Palestinian gunmen raid UNRWA offices in Jenin

LOOK AT THE HEADLINE THE ASSOCIATED PRESS CHOSE FOR THIS ARTICLE!!!!

Talk about Spin!!!The Article should be entitled TERRORISTS HALT THE UN REBUILDING OF JENIN...

From the AP website....

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AP-PALESTINIANS REBUILDING JENIN
U.N. crews halt reconstruction in West Bank refugee camp after gunfire
By ALI DARAGHMEH
Associated Press Writer

JENIN REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank - The United Nations suspended a construction project in this refugee camp after Palestinian gunmen threatened crews rebuilding houses destroyed by Israeli forces, a U.N. official said Thursday.

Many residents of the Jenin camp are complaining that their new houses, replacing those destroyed in Israeli incursions, are not big enough, said Sami Mshasha of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which aids Palestinian refugees.

In the most recent attack, five Palestinians from one family barged into the U.N. office in Jenin on Tuesday and opened fire with M-16 and Kalashnikov assault rifles, said Fahri Turkman, a Palestinian lawmaker.

No one was hurt, but it was the third such attack on U.N. personnel in the past six months. "We decided yesterday to freeze the construction until we can see that these irresponsible acts will not happen again," Mshasha said. U.N. officials complained to local leaders, who promised to rein in the militants, he said.

One gunman, who identified himself as Abu Maher, said he took action because the house promised to him was only half the size of the one Israeli forces destroyed. He said dissatisfaction in the camp was widespread, with some residents saying the wait for a new home was too long.

In more than three years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, Palestinian police have become increasingly ineffective _ particularly in the West Bank, where Israel does not allow Palestinian officers to patrol in uniform or with arms. Filling the void are gunmen who often resort to violence to settle personal scores.

The Jenin camp, one of the most militant in the West Bank, was the scene of a fierce battle in April 2002 that left 52 Palestinian gunmen and 23 Israeli soldiers dead.

Israeli bulldozers moving down the narrow streets shaved the fronts off many buildings, leaving them uninhabitable. Hundreds of homes were reduced to rubble. The Jenin raid was part of "Operation Defensive Shield," launched after 29 Israelis were killed in a suicide bombing carried out by a militant from the camp.

As part of the reconstruction, the U.N. agency is building 430 houses with $27 million from the United Arab Emirates, Mshasha said. Seventy apartments have been built so far, and more than 1,000 damaged houses have been repaired.

At least nine alleyways have been widened to ensure that new homes lining them are not damaged by Israeli armored vehicles in the future, a U.N. worker said.

Mshasha denied this, saying the roads were widened to improve the quality of life in the cramped camp by allowing for two-way traffic and sidewalks.

Whatever the reason, many residents are unhappy with the smaller new houses.

Raed Karawi said the agency gave him an apartment of 600 square feet. "This is not enough for me and my wife to live. We will have children soon. This is not fair," he said, threatening to buy 20 old cars and block the new roads.

Not everyone is complaining, however.

Near the edge of the camp is a row of gleaming white buildings, one of them the three-story home of the 12-member Aweid family. Ali and Hind Aweid said Thursday that they also received new rose-print sofa and other furniture.

"The truth is that it is even nicer than before, even twice or three times better," said Hind Aweid, 52. The Aweids lived in a rented apartment until their new home was completed late last year.

Let me get this straight: The "Palestinians" aren't happy with the quality or speed of construction of the new FREE houses the UN is providing them, so their solution is to SHOOT the people who are building them?

Someone remind me again why we bother trying to do anything for these people?

Five men armed with M-16 rifles raided the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) offices in the camp on Friday to protest that the new houses were two small. The gunmen threatened to harm the UN staff if their demands for larger houses were not met.

United Nations socialism gone wrong? If you don’t GIVE me a bigger house, I will kill you???? Sounds like Canada…….

Get out of there and let them build their own houses, as big as they would like. Ungrateful bastards.

“Your grandchildren will live in small apartments owned by the Israelis."

hmmm.... wonder what reza's take is on this? mahmoud any comments? isnt greed a sin? why isnt this in the tv news?

the ungrateful arabs should bow down and kiss the feet of the generous, benevolent Israelis for allowing such vile, disgusting people to continue living in Judea anD Samaria.

YES REZA, MAHMOUD THIS IS A JEWISH CONSPIRACY OHHH the poor muslims.

The Pals. must be realy pissed off at the U.N

The man who planned the terrorist murder of young philanthropist businessman Gadi Rajwan in February 2002 was apprehended last night - at his own wedding.

And Tel-iva was listed as a historical city to be protected by the whole World!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the Course to Victory Amen

No wonder they are killing U.N. workers?
Maybe we should give Israel some MOABs?

This helps me understand why the Lebonese and Beruit and Jordon all other muslims don't want the Pals in thier neighborhood. The Pals think everybody and his brother owe them something for nothing. The U.N. should pull out and let the Bin Laddin construction build thier homes: the Pals still wouldn't be grateful. You got to be grateful and generous to move on in harmony.

Johnny

They need larger homes so that they have an area where they can stockpile their weapons is my understanding.

I seem to recall, some years back, that the government of Saudi Arabia had purchased the Associated Press. Am I dreaming? I recall some discussions back then, "would the Saudis use their power to bias AP reports"? Does anyone know if this is so, that the Saudis, or some top Saudi billionaire, own the AP?

If an editorial suggestion may be diffidently suggested, one might rephrase

"it would be so easy to support the cause of Palestinian statehood..."

[if the "Palestinian" Arabs were not up to their necks in hysteria and hate as this attack even on their UN collaborators makes clear]

to read:

"it just might be possible for decent people, despite their awareness that the war against Israel is a classic example of Jihad, to nonetheless support some local autonomy for the "Palestinian" Arabs" ...."

[if the "Palestinian" Arabs were not up to their necks in hysteria and hate as this attack on even their UN collaborators makes clear].

Had I been paying attention in 1946 (and it would have been helped to have been alive), like all sensible people then I doubt if I would have dropped a tear over the expulsion, by the Czechs, of the 3 million ethnic Germans of the Sudetenland, a part of the world where ethnic Germans had been living for 600 years. Nor, in the decades since, have I met any Germans who support revanchist claims to this area. No doubt not every single one of those expelled Sudeten Germans was guilty of being a supporter of Hitler, or collaborating with the Nazis, though a great many were, and did, and even those innocent individuals suffered along with the guilty. But the Czech government, given and German aggression in both World War I, and World War II, and how the Germans behaved in Czechoslovakia, had every right to act to take certain precautions by permanently expelling what they regarded as a potential fifth column for German aggression. How much more justification, how much more evidence, do the Israelis have that the "Palestinian" Arabs, in acting as the shock troops of the relentless Jihad against Israel, will always be a danger to them, and not merely in the demographic sense, though that is danger enough.

Resolution 242 calls for "secure and defensible borders." Israel is now at the absolute rock-bottom, the absolute minimum, of what it needs to defend itself (and just because many Israelis are too despairing, or idiotic, to understand this, is it our obligation to join them in their despair, or their idiocy? Why? Because they must know best, just the way they have in all of their assorted negotiations and treaties with the Arabs, when they have, for the entire life of their state, made collosal concession after colossal concession, and always been tricked and cheated? No.)

And just because others, including the Israelis (who will never refer to the war against them as a Jihad, either out of ignorance, or out of fear that this will turn potential or present allies in the Muslim world -- Turkey, or Iran under the Shah -- against them) do not raise the issue of the Mandate for Palestine, let us remember that the territory now under Israel's control, including the "West Bank" and Gaza, were included in the original territory allocated for the establishment of the Jewish National Home by the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine. It is true that this territory, which is Western Palestine, was originally intended to include all of Eastern Palestine as well. But though the British, in an act of unilateral and high-handed realpolitik, decided to give all of Easter Palestine to the newly-created -- by the British, as a little consolation prize to the Hashemite Abdullah, older brother of the Feisal who became King of Iraq -- Emirate of Transjordan, this does not mean that the Israelis are under a further obligation to whittle away their own remaining sliver of land. The Mandates Commission for the League of Nations was furious when Great Britian, the power entrusted with the Mandate for Palestine, simply lopped off all of Eastern Palestine. It would hardly have sanctioned any further limits.

And to those who say that the U.N. (for three decades the puppet of Muslim interests and the Muslim agenda -- which helps explain the indifference to the situation in the southern Sudan, and much else that has gone on within the Muslim world besides) will not allow Israel to keep what it has -- such people should take a look again at Article 50 (the "Palestine article") of the U.N.'s charter, which requires it to recognize, and honor, every single one of the mandates it inherited from the defunct League of Nations. The U.N. cannot ignore its own charter.

Nor can it ignore the settled rules of international law. And for more on this, see the magnificent study by the late Australian barrister and scholar of jurisprudence, Julius Stone, described d by Roscoe Pound, the celebrated dean of Harvard Law School for decades, as the greatest legal writer of the age. Professor Stone wrote after the Six-Day War a study of Israel's overwhelming claim to the territory it had conquered. Unless we are prepared to undo the rules of international law altogether, so as to make special rules for Israel, and another set of rules for all those who prevail in defending themselves against a war of aggression (and one could start by insisting that Italy hand back the entire Alto Adige to Austria, that Poland hand back East Prussia, that Russia hand back Kaliningrad, and so on), Israel's claim to keep this territory should be honored. If the Israelis themselves are too exhaused or worn out to think that they can "solve" this Jihad against them, all who think that a non-Muslim state in the Holy Land is important, morally, culturally, for the defense and coherence of our own civilisation (try to imagine what it would now be like -- now, not four hundred years ago -- if the Muslims wiped out Israel and controlled all that area, and allowed in a few controlled dhimmis, just as some tourists can visit the pyramids in Egypt) should make it their task to buck up the Israels, support them, and make them understand that, alas, there is no end to what they face, but deterrence worked against Communism and it is not a bad way to continue to face down the forces of Jihad.

Oregon James wrote: "I seem to recall, some years back, that the government of Saudi Arabia had purchased the Associated Press."

Not AP, UPI.

One wouldn't advise Habitat for Humanity to set up shop in Jenin. The non-Muslim world owes them a living only because they are and are requiring the payment of the jizya through the auspices of the United Nations. How disgusting and ungrateful. Even though the U.N. is generally ineffective, they are good at providing humanitarian aid, but these people have proved through their words and actions that they don't deserve it.

palestinian" lie.

This is how the arab world has distrated the rest of the world while the spread and kill those in their way?
Look at how many mulsum nations run the U.N.?
Look at the taxes they are trying to put on the non-mulsum countrys?
Say it has to do with the poor to stop terrorist? Let them stay poor they can't make it to America on a jackass?

Bush is doing the right thing! Some things have to take place behind closed doors!

Americans are waking up to what is happening and will not let Israel be the lamb. More out of fear for what God will do to them! The reason does not matter!

Huge you forgot the USA and all the land we would have to give to mexico?

The Arabs bought ruters and own a big chunk of Ap and MSNBC their money is going into lots of city lib.s and schools here in the USA in black areas! Through Farakan.

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Another thing, during the G8 meeting, Chiroc had the nerve to ask Bush and some of the others to donate 12 BILLION dollars to help rebuild parts of the Middle East.

Now Chiroc knew that he would be turned down, but this was one way he could look as if he had the "Best interests of the Middle East at heart and it's the mean United States that won't help".

He's an unabashed panderer to Islam, makes me sick.

It was on Fox news today,

UNWRA was created within the UN, mainly by the Arab League, to constitute a portal for the infiltration and pursuit of its agenda and propaganda in international forums, magnifying opportunities for its corruptive influence.

Accordingly, "'Palestinian' refugees" bear a totally separate official definition from any other refugees on the planet, who are administered under the High Commission for Refugees' rules, not UNWRA's - which have been far more materially and politically generous.

If the approx 750,000 "'Palestinians' refugees" of 1948 had been treated like every other bunch of refugees, by now they'd all be satisfactorily resettled in the sprawling dar el-Islam and there would not have been a half-century of bloody Arab attacks on Israel, while many clashes between Arabs themselves over the period would've been avoided as well.

It's often conveniently forgotten that about 750,000 Jews, around the same number as the "Palestinians" who fled Israel, were kicked out of a dozen Arab countries between 1948 and 1955; these were all resettled in Israel without any help being requested from the UN whatsoever.

In truth, there was a "population transfer" at that juncture (like the much larger one between India and Pakistan in 1947), but the Arab states, instead of assuming their proper responsibilities, plumped for setting up UNWRA instead, perpetuating the myth of "'Palestinian' dispossession" as a mask for Islamic expansionism and global aggression - first against Israel, then against the West and its associates, then against the world.

Hugh:

Thanks for your mention of the late Julius Stone - I met him once or twice and walked away inspired every time - what a mind he had!

HG
There is an important difference.
The jews who left the arab homelands were not threatening them with destruction.
The "dispossesed arabs" were waiting for the destuction of israel by its attackers to return and take over all they had built up. This they were promised by the arab leaders.

When I consider how impoverished India and Pakistan managed to resettle millions and make them and their children no-questions-asked citizens (Musharaf himself was born in Delhi, and Pres. Singh of India was born in western Panjab), I believe that the third- and fourth-generation statelessness of the Falastin Arab "refugees" is a bigger digrace for the entire oil-rich Arab world (dirt-poor Jordan excepted) than a million Abu Ghraibs

Who are the real terrorist ?

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Davo,

I'm glad to see your posting, I've gone back and tried several times to find this article I read about 2 years ago.

It showed pictures of that area in the late 1800's and early 1900's, before the Jewish immigration.

There was nothing there, some rocks, 2 arabs and a camel, everything was fine between the arabs and the first immigrates, until the immigrates started to build the area up, ie, wells, housing, crops, the pictures from then were quite different, everything was lush and green.

Suddenly, after all this hard work was done, the arabs in the area deceided that this was Islamic land and wanted it back, thus the begining of the conflict.

The arab leaders promoted the migration of other arabs into the area to try to sieze control.

Is this the same reference you referred to in your previous post? And if so, where did you locate it?

I've looked and can't find it.

Thanks,
Susan B

Who is the real terrorist? Well I'm glad you asked that Saladin. The real terrorist is the one who espouses a religion that demands he kill others who do not think like him. The real terrorist is the one who lies about his religion in order to fool people. The real terrorist is the one who can't see what's so barbaric about slavery, denies the suffering of others, and makes up excuses for genocide. The real terrorist is the one who can never see his own faults but instead projects them on to others and then tries to kill them for it. Look in the mirror, Saladin. You're the real terrorist.

These F palestinians got another thing comin. you think after their so called country is born they just may have to pay taxes, pay for their own food, mortgages, gas, electric. these F beggers have been living on the worlds dime for 54 years. they pay for nothing. everything is on the arm. when they have to pay for things there will be a civil war. the one we have all been waiting for. somebody build me a house. hahahahahaha. F these Fing ticks of the world with their false prophet. they spread their dises and lies throughout the world F ing up everything they touch. palestinians are a curse and the biggest lie muslims gave to the world. other than muhammed the liar going to heaven in Jerusalem. Liars, Theives, Heretics... whores just like muhammeds daughters.

If anyone wants to learn more about the Arab expulsion of Jews and their historical treatment of them, Joan Peters wrote a book in 1984 (Harper and Rowe), From Time Immemorial. She says in the beginning she wanted to write a book about the Palestinian refugees and that was her working thesis for 2 years, but some things didn't make sense. Subsequently, she spent another 5 years researching and writing about the Arab disinformation campaign and refusal to accept Arab refugees. It is all documented and sources quoted including references. Additionally, a significant number of "Palestinian refugees" were not strictly speaking qualified to receive aid but on humanitarian grounds were included. It is also not surprising that the program was manipulated.I would like to be around when the Arab oil finally runs out and can no longer be used as a weapon, or alternatively that a cheap, plentiful alternate supply of energy is discovered such as cold fusion. When someone is delusional and spewing bile and hatred at everybody and blaming them for the mess that they have created themselves, they need the truth.Tough love. Giving in to bullies only encourages their delusions of grandieur. These bullies are perfectly willing and soon capable (Iran) of taking the world with them. I would prefer to help them make the journey by themselves. b.e.

I think Lee Harris had it right when he implied that the "liberal theory of the right of self determination" was in effect wrong. Nations cannot be willed into being, either by a people or other nations, no matter how right, just, or desirable that may be.In terms of Realpolitik,Israel exists because it occupies an area and holds it, then goes about the business of being a nation.Regardless of how one feels toward the Palestinians and the issues,a nation does not come into existence simply because other nations "recognize" it. Consider Saudi Arabia - nothing more than a huge mom-and-pop, family-owned and operated gas station, totally dependent on the goodwill and continued patronage of it's customers. Big Gulp and a couple of Slim Jims, to go please.....