Saudi prince lashes out at US over Mideast stance

The Middle East must change ITS policy with regard to the Western World...We charge that the intolerant attitudes of the Middle East need to be changed.

Remember, in the Arab and Perian world, lying is a way of life. The truth is a function of what weapon you are holding and how much gold is in your pouch.

Semper fi, ragheads. You are about to find out that your best frined and your worst enemy is a US Marine. And you just really pissed them off.

Happy birthday America. This is our day. Nothing anyone from the land of liars and killers will change what we are, which is the greatest nation on planet earth.

To all Americans, not immigrants that have crossed our borders, legally or illegally and call themselves Americans, but to all true Americans that hold citizenship, I wish to you all the best that life can offer, which doesn'thappen to include radical Muslims, and their ongoing bullshit.

It doesn't include all of us having to listen to the puke that this Saudi Princess is spewing into magazines and newspapers, or having to listen to threats from pigs that are stuck in the 7th century.

Every year, American taxpayers give, and give, and give to foreign ingrates, all so they can turn around and hate us.

To hell with them and anyone that feels for them.
May God bless us all.

D.C.

1."There is much frustration in the Islamic world "Washington must review its Mideast policy from the ground up,".

2. America is not helping matters,""The majority of Arabs and Saudis find that America is doing too little in Palestine and is downright obedient to Israel,"

These comments are almost unbelievable if not really laughable. In all cases it is the other way around without question.

The Sauds are playing to their radical Wahabists who have pretty much hijacked Mecca. Waahabism was founded in Saudia Arabia over 200 years ago and is still the predominate Islamic fundamental Ideology that has so greatly influenced the radical thinking of muslims.

It has been a supporter and funder of terrorism that has influenced the Muslim Brotherhood which produced groups like Hamas and it 36 articles of hate that have stiffeld every effort to bring peace to the regon of Palestine and Israel.

And yet we have this prince guy saying America is not doing enough to correct the Palestinian problem. The problem is Saudia Arabia,Syria,and Iran.

Hows that old saying go " You can lead a Palestinian to water but you cant make him drink it".Or something like that.

DC is right. This is a day to remember who we are, and to acknowledge the fact that because of who we are, we will prevail.

Happy 4th, everyone! And if I may quote Catherine:

God Bless the USA and Her Fighting Forces and those who Fight with Her; give them Strength and Courage to Stay the Course to Victory. Amen.

We here at JW are "fighting forces" of another kind; May God Bless Us All.

I feel these comments written by Colonel North seem quite appropriate on this July 4th day in this comment section.

Passing freedom's torch
Oliver North (archive)

July 2, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Two hundred and twenty eight years ago this week, a committee of five patriots, headed by a farmer from Virginia, prepared the final draft of a radical document. On the morning of July 4, they presented the results of their work to the body that had set them to the task: the Second Continental Congress. The larger group made just 86 changes in Thomas Jefferson's "fair draft" and then, pledging "to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor," all 56 members signed their names to this Declaration of Independence.

In so doing, they created something that was then unique on the planet earth: a country based on the concepts of individual liberty, private property and democratic government. Since then, the people of this nation have taken great risks to offer others the hope of that same freedom.

America's commitment to human liberty has required extraordinary sacrifice from the people of this land. Yet, the lives, blood and treasure expended in this quest have made it possible for hundreds of millions of oppressed and subjugated people around the globe to live in freedom from despotism.

During the last century, Americans rescued Europe from German domination in World War I. Twenty-three years later, we again went to war -- and more than 400,000 Americans died saving the world from the murderous rampages of Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Hideki Tojo. And for the next 45 years during the Cold War, America sent its sons and daughters into harm's way to stem the tide of totalitarian communism. Now, we're confronted by yet another form of tyranny and terror: radical Islamic Jihadism.

Like World War II and the twilight struggle against dictators espousing the ideologies of Marx, Lenin and Stalin, this too is a global challenge, fraught with danger for America. Now, a mere 15 months after removing Saddam Hussein from power, an American-led coalition has returned sovereignty to an Iraqi-selected interim government and placed that country on the path to free and democratic elections. The new government in Baghdad has now arraigned the former dictator and charged him with crimes against his own people and neighbors. He will face trial in front of his countrymen -- a fate not offered to Benito Mussolini or Nicolae Ceausescu.

Yet, despite this dramatic progress, critics from Paris to the American Left complain that these steps are inadequate or too slow in coming. Apparently they have forgotten -- or do not know -- that it took four arduous years for Germany and seven for Japan to assemble sovereign governments after World War II. And even in the United States it was 12 years between Patrick Henry's cry of "Give me liberty, or give me death" and the ratification of the United States Constitution in 1787.

What makes the new sovereign authority in Iraq all the more remarkable is that it has occurred while remnants of Saddam's former regime -- and crazed radical Islamic Jihadists -- are launching deadly attacks against the new government, Coalition Forces, Iraqi law enforcement and security personnel, and innocent men, women and children. These foes of freedom and democracy in Iraq are not "freedom fighters," or "resistance fighters." They are terrorists.

Iraq's new President Ghazi al-Yawer and Prime Minister Iyad Allawi have thanked America and its allies for the sacrifices made in placing Iraq on the path to democratic governance. President Bush and the new Iraqi government have begged the "international community," the United Nations, the European Union, NATO and the 56-member Islamic Conference for help. Yet, with the exception of Great Britain, little but lip service has been proffered by most of those in "Old Europe" who were liberated by American blood. Their lack of gratitude -- and foresight about the threat they face -- is palpable.

Despite the lack of international support -- and the propaganda of the political left here at home -- the American people, and their sons and daughters now serving in the heat, dust and danger of Iraq, remain resolute. The most effective barometer of troop morale -- and support for a just war -- is the recruitment and re-enlistment rate in our military. It's a lesson Washington learned at Valley Forge during that long, cold winter of 1777-1778. Thankfully, the numbers of young Americans volunteering to enter service -- and willing to continue in our armed forces -- is still setting records.

Those who celebrate America's 228th Independence Day on lonely outposts in Afghanistan and Iraq are a magnificent reflection of who we are as a people. Our soldiers, sailors, airmen, guardsmen and Marines who have placed themselves between us and the terrorists who would kill us if they had the chance are the best proof of all that America is still: "the home of the brave and the land of the free."

GOD BLESS AMERICA !

Mackie:

Thank you.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

GOD BLESS THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!

Congratulations americans. I am not american but I support you and thank you your efforts to defend freedom. I only have a "but" why are you friends of saudis who have given many proofs of their treachery and of creating terrorists and many other things?
Is it for oil? you should consider other alternatives.

Is this Saudi Prince Walid Ibn Talal the same sand savage who tried to insult America and got his $10M check placed rectally by Rudy Guiliani?

Re: josé maría. You ask, "I only have a "but" why are you friends of saudis who have given many proofs of their treachery and of creating terrorists and many other things?" Many of us ask the same. We do not know but suspect many motives. You question causes many of us pain, not because it is so cogent, but because it reflects how much our government is out of our control right now.

Ditto CGW.

Today is a good day to review FDR's speech to the nation which was given 11 months prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Hey, where are Bob Owens, Catherine and Mentat?

Come back guys!

We are missing a Number of people. Why? I see nothing difficult about registering a (Valid!) email addy and getting down to business.

19 days to the Wedding. I am keeping my fingers crossed, guys. The dealine for Europe is due to run out about 10 days ahead of my wedding, and if these bastards do something to prevent my Best Man from getting here...

jose maria- yea, it is for the oil. does america do anything unless theres something in it for them?

Time to place a moratorium on foreign aid to ALL nations of the world, not just the Middle East. Those people are ingrates. All they do is take, take, take, and how do they repay us? 9-11.

God Bless America.

Muslim:

It is about peace,freedom,the right of the individual, and stability in the world.

Which is Something I am sorry to say that muslims have a difficult time understanding in an Islamic culture, but Americans have died defending those rights for people all over the world.

Quite frankly , the oil be dammed ! We actually get more oil from Canada. Last year our congress voted against producing oil in an area called Anwar that could have produced billions of gallons of oil for this countries needs, but the environment won out on that one.

New exploratory wells our producing sweet crude on the southwest coast of Africa that may eclipse the oil deposits in the middle east. Sweet crude is better and cheaper because it can be pumped directly into oil tankers without processing.

America and the western countries have made the middle east countries rich and sadly they have squandered it on so much waste. There economies have lived off the revenues from oil and very little else with the exception of exporting hate against the western world.

Unfortunatley they could not see the forest thru the trees and have now squandered all the good will that America had once given .

Mr. Muslim:

There are articles and comments just above these that speak the truth, take a moment and read them closely.

Notice how "muslim" is afraid to have her email address posted?

Typical cowardly muslim - can't even face the consequences of her own statements, much less her actions or those of her satanic brethren.

No offense, jawa. :-)

Mackie says to Muslim: "It is about peace,freedom,the right of the individual, and stability in the world."
But Muslim seems to be refering to a question I put before and I repeat why are you friends of saudis who have given many proofs of their treachery and of creating terrorists and many other things? Is it for oil?

If your answer was for my question I am afraid that I don´t agree or at least it makes no sense because if you have other alternatives why to go on with people aho are killing you?

Maybe this is the darkest point of America, you have a very great ideal: freedom, but too often you trade with devil just for the sake of money and power. You are doing it with arabs and now you are paying the consequences.

Don´t misunderstand me I am against islam, I know and perfectly understand the danger of that ideology.

josA marAa:

The relationship with "The House of Saud" is an awkward one indeed. And yes America does have great investments in that country in the oil industry.

Unfortunately the Saudis` are walking a difficult line with the fundamentalist (Wahaabists) in Saudia Arabia where that radical Islamic sect originated over 200 years ago. The Sauds are found to use from appeasment to down right lying in the pursuit of keeping the apple cart upright.

Take the terrorist out of the picture and you will notice things are a bit more managable. The truth be that the world has always had places where it has been difficult or dangerous to conduct business.

Yes we can cut and run in this environment, the question is ,should we? After all that is exactly what the terrorists want America to do isn`t it. But America will not cut and run my friend.

Take a look at the whole big picture for it is about a lot of things that have to work and it can never be as simple or narrow as just the oil.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

How much the Saudis would love America to align with the Arabs’ (public) darlings, the “Palestinians” against Israel! They could then crow that this vindicates their policy of basic rejectionism of the Jewish State, fancying that machinating such a US turnabout would not only restore the House of Saud on its perch as the font of all wisdom for Araby, but would serve to take a great deal of the wind out of the sails of el-Qaeda within the Kingdom as well.

They categorically refuse to see that the terrorists of the PA/PLO-Hamas-Jihad Islami-“Pal” Hezbollah and those of el-Qaeda hold a lot more in common than whatever tiny things divide them. It’s just that el-Qaeda’s consumed with enmity to the Sauds, while the “Palestinians” are pleased to take Saudi cash and influence. Indeed, the differences between the “big-picture” views of the Wahabist House of Saud itself and the Wahabi Islamists of el-Qaeda are NEGLIGIBLE – the glaring discrepancy is that in Osama bin-Laden’s vision, the Sauds are nowhere in the frame.

Under pressure from el-Qaeda domestically, the Saudis and the other Arab and Moslem countries are bidding to draw a distinct - false - separation between el-Qaeda and its surrogates’ violence and “Palestinian” mayhem, between “terrorists” and “freedom fighters”. (- That old one again!)

But, IN PRACTICE they’re almost identical, seeking the same thing: expanding the dar el-Islam to subjugate the world, via Jihad. On the geopolitical scale, they diverge on minor, tactical items alone: the “Palestinians” insist on the elimination of Israel as the first step, the Sauds and el-Qaeda look further abroad for early fields of conquest; el-Qaeda excludes the Sauds from any role in its prospective global Qalifate, though the Saudis desire a prominent place in it.

For Washington to accede to Saudi demands re Israel would be tantamount to it retreating from the Middle East and abdicating the region to the mortal enemies of America, Israel and the West in general - literally a suicidal move, handing a pronounced strategic advantage to them. MAD!!

WWIV is of such a scale and sweep that America must progress stepwise. KSA is just not the most urgent threat. Iran clearly is.

America must keep on board as many allies as possible. Even if they do not meet anyone's ideal. To fight every bad player at once would ensure failure.

Right now the battle is to wrap up Iraq: give it enough stability to stand as an ally. It is not necessary for Iraq to do anything more, at this time.

The reduction of Iran would cause Syria to follow Libya's route. After all, Iran is bankrolling their play.

Iran's wallet is right across the Shatt el Arab. It could be taken with three divisions. Their atomic program could be terminated by airpower. Hitting the Revolutionary Guards would allow a general uprising to proceed. The Mullahs are wildly unpopular and need the RG to hold the lid down.

Regime change would not have to entail marching on the capital. Iran would be like Afghanistan not Iraq.

Muslim: If it were all about oil, the USA would've acquiesced in Sodom Insane's seizure of Kuwait, and gone back to business as usual. After all, when bush comes to shove, greenbacks are cheaper than blood. After all, we (I'm American) got along fine with the China of Deng Xiaoping, whose great and successful ambition in life was to preserve 20th century totalitarianism in all of its unequaled ugliness.

Blert: I'm not eager for a war with Iran. The people may hate the mullahs, but an attack on them could unite them the way Japan's attack on China in 1936 united that country.

Jose Maria--Viva Espana!

As far as Iran goes, it's a RACE against time.

Which comes first - the popular overthrow of the Ayatollahs and their replacement with a democratic, non-belligerent Government or the reactionary Mullahs accumulating a "war-fighting" quantity of nuclear warheads? (They've already got plenty of Scuds on stand-by, upon which to mount these.)

Their initial, operational, atomic device will be in their hands in a year or so; then it's estimated that they can produce between three and six per annum. To have a minimum "war-fighting" ability, Iran would need at least a dozen nukes - twenty would be better, forty or fifty would be ample....

Recently there was a story on here about the Saudis adamantly - straight-facedly - opining that el-Qaeda was a tool of the Zionists - because the House of Saud was under attack by them both!

This is a fine illustration of their own utter, psychopathological IRRATIONALITY and, to boot, of the totally false, illogical thinking which the Wahabi madrassas, mosques and many Middle East Studies departments, in prestigious Western colleges (which the Sauds themselves have financed, facilitated &/or finessed, across the dar el-Islam and all over the globe, for a quarter-century), drill daily into the impressionable, unquestioning minds of students and seekers.

The House of Saud’s defective mentality dooms it to lie most uncomfortably in the bed it’s made for itself - probably in the somewhat near term. Its belief that it’s got forever to embark on major reform’s a further example of the pathetic illusions it superstitiously believes in.

Demographically (like the rest of the Arab world) its populace’s growing rapidly, mainly in the sector of youth, with a “bulge”-cohort SOON attaining its teen age. Half of them are females entering their reproductive years, half males who are suitable for combat (if not fully “fighting fit”). Many have some schooling, but there’s no employment awaiting them upon graduation.

On the other hand, everywhere in the Kingdom, there’s plenty of aggro and frustration for them, but scant entertainment, nor diversion (except for religion); there are heaps of modern weapons there and in every corner, as well, there’s the heady lure of the Jihad and “martyrdom”.

Unless, by the close of this decade - at the latest - the rising generation in Saudi Arabia and the Arab and Moslem sphere is completely absorbed in the savouring of the fruits of peace, it adds up to a big war - probably regional at least, feasibly raging from Morocco to Indonesia, from Kazakstan to the Comoros. The positive relief for these youngsters in question’s NOPLACE on the horizon today, but where they are, the air’s increasingly crackling with destructive negativity.

Endeavouring to ride this crazy monster - largely of their own creation - at this stage, it looks as though the Sauds have lost all objectivity and have, in fact, inanely swallowed their own absurd propaganda, convinced that LIES are TRUE and vice-versa (having cultivated the agreement of millions of Moslems in the Umma as their claque, to cheer on whatever it is they say).

If this is indeed the case, however, then when truths are TESTED in the unforgiving crucible of War, the Sauds’, radical Arabs’ and militant Moslems’ lies will finally count for nothing.

jose maria- yea, it is for the oil. does america do anything unless theres something in it for them?

Posted by: muslim at July 4, 2004 03:42 PM

Quick question if Muslim is still lurking. Why is it that so many Muslims want to live in the U.S. if it's truly the "Great Satan" that Muslims say it is?

If you fools think you're taking over the show, you're in for the biggest, and hopefully the final shock of your lives. Move to America, live like Americans, or go back to the hell hole you came from.

By the way, Homeland Security is starting to perform interviews in the African communities now, specifically the Somali communities. Somalis are followers, not leaders.

They do what their Arab masters tell them to do, because they can't think for themselves. I'm sure we'll find more terrorists trolling in these neighborhoods, like the lying, sneaking Somali that was indicted on terror charges in Columbus on June 14th.

It's about time these neighborhoods that contain Somalis were investigated, actually it's far overdue. The clamps are tightening.

CGW:

None taken.

"Quick question if Muslim is still lurking. Why is it that so many Muslims want to live in the U.S. if it's truly the "Great Satan" that Muslims say it is?"

There is a reason, besides the fact they procreate like rabbits, they want to settle a moslim majority in the world and then declare sharia.