57 to 60. The first to interpret this surah said:]
Ishaq:326 “If they ask you for peace on the basis of Islam (submission), make peace on that basis. Be of one mind by His religion.”
Tabari VIII:17 “The Muslims and polytheists stayed in their positions for twenty nights with no fighting except for the shooting of arrows and the siege. When the trial became great for the people, the Messenger sent for the leaders of the Ghatafan [Meccan comrades]. He offered them a third of the date harvest of Medina on condition that they leave. The truce between the sides progressed to the point of drawing up a written document, but there was no witnessing or firm determination to make peace; it was only a matter of maneuvering.”
Ishaq:454 “Now that Allah has conferred Islam on us, and made us famous, shall we give them our property? By Allah, we will offer them only the sword until Allah judges between us.’ ‘As you wish,’ said Allah’s Messenger.”
Tabari VIII:100 “Abu Sufyan said, ‘We were merchants but the fighting between us and Muhammad has prevented us from journeying, so our wealth is depleted. [This is the purpose of terrorism.] Even after the truce with the Muslims, we fear that we still are not safe. [Muslims, continuing to plunder Meccan caravans, violated the treaty twenty times.]’”
Qur’an 4:90 “For those who join a group between you and whom there is a treaty, or (those who become) weary of fighting you, had Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. Therefore if they withdraw and wage not war, and send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah has not given you a way (to war) against them.” [The purpose of terror is to cause people to become so “weary of fighting” they surrender.]
Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.” [So if you wish to live in peace, but are perceived as being mischievous (i.e., non-Muslim), Allah has given his Jihad warriors “a clear sanction and authority to seize and kill” you.]
[top] [toc] [quotes main]

PEACEFUL MUSLIM HYPOCRITES:
Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”
Qur’an 48:17 “There is no blame for the blind, nor is it a sin for the lame, nor on one ill if he joins not in the fighting. But he who retreats, (Allah) will punish him with a painful doom.”
Qur’an 4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”
Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”
Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Qur’an 47:20 “Those who believe say, ‘How is it that no surah was sent down (for us)?’ But when a categorical [decisive or uncompromising] surah is revealed, and fighting and war (Jihad, holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) are ordained, you will see those with diseased hearts looking at you (Muhammad) fainting unto death. Therefore woe unto them!”
Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”
Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”
Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”
Qur’an 9:16 “Do you think you will get away before Allah knows who among you have striven hard and fought?”
Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”
Qur’an 9:43 “May Allah forgive you (Muhammad). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind; you should have persisted as regards to your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until you had known the liars.”
Qur’an 9:44 “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.”
Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those [peace-loving Muslims] who do wrong and are wicked.”
Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”
Qur’an 9:67 “The Hypocrites enjoin what is forbidden, and forbid what Islam commands. They withhold their hands (from spending in Allah’s Cause [Jihad]). They have forgotten Allah so He has forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are oblivious, rebellious and perverse.”
Qur’an 9:68 “Allah has promised the Hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell for their abode: Therein shall they dwell. It will suffice them. On them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment, a lasting torment.”
Qur’an 9:74 “The Hypocrites swear by Allah that they said nothing, but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they disbelieved after Surrender (accepting Islam). They meditated a plot (to murder Prophet Muhammad) which they were unable to carry out. The reason for this revenge of theirs was the bounty [of booty] with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back, Allah will punish them with a grievous torment in this life and in the Hereafter.”
Qur’an 9:75 “Some of you made a deal with Allah, saying, ‘If You give us booty we shall pay You the tax.’ But when He gave them booty, they became greedy and refused to pay. As a consequence of breaking their promises, Allah filled their hearts with hypocrisy which will last forever.”
Qur’an 9:77 “He punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they lied to Allah and failed to perform as promised. Allah knows their secrets. Those who slander and taunt the believers who pay the zakat (for Allah’s Cause) voluntarily and throw ridicule on them, scoffing, Allah will throw back their taunts, and they shall have a painful doom. Whether you ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable). If you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them.”
Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back (from the campaign) to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them (Muhammad) that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”
Qur’an 9:85 “And let not their wealth or (following in) sons dazzle you or excite your admiration. Allah’s plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and to make sure their souls perish while they are unbelievers. When a surah comes down enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask you for exemption from Jihad. They prefer to be with (their women), who remain behind (at home). Their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives (in Allah’s Cause).”
Qur’an 9:90 “And there were among the wandering desert Arabs men who made excuses and came to claim exemption (from the battle). Those who lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home. Soon will a grievous torment seize them.”
Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
Qur’an 9:101 “Among the desert Arabs are hypocrites. They, like the people of Medina are obstinate in hypocrisy. We know them. Twice shall We punish them, and in addition they shall be brought back to a horrible torment.”
Qur’an 9:120 “It is not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allah’s Cause), nor to prefer their own lives to his life. They suffer neither thirst nor fatigue in Allah’s Cause, no do they go without reward. They do not take steps to raise the anger of disbelievers, nor inflict any injury upon an enemy without it being written to their credit as a deed of righteousness.”
Tabari IX:13 “Muhammad turned to see Umm, a pregnant woman, who said, ‘O Messenger! Kill those [Muslims] who flee from you as you kill those who fight you, for they deserve death. Here is my dagger. If any come near me I will rip them up and slit open their belly with it.’”
Tabari IX:49 “One of the hypocrites, feeling an aversion to battle, being skeptical of the truth, and spreading false rumors about Muhammad, said that they should not go out in the heat. With regard to him, Allah revealed: ‘They said, “Do not march out in the heat.” Say, “The heat of hell is far more intense.”’”
Ishaq:602 “Jadd told Muhammad, ‘Will you allow me to stay behind and not tempt me? Everyone knows that I am strongly addicted to women. I’m afraid that I’ll see Byzantine women and will not be able to control myself.’ The Apostle gave him permission to remain behind. It was about him that Allah sent down: ‘There are some who say: “Give me leave to stay behind and do not tempt me.” Surely they have fallen into temptation already and hell encompasses these unbelievers.’ (9:49) It was not that he feared the temptation from the Byzantine women. The temptation he had fallen into was greater in that he had hung back from the Apostle and sought to please himself rather than Muhammad. Verily hell awaits him.”
Ishaq:603 “One of the estranged ones said to another, ‘Don’t go out to fight in this heat.’ He disliked strenuous war, doubted the truth, and created misgivings about the Apostle. So Allah sent down regarding them, ‘And they said, “Do not go out in this heat.” Say, “The fires of hell are hotter. Let them laugh a little now for they will weep a great deal later as a reward for what they did.’” (5:82)
Ishaq:603 “Some Bedouins came to apologize for not going into battle, but Allah would not accept their excuses.”
Ishaq:246 “The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them. So Allah sent down, “Have you not considered the Hypocrites who say to their brethren, the People of the Book [Jews], ‘We shall never obey anyone against you. If you are attacked and driven out we will help you. Allah bears witness that they are liars.’”
Qur’an 59:11 “Have you not observed the Hypocrites saying to their unbelieving brethren among the People of the Book, ‘If you are expelled [from your homes by the Muslims], we will go with you?’ But Allah is witness that they are liars. If the Jews are expelled, never will the Hypocrites go with them; if they are attacked, they will not help them defend themselves. In truth you [jihadist Muslims] are more fearful and awful (than they) because they are afraid of you. This is a result of the terror (sent) by Allah. They are men devoid of understanding.” Qur’an 59:14 “They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell.”
Qur’an 8:20 “O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. Do not turn away from him when you hear him speak. Do not be like those who say, ‘We hear,’ but do not listen. Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless. If Allah had seen any good in them, He would have made them listen. And even if He had made them listen, they would but have turned away and declined submission.”
Qur’an 8:47 “Be not as those who came from their homes full of their own importance, trying to turn men away from [fighting] in Allah’s Cause. Allah is encircling them. Satan made their acts seem alluring to them, and said: ‘No one can conquer you this day, while I am near you.’ But when the two armies came in sight of each other, he turned on his heels, and said: ‘Lo! I am not with you. I see what you cannot. Verily, I fear Allah: for Allah is severe in punishment.’”
Qur’an 8:49 “When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘The religion has deceived and misled them.’”
Qur’an 8:55 “Verily the worst of creatures, the vilest of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him and will not believe. They are those with whom you make an agreement, but they break their covenant every time, and they keep not their duty [to fight].”
Qur’an 61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”
Qur’an 63:1 “When the Hypocrites come to you they say, ‘We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah.’ Allah knows you are His Messenger, and Allah bears witness the Hypocrites are indeed liars.” Qur’an 63:2 “They have made their oaths a screen, thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds. That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts.”
Qur’an 63:4 “When you look at the Hypocrites, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are pieces of wood propped up. They think every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah is on them! Allah will destroy them. How are they deluded and perverted?” Qur’an 63:6 “It is equal to them whether you ask forgiveness or not. Allah will never forgive them. Allah does not forgive the transgressing people.”
Qur’an 63:7 “The Hypocrites are the ones who say, ‘Spend nothing on those who are with Allah’s Messenger so that they will desert him.’ But to Allah belong the treasures of the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not. They say, ‘If we return to Medina, surely the more honorable (element) will expel the meaner (i.e., Muhammad).’”
Ishaq:372 ““When he went out, Abd Allah bin Ubayy [the man who had advised against leaving town] came back with 300 men, saying, ‘We do not know why we should get ourselves killed here.’ So he went back to Medina with the Hypocrites and doubters who followed him. Abd Allah bin Amr said, ‘Allah curse you, enemies of Allah.

God Bless the Country who has Heros Pitty the country who needs them!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

The reaction by the Ohio Muslim's is no
big revelation,in Canada the real insult to us
after the 911 attack was when Muslim leaders
feared backlash and Islamophobia.
I just don't believe that Islam teaches the
value of human life,the proof is that when ever
a Muslim is arrested for terrorism the community
jumps to their defence,when the guilt is proven
they claim it wasn't a true Muslim.
If Islam meant peace then Muslim's in Ohio
would have been outraged that thousands of shoppers might have been slaughtered in the name of Islam,but no,they're big issue is that they had
their feelings hurt and are worried about the
perception of Islam by non-Muslims in America.

While CAIR Canada didn't even report that
24 Canadian's died in the 911 attack,they also
failed to denounce the Arab and Muslim's on
TV that said the American's deserved it because
of their backing of Israel.
The usual rant came out later and of course
it opposed all violence against innocent persons
including the Palestinians.

A Brother Muslim is falsly accused and arrested and Anti-Islamists play the same act as everyday: Judge, Jurry & Executioner.

This Brother confessed to nothing and he is at this moment under the same psychological and physical torture as Iraqis in Abu-Ghraib which is now proven to be a daily routine in american prisons.

There Is Also not a single evidence I can read in this article about where and how exactly he wanted to do it. He has been outside america which seems to be reported at that time, But only becuase Federal Authorities are telling this to us, it must be OK and We Will Sacrifice This Brother for our 'Anti-Terror' causes. No Matter What!

Forget the fact that "Abdi did not have a lawyer in court Monday afternoon during his arraignment..". We Won't Practice What We Preach. Forget the Other Fact too:
"Abdi was arrested early in the morning on Nov. 28, 2003 -- the day after Thanksgiving. That day is normally the biggest shopping day of the year.
"This plot was foiled while still in the planning stages," said Bill Hunt of the U.S. Attorney's Office."
IF This Plot was in 'planning stage', The arrest of this Brother in that 'busy shopping day' doesn't make a single sense becuase he was not going to do it in that day anyway so what's the point if it's a 'busy' day or not ?

This Brother is arrested becuase he is a foreigner, Somalian & Muslim in a community area that he never had an equal chance to develope himself. Building The Prisons will not fix america.

Hey, Catherine, please don't post such long, long quotes in the comments logs. If you've got something major to say, put it online somewhere and post a URL.

DC Watson & Others

We might have to disagree on this one. I am sure there are more than few Somalias that are sponging of us but I think the majority, especially the ones I know, work doing the jobs that other often won't do. I am still more fearful of the geeky Islamic extremist somewhere in an apartment off High Street planning some unholy act. I can tell you stories of talking football or current events over a beer with a few Saudis that seemed harmless enough, only to have their conversation drift to jihad and the location of the nearest strip clubs after a few more beers. I am more conerned over the person I grew up with in "little ole rural Ohio," who now is a prominent member of an Islamic groups I deem to be radical. I realize these last few sentences may sound ironic or exaggerated, but I assure you they are not.

Iyman Faris couldn't blow up a ballon and I bet the more we find out about his cohort, the more we wil find he wasn't any smarter. Most of the Somalias have a purpose. The want to get out of the dirt poor poverty you spoke of. None of the 19 hijackers were Somali, they were predominently Saudi. Aimless rich guys seeking their purpose in life because they couldn't get any chicks.

The old "liberal" model of the terrorist as some poor downtrodden person fighting for his survival has faded to some rich geek that has to go to strip clubs like Mohammad Atta because he can't get any chicks to talk to him. I am the first person that gets upset with name calling so I don't want to disparage all of the Saudis. However, it was through them that (outside of Middle Eastern History Class) I first heard of jihad and "Sheik Bin Laden," and this was in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

Some of the atheist posters on this site attack us Christians saying all of us are bible thumping fundamentalists. I would gladly take a guy thumping his Bible while he figures out God's plan for him as compared to a rich jihadist that thinks he's got to kill himself and thousands of infidels to secure his place with his 72 virgins.

Fro
Nice video, good beat. Are you sure the language isn't english? Sounds like a lot of rap I've heard, can't figure out what they are saying either. Add a couple half dressed "hoes" and it could be on MTV.
*************************************************
Anyway
Where are all our crazies and white supremists. Why haven't we heard from them? You'd figure at least one would have gone off the deep end and stirred up some sh*t. Maybe it is happening and I just don't hear about it.
Finally got my first gun so I'm ready.

Mo-ham-od
Ever heard of the INS well we got him on those charches and he does not get the same court an American does?

tziona
what are you a terrorist don't want the people to know what the evil book of the muslums say?

T think it is good to read this and see this peaceful way you believe!!!

Info is the best weapons! The American People see your lies now!!

THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V5B59N360 “The total number of Muslim fighters from Mecca who fought at Badr and were given a share of the booty, were 81. When their shares were distributed, their number was 101. But Allah knows it better.”
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
Tabari VII:65 “Allah’s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah’s possession. There was a similar number of dead.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
Ishaq:515 “Allah’s Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property.”
Tabari VIII:128 “Khaybar was divided among the people who had been at Hudaybiyah.”
Ishaq:521 “Khaybar was apportioned among the men of Hudaybiyah without regard to whether they were present at Khaybar or not. The spoil was divided into 1,800 shares.”
Ishaq:521 “When the spoil of Khaybar was apportioned, the settlements of Shaqq and Nata were given to the Muslims while Katiba was divided into five sections: Allah’s fifth [which Muhammad was custodian]; the Prophet’s fifth; the share to the kindred [Muhammad’s kin]; maintenance of the Prophet’s wives [now there’s an honest report]; and payment to the men who acted as intermediaries in the peace negotiation with Fadak [which enabled the prophet to steal the entire spoil].”
Ishaq:522 “Then the Apostle distributed the booty between his relatives, his wives, and to other men and women. He gave his daughter Fatima 200 shares, Ali 100, Usama 250, Aisha 200, Bakr 100…. In the name of Allah—this is a memorandum of what Muhammad the Apostle gave his wives from the dates and wheat: 180 loads.”
Bukhari:V5B59N537 “Allah’s Apostle divided the war booty with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier.”
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 9:103 “Take alms out of their property in order to cleanse and purify them, and invoke Allah for them; surely this is a relief for them.”
Tabari IX:3 “Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.”
Tabari IX:13 “Abu Talhah alone took the spoils of twenty men whom he had killed.”
Ishaq:571 “I went up to a man and struck off his hand. He fell and I killed him while he was down. But I was too occupied with fighting to pay any more attention to him. So one of the Meccan Muslims passed by and stripped him. Then when the fighting was over and we had finished with the enemy, the Apostle said that anyone who had killed a foe could have his spoil. I told the Apostle that I had killed a man who was worth stripping but had been too busy killing others at the time to notice who had spoiled him. Abu Bakr said, “To Allah’s lions who fight for His religion go the spoils that come from their prey. Return the booty to the man who killed him.’ The Apostle confirmed Abu Bakr’s words. So I was given the property of the man whom I had killed. I sold it and bought a small palm grove with the money. It was the first property I ever owned.”
Ishaq:592 “The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘Muhammad, divide the spoil and booty of camels and cattle among us.’ They forced the Prophet up against a tree, and his robe was torn from him. Muhammad cried, ‘Give me back my robe. If there had been more sheep I would have given you some. You have not found me to be niggardly, cowardly or false.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘You have not found me miserly, cowardly, or a liar.’ Then he walked over to his camel and took a hair from its hump. Holding it aloft in his fingers he said, ‘Men, I do not have anything of your booty, not even as much as this hair. Just filth. And that filth is what is being given to you. So, bring back my cloak.’”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”
Bukhari:V4B53N373 “Allah’s Apostle got property and war prisoners and gave them to some people to the exclusion of others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, ‘I give to some people, lest they should deviate from Islam or lose patience.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?”
Tabari IX:37/Ishaq:596 “Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
Tabari IX:38 “In this year, the Messenger sent Amr to collect the zakat tax from Jayfar and Amr, the clans of Julanda and Azd.... He collected the jizyah from the Zoroastrians.”
Tabari IX:74 “Indeed, Allah has guided you with His guidance. If you wish to do well [capture booty], obey Allah and His Messenger. You must perform the prayers, pay the zakat tax, and give a fifth share of Allah’s booty to His Messenger. The required zakat is: from the land one tenth of that watered by springs and rain, and one twentieth of that watered by the leathern bucket. From camels, a milch camel for every forty camels, and a young male camel for every thirty camels. From sheep, one for every five camels; and from cows, one from every fourth… If anyone pays more, it is to his credit. He who professes this, bears witness to his Islam and helps the faithful [fight] against the polytheists, he has the protection of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:76 “The Messenger has sent Zur’ah and his Companions to you. ‘I commend them to your care. Collect the zakat and jizyah from your districts and hand the money over to my messengers.’ The Prophet is the master of your rich and your poor.”
Ishaq:564 “The Muslims stole our goods and divided them. Their spears pierced us not once but twice. Their squadrons came at us like a swarm of locusts. Were it not for the religion of Muhammad’s people, their cavalry would never have attacked us.”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “When the Prophet died, Arabs reverted to disbelief. Umar said, ‘Should we fight these people?’ Bakr said, ‘By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat, as Zakat is to be taken from property according to Allah’s Orders. If they refuse to pay me even so little as a kid they used to pay, I will fight with them for withholding it.’”
Qur’an 59:6 “What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger He has taken away from them [the Jews]. For this you made no raid. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whomsoever He wills. Whatever booty Allah has given to His Messenger and taken away from the [Jewish] people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Messenger.... So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.”
Tabari VII:26 “In this year Muhammad ordered people to pay the zakat tax. It is said that the Prophet commanded them to do this.”
Ishaq:309 “‘Bind Abu Aziz tight for his mother is rich and she may ransom him for a great deal of money.’”
Tabari VII:71 “Among the captives was Abu Wada. Muhammad said, ‘He has a son who is a shrewd merchant with much money.” [The son] “slipped away at night, went to Medina, ransomed his father for 4,000 dirhams.”
Ishaq:312 “The Prophet said, ‘Abbas, you must ransom yourself, your two nephews, Aqil and Nawfal, and your confederate, Utbah, for you are a wealthy man.’ ‘Muhammad,’ Abbas said, ‘I was a Muslim, but the people compelled me to fight against my will.’ Allah knows best concerning your Islam,’ Muhammad said. ‘As for your outward appearance, you have been against us, so pay to ransom yourself.’ The Messenger had previously taken twenty ounces of gold from him following the battle. So Abbas said, ‘Credit me with this amount towards my ransom.’ ‘No,’ Muhammad replied. ‘That money Allah has already taken from you and given to us.’”
Ishaq:313 “The Muslims told Abu Sufyan to pay them a ransom to free his son, Amr. He replied, ‘Am I to suffer the double loss of my blood and my money? After you have killed my son Hanzala, you want me to pay you a ransom to save Amr?’”
Bukhari:V5B59N357 “The Badr warriors were given five thousand dirhams each, yearly. Umar [the future Caliph] said, ‘I will always give them more than what I will give to others.’”
Tabari VII:80 “When the events of Badr were over, Allah revealed the 8th surah, ‘The Spoils of War,’ in its entirety. The two armies met [there were no armies—just merchants and militants] and Allah defeated the Meccans [with Muslim swords]. Seventy of them were killed, and seventy were taken captive. Abu Bakr said, ‘O Prophet of Allah, these are your people, your family; they are your cousins, fellow clansmen, and nephews. I think that you should accept ransoms for them so that what we take from them will strengthen us.’” Tabari VII:81 “‘What do you think Khattab?’ Muhammad asked. ‘I say you should hand them over to me so that I can cut off their heads. Thus Allah will know that there is no leniency in our hearts toward the unbelievers.’ The Messenger liked what Bakr said and did not like what I said, and accepted ransoms for the captives.”
Ishaq:316 “On the Badr expedition, the Messenger took the sword of Dhu al-Faqar as booty. It had belonged to Munabbih. On that day he also took Abu Jahl’s camel as booty. It was a Mahri dromedary on which he used to go on raids. It is said that he wrote ‘Ma’aqil’ [Blood-Money] on his sword.”
Qur’an 8:1 “They question you about (windfalls taken as) spoils of war. Say: ‘Booty is at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger; they belong to Us and are for Our benefit. So fear Allah, and adjust your way of thinking in this matter. Obey Allah and His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:321 “The Spoils of War surah was handed down because we quarreled about the booty. So Allah took it away from us and gave it to His Apostle. When He did, we learned to fear Allah and obey his Messenger.... For in truth, our army had gone out with the Prophet seeking the caravan because we wanted its booty.”
Ishaq:324 “Allah taught them how to divide the spoil. He made it lawful and said, ‘A fifth of the booty belongs to the Apostle.’
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”
Qur’an 8:68 “Had it not been for a previous agreement from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that you took as booty.”
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”
Bukhari:V4B52N276 “By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, ‘The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.’”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us. Allah’s Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders —giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast.”
Tabari VIII:39 “Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa’d bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms.”
Ishaq:503 “Allah saw what was in their hearts [what they coveted] so he rewarded them with victory and with as much spoil as they could take. Allah promised that they would soon capture a great deal of booty.”
Ishaq:508/Tabari VIII:91 “Abu Jandal, Suhayl’s son, escaped and joined Abu Basir. Nearly seventy Muslim men gathered around them and they harassed the Quraysh. Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods.”
Tabari VIII:93 “According to Waqidi, in this month, the Messenger sent out Ukkashah with forty men to raid Ghamr. He traveled quickly, but the enemy became aware and fled. He sent out scouts and they captured a spy who guided them to some of their cattle. They took two hundred head back to Medina.”
Tabari IX:28 “The Muslims were concerned. They did not want to give up their share. So Muhammad said, ‘He who holds a share of these captives shall get six camels for every slave from the next booty we take.’ So the Muslims returned the women and children captives.”
Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

Maybe this is why they are stealing every thing in sight!!

I don't understand why the libs are upset about the Iraqis this is how the belive! Muslums ane not peaceful!!!

Iran the next axis of Evil don't believe the press Little Iran we are on to you! we see your dervisions and the American People will not fill sorry one bit! Look at this past week the press have bashed President Reagan for Years and while he was President and the People still support him?
We see we Can not let you get nuks!!! and will have to do what our Grandparents did in WW2 we will not give up our Freedom do not be mislead! we will use all means to protect the USA!!!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give then Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

DJH Says:
DC Watson & Others
We might have to disagree on this one.....

Don't Worry DJH, Soon You will also go where Captain Kirk went just one week ago, After having some beers with some Muslim Friends in a Bar, He decieded to 'jump off the train' of Anti-Islamists and Apologists and face the true society.

This must be an example for every peacefull american, looking for solving their problems decently.

Congratulations Poe, for making your self look unbelievably moronic. First rule of pointing out bias in others: Do not engage in the very same sort of generalizations and ad hominem.

As to the generalizations regarding US muslims: I've said this before and I'll say it again. I firmly believe, after much thorough research, that there can be no accomodation between democracy and islam, at least as it is currently interpreted.

Now, having said that, the only conclusion I can make concerning 99.9% of the muslims in this country is that they are either actively or passively engaged in trying to supplant our representative democracy with a sha'ria-based system of barbaric laws, OR they are not serious about their beliefs.

I'm simply too sick of it all to try to sort out the good muslims from the bad. I figure it shouldn't be that hard: those that truly are against what is being done in their names ought to be doing everything possible to assist the law enforcement community in rooting out the islamists in their midst. And I'll believe in a moderate islam when I hear even one US muslims leader tell CAIR--Hooper in particular--to have a nice big mug of "shut the F___ up!"

Oh, and before you pigeonhole me, I'm college educated, have two degrees, and work in the DC metro area as a Fire/Paramedic Captain. I saw on 9/11--up close and personal--the results of political correctness. As an Irishman, I'd be the first person to stand up and say (if 19 Irishmen flew planes into buildings) "Please profile me. It's the least I can offer to the country I love." Can't say I've heard of an US muslim doing any such thing....

In my business I have seen alot of immigrants coming to America, especially middle easterners. But they were always single males.

In the last two years it has gotten very strange. I am getting married couples coming to America, and the female is always four to five months pregnant. I never see a single male anymore.

Once the child is born,he is a American citizen and the parents cannot be extradited.

It is also strange that all of them are getting in with the endorsement of Catholic Social Services, and no they are not Catholic. It is the Catholic Social Services pulling couples out of refugee camps.

I think it is worth looking into with Catholic Social Services to see if there is a trend going on. And why?

DJH
You need to get your guns back get rid of the lib party!
Sorry about Blair but he is a lib and signed onto the lose of your guns!

The only way to fight this evil is fight them!

God Bless the Country who has Heros pitty the country who needs them!

As far as this guy being to stupid well they said the same about the guys who blew up the WTC in 1993?

If you read what I posted from the evil Book then you will see that tey are told to use the stupid for killing!

TEHRAN -- Toughening its stance in advance of a meeting of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, Iran yesterday said it would reject international restrictions on its nuclear program and challenged the world to accept Tehran as a member of the "nuclear club."
Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi rejected further outside influence on Tehran's nuclear ambitions two days before the International Atomic Energy Agency board of governors meets to discuss Iran's highly controversial program.
"We won't accept any new obligations," Kharrazi said. "Iran has a high technical capability and has to be recognized by the international community as a member of the nuclear club. This is an irreversible path."
Iran has repeatedly insisted its nuclear program is geared toward generating electricity, not making weapons, but the United States and its allies say Tehran has a secret nuclear weapons program.
Iran has suspended uranium enrichment and stopped building centrifuges. It has also allowed IAEA inspections of its nuclear facilities without prior notice, part of the additional protocol to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty that still must be approved by parliament.
Kharrazi insisted that Iran would not give up its development of the nuclear fuel cycle, the steps for processing and enriching uranium necessary for both nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Iran says it has achieved the full cycle, but is not now enriching uranium.
"That somebody demands that we give up the nuclear fuel cycle . . . is an additional demand," Kharrazi said, apparently referring to demands by U.S. and European countries that Iran halt operations of a plant it inaugurated in March in Isfahan, central Iran, that processes uranium into gas. The demand also calls for aborting plans to build a heavy water reactor in Arak, another central city.
"We can't accept such an additional demand," he said. "No one in Iran can make a decision to deny the nation of something that is a source of pride."
Kharrazi condemned a draft resolution critical of Iran, drawn up by Germany, France, and Britain and being debated before the IAEA board meeting tomorrow, which says Iran's cooperation with the agency has not been complete.
The minister said insistence by Europeans on "very tiny issues is contrary to the spirit of cooperation." He said that by doing so, the European countries are bowing to U.S. pressure and showing a "lack of independence."

Iran Says Too Bad: It Will go Nuclear
NewsMax Wires
Monday, June 14, 2004

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength an Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Alaska
Remember the pope had been on the side of the muslums untill they tried to take his church in Spain?

The popes spokesmen have sided with the terrorist a few times saw on TV to tired to look through my records know I have it some where!

A lot of these churchs think that they are mexicans? saw on tmc2 after 9/11 a mexican reporter in Baggdad in a class room and all the teens spoke perfect Spanish?

Thing to do is keep an eye on them and boycott any bussiness who give them Jobs!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Quote: "In the last two years it has gotten very strange. I am getting married couples coming to America, and the female is always four to five months pregnant. I never see a single male anymore.

Once the child is born, he is an American citizen and the parents cannot be extradited."

Yes, Alaska, sadly this is true. It is why we need reform in our policies of immigration. I think all of this could be prevented if we passed a law saying that children born on American soil to non-immigrants are not automatically citizens and can only become citizens after the parents officially become American citizens. This means they are not entitled to any benefits until the citizenship process is completed. As such, many of the people who "suck up our resources" would find it much more discouraging to enter America through the back door and they would have less of a reason to try and immigrate here.

This is my two-cents in the matter. Too bad it won't happen. :-(

well there is reason to bash reagan

you know he sold iran

hawk and tow missiles even though there was a embargo on iran and this is after the american hostage episode... so effectively they where
on a prebush "axis of evil"

here is a refresher
of what a hawk and tow missile are

hawk:
http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/archives/hawk_f80_intercept.jpg

tow:

http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/tow/images/TOW_on_HWMMV.jpg

thus there is alot of ground to be critical of reagan and his administration. for a bunch of people that got in such uproar over clinton selling missile tech to china you folks are really selective on your anger...

Joseph:

for a bunch of people that got in such uproar over clinton selling missile tech to china you folks are really selective on your anger...

There's also a hell of a lot of difference between giving Iran a few wire-guided anti-tank missiles and obsolete anti-aircraft weapons and letting the Chinese steal advanced guidance technology for ICBMs.

The Iranians aren't going to use the stuff they got from us to nuke any of our cities, for one thing.

To the Somali jihadi

He is a handsome young man,
brimming with life force,
brainwashed by a belief system
that says murder comes from a sacred source.

A belief system that says the other,
all those who are Free,can't be a brother,
(or sister), that says that women
must be mutilated,
the essence of their pleasure
the organ beyond treasure, cut out.

Somali, your beauty is only on the outside,
not on the inside, where the best lies,
where your best lies won't hide
that you hate enough to kill
innocent men, women and children.
jihadi, you are a fool. You can't win.

lobo can you provide any links to articles about clintons allowing of icbm tech to flow to china. i always can only find rightist news sites like frontpage and newsmax talking about it. and sites that are a bit more... respectable? I would like to further my knowledge. I remember when this was in the news but i would like more details.

Joseph:

i always can only find rightist news sites like frontpage and newsmax talking about it. and sites that are a bit more... respectable?

Here's a whole slew of stories from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm

And here's where Loral was fined $14 Million:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/BUSINESS/asia/01/09/china.loral/

Those "respectable" enough for you?

The muslims are such idiots...don´t they think individuals who lost loved ones might in the end love death more than life and choose a place and time to do a "Michael Stone" ( hey muslim dicks go google that!) ....I know I would.

Giving instant citizenship to a baby who is born on your soil is the height of stupidity. It might have seemed right back in the olden days, but things & people were a whole lot different in the olden days. Time to change. Refugees were a different thing back in the 50's when the UN created the Refugee Convention. Today that convention is being abused, just like this automatic citizenship, by parasites, people who want to USE the system for their own benefit, nobody else's. To the detriment of the host country.

Australia's system is far better. Born here to foreign parents? You're not an Aussie citizen, sorry. One of your parents has to be at least a Permanent Resident. That's the only smart way to do things.

To just hand it out automatically, at birth, is insulting and cheapening the worth of citizenship.

And now, because of this cheap and easy way of citizenship you can't get rid of scum like this Somali jihadist. You should anyway. Toss him and his family out. Sorry,that's the price you pay for waging war on the country that takes you in and gives of itself to you. Maybe that would be more of a deterrent. If a jihadi had any care for his family, he'd think twice about risking their US residency with his acts of hate and murder.

EVERYONE, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.........

COMMMANDER OF THE KHOBAR TERRORIST SQUARD TELLS THE STORY OF OPERATIONS

www.littlegreenfootballs/weblog

SOME QUOATES FROM THE ARTICLE...NOT FOR THE TIMID!

" we found a Swedish infidel. Brother Nimr cut off his head and put it at the gate"

"we continued to search for the infidels and slit the throats of those we found"

"we found Philippino Christians. We cut their throats and dedicated then to our brothers the Mujahideen in the Philippines."

It goes on and on like this, even talks about how they stopped for lunch at one point.

You can go to the links on this page to Little Green Footballs for the complete story, but it is very grusome.

Catherine:

"tziona
what are you a terrorist don't want the people to know what the evil book of the muslums say?"

On the contrary, my dear, I think it's very important that people read the evil philosophies of Islam, but they will not read it properly in these comment boxes. Post a URL instead so that we can read it in a proper sized browser with the facilities to print and/or save. Pasting thousands of words into a tiny screen designed for comments about a specific news story achieves nothing and detracts from the debate, never mind the fact that it swallows up gallons of bandwidth.

"Info is the best weapons! The American People see your lies now!!"

My lies!?!?

Yes, info is a powerful weapon, but like all weapons, if you don't handle it with care it will misfire, and if you don't focus on the target you'll miss.

When they come for you, Joseph, what will you do, argue point? Or cry out to Michael Moore for help? (in Lieu of God).

Oh. Never mind. They will have sawed off MM's head by then.

Catherine, I agree with just about everything you say, but I'm fed up with the long quoted material. Please, PlEaSe, PLEASE just post a link! Please!

~NMJ

Dang Gary, that's cold........But hilarious nonetheless.

D.C.

Mahmoud & Catherine etc

First of all, I have had friends who were Muslim my whole life. One might strerotype small midwestern towns as having no sign of Islam. That is not the the case, most of the Muslims kids, especially the guys I knew growing up, were like everyone else, playing sports, listening to music and trying to see if any girls liked them. As I have pointed out in a previous post, I did grow up with someone who is prominent member of an Islamic group I deem to be radical.

However, the true radicals I met were in college. They were wealthy sons of Saudis, Indonesians and Pakistanis. These are the wealthy, aimless people who are prime targets for radicals because of the hypocricy they saw and participated in growing up. The womanizing, the drinking, the drugs, the strip clubs, the gambling vacations in Las Vegas and Beirut. Unlike the poor Muslim immigrant who has a purpose in life, that being to get out of the poverty they find themselves in, these wealthy radicals are trying to find their purpose and to them it seems it lies in killing themselves and lots of infidels to collect their 72 virgins in paradise.

The point of my posts has never been to name call or paint a whole group of people as being evil. I have merely pointed out the inconsistencies in the way I feel America has been made to feel by a naive, fairly liberal world that we are responsible for Islamic extremism and the threat it still holds. I have also tried to present a view from the conservative wing of the Democratic party. Religion has always interested and been important to me and I feel that my role here was to present a an alternative view to any jihadists and Atheists that freqently visit this site. Jihadists and Atheists don't understand that Christianity's "conquering phase" began centuries after Jesus and ended centuries ago while Islam's "conquering phase" began in it's infancy and has never stopped.

If anyone thinks I am naive about the jihadist threat, they are sadly mistaken. I feel with this Columbus case that we are watching a movie where everyone believes in the obvious suspect while the real criminals are not far off laughing at the incompetency of the investigation. These two miscreants couldn't successfully rob a church bus full of old ladies let alone blow up a mall. I wish Ashcroft and the boys would concentrate on sophisticated terror cells, probably reading this post, operating within this country. Do you think that a sophisticated Al Qaeda cell would have anything to do with these two idiots? Where's Adnan Shukrijuma, Adam Gadahn and Dr Siddiq? There could be hundreds here like them. We need to worry about the likes of people like that who have no purpose here but to harm us instead of a labeling all immigrants as terrorists when 99% want nothing more than to enjoy the life that you and I do.

We need to worry about the likes of people like that who have no purpose here but to harm us instead of a labeling all immigrants as terrorists when 99% want nothing more than to enjoy the life that you and I do.

Posted by DJH at June 15, 2004 09:50 AM

DJH, a good reason for the suspicion of all immigrants of Islamic culture is this:

Of the 212 suspected and convicted terrorists during 1993-2003, 86% were Muslim immigrants, with the remainder mainly converts to Islam.

They are all being looked at because of the "Trojan Horse" strategy they're applying. They weren't painted with a broad brush by us, they do the painting all by themselves.

I wish Ashcroft and the boys would concentrate on sophisticated terror cells, probably reading this post, operating within this country. Do you think that a sophisticated Al Qaeda cell would have anything to do with these two idiots?

DJH,

How do you know Ashcroft and company are not taking care of these cells?Do you think its an accident there have been no attacks in the US since 9/11?

Mahmoud-

glad to find that you consider drinking a few beers at a topless bar a better way to resolve disputes...than say, exploding yourself and dozens of others...those guys realize that Islam can coexist with other beliefs...they just manage to ignore the parts about violent jihad, and that there can be no other valid religion except Islam. They also forgot the parts about alcohol and modesty, looks like...

From what I have read from your posts, it couldn't hurt you either.

DC Watson, Hmmm etc

My point (I will use an analogy of the movie Jaws) is this. Everyone's getting all hot and bothered over these two idiots pretending to be the big bad shark (terrorists) while the real sharks (Adam Gadahn, Adnan Shukrijuma, Dr Siddiq and others unknown)) are in the tidal pool!

Do you remember that scene from the movie. I am not denying the shark is there. I know it's there! I just want you to realize that and ignore what it isn't the problem. I hope that Attorney General Ashcroft has dozens of people in jail I don't know about. However, it just seemed ridiculous to me to get everyone all worked up over these two dumb and dumber terrorist when they real McCoy's are out there. These two miscreants aren't the A,B or C team. Hell, they ain't even on the practice squad. I want the A,B and C team arrested!

DJH, yes but you haveto admit, if they want to keep jutting their little jaws out there for us, it's fun to knock the hellout of them. I do understand what you mean, but since they real McCoys are within reach for me to throttle their throats personally, I must settle for Raisin and Twinkie, the Jihad sisters.

Sorry- I have a broken space bar, and it works part time, like Raisin's brain, and Twinkie's spell check.

"Like all Americans, the Muslim community is concerned about the security of America," Council on American-Islamic Relations-Ohio Executive Director Jad Humeidan said. "The leadership of the Ohio Muslim community is ready, willing and able to work with law enforcement authorities for the safety and security of this country."

Immigrants have it entrenched in what's left of their minds that the second they cross the American border, that they're Americans. This should insult everyone born here, as well as the families before us that helped build this nation.

If you're not an American Citizen, you are nothing more than a visitor here, get that through your thick domes.

It's time to deport people like this. They have absolutely no legitimate reason to even be in the United States.

djh
What are you doing to help catch terrorist wait! Are you one of the kind who has no self defence??? Do you wait when a killer is in your house for the cops to come or do you blow them away??

Well if you are the one who waits I will say Good-By now! You will be with joey with his roses??

Yes the terroist will win a few battles but they will loose the WAR!!!!

Thanks to all who see the truth and Fight

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to Stay the course to Victory Amen

Americans are peaceful until you kill their own. It will be a sad day when Islam rouses the most un-important Americans because when they hit the streets in protest,,, their government will surely listen and re-act quickly and with a vengence you have never imagined possible...

America, the land of the Free.

I say set the geazers in their morter homes on the boders and give them all the beer an cigs they want and let them use their shot guns and any thing that moves from a certian distance they are to Shoot I know quit a few who shoot 25 skeat??

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS djh when the sh-t hits the fan do you want your Muslum friends to watch your back LOL

Americans are peaceful until you kill their own. It will be a sad day when Islam rouses the most un-important Americans because when they hit the streets in protest,,, their government will surely listen and re-act quickly and with a vengence you have never imagined possible...

America, the land of the Free.

Posted by No_TO_JIHAD at June 15, 2004 07:54 PM

We do not take to the Streets. We get our guns and Ammo ready!!!

Do not think because we are not in the Street shoutin we are not ready we are prepared as if there was a storm and we have done what our forfathers said to do to defend FREEDOM we are Armed In All Flavors!!!

Part Of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give the Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

I get the creeps everytime I see a muslim. Is it islamaphobia, or is it that I sense WW3? This situation that United States Citizens face today will eventually manifest itself into a martial law situation where the USA patriots are slaughtering muslims, muslims are destroying infrastruture, police and national guard are killing both muslim and patriots. Thats the future folks. You can thank your liberal politicians and media for this!

scotty

Catherine

"DJH are you one of those that has no self defense"

With all do respect what in the hell are you babbling about? I was the first one to come to your defense when one of our demented angry liberal posters attacked you. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. I have had no trouble defending myself in my 30+ years on this planet. What was all this stuff about Tony Blair in one of your other posts? I am an American and certainly not a liberal. Next time know who or what you are talking about before you go on one of your rampages.

Re Reagan and Iran-Contra, four salient facts need to be pointed out: (1) The Soviet Union had a client state athwart the Central American Isthmus and a row of dominos pointed straight at our southern border; (2) Justice Arthur Goldberg said in the 1963 Mendoza decision that the Bill of Rights was not a suicide past. The same goes for the whole rule of law ideal; (3) Iran's been an important player in the Middle East since around 700 BC; (4) there was some hope that Iran could be helpful in getting hostages in Lebanon released.

Also, I wouldn't be too tough on immigrant communities. One way the FBI was able to bag those guys in Buffalo a few years back was because people in the Yemeni immigrant community went to the authorities. The NYPD was also able to prevent an attack on the NY subway system because a Jordanian Muslim immigrant took the initiative to inform them. Some of these people do appreciate what they have here, and will do what they can to protect it.

There's another way you can be in the USA and be neither a citizen nor a mere visitor: you can be a perfectly legal immigrant who hasn't been in country long enough to get naturalization. You can also be a refugee granted asylum.

DJH, appreciate your point about the wealthy zhlubs who are planning terror and abusing US hospitality at the same time.

Poe, the Jews didn't go around murdering people in the name of their religion then brag about it. Hating Muslims is a good thing. There are plenty of crummy Islamic countries these savages can move to if they can't deal with the West. The reason why they move from those Islamic countries is that Islam sucks so their countries suck yet they pay us back with their treason, violence and bigotry. Screw Islam and Muslims!

DHJ
Your bable about jaws just pissed me off I get pissed I am human not a monster!I am sure you will get over It!
Guess you never get mad at anyone??
Does not mean you hate them I didn't call you a name or anthing I didn't like your bable and you sounded like a bleeding heart lib!

Now maybe you are and maybe you aren't How am I to know who you are!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Catherine

I am a big boy so I didn't take anything personally, but I wanted to let you know that having defended you before I felt like you should realize where I come from. The Jaws example was about the two idiot wanna be terrorists in Columbus along with the 7 wanted FBI terror suspects. The post was my way of saying lighten up on people and see where they are coming from before you make you label them.

In my humble opinion, Catherine is certifiable.
She (perhaps he?) is the kind of person who has no power in life, so they go on the internet, post a lot of bullshit, then go flippin' crazy when someone argues against their crackpot ramblings.
Also, she seems to have trouble spelling. Just wait for how flippin' crazy her response to this post will be! You'll see.

In my humble opinion, Catherine is certifiable.
She (perhaps he?) is the kind of person who has no power in life, so they go on the internet, post a lot of bullshit, then go flippin' crazy when someone argues against their crackpot ramblings.
Also, she seems to have trouble spelling. Just wait for how flippin' crazy her response to this post will be! You'll see.

jake,

try to show a little more maturity, and contribute more than venom. If not, keep your thoughts to yourself. Hate has no place here.

Education does.

I think we should tell the al queda faction that we will let their brethren who are prisoners go if they stop kidnappings for 1 week

if they do this
take the prisoners to some isolated area -
tell the others where they can pick up their comrades -- and when their friend come to pick them up JUST drop a Small - tiny tachtical nuclear device on them

Cape Coral

Unfortunately, so many law abiding immigrants whose case is still pending with INS are paying the price. INS does not know what it is doing. They grant asylum for immigrants who should not even be allowed to enter the United States.