An update on the trial of the notorious British-based jihadist Abu Hamza. From The Mirror:
MILITANT cleric Abu Hamza is a leading member of a "global conspiracy" to wage war on the West, a court was told yesterday.The allegation was made in a statement by a senior FBI agent on the opening day of a hearing to decide whether he is extradited to the United States to face terror charges....
The hearing at Belmarsh magistrates court in South London was told he played a key role in Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network.
Hamza is accused of plotting to set up terror training camps in Bly, Oregon, and giving letters of introduction to high-ranking Taliban fighters. The allegations also relate to a hostage-taking incident in the Yemen in which three Britons were killed in 1998.
If found guilty in the US, he faces more than 100 years behind bars - or possibly the death sentence.
An affidavit from FBI terrorism expert Michael Butsch said: "The evidence demonstrates that Abu Hamza is a member of a global conspiracy to promote Jihad against the US government and other Western countries."
Referring to his preaching at Finsbury Park mosque in North London, Mr Butsch added: "He taught his followers that Jihad demanded killing the enemy of Islam."
What the hell is up with Britain? these people spit on everything that this country was built on. At the current rate England will cease to be a nation of English people with an English culture....they will become second class citizens, brow beaten by the apologists and wacked into place by these Islamists using and abusing the system at every whim and opportunity.
What a waste of tax-payers money it is giving this monstrocity a trial. Many of these tax-payers who have lost loved ones because of Cpt.Hook and filth like him ( on 9/11, in Bali and coalition soldiers in Iraq and USA ). The law needs seriously changing in the UK, the courts are ineffective at best, a push-over on average and laughable at their worst (oh I already said on average - sarcasm off). Trials should only be given to real UK citizens (the same for the USA), not foreighners hate preachers who make a mockery of the aforementioned nations by delivering their sermons on the streets of the very country they are enlisting terrorists to destroy and fight against. A minimum of evidence should be required to send trash like him to his death bed, and the same goes for the "british citizens" he collaborates with, it's so upsidedown. Is the our goverment so hopeless that they can't keep a known terrorist/recruiter , at the very least, in jail.
I really hope he does get extradited to the US, at least he'll get the death sentence their, a leniant punishment in my view . Don't waste any more time and money on this vulture.
This is what you get under socialism, whether you call it by that name in Europe or Canada, or you call it liberalism here in the United States.
This is why I deem liberalism every much a threat to the American way of life as is Islam, as liberalism enables jihad.
Think about that in November.
Joe Bananas
Couldn't agree with you more.This Abu Hamza's outrageous lifestyle funded by British taxpayers for many years while he preached death to Infidels in BRITAIN [whilst living on Welfare benefits including support for new wife and her brats] is
really taking the Piss...
Spineless Blair government has a lot to answer for
since Hamza is the most hated man in Britain and
questions were asked in Parliament about getting him deported yonks ago. The cost of maintaining Hamza and also paying his legal fees [why the hell
are the govt doing this] has been estimated in the
region of a cool million pounds - all this for an ungrateful arsehole who wants to kill Infidels!!
When Hamza's house was raided, thousands of pounds
were discovered in cash. I sent a letter to BBC pointing this out also the fact that anyone else
would have been prosecuted for fraud since Hamza
obviously had money to pay his way including legal defense.Never received a reply from BBC.
It's enough to drive one......BANANAS!!
In the wake of the 9-11 Commission report, Steve Emerson & Daniel Pipes are interviewed on the "Abrams Show". Here is (incredibly) yet more denial, in one of the agencies our tax dollars pay to protect us:
ABRAMS: Daniel Pipes, is that reassuring to you?
PIPES: It is reassuring and I agree in the specifics but I think the larger picture remains a more problematic one, problematic one in that for example, the FBI is deeply reluctant to name the enemy. The FBI will only talk about terrorists. The FBI will not note that there is an ideology behind those terrorists, a motive, an identity. The FBI is still not really facing the facts of who the enemy is and how to deal with it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5496886/
Bob,
You are right on point.
The liberals are enablers of, apologists for, and sympathizers with the Islamo-fascists.
I'm afraid Europe will be lost to Islam, as the socialists become more popular and as America continues to sink down, into the abyss of left wing liberalism,the enemy will only benefit.
Abu Hamza should get the same treatment he has been inciting others to meat out to us "westerners".
It wouldn't cost much - about 70p - the cost a 762 round! There would be no shortage of volunteers to pull the trigger either.
I for one am utterly fed up with the "PC" brigade in this country - preaching hate against it while living here on bloody state handoutd should be a treasonable offence that carries the ultimate punishment and, I give them no quarter because they would give you and me none.
July 24, 2004
Is the market drop from Terrorist?
When market was up on Thursday the biggest sell off was in Furniture stock? Friday there was a Fire at a Furniture Factory? In Salt Lake City and was the dersiter not from that area?
What did Sandy Berger stuff in his pants? Today heard he was searched after a party the cheese was missing?
9/11 new book by commission says that there were terrorist ties with Iraq? OH MY!!
Why would Jack Welish support Kerry ? Could it be that his company GE sold stuff to countries that it was not supposed to? OH MY!!!
What was in Sandy Bergers pants? IE Papers!!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
PS
New 9/11 book paid for by us tax payers says that terrorist were working with saddam?
I think it is amasing how close we got to catching these guys !! Yes this is a big world and that is the amasing and I remember the first reports 30,000 dead yes the lose of life was big but it could have been even worse !
What did Sandy Berger steal and what did the dem's do to sell out the USA the chips to china what will thay do next?? Have we had enough of blue dresses and berger stealing papers and sherders???
We need real people who care about this country not a bunch of wimps who rule by polls?dems? Give me a man in cowboy boots any day!!
Cause we call those Boots Sh-t Kickers and there be some big sh-t out there that needs kicken
The imam is a good and pious man who has devoted his life to promulgating the faith and serving the faithful. He was severely wounded (in fact, maimed) while defending the people of Afghanistan from the savage foreign invaders. Because of his wounds, he is now limited to preaching Allah's (swt) message and teaching and counseling his flock.
Because he is an outspoken advocate for the downtrodden Muslims in Britain, he has been persecuted mercilessly. He is a very brave man who steadfastly refuses to submit to the illegitimate British state. He is answerable to Almighty Allah (swt) for his actions, not to the man-made laws and regulations of the unbelievers.
If he were in fact guilty of any real crimes, he would long since have been convicted and jailed. That he has not, in spite of the vicious campaign by the British authorities to silence and punish him for his forthright advocacy of Islam, is proof of his innocence.
Because they have been thwarted in their efforts to trump up charges against Abu Hamza, the British government now proposes to turn him over to their American masters. In America, of course, the imam can be held incommunicado without charge indefinitely.
Where is your Western concern for "human rights"? Do subhuman Muslims have any such rights in your great "free" societies? I think that the comments on this site answer that question.
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar
Jeez, Reza,
What a waste of a homo sapien brain you have.
Sorry, I meant homo subhumanus brain.
Subhuman muslims such as this one will receive infidel justice.
Reza's inane and imbecilic "alleged " commentary is becoming more and more pathetic and boring.
The remarks of this uneducated and ignorant Islamo-slob are a clear representation of the Muslim community.
It would do good, to try and refrain from responding to the Islamo-garbage spewed by this so called "Jihadis".
Ostracizing such Muslim-trash in this type of forum can sometimes be most effective.
I await the day when this "proud" muslim is humbled when he is extradited to face justice in the US. I'm sure by now he knows, it was one of his fellow muslims in the US gave him up in exchange for reduced prison time.I'm hoping for a long prison term for the fascist Abu Hamza.
Roxane,
Sending this terrorist to prison is to light a punishment.
The Islamo- bastard should be summarily shot,on second thought this would be to dignified for him.
Hang the son of a bitch!
Chances are the Brits will not extradite him unless the death penalty is off the table, as they have a law regarding that circumstance.
So much the better. Deny him his chance to be a "martyr" and let him spend the rest of his life as someone's bitch in federal prison.
The taxpayers would wind up paying for the cost of having to incarcerate this Islamo-scum, the very people that he is trying to kill.
Hopefully the British will have the good sense and balls to extradite him to the US.
But then with the pc left wing socialist wankers over there, who knows.
REZA My little Iranian Lemming
Yeah,guess you are a big fan of Abu the Hook Hamza. Bet those Muslim chicks swoon at the sight
of One Eyed Abu who promotes an aftershave 'Gorgeous Guerillas Knock Girls Dead'
after cutting off their ears,noses and tongues to sell as body parts in Pakistan. Helps fund the Taleban, didn't you know! By the way Sweetie, your
hero didn't lose his eye and hand fighting for the glorious faith of Islam in Afghanistan. Nah,
Abu Barbu was trying to make a bomb and Allah was having a bad day.... Take care.
People,
Reza’s ranting comments are reminiscent of old soviet, Chinese, or current north Korean propaganda. I, for one, do not and will not believe that he/she is a muslim. It is an instigator that repeats the same speech with mild variations. Initially it may have caused an effect, but now it is old, tiring and worth less than a hair on my butt. So, Reza, please update your psychotic ramblings or just shut up.
Oh, and we (non-muslims) will be more than happy to accommodate the muslim request for martyrdom.
reza,
If allah favors muslims, why are there hundreds of thousands of you killed in Iran, Algeria, Azerbaijan, etc. because of earthquakes, droughts, floodings, etc. I guess God has learned the mistake with you muslims and he is trying to rectify it. You are right, it is allah’s will.
ooopppss!!!
I forgot your brothers in Turkey, how many in the last 5 years, 120.000 dead. May allah's will continue.
reza, you truly are brainwashed by the fools of islam. "he is not guilty of any real crimes" you say, what about the kidnapping of 16 western tourists in Abyan, his bomb plots, his leadership of a terrorist organization the Supporters of Shariah--oh i forgot, Muslims have there own laws. You damn idiot, this isnt Biblical times, this is modern day civilization. Do some justice for the aetheists in the world and go kill yourself, because you probably have never pondered the fact that there may not be an afterlife and our time on Earth is our only chance to love and live. When are you going to blow yourself up anyway. And my grandchildren will be Muslim, Never in mankinds existence will any blood of mine be made dirty by the filth of Islam. And you girl will have no grandchildren, because this is the beginning of the end for Islam. And your proceeding generations will fail to exist. And just like all Islams and Muslims you dont defend yourself-Im still waiting for your response to my interpretations of your shit book the Koran.
Living, loving, playing is the art of resistance.
I'm surprised people continue to respond to Reza who's an obvious "troll".Most websites ban posters who are just "trolling" topics as they contribute nothing to the discussion.
Remember. Do not feed the troll.
The comming (and it will) economic collapse will devaste the EU, as 90% of the world commerce is dependant on the US economy. This may translate into an "awakening" which will, in the short term, cause socialist idealizm to cry out for "more" but will, as all socialism does and has done though history, result in war. europe, as it always has done, will feed on itself. Will europe rid itself of the burden of Islam wood ticks? or will it adopt the strict totalitarian control Islamic idealism offers? This remains to be seen.
Biblicly, it's called the second beast rizing.
I think the best thing to do with Reza is NOT to reply to him/her...I think he/she is just trolling for a reaction.
Wonder what this guy did to piss off allah? He seems to be doing everything allah wants, preaching death and hate to infidels, breeding like a cockroach...yet look at him...eye patch, hooks for hands, ugly as sin...certainly he cant be at the top of allahs list...and if thats what you get when you become allahs best friend...I do believe I will stay an infidel. A hanging is no good for a muslim...they love the beheadings...and if they behead this goon they should let stephen king film it for his next horror movie...that abu creep would be perfect.
Agreed
Everyday, every topic, this reza person comes in and cuts a fart then all of a sudden people are OT screaming IT STINKS IN HERE. It's getting old (and predictable)
ON THE OTHER HAND
It is entertaining seeing all the people getting really pissed off (I'm glad they're on my side). There are some pretty funny come backs. And they way things are going I could use a good chuckle now and then.
SO reza..... hit us with your best shot.
Peace Out
it looks like the britons have lost most of the courage that has once so well characterized them.
They are only capable of commiting acts of hooliganism when their favorite soccer team loses.
But when it comes to more important issues,such as their country being illegally invaded by islamic fanatics,their will being raped by the leftists in the government and media,all they do is...nothing.
Hey brave britons,are you sick and tired about this Abu Hamza individual?!...do something about it and do it now!
Do you want a girl like me to go there and show you how it should be done,or what?!
God bless America and all those who are fighting the muslim cancer,allover the world.
USAgirl,
Are you seriously advocating the beheading of Hamza?
Shall we stoop to the same level as the barbarians?
There are manys other ways of dispencing with this mutant.
PS: Please review my reply to your last comments reguarding "homosexuals" (Dhimmi Watch:American Airlines:Dhimmitude in Anti-hate regulations,Comment No. 51)
USAgirl said: "Wonder what this guy did to piss off allah? He seems to be doing everything allah wants, preaching death and hate to infidels, breeding like a cockroach...yet look at him...eye patch, hooks for hands, ugly as sin"
He was justly rewarded by "Allah". What are you thinking?
"Allah" the rock god just not give out pleasurable reward for doing his (or Muhammad the pedophile) will. It's a reminder to all that there shall be no pleasure on earth (under Islamic rule).
We can gather however, at least those of us in the real world, those not brainwashed by the islamic cult of rock worship, that this guy must have been daydreaming in bomb making class, and hooked up the wrong wire.
There was a mosk explosion about a year ago in Iraq, where another idiot (Reza's brother perhaps) did the same thing and blew up the "workshop".
Allah wills it.... LMAO!
AllahU a rock (SOH)
And again, allah does NOT mean god, so do not translate "allahu akbar" to mean "god is great",
because it doesn't.
Allah is simply the NAME of the rock god. God in Arabic is ilah, and in the koran, it shows the difference of those words many times, as in:
Qur’an 20:14 “Verily, I am Allah. No Ilah (God) may be worshiped but I. So serve you Me, and perform regular prostration prayer for My praise. Verily the Hour is coming. I am almost hiding it from Myself.”
(was that an allah giggle to himself?)
Qur’an 20:96 “Now look at your ilah (god), of whom you have become devoted. We will (burn) it and scatter it in the sea! But your Ilah (God) is Allah: there is no ilah (god) but He. Thus do We relate to you some stories of what happened before from Our own Remembrance.”
Yes there is a "ihah". His name however, is Yahweh, not "allah', and is the total opposite of that demon possesed Muhammads rock god.
Son...either get off your high horse or get a sense of humor...
I was replying to someones suggestion that he be hanged...muslims do not hang one another for punishment, they condone and accept beheading as punishmen...as reza put it "as prescribed by allah"...dont comment to me any longer if you cant understand sarcasm.
I certainly do support the death penalty in cases of murder, I do not believe in a person killing another and being a burden on taxpayers the rest of their natural life.
PS...I read your comments and I still think you are a homophobe.
USAgirl,
Your calling me a homophobe sounds like a typical pc liberal responce.
A homophobe is someone who is afraid of homosexuals,I have NO Fear of them.
I just do not what to see their abnormal sexual behavior in public places,neither do the vast majority of hetrosexual males and especially couples with childern.
By the way the part of the human anatomy that they enjoy so much was intened by our creator, God the Father Almighty to be an "exit" not an "entrance"
I do not wish them any harm.
As long as they stay in the closet they are not a threat to world peace.
It's only a joke ,now don't start getting all upset again.
reza The Borg (swt) Master said, The imam is a good and pious man who has devoted his life to promulgating the faith and serving the faithful. He was severely wounded (in fact, maimed) while defending the people of Afghanistan from the savage foreign invaders. Because of his wounds, he is now limited to preaching Allah's (sob) message and teaching and counseling his flock.”
Ah… the poor hook handed imam… spending the next 100 years in an American federal penitentiary should take the wind out of his sails eh?…. hehehehe….
“Rejoice, your grandchildren will be jailing islamo fascists.”
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