Pakistan-based Lashker raises suicide squads in Iraq

Again OT, but required reading, I do believe:

http://techcentralstation.com/061604B.html

And another OT: Iranians massed on the border of Iraq? Fine. Good test of Daisy Cutters.

Sarcasm aside, we should remember that very recently the murder-contracting mullahs in Iran signed up recruits for suicide bombings hit squads. Thus, this revelation should be no surprise. Perhaps the mullahs have taken a page from Catholicism before the reformation, offering "indulgences" against the sin of suicide if one commits murder in the name of Allah.

Hmmm 2,000 horny little muslims looking for their porno afterlife...why not gather them in a town square and drop a few bombs on them...we claim to care about peoples rights....these guys have a right to their virgins and here we are just sitting around not helping them to that great whorehouse in the sky....we are awful, we do nothing and these poor undersexed guys are wallowing around virginless on the earth...please lets help them, cant we start an organization, a march, tee shirts...something, people come on, there are muslim men out there going without virgins and young servant boys...please lets help them meet allah/

I always get distinct pleasure from imagining the disapointment that muslim suicide bombers would feel, upon realising that the 72 virgins don't exist when they're dead.

Why don't they visit the playboy mansion when they're alive, rather than for waiting for sex when they're dead.

Does any one happen to know the reason for "72" virgins? I mean why not 52, or 89 or 104?

Seminary students, murderers, only in Islam are the two inseparable!

I dont know why 72? Maybe thats all mohammud thought he could handle (he was no spring chicken and viagara wasnt available)...or maybe thats as high as he could count...who knows...but he was smart enough to use blatent virgin sex to lure horny old men into doing his bidding...makes you wonder if one of us started a religion that offered 172 virgins if muslims would convert....
and lets not forget the 28 handsome prepubescent boys...now what do you suppose those sickos will be doing with those little boys....yuk.

Only an idiot religion would offer 72 virgins. One or two is fine, but who wants to train 72 of them? Give me 72 beautiful your women trained by Heidi Fleiss, and then we'll talk...

*ROFL* That is an awesome point, USAgirl. We are being cruel by denying these terrorists their eternal reward! But you know how the press would howl if we assisted them. Being Muslim means you can always talk out of both sides of your mouth.

~NMJ

hearing a lot about the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. The pictures of those “abused” prisoners have been plastered all over the front pages of papers around the country. Some of my conservative friends have interpreted the excessive coverage as proof that papers like the New York Times are actually rooting against America in its current war on terror. Even those who aren’t willing to go that far say that such coverage is helping the enemy to recruit a new generation of terrorists to inflict harm upon our troops.
Despite these views, I have decided to make a formal public apology to the entire Arab world in the aftermath of Abu Ghraib. It is my hope that the following apology will help bring some clarity to the situation and, who knows, maybe even lasting world peace:

Dear Arabs,

I am truly sorry that Americans decided to take up arms and sacrifice their own youth in the defense of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, and the first Gulf War. After we clear up this mess in Iraq, we will refrain from any such activity in the future.

I am truly sorry that I did not hear any of you call for an apology from Muslim extremists after 911. After all, the hijackers were all Arabs.

I am truly sorry that Arabs have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships throughout the Middle East. I am also sorry that the “leaders” of these nations drive their citizens into poverty by keeping all of the wealth in the hands of a select few.

I am also sorry that these governments intentionally breed hate for the U.S. in their religious schools while American schools do the exact opposite.

I am sorry that Yasir Arafat has been kicked out of every Arab country and has attached his name to the Palestinian “cause.” I am also sorry that no other Arab country will offer nearly as much support to Arafat as we offer to them.

I am sorry that the U.S. has continued to serve as the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arab nations while wealthy Arab leaders blame the U.S. for all of their problems.

I am sorry that left-wing media elites would Rather (pun intended) not talk about any of this, thereby perpetuating your anger towards us. It’s probably really bad for your blood pressure. I am also sorry that most of you lack the medical resources to measure your blood pressure. And, of course, I’m sorry that few of you have indoor plumbing. That’s bad for your health, too.

I am sorry that the U.N. cheated so many poor people in Iraq out of their “food for oil” money so they could get rich while the tortured, raped, and poverty-stricken citizens of Iraq suffered under Saddam Hussein.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers after their children are blown to pieces in pursuit of Arafat’s “cause.”

I am sorry that these homicide bombers have as little regard for babies as the local office of Planned Parenthood.

I am sorry that so many people are unable to differentiate between the gang rape rooms and mass graves of Saddam Hussein on the one hand, and the conditions of Abu Ghraib on the other.

I am sorry that our prison guards do not show the same restraint that Arabs show when their brothers in arms are killed. By the way, you shouldn’t be sorry about that.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state. I am sorry we have not yet dropped at least 100 Daisy cutters on Fallujah in order to stop that effort.

I am also sorry that cleaning up the mess in Iraq is taking so long. It only took Saddam Hussein about 30 years to accomplish all he did in the realm of human rights. Come to think of it, that’s about ten years less than the duration of our War on Poverty in the U.S. Come to think of it, I’m sorry we haven’t sent all of our gang bangers from South Central Los Angeles to Fallujah.

I am sorry that every time the terrorists hide, it just happens to be inside a “Holy Site.”

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have not yet apologized for the U.S.S.
Cole, the embassy bombings, and for flying a plane into the World Trade Center, which collapsed in part on Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which is one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry that we have not taken a portion of the diet of Michael Moore and shipped it to one of your starving villages in the Middle East. You need it Moore (pun intended) than he does.

I am sorry that your only supporters are professors, journalists, and other assorted Leftists who also support homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, partial birth abortion, and everything that you abhor in this world. I am sorry that everyone else in America is against you.

Finally, I am sorry that I am going to have to end this apology by asking you to kiss the right side of my conservative butt. I’m probably just having a bad day.

For that I am truly sorry

If all this is about sex why ur gouvernement dont offer "72" virgins to each jihadi and bu that u stop jihad.

So dream about it ur ignorance is our best weapon against u

Robert:
As I've posted before on these threads, even the most superficial survey of history show that most modern revolutions and subversions are the acts of bored rich kids and their jealous siblings...the principle players in the Russian revolution were aristocrats, for example.

Phil said:

"even the most superficial survey of history show that most modern revolutions and subversions are the acts of bored rich kids and their jealous siblings"

Is that what Noam Chomsky told you over an eco-friendly latte at Starbuck's?

"Superficial" does accurately describe your knowledge of near-term history.

18 of 21 current wars are being fought by Islamic religious extremists, and many of their leaders can't even read.

Keep your battles in the lecture halls, where you can win them.

Well jihadist...the US govt doesnt sell girls into sexual slavery (bet that thought just got you all worked up and horny huh) and I doubt that there would be 1 let alone 72 pretty young American girls willing to spit on a muslim pervert let alone sacrifice her virginity to him. Nah you guys wouldnt be able to handle an American woman...better keep with your subservant muslim women in their sexy burkas.

And if islam isnt based on one perverts fantasy then why all the mention of 180 foot virgins and your choice of cute little boys to boink in the koran...tell ya why, because without those promises no one would follow this crap...unfortunatly there will be no amazon virgins or little boys to fulfill your homosexual fantasy...thats what it takes to get men to follow islam...biggest crowd of perverts on the planet.

Geeze all Christians get is eternal life with Jesus and God...no brothel of virgins wating for Christians...yet they outnumber muslims...go figure.

Phil - Bored, rich, under-employed that are rebelling against society, i.e., mommy and daddy have been responsible for starting and perpetuating many a revolution, coup, etc. Think of Fidel Castro, Che Guevarra, and so on.

Now the rich Muslim brats of the world have something to prove, want to find their fortunes, and gain a personal empire as did the knights of old that went out to claim by right of conquest. An old story, the difference being we are the spoils, our human capital, and the lands and goods they want to take are ours!

I was a grad student at a Christian seminary. While we had some military people attending the seminary, and while we raised funds and supported many activities, homicide attacks was not one of them. None of the profs taught about hating anybody who was not Christian. Not of them preached about destroying the heathen. Amazing.

Bob Owens,
You know what I meant! Who do you think molds these losers into suicide squads? Young men enter Islamic seminary schools for the same reason that medieval Europeans entered the monastery - three squares and what passes for an education. And do you really believe that any of these leaders really, at days end, are doing it for some common good?No! It's about them! This is their life and we (including the people they claim to be liberating but are merely using as "cannon fodder")are just in it - we're all props in their homocidal drama queen's gruesome opera.(and just look at the sentences you're making me write!!!For christ's sake, Bob Owens, you know we're on the same side!)As far as history is concerned, the romantic image of freedom fighter who rose from oppressed surroundings to lead the people is great Messianic Mythology and is deeply ingrained in civilization's collective consciousness,(which is why we have always been able to accept inplausible explanations about lone gunmen, that there were only two students involved in Columbine, only two disaffected redneck ex-GI's involved in the Oklahoma City bombings, ad nauseum)but is nonetheless just that,mythology!
And epg - just because Castro and Guevarra started poor doesn't mean they weren't "adopted" (Cinderella mythos, anyone?)by their rich fairy godmother, the former Soviet Union.
Both of you have bought into the myth that continues to fuel the Islamist's Fantasy Ideology.

And for the record, the last time I saw Noam Chomsky, the subject was transformational generativism, not politics.You,Bob Owens, don't even know who he is, or you wouldn't have linked him to my comment - between that and your glib statistic lifted straight from the pages of USA Today, I can tell the only battles you ever won in your junior college lecture hall was with spitballs.
"Superficial" does accurately describe your knowledge of near-term history.
I've forgotten more in six languages, than you will ever know, at your present rate.
It was such as you that Tucydides predicted, when he wrote that a nation who drew too great a distinction between its scholars and its fighters would end by having "its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools"

Which one have you become, Bob Owens?

Hey, what the hell, 1 in 5 American's has an STD, let them come over, we can send them back with Herpes, genital warts, HIV, and Heaven only knows what else.

Thought about this one on my way Lowe's tonight.

Jihadiots.

or did someone already coin that one?

"A majority of volunteers were drawn from the ranks of seminary students...."

how powerful false theology. the fundamental belief is salvation by works. the works in this instance are breakage of the sixth commandment through some bizarre suicide/homicide combination. it would seem that future deceptions will be more subtle.

to phil: while deeply impressed with your command of language, it would seem that your metaphysical explanation for war perpetration is too simple and smacks of hasty generalization. indeed, bored aristocrats wielding too much temporal power are both a nuisance and potentially dangerous. yet the society must function as a whole, and power structures are not easily explained as misfit rulers dominating drones of willing people who all take part in some flippant political philosophy. there has to be a certain amount of coercion, historical memory, and either elevation or suppression of intelligentsia in order to sell a population on a totalitarian idea. by controlling the corporal world, one has a pretty good shot at controlling the psychological world. the goldstein/winston smith interaction spells this out in agonizing detail. communism is social engineering by eliminating certain classes of people and re-arranging the natural social order. islamofascism is diabolical in nature, offering the desired fruits of paradise at the cost of obvious sin. both political philosophies are perpetrated by rulers who believe it is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

Subject: WWW III - While we snooze

: WW III

You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece.

Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, re-set the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again.

In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years.

U.S. Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert.

The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?

The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are.

America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

Please forward this to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action.

Gee. Surah 76 really does seem to promise it all! What I can't understand, then, is why the Muslim clerics always talk about Western decadence, when they themselves look forward to a Playboy Club!

To Reza and others: Had the shoe been on the other foot back in the US Embassy seizure in Iran in 1979; with the USA having the mobs and angry clerics and some Islamic superstate the power, how would that Islamic superstate respond?

ted:
Send me links on Goldstein/Winston Smith! Thanks.

Also, if you haven't already, read (no,class, not Harris, quit rolling your eyes or you're all staying after!And Catherine, if you insist on wearing those short skirts to my classroom I'll have to insist you sit in the front row!))The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek (just Chapter 10 entitled "How the Worst Get on Top")I'd appreciate your thoughts by email if possible.

onesandzeros,

"Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing."

The above is precisely why believe Bush should have summoned just a little more courage and not run for re-election. His country needed him to prosecute the war full time, and to keep it from being a "political thing". He's young yet,so he could've easily laid the groundwork for a hero's comeback in 2008 and easily kept the White House Republican for another four years.

Keeping a united front against an enemy envolves more than just silencing critics. Everyone must ask themselves, "What am I willing to give up to make this work?".

Besides, do the Republicans really believe that Dubya is the only man they have who can beat Kerry? If so, then they, and by extension, we, are lost.

Phil,

You are advocating an incumbent president to step down in the middle of a war?

That may not be the stupidiest thing I've heard on this site, but it isn't by much.

Bob Owens,
Not exactly, I'm saying that it should have been apparent early on that the Bush Administration could either prosecute the war or push for re-election, but not both. The bad timing helped politicize the war, polarize the country, and obscure all other considerations.
Had LBJ announced, back in the late '60's,that he was not going to run earlier than he did, and stick to the war, it would have allowed viable candidate(s)to emerge, rather than Nixon using the polarity to divide the country, play the "I'm the solution" card, and end up with more war and two terms (and we know how that ended).
If Bush was being a wartime president, and someone else had emerged as the next candidate, the Republicans would exhibit increased public leadership,and a broader domestic policy base...also, it wouldn't hurt to follow Reagan's example of "The Office, not the man".
The alternative is what we're stuck with now - the Bush Administration having to deal with a "war on two fronts".