From Reuters, with thanks to Nicolei:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Suspected militants shot at U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia on Wednesday, adding to fears over stability that have sent oil prices to record highs since 22 people, mostly foreigners, were killed in an al Qaeda attack.
Saudi Arabia continues to reap what it has sown.
Well, tonight's sleep has gone to hell, so I may need to post this stuff more than once, being so early...
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13626
I would guess Mr. Spencer is on top of it anyway, but anyone who had doubts about Islam being a threat should start their day with that one.
Arxos:
My eyes must be deceiving me...lobo91 just said that nagasaki and hiroshima were attacked because of military importance
Actually, I just posted factual information about those two cities that you declared weren't valid military targets. Are you saying that what I posted was false?
...but surely even americans know that they were completely flattened..civilian populations included.
As were a number of other Japanese (and German) cities, even without the use of nuclear weapons.
So what's your point?
Posted by lobo91 at June 1, 2004 11:38 PM
My point was excessive force, crimes against humanity and TERRORISM, which some people in here are trying to exclusively pin to the muslim faith-islamic militants, a ludicrous proposition to say the least. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in that?
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 05:45 AM
You see such societies in the totalitarian regimes in the mid-east. They distract their populations from the pain they cause by finding a convienent scape goat. They hold onto that scape goat as long as possible. Elections there are a bad joke at best.
Kafir,
This is an extract from what you said the other day. What you say about distracting their populations by way of scapegoats is quite interesting. That can apply to the US. Scapegoats? You name them: indians, blacks, italians, communinsts and now this arabs and muslims. Beware totalitarianism has many guises...why are you so sure that we are so free? Does voting democrats or republicans really give you a choice?
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 06:02 AM
If the choice was not illusionary maybe people in western democracies would not be so indifferent and depoliticized regarding issues that concern us. I distrust governments, doubt their dubious-secretive handlings and hold their self-serving motives in no esteem. My feelings will not be dictated by anyone but myself as long as I can help it.
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 06:25 AM
Arxos, I notice you wait until everyone is Gone before you respond anymore. I am taking it to mean you can sit back and safely believe you won the argument by default.
If it reaches the point where islamic militants are hunting you and yours down in the streets (and I hope it never does but people like you make it easy for them), I hope you remember everything you falsely claimed here.
Economies are in the crapper for the most part. Control exists in the hands of the few. Dissent is viciously repressed.
Why are we better? Because we are not them.
No, we are not perfect. No one is. But we are much much better off than the poor schmoes in the countries where they do not have power.
Tanks, rifles, and revolutions are not needed to make major changes in this country. That is why we are better.
In the end, the president of the US works for me. And the only thing keeping me from turning him out on his ass is that the alternative is far worse than he is. US elections tend to be beauty contests. The good/smart folks are culled early in the process. A shame.
Does Bashir Assad work for the Syrian people? Does Mubarak? Or the puppets in Lebanon?
No.
Thats why.
Kafir,
Most countries around the world 'do business' with the US. (some have been directly set up post world warii by the british, rusians and americans) "Every investment brought with it an intensification of political control, influencing the composition of governments, dictating the choice of senior civil servants infiltrating the security and intelligence services, governing the military staff." Makes sense..thats the world we are living in. No you are right: none of these elites work for their people and neither dos bush and co
does bush and co
Gary,
I do not wait for people to leave...I suppose it must be the time difference. I am all alone when everyone is battering me though
Gary,
I'm sure islamic militants will never chase me down the street mate...and if they do trust me: I WILL FIGHT. But unfortunately I can much more easily envisage steroid-pumped yanks chasing me down my street.
we nuked Japan, now they are staunch allies with troops in Iraq...had to nuke Japan to stop the kamikazes...
when Iraq fails, and we still need to stop those jihadis, where should the first nuclear missile go for the greatest positive effect?
This was posted by kirk the other day. Although I admittedly pissed him off it is actually a blunt truth. So I say it again. ALL EUROPEANS especially the BRITISH we are America's ally and partner only in its shadow and as long as we comply with its policies.
KC ENGLAND,
Britain will never stand strong at the side of the US and when "softer" targets have been eliminated the 'alliance' will transform itself to 'hegemony'. Muslims inside Britain's borders are a seperate issue and should be dealt wtih seperately.
KIRK,
had to nuke Japan to stop the kamikazes...
The kamikaze were a last, desperate measure produced when the US was closing in on Japan itself. The nukes killed of civilian populations on an unprecedented scale and caused grave genetic defects on survivor descendants. Anyway all is fair in war and love.
we nuked Japan, now they are staunch allies with troops in Iraq...
That sounds a little like servitude to me...
SAY NO TO US IMPERIALISM &HEGEMONY
"Few know that soldiers impaled babies on bayonets and tossed them still alive into pots of boiling water". Nagatomi said."They gang-raped women from the ages of twelve to eighty and then killed them when they could no longer satisfy sexual requirements. I beheaded people, starved them to death, burned them, and buried them alive, over two hundred in all. It is terrible that I could turn into an animal and do these things. There are really no words to explain what I was doing. I was truly a devil."
Lily,
You are right about the Japanese in Asia being barbaric conquerors but US soldiers were also encouraged to view the japs as subhuman...in all wars soldiers are trained in this manner to facilitate them in killing the enemy. Fundamentally people have a problem in taking another persons life..it is our shared characteristic that is why in war the enemy has to be 'de-humanized' in order to deserve our wrath just as is being done in these pages with Muslims, indiscriminately. They are de-humanized by being called 'terrorists' etc and being portrayed as savage brutes. The other unpublicized side of the coin is the US GI mowing down civilians...in a war where it is imperative to win everyone has to kill, thus ALL COMBATANTS ARE TERRORISTS.
Sorry for posting when everyone else is gone..as I said it must be the time difference. It is non-intentional
Here's the reason for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Arxos- the potential loss of over 1 million lives.
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 3, 2001
THIS AUGUST 6 AND 9 marks the 56th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The use of the atomic bombs was the only alternative left to President Truman and his officials.
By August 1945, the war with Japan showed signs of continuing indefinitely. As American forces advanced closer to the Japanese mainland, the Japanese refusal to surrender did not diminish but increased. In the summer of 1945, Japan had more than 2 million soldiers and 30 million citizens who were prepared to choose "death over dishonour." This point had already been established by the kamikaze pilots and Japanese soldiers who fought at and Iwo Jima.
The Japanese view of war was quite different from that of the American view: death in war was not something to be avoided, but to be sought. The Shinto cult, for example, which preached a radical concept of self-sacrifice, taught that suicide was glorious, while surrender was an unthinkable disgrace. It was at Saipan that even Japanese civilians committed suicide by jumping off the cliffs on the northern tip of the island rather than surrender. At the battle of , thousands of Japanese had drawn themselves up in a line and killed themselves by hand-grenades, rather than surrender.
The Japanese leadership never disguised its revulsion to the idea of surrender. It repeatedly made clear its intention to fight to the last man, woman and child. The Japanese bitter-end slogan called for "the honorable death of a hundred million" -- the entire population. Allied intercepts of communications revealed that Japanese militarists were obsessed with vindicating their emperor’s, as well as their own, honor in a bloody till-the-death battle over the home islands.
This explains why at this very time the Japanese military was rapidly building up defense forces on the southern island of Kyushu, where by war's end there were 14 divisions and 735,000 troops ready to sacrifice themselves in battle.
Japan's stubborn and unsatisfactory response to the Allies' Potsdam Declaration left Truman with little choice. He knew, as General Marshall's reports confirmed, that at least 500,000 Americans would be lost in an invasion of Japan. That was a conservative estimate, as the possibility existed that up to one million Allied casualties would be suffered. Meanwhile, it was estimated that potential Japanese casualties stood at five million.
Truman and his advisers were well aware that they had just suffered 75,000 American casualties in seizing Okinawa , just a small island. The bombing of the two Japanese cities, therefore, was considered to be the quickest way to end the war with the least amount of casualties on both sides.
For nearly four years America had watched its soldiers being killed by militant and fanatical Japanese troops. And now, every day that the Japanese refused to surrender, the death toll on both sides rose, while Allied POWs and civilian internees in Japanese concentration camps were being tortured and executed.
Truman knew that if an American invasion was carried through, the 100,000 Allied prisoners of war would die. He was aware of Tokyo’s order that, at the moment that the Americans invaded Japan's home islands, the POW's were to be tortured, beheaded, and executed en masse. At many POW camps, many prisoners had already been instructed to dig their own graves. Fifty thousand POWs had already died from torture, starvation, and unimaginable abuse.
In his book The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, “revisionist” historian Gar Alperovitz denounces the American use of the bomb. His book is filled with impressive documentation and sophisticated phraseology. The problem is that the 780 pages of text and references fail to answer one question: would Alperovitz argue the same thesis if he, or one of his children, had been an Allied POW in a Japanese prison camp on the eve of Truman's decision?
Only an intellectual could create the arguments that Alperovitz does. Few academics represent better the ultimate heartlessness of ideas.
That the Japanese bore the brunt of the first weapons of mass destruction, that tens of thousands of innocent and helpless Japanese citizens died during those tragic and soul-searching days of early August 1945 is a given. They deserve our memory, as well as our grief. What is too often forgotten, however, is that the greatest crime awaiting mankind at that terrible time was not inherent in the use of the atomic bomb, but in the more horrifying reality that would have followed its non-use.
arxos:
The bombings on Japan were necessary in order to save lives, not lose them. The irony that someone like you is beating the dead-horse on this subject is that the very reason we used the bombs on Japan exist in your own misguided culture today: fanatacism and the zealous willingness to die for a cause.
The United States had already given 407,000 dead to World War II up to that point. We were not about to give 1,000,000 more trying to invade the homeland of an enemy that would have to be rooted out of every tunnel, closet, and watch tower -- every man, woman and child in Japan was preparing for a defense "to the death."
The Atom Bomb was used to show that even this kind of fanatical aspiration to defending Japan was not going to give them victory. It opened the eyes of even the false-god-emperor Hirohito himself to the consequences of continued adherence to a code of death.
Now the United States and the world is finally confronting the truth about Islamic terror.
Will the United States be forced to use overwhelming power to deal with this latest enemy?
It looks like the answer to that is becoming more and more obvious every week. The hatred that has been spawned in the Middle East is hardly something new, it can't be blamed upon World War I, the fall of any Islamic empire or icon, the death of any leader in the modern age or any debt owed in the ancient. The truth is, the hatred against Jews and Christians, Hindus and Buddhists goes all the way back to Muhammed himself and they can be found clearly in the text of the Qu'ran.
What frightens Muslims now is that the West is finally opening its eyes and not keeping its mouth shut any longer. The lies, the hate and the treachery of centuries are being uncloaked.
The bodies of innocents falling from skyscrapers in America was what it took to ignite the fuse. When the West gets hit again by another horrible equivalent to 9-11, prepare for that fuse to finally have reached its mark.
Islamic rhetoric will not be swallowed any longer. Either change the teachings of your religion or prepare for the new Crusade you are forcing upon the world.
You have a closed and fixed and partisanly prejudiced mind. You may call yourself open-minded, progressive, etc, but those are just words. The reality is that you are plain and simply dominated by your mental paradigm and incapable of thinking outside of your own preconceptions. It's hard work to learn how to think for oneself while acknowledging one's own prejudices. It's hard to admit that one's favorite beliefs just might be wrong.
My comments apply to all ideologically committed partisans, whether right or left.
Mike H
Mike H,
I agree with you. But as you said I'm being cornered in this position by the analoguous people on the other side. Why should there only be two extremes. I can concede to a great many points if only some of what I'm saying was accepted as a valid perspective.
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were highly controversial targets and can be debated endlessly due to the unprecedented civilian casualties. The US is the only power in human history to have ever used such destructive capability. It can also be debated that if the US had no imperialistic pretensions in the region it could stop short of invading Japan itself since it had already beaten it back to its borders and crippled its colonial aspirations, thus having the upper hand in any negotiations. However I do not wish to engage in any such debate because I am aware of the counterargument. But please do not try to convince me that the US is the only liberating conqueror of all time. That is just pretentious and false.
boy how i miss the good old days of saud & nasser. maybe in a few hundred years they may even stand erect....
Hey Arxole:
Looks like I may have guessed right about you being a limey fag, since you are daydreaming about steriod pumped Yanks chasing you down the street.
Anyway, at least you see the point about the nukes. Now. If you have to choose, what would you rather have, US Imperialism and Hegemony, or
Muslim/Taliban/Islamofascist hegemony?
Kirk
ps-you didn't piss me off. And Japan, subservient? I don't think so. We drive japanese cars, built by Americans working for Japanese owned and managed plants here in the US. After we nuked em, we rebuilt their country...
and c'mon arxole, if the japs and the germans had gotten those weapons first, we would not be having this little chat, 'ay mate?
please stop using the term "japs"
to refer to japanese i know people in the UK and Australia use it as a common term but to japanese people its offensive.
Sorry, no slight intended...sort of like Joe, versus Joseph, or does that make you huffy, too? Don't want to hurt any feelings here in the United States of the Offended.
Joseph, you're worrying about a very small issue, and you're not even Japanese, so quit it. Saudi Arabia's version of the Frankenstein monster has turned on them. They should be made to fend for themselves, for they are liars and sneaks.
The bombings in Nagasaki and Hiroshima assured no more kamakazi attacks on us, now didn't it. Radical Islamic members and their supporters should keep that in mind, and there should never be any doubt in their walnut sized brains that the U.S. could obliterate the entire Middle East in a matter of hours.
Muslims should consider leaving America until they learn how to act. They come here, expect preferential treatment, play victims of racism and religious bias, and attempt to remold our constitution.
In Sudan, and this should be a message to any person of color thinking about converting to the Islamic machete cult, the Arab Muslims are killing the African Muslims as part of an ethnic cleansing. So, who are the true racists.
Arrogance, and bigotry are part of the Arab culture. Unfortunately for them, they have nothing to fuel this attitude.
Hey Arxole:
Looks like I may have guessed right about you being a limey fag, since you are daydreaming about steriod pumped Yanks chasing you down the street.
So are you gona report this guy to Spenc or is it just arxole that gets the boot?? Nauseating double standards again.
And Japan, subservient? I don't think so. We drive japanese cars, built by Americans working for Japanese owned and managed plants here in the US. After we nuked em, we rebuilt their country...
True, but that does not mean that spontanious POPULAR REBELIONS against US interventionism have not often sprung up and been called something other (currently christened terrorism in Iraq) than what they really are....rebelions with broad popular support against foreign intervention. It is silly to think that everybody in Iraq welcomes the US (especially those with relatives killed in the conflict)
Arxole-
answer my question regarding choices,
then tell me where else, besides Iraq, the US has intervened...and had all these "rebellions".
and, looks like you are the one who is pissed.
In the words of the US President who made the decision to drop the bomb, "If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen"
Kirk
DC watson,
Radical Islamic members and their supporters should keep that in mind, and there should never be any doubt in their walnut sized brains that the U.S. could obliterate the entire Middle East in a matter of hours.
No comment
Muslims should consider leaving America until they learn how to act. They come here, expect preferential treatment, play victims of racism and religious bias, and attempt to remold our constitution.
That is ECACTLY what militants in the ME say about westerners.
Arxos:
that does not mean that spontanious POPULAR REBELIONS against US interventionism have not often sprung up and been called something other (currently christened terrorism in Iraq) than what they really are....rebelions with broad popular support against foreign intervention. It is silly to think that everybody in Iraq welcomes the US
It's equally "silly" to call what's happening in Iraq today a "rebellion with broad popular support."
The people causing the majority of the problems in Iraq today, al Sadr's so-called "Mahdi Army," don't even have "broad popular support" among their fellow Shia.
Of course, reality was never your long suit...
I think a prerequisite for transforming the ME into a hub of prosperity and peace is to under no circumstances tolerate opinions like DC WATSONS,
Arrogance, and bigotry are part of the Arab culture.
That is unacceptable, bigotries and arrogance on you part mate.
Arxos:
That is ECACTLY what militants in the ME say about westerners.
Of course, there's a key difference: Westerners in the Middle East are generally there at the behest of the governments of the nations in question, and they're filling jobs the locals are either not capable of, or are unwilling to, perform.
They're also not generally going around demanding that everyone become Christians, or calling for the overthrow of the governments of their host countries.
A fool convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Gotta go make some money, so I can pay taxes, and fund the war against Islamofascism.
I leave it to the rest of you(Lobo, Watson etc...)to continue the war against stupidity.
As usual your insipid name-calling and barrage tactics make it impossible for me to respond to everyone. Soon there will be many more of you calling me arxhole etc and asking me stuff that I do not have the time to respond to (lest I get fired).
Am I the only one who noticed the stupidity displayed by Reuters in the opening sentence of the article this thread is supposed to be about?
Suspected militants shot at U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia on Wednesday...
"Suspected militants"?
While I suppose it's possible that they were actually deer hunters who were blinded by the sun's glare and confused the Americans for 10-point bucks, I think it's pretty unlikely.
I see Joseph is on his PC box again.
Japs is no different then Yank for American, Or Brit for British, or Ausie for Australian. Get over yourself Joey.
Arxole-
answer my question regarding choices,
then tell me where else, besides Iraq, the US has intervened...and had all these "rebellions".
If all pretexts of legality were to be trampled upon I would definitely be inclined to support the weak and oppressed. As you know totalitarianism springs up through overwhelming force. That is Murphy’s Law.
As for the revolts, there have been numerous since American the intervention in the Greek civil war 1946-49 spiralling out of control to the present. In these American capitalism as well as Soviet Communism had an equal share in manoeuvres manipulating people's sentiments and allegiances.
arxos:
Please reply to kirk's question:
"If you have to choose, what would you rather have, US Imperialism and Hegemony, or
Muslim/Taliban/Islamofascist hegemony?
Kirk"
I would sincerely like to know the answer.
Also, after the other day, you are the LAST person who should be accusing others of name-calling! Rarely do other posters descend to the level of immature obscenity that you displayed (all duly reported to Spencer, of course).
It's equally "silly" to call what's happening in Iraq today a "rebellion with broad popular support."
The people causing the majority of the problems in Iraq today, al Sadr's so-called "Mahdi Army," don't even have "broad popular support" among their fellow Shia.
Of course, reality was never your long suit...
Lobo,
Why don't you ask US soldiers if they can freely move around the civilian population? The insurgents are fighting only through civilian support much like the Vietnamese south. Obviously there must be Iraqis FOR the US as there are Americans AGAINST the war.
Arxos~ Even if there Were something to your contentions about the US (and I have to say I will never be convinced of that), Please read the article I put up the link for at the top of this thread. And then, if you are willing, explain to me how the US is responsible for thinking that goes back to at Least the 1800s in islamic countries. 'Cause it seems pretty clear that they hated us (Hell, Everyone) long before Oil came along.
As usual....too many of you...arhole arhole...etc...
Gary,
I will right away...just a sec.
Arxxos:
You mention the Greek civil war after WW2. Stalin initiated his plan of communist hegemony over Europe by instigating this war and others like it.
The great fallacy in your viewpoint boils down to this; to you USA = Imperialism = fascism = stalin = Mao TSe Tung = Evil.
That's just plain dumb.
US foreign policy simply cannot be equated with that of the communist and fascist dictators. Yes, the USA has supported right wing dictators in the past AND we are learning about these bad decisions. However, these policies have to be seen in the context of the times. Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and communism were infinitely evil and had to be fought by fallible human beings. So, mistakes were made. At the same time, the USA created the Marshall Plan that helped to rebuild a war-torn Europe. Our occupation armies behaved honorably, and are generally remembered fondly. No rape and pillage on the traditional grand scale.
If the USA is an imperialist power then it is certainly the most reluctant imperialist power ever.
Face it, you just don't like Americans. It's hard for you to admit the good that America has done because you can only focus upon the bad. You and Noam Chomsky have a lot in common there.
No society is perfect because humans are intrinsically flawed. Having said that, I'll take the US style hegemony any day over an Islamic-style hegemony. Get real Arxxos! You want to see the face of real evil? Take a long hard look at the aims, objectives and methods of islamic fascism and mull it over.
Mike
Of course, there's a key difference: Westerners in the Middle East are generally there at the behest of the governments of the nations in question, and they're filling jobs the locals are either not capable of, or are unwilling to, perform.
They're also not generally going around demanding that everyone become Christians, or calling for the overthrow of the governments of their host countries.
Lobo,
I'll just quote something from a book I've been recently reading. It is an extract from the New York post;
"Mr Marshall, has asked the State Department to find reliable and experienced American union leaders to work for us in the Balkans . Mr Marshal's advisers believe that US trade union leaders, having led the sruggle against Communism in our country, will be able to adopt an effective strategy elsewwhere. The first to leave will be Klin Golden, lately nominated Vice-President of the c10 Steelworkers union. He is to lead the American Labour Mission in Greece'
Surely you can see an iraq analogy. It is quite an ambiguous function that they serve contractors etc as I said before (sorry for quoting):
"Every investment brought with it an intensification of political control, influencing the composition of governments, dictating the choice of senior civil servants infiltrating the security and intelligence services, governing the military staff."
The problem appears Arxos, You have taken the limited line of American Bad everyone else good. If you wish to debate matters of America foreign diplomacy then pick issues that have substance and approach it like an adult. You get angry because you basically spend much of your time bashing Americans and for the most part we won't agree with you.
My guess in your little circle you are considered bright. You spend much of your time talking with people who agree with you, and from what I can tell you do not do well when you find yourself up against people who do not share your view point.
The problem is, you’re trading ideas here with people who are well versed in international matters as well as history. We are not just a bunch of dumb blokes sitting around bashing America over a pint. We do not see the world or the west from your narrow perspective.
But I would like to remind you. This is a site which deals with the threat of radical Islam and the threat of Global Jihad on all of us. This site is not about how America is an evil empire. I’m sure if you wish to have that debate there are plenty of sites that will accommodate you.
Arxos:
Why don't you ask US soldiers if they can freely move around the civilian population?
You know what? If I want to do that, all I have to do is swivel my chair around. There are at least 5 people sitting within 15 feet of me who have BEEN on the ground in Iraq in the last few months.
Somehow, I doubt that you can say the same thing.
Guess what? What you see on Al Jazeera, or wherever it is you get your news, has very little relationship to reality.
The insurgents are fighting only through civilian support much like the Vietnamese south.
Bullshit. The "insurgents," as you like to euphemistically call them, are killing more Iraqis than they are Americans.
Unless you want to make yourself look even sillier than you already do (a difficult task, to be sure, but one I'm confident you can manage to pull off), I suggest that you start reading something other than posts from Democratic Underground and MoveOn.
using "japs" or "nips" is not the same as yank or brit. they have a underlying extremely derogitory meaning to them and once again im disgusted by your justfications for your use of racist terminology.
Yeah ok Joseph. Have it your way. I don't use the word Jap or Nip... but I'm not going to police someone else who does. Get a life. your Mommy complex is starting to show.
But I would like to remind you. This is a site which deals with the threat of radical Islam and the threat of Global Jihad on all of us. This site is not about how America is an evil empire. I’m sure if you wish to have that debate there are plenty of sites that will accommodate you.
Posted by Wild Hare at June 3, 2004 11:05 AM
**Thank you! Well said.
Arrogance, and bigotry are part of the Arab culture.
That is unacceptable, bigotries and arrogance on you part mate.
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 10:09 AM
Truth hurts Arxos, doesn't it? We see how Muslims behave in the U.S. every day. They want special meals in schools, they want special treatment, like we owe them. We owe them nothing, mate. Muslim students wash their feet in the sinks of our schools. If they need to wash their feet for their prayer time (which also shouldn't be allowed in public schools, as no true religions aren't permitted to pray), then they should wash their feet in the toilet.
The sinks are at waist level for a reason, and that reason would be for hand washing. Muslims have whined about being victimized all over the world, yet they're the ones swinging the machetes and killing innocent people with their homemade bombs.
Double talking sneaks, liars, rapists, thieves and murderers. Explain to me genius, how Arabs are justified in killing African Muslims. While we're at it, I'll ask one more time what Islam does to better any community in which they infest.
Islam, the way it is being practiced, is what's unacceptable. Wake up, mate.
Joseph, quit while you're behind.
Tolerate it or not, I'm saying it, because it's true, mate. This isn't bigotry, it's fact.
arxos:
Please answer my post.
As usual....too many of you...arhole arhole...etc...
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 10:37 AM
**Sorry Arx, I only give my kid so many chances, and you're no different..have to pass you by from now on.
GARY,
I have now read carefully the article from the top.
In response could you go to:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/barberf.htm
That is ECACTLY what militants in the ME say about westerners.
Posted by arxos at June 3, 2004 10:03 AM
**Sooo, Arxos...
How many militants in the ME are you in such close contact with exactly, that you know what they say about westerners with such certainty? Hmmmm?
Just a thought...
Arxos,
What exactly are you here for? What message are you trying to pass to us? What does all of your name calling, ranting and incessant babbling have to do with the above post?
Thanks,
WH
MIKE,
If the USA is an imperialist power then it is certainly the most reluctant imperialist power ever.
Maybe so, but I fear that this might change.
Face it, you just don't like Americans.
Not true, I'm aware that Americans are nice, friendly people and believe it or not I have a number of American friends. Maybe I'm anti-US though.
It's hard for you to admit the good that America has done because you can only focus upon the bad. You and Noam Chomsky have a lot in common there.
You are propably right.
No society is perfect because humans are intrinsically flawed. Having said that, I'll take the US style hegemony any day over an Islamic-style hegemony. Get real Arxxos! You want to see the face of real evil? Take a long hard look at the aims, objectives and methods of islamic fascism and mull it over.
Yes mike I agree but please take a look at the article I recommended to Gary before.
Arxos:
So what you're saying is that Islamic terrorists grabbed Nick Berg off the street and hacked his head off not because he was a Jew, but because they're afraid Baghdad will soon have a McDonalds?
Sorry...not buying it.
For one thing, Islamic terror began long before anyone ever came up with the concept of "globalization."
Actually Lobo.. Islam has been practicing Globalization for about 1400 years.
As all of you are bombarding me I don't have enough time to respond.
CGW,
I believe I did respond above.
This site is not about how America is an evil empire. I’m sure if you wish to have that debate there are plenty of sites that will accommodate you.
This site is about global politics. I wish to counterpropose my opinion on these issues. So what is the trouble?
So what you're saying is that Islamic terrorists grabbed Nick Berg off the street and hacked his head off not because he was a Jew, but because they're afraid Baghdad will soon have a McDonalds?
Lobo,
No I'm saying that Islamists are a last desperate by-product of a dying tribalism (much like the kamikaze) and we should not award them higher status or re-invigorate our own tribalist tendencies.
I assure you that many Arabs, Muslims etc who are prosperous and educated, also share our common culture.
Taqiyya and kitman are the trouble Arxos. We in the West are on to your ways. Your attempts to re-write history, to ignore and cover up the sins and excesses of Islam, to blame America and West for the result of your cultural sloth, and so on. Kitman requires that your twist and obfuscate every issue.
Arxos:
This site is about global politics.
No, it's not. It's about confronting the global Jihad against the West.
There's nothing "political" about it.
I wish to counterpropose my opinion on these issues. So what is the trouble?
The "trouble" is that your "opinions" are both irrelevant to the problem at hand and a distraction from the real problem.
When the Jihadists kick down your door and hold a machete to your throat, they aren't going to ask if you ate at McDonalds, or own the latest Britney Spears CD.
The only thing they're going to ask is whether you're a Muslim or an infidel.
If you're not part of the solution, as they say, you're part of the problem.
We in the West are on to your ways. Your attempts to re-write history, to ignore and cover up the sins and excesses of Islam, to blame America and West for the result of your cultural sloth, and so on.
Sorry but this is libellous propaganda on both sides.
Arxos:
I assure you that many Arabs, Muslims etc who are prosperous and educated, also share our common culture.
And there are just as many, if not more, "prosperous and educated" Muslims who DON'T share our "common culture."
Ever hear of a Saudi multi-millionaire by the name of bin Laden? Do you have any idea what the backgrounds of the 19 Muslims who hijacked those airliners was? Hint: They were among your "prosperous and educated" group.
So are many of the Palestinians who blow themselves up on city buses in Israel.
You clearly have no earthly idea what you're talking about.
If you're not part of the solution, as they say, you're part of the problem.
Lobo,
So what you are saying is ANYONE who does not agree with you hard-line (libs, dems, left etc) is a TERRORIST.
A-haa there you go polarization that kills plurality....therefore totalitarianism emerges.
Arxos:
Sorry but this is libellous propaganda on both sides.
How can a true statement be libel?
Arxos:
So what you are saying is ANYONE who does not agree with you hard-line (libs, dems, left etc) is a TERRORIST.
No, you're simply what the Communists used to call "useful idiots."
If you're interfering with efforts to stop the spread of global jihad, then you're helping the jihadists.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
A-haa there you go polarization that kills plurality....therefore totalitarianism emerges.
"Plurality"?
You really don't get it, do you?
There is no such thing as "plurality" to the jihadists.
There's Muslim, and there's dead.
Lobo,
I have to work or get fired...
Really though..read that article I recommended to Gary and give it a chance...
Arxos:
Really though..read that article I recommended to Gary and give it a chance...
I already HAVE read it. Why do you think I commented on the fact that it was irrelevant to the discussion?
Jihadists aren't killing us because we're exporting McDonalds and PlayStations.
They're killing us because we aren't Muslims.
Argh. Arxos left. Rats! At least you are Allowed to work, I'm stuck in the middle of Canadian immigration law!
Well, if you happen back into this thread, I Do have a question. Mind you, if you answer it you will ignite another firestorm. But I am curious:
If not the US, Who? What country fits your view of what's Right for the world?
I shall read that article soon, Arxos.
Arxos - You're so full of it! You continue to ignore the sins and excesses of Islam's fourteen-hundred year rampage through the world in its attempt to colonize through religion by use of any means necessary including rape, murder, bombing, extermination of whole populations, etc.
Islam is the biggest and most brutal imperialist of all time that has been laying wait for the moment that it could make its next move, which we are seeing today. Your attempt of ignoring the sins and excesses of Islam by blaming other cultures is classic kitman.
USA should be careful in the future with its friends, Is Saudi Arabia a friend? Of course not.
Sorry I was out to lunch. Again Arxos never gets on topic. He stays with the line of blaming the West for the troubles of the rest of the world. What ever happened to everybody accepting responsiblity for their own actions?
What ever happened to everybody accepting responsiblity for their own actions?
Funny.
No matter how many times I run that phrase through my English to Arabic translator, it just don't work.
Jose Maria
said:
"USA should be careful in the future with its friends, Is Saudi Arabia a friend? Of course not."
That's the way I see it too. Sometimes I think we screwed up in 1991. Maybe instead of stopping Saddam, we should have made a deal with him to steamroll through the whole peninsula. Instead, we buy Saudi oil, they fund madrassas, and we have a world wide mess.
hahhah... I don't know what I was thinking... sorry
Bingo, Kirk! - Well, we could buy oil from the Russians. They have a big supply at the ready, but that would cause a bigger mess. However, the best strategy would be to develop HE3 (helium-3) or hydrogen fuel. That way, they can sit on their piles of sand and the Russians can, well, figure out some other way to rise from the ashes.
In any case, Islam will continue to harass and relentlessly push forward its agenda to take over the world.
OT
really funny
"This site is about global politics"
Wrong, this site is about global jihad. You are consistenly off topic arxos. And arxos, you really should worry about jihadis bombing your subways, spreading anthrax, etc, not americans. Oh, and weren't you threatening to shoot people yesterday? Not very tolerant, arxos...
cheers
150.God will not show mercy to him who does not show mercy to others.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
151."If anyone cares for two girls till they grow up, he and I will come on the Day of Resurrection thus," and he joined fingers.
(Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
152."I and the one who takes responsibility for an orphan, whether his own kin or of others, will be in paradise thus," and he pointed his forefinger and the middle finger with a slight space between them.
(Bukhari).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
153."Believers are to one another like a building whose parts support one other." He then interlaced his fingers.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
Well truth, would you say that suicide bombers are merciful? If they are, then random murder is a strange way of being merciful. If you say that they aren't merciful, then that directly contradicts the verse of the sword. *tapping fingers on a desk*
~NMJ
You know, if these nutjobs insist on taking what the Qur'an says literally, then they should get rid of the bomb belts, Ak-47s and RPGs.
According to the Qur'an, they're supposed to be using swords to attack us.
Americans are affraid more every day, for the Sunni moslem colosssus is going to crush them like the dogs that they are like. Moslemss are lions and fighters, while americans are foolich homosexuals.
sami abdullah - Your post is a satire, right!