Al-Jubeir: Seeing Zionists everywhere
More paranoid Saudi fantasies, uncontradicted by American authorities. From MEMRI, with thanks to mussetassen:
The officials were asked by the media about comments made by Crown Prince Abdallah in reaction to the May 1, 2004 terrorist attack in Yunbu, Saudi Arabia, in which seven people were killed. On the day after the attack, Crown Prince Abdallah stated at a gathering of Saudi dignitaries that "Zionists" were to blame: "This is seduction. You all know who is behind it all. Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don't say, I mean… It is not 100%, but 95% [certain] that the Zionist hands are behind what happened. But I tell you that you can be 100% sure that, Allah willing, this country will be victorious, whoever the faction that turns against it may be. But we are convinced that Zionism is behind everything. This has been established, I am not saying by 100%, but by 95%." [1]Adel Al-Jubeir responded to questions about the statement by comparing American critics of Saudi Arabia to Al-Qa'ida terrorists, and E. Anthony Wayne of the U.S. State Department also did not criticize Crown Prince Abdallah's remarks. ...
On May 13, 2004, CNN's Wolf Blitzer questioned Saudi foreign Affairs Advisor Adel Al-Jubeir about Crown Prince Abdallah's statements:
Blitzer: "Your Crown Prince Abdallah, he made a very controversial statement, as you well know… He was accusing Zionists of that most recent terror attack in Riyadh. On the basis of what?"
Al-Jubeir: "I believe, Wolf, if you look at the context of it, the point that he was trying to make is that there are people in the United States who have been very harsh when it comes to Saudi Arabia, have called for regime change in Saudi Arabia, have called for the dismemberment of Saudi Arabia, and whose - the objectives that they have called for are the same objectives as those shared by the terrorists.
"Osama bin Laden wants to destroy the Saudi state. Osama bin Laden wants to destroy the Saudi government. And so you should understand these comments in that context, that those who are most critical of Saudi Arabia in a very hostile way in the United States, as well as in Israel, share the same objective as Osama bin Laden and those who committed these acts…"
Blitzer: "Is the crown prince, who's the effective leader of Saudi Arabia, equating Al-Qa'ida with Zionists?"
Al-Jubeir: "That's not what he was trying to say here. What he was trying to say is that the objectives of those people who have been most harsh toward Saudi Arabia are the same as the objectives of Osama bin Laden. It doesn't mean that they committed this crime."
Blitzer: "Because we listened closely to that tape and we had several Arab linguists listen precisely. And what he clearly said was that he believes 95% - not 100%, but 95% - that the people who undertook this most recent terror attack in Saudi Arabia was not Al-Qa'ida, but were Zionists."
Al-Jubeir: "… When you say behind them, it means supporting them intellectually. That doesn't mean financially. It doesn't mean that they put them up to it. It just means that they share the same objective…"
Blitzer: "… Do you want to issue any sort of apology for the comments of your boss, the Crown Prince Abdallah?"
Al-Jubeir: "Why apology? I was explaining it to you. There's no apology necessary."
Blitzer: "Because of the impression that he left that for that most recent terror attack he was blaming Zionists."
Al-Jubeir: "Because, Wolf, what happens with Saudi Arabia, unfortunately, after 9/11 is anything that Saudi Arabia does or says is perceived with a lot of criticism.
"It's sort of, we are guilty until proven innocent. It should be the other way around. And so nobody cuts us any slack. And every little thing is exaggerated. Every little thing is inflated. I can look at statements by American officials. I can look at statements by officials of other countries that are outrageous and that have not solicited apologies from them or from anyone else. But when it comes to us, we're always the ones who have to apologize. I don't see a reason to do this here."
This is what is termed in psychology as projection. That means that when someone has an unpleasant characteristic which they feel that they can not change, then they project that on to other people.
In this case the Arabs cannot face the fact that 99% of the world's terrorists are Muslims so they like to imagine that it's the Jews instead.
More conspiracy theories. They try to blame everyone except the vicious little thugs that have turned on them. The saudis are to blame for the existence of these thugs and now they are whining about it.
Conspiracy theorists are idiots until proven otherwise.
“Your grandchildren will be Methodists.”
Folks:
A number of you have asked where they could find a copy of Hugh Fitzgerald's article, "Islam for the Perplexed". I am pleased to tell you it is available at a relatively new website to which I have been directed by a poster at this forum. The site is as follows:
http://www.freewebs.com/nojihad/
Here is a link directly to Hugh's article:
http://www.freewebs.com/nojihad/whatsnewpage.htm
Enjoy.
Taqiyya,
deception,
dissimulation,
is natural for a nation
whose creed is built on sand,
whose women are seen as half a man
in a land where there has been no song,
no dance, no wine, only fear for so long
that the mind has shrunk
to the size of Reza's withered spear.
the Poetess
I love your work!
Folks:
It has finally happened. Someone is making a film called Michael Moore Hates America. Check it out:
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
Psychological term = projection. Muslim term = kitman.
http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp
Deflecting the answer toward another goal, one of the strategies of kitman. Apparantly he thinks that his exalted position will force American listeners to accept his version of the truth. We apparantly didn't hear correctly and, if we did. well, the Crown Prince obviously neither lied nor meant what he said. Thus, we Americans are to blame for our impudent disbelief of a Muslim Crown Prince.
It's the same as reading and interpreting the Koran. The words of the Koran can't mean the same to Westerners are they do to Muslims because we have to be told what they mean. Even Western Arabic speakers obviously "can't know" what the words mean because they are...,Westerners!
What a crock!
We can comment and scream all we want, but the greater problem is that unless we can get media coverage, or if the media (ex. wolf blitzer) can start asking the pointed, hurting questions and catching these muslim pigs at their lies, then the only people who will be commenting on muslim lies will be the limited number of supporters and readers on these web sites.
We need to expand coverage and hold media people accountable for properly "interviewing" them.
I tell ya, these Jews are damned clever to sucker more than 18,000 good Muslims into doing the bidding of the Zionist pigs, monkeys, and apes. Those poor easily befuddled and easily led Muslims! What shall the rest of the world do to get them out of the Zionists' clutches? Who will bell the cat? Who will save the hundreds of millions in the ummah from from couple of million on a little strip of land? Tune in same time, same channel.
It is time to face the fact that saudi is and will continue to be a muslim islamic state that hates the united states and its allies the isreal state. the u.s. government must get tough with this saudi government and kick ass.
THe real question here is "Does the House of Saud " actually believe theor own nefarious propaganda ?
NO!
they have learnt from the success of the European vilification of Jews that this is the answer that Muslims and some Europeans want to hear.
BLaming Jews for everythimg exonerates them from their own evil deeds.
It is also the answer that many left wing marxists in the european world want to hear too. (I;ve left out the KKKs)
Conspiracy theories are nowhere aa abundant as they are in the Arab world.
Mossad planned 911
Prince charles is a Muslim
Diana was killed by MI5
etcetcetc.
Only the severely lobotomised or blinkered are attracted to this kind of hateful disinformation.
No surprise here, Muslims are never to blame for anything only Jews or Zionists or "Crusaders". I wonder if the speaker even noticed that no one believes these ridiculous claims anymore expect for Muslims and antisemites.How will Muslims feel when they become known for lying the way Gypsies are known for stealing? Will they once again blame the Jews for problems they created for themselves?
Mentat, thanks for the link to Hugh's article, I look forward to reading it.
EPG
thanks for the CI-CE link. very interesting stuff.
it is interesting to note that whilst most concentrate on the violent terrorism of AG ,which is truly just the tip of the iceberg, so much more is happening in the fields of subversion and disinformation and the recruitment of "blue eyed" jihadist , -the white collar workers of Jihad
Don't forget. He HAS to support the party line - no matter how indefensible.
And Prince Abdallah's Zionist comments were undoubtedly aimed at the domestic Saudi audience.
of course, if they will lie to themselves, they will lie to us.
Arabs are liars? That sounds like a racist slur. But read what an ancient Greek had to say:
"A cartload of mischief:
Once upon a time Hermes was driving all over the world a cart stuffed with falsehoods, wickedness, and deceit, distributing a little of his load in each country. But when he came to the land of the Arabs, it is said, the cart suddenly broke in pieces, and the inhabitants plundered its contents as if they were valuable merchandise, so that there was nothing left for Hermes to carry elsewhere.
The Arabs are the greatest liars and deceivers on earth. Their tongues know not the truth."
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Fables of Aesop, Penguin Classics, UK 1954, page 152
There's a Saudi blogger identified as "the religious policeman" who has a number of jaundiced comments about his ruling house and the outlook it has fostered. I'd recommend people visit his site, which is dedicated to the memory of the schoolgirls who died in Makkah because they couldn't be let out of their burning school with uncovered hair. At one point, he ran a picture of Chasid accompanied by some cynical comments about how this was the suspect the Saudis were looking for in connection with recent terrorist attacks.
David Zohar: I knew that Epimenides once declared that all Cretans are liars. If Aesop truly called the Arabs the greatest liars, it has nothing to do with Islam, for Aesop lived before Christ.
Kepha - Islam then entered a culture in which lying was already endemic. Hmmm. Could that be the reason why many in the West consider the whole of Islam to be a lie?
Islam was then taken out of Arabia and into other lands and other cultures. Hmmm. Creating more liars?
It's the same here in America as it is in any other Land.
An official or person of athority makes a claim and the people believe it. Of course here in America we can freely question that athority and discover the truth for ourselves. Not all Americans do and I imagine that non-free countries can't even if they wanted to.
Maybe I'm ignorant about the no freedom vs freedom thing. I only know what I experience or learn thru constant questioning of everything.
I do not trust nor believe anything on face value just because it was said, written, or presented by a person of athority... quite the opposite - I tend to disbelieve based on that one thing alone; atleast until it is proven and verified by others independent of that athority.
Thank you Jihad Wathch and knowledgable posters here.
Does the Middle East have any clue how easy it would be to starve them all? We're humane, and that's all that saves them from grilling sand for dinner.
The Saudis are going to eventually need us to clean up their wahabi plague, and they won't be getting it with lying accusations like this.
Oh, our Saudi friends.......what a laugh.
I'd like the reference in Aesop. This is something absolutely new to me. I also recall that there were places in the 1001 Nights where characters are shown up as foolishly self-deceived--but I think this is a staple of a lot of folk-tales from a lot of different cultures.
Sorry, David. I scrolled through too fast and missed the information you provided earlier.
Re: Aesop's Fables
Last year, in one of the Arab News "Islam in Perspective" columns, someone wrote in with a question about theft. Basically, if an item is not locked up, it's really not theft if you take it - even if you know it belongs to someone.
There was more sophistry involved, but that's pretty much it. That's also pretty much confirmed by observation. We don't leave ANY company or personal tools lying around in the shops.
Or in the words of the not so immortal jay: "If it's not nailed down, it's not theft. And if I can pry it up, it wasn't nailed down. Allah provides."