How interesting to get hate mail from Christians for a change. Here is a choice one I received, thrillingly paradoxical in its lustily slung insults combined with its self-righteous pious posturing and castigation of me for insulting Mr. Kristof. My reply follows, along with another exchange.
These are not posted, however, just for entertainment value: it is instructive to note that these attitudes are still held by large numbers of Americans, and that they obstruct anti-terror efforts. Thus it is important, I believe, to reply to them whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Also, a little State-of-the-Union note: all of the mail I have received about this column, and it has been considerable, has been either from haters or skeptics. Not one message of support or agreement. (UPDATE: I have now received a few very kind notes. Thanks to all who sent them.)
Dear Mr. Spencer, It’s very interesting how many times you mentioned Mr. Kristof’s name and followed it by an insult of some sort. Instead of sharing an intelligent and thought provoking opposite perspective you made yourself look like someone with their head up their a--.After reading your view point of “Are Left Behind Books Dangerous?”,
in the Wednesday, July 21, 2004 edition of The Dallas Morning News, I
was ashamed and embarrassed that I share the faith of Christianity with you. Somehow, your warped sense of self has been allowed to be shared with the mass public and spread uneducated and yes, ignorant hate against all Muslims.It is extremely ignorant to take short passages out of any book, let
alone a holy book such as the Quran, and say “See…this is what all
Muslims believe”. Many American and world Muslims do NOT believe in
the extremists actions the radical Islamic Militants have taken. The
reason I am told, is because of their holy book, the Quran. Do some
further research and you will find many passages that encourage peace, faith and tolerance in the Quran. That way, Mr. Spencer, you would have spared yourself the embarrassment of looking like a moral and racist imbecile.It is amazing how you seem to forget all the atrocities that have
been conducted against non-Christians in history and in present day by people who share our love in Jesus. Grow up and get a grip on reality Mr. Spencer.The several people in my office who read the article (primarily a
Christian group) felt disturbed by what you wrote and how it came
across. Your random spewing has shamed all Christians into looking like archaic fools who can’t tell their behind from their head.I praise our Savior Jesus that there are MANY intelligent, thoughtful
Americans who think of how their words, thoughts and actions effect
other people before they speak and will realize that what you wrote was exactly that….YOUR viewpoint.I thank Jesus, that by sharing himself in love by HIS thought, word
and action that many Americans understand that we need to remain
tolerant and humble always. Really, it takes so much time and effort to remain daily in the love and light that Jesus taught us and conduct ourselves in a “Christian manner”, that we don’t have time to stupidly slam others.I am not sure how you got this far in life Mr. Spencer, but it is
clear that you have some serious doubts in yourself, your faith and
your own confidence as a human being. Our actions have a funny way of coming back to visit us and I pray, Mr. Spencer that you are spared the hate that you have spewed in your article.May God Bless you,
[Name deleted], Dallas TX
And my reply:
Dear [Name deleted],Thanks for your note. Please specify where in this article or in any of my books or other articles I have ever said: "See…this is what all Muslims believe."
I would invite you to study the Qur'an, as well as Islamic theology,
jurispudence, and history, and tell me whether you can still maintain
that Islam has no doctrine mandating violence against non-Muslims. You can find these documents readily, or see them quoted abundantly in my book "Onward Muslim Soldiers." Does this mean that all Muslims believe this? Of course not. Nor have I ever said that they do. But to ignore or gloss over this fact is to take away the principal weapon that Muslim reformers have: they can't repair what no one will acknowledge is broken.Cordially,
Robert Spencer
And another:
How convenient for you to mention only the New Testament when talking about Christians killing other people. You fail to note, my friend, that Christians very frequently refer to Jesus' Jewishness and Christians very carefully study the Old as well as the New testaments.And in that Old Testament are many instances where God commanded his people to go out and kill entire communities!
Also, you take a tremendous amount of literary license when you
castigate Mr. Kristof, implying that he lumps Christians and Islam so
conveniently in the same bag.
[Name deleted]
Reply:
Dear [Name deleted],Please specify the Christian churches that teach that Christians have
the responsibility to kill non-Christians. Most Christian churches
actually teach that the Old Testament passages to which you refer have been superseded by New Testament passages such as Matthew 5:38, etc.Also, please point out to me the existence of a global network of
Christian terrorists that take their justification from the Old
Testament, analogous to the many jihadist groups that take their
justification from the Qur'an -- not just Al-Qaeda, but Hamas,
Hizballah, Islamic Jihad, Jemaah Islamiyah, etc. etc. etc.Please also specify any specific statement I made that misrepresents
anything Mr. Kristof said.Cordially,
Robert Spencer
Plus this exchange, which is not hate mail but which I put up for the information contained therein:
Mr. Spencer,I read your column (Dallas Morning News, July 21) and appreciate your
efforts, but I have do have two questions.(1) The citations from the Quran are obviously translations. Can we be sure the word translated "fight" means a physical, armed conflict? Even our word "fight" can mean to struggle or contend, as in fighting a disease, fighting to succeed in business, etc. When I was young, we sometimes sang hymns entitled "The Fight is On" and "Onward Christian Soldiers." I don't think anybody interpreted these to go get a gun to literally fight the non-Christians.
Further, I have heard Muslims say that "jihad" means "the struggle to be a good Muslim." The context of at least one of the references you cite suggests the meaning is not a physical battle: the one about making war on non-Muslims until they either become Muslims or pay the tax. If the purpose of the war was to literally kill them, they could hardly become Muslims OR pay a tax.
(2) To my knowledge, all Christians accept the Old Testament as
Scripture. Go back and read Exodus through Judges, and see how much war you find.Not only that, but the command to "wipe out" the enemies (non-Israelites), sometime men, women, and children, is frequently heard. Is this substantially different from what is in the Islam Scriptures?
Answers to these two sets of questions would be most important if we are to assess your overall thesis.
[Name deleted] (retired minister)
Dallas, Texas
And my reply:
In Islamic tradition, jihad has all these meanings, including physical, armed struggle. I have written a whole book about this, but in any case, the context is clear in this and many other Qur'anic verses: "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens." (47:4). "Smite at their necks" is not the language of dialogue and preaching, but of warfare."Further, I have heard Muslims say that 'jihad' means 'the struggle to be a good Muslim.'"
That is true. However, the legal manual to which I referred, Umdat al-Salik, devotes one paragraph to this meaning of jihad, and ten pages to warfare. It is clear where the emphasis lies, and this is not an isolated or unusual text in this regard.
"The context of at least one of the references you cite suggests the meaning is not a physical battle: the one about making war on non-Muslims until they either become Muslims or pay the tax. If the purpose of the war was to literally kill them, they could hardly become Muslims OR pay a tax."
Right. 9:29 makes it clear that the purpose of the jihad is NOT solely to kill them, but to subjugate them. As is clear from Islamic theology and law, unbelievers have three choices: conversion, submission, or death.
"(2) To my knowledge, all Christians accept the Old Testament as Scripture. Go back and read Exodus through Judges, and see how much
war you find. Not only that, but the command to "wipe out" the enemies (non-Israelites), sometime men, women, and children, is frequently heard. Is this substantially different from what is in the Islam Scriptures?"Yes. Neither Christians nor Jews believe that those were commandments to the believers that were valid for all time. Radical Muslims, however, regard the martial verses of the Qur'an, because they were revealed later than those counseling peace and tolerance, as superseding the verses of peace and mandating a belligerent posture towards unbelievers. This is also the traditional teaching of Islamic divines.
UPDATE: For a further exchange with the first letter-writer above, read on. Once again, I believe the exchange is instructive, as exchanges like this take place every day in America nowadays. I hope you find my responses to all these helpful.
Mr. Spencer, I have read the Quran , all 114 chapters. I have also studied the Hadith as well. These are books similar to our Gospel. I did this an attempt to understand Islam and where Muslims are coming from instead of being fearful and reacting out of that fear. And yes, there were passages, when translated into English from Arabic that seemed harsh. One must remember the time frame in which this book was transcribed (over 1400 years ago). “Left Behind” books, however, are written in this day and age. Whether one likes it or not, people are going to take this information to heart. Just like some misguided souls have taken parts of the Quran and interpreted it to fit their own agenda. There are such people as Wahabists and radicals. Do not lump all Muslims together Mr. Spencer.You are in a very privileged position Mr. Spencer, you can use your
words wisely, or you can use them to destroy. It is unfortunate in what you have chosen thus far.
I invite you, Mr. Spencer to look at our Christian history (assuming
you are a Christian) and take the opportunity to learn from it. It seems you have conveniently chosen to look the other way with our own history. Then, take a step even further and remember what Jesus did for us. It was the ultimate lesson, not man-made by greed and fear, but God-made, for us to learn. The lesson: No matter what happens, move forward with love. Stick to what speaks to your heart and do not let others intimidate you if they believe differently. Go forward by the Grace of God, in peace.
Our Savior, Jesus, sacrificed everything for us and your realm of
thinking dishonors that by spreading hate through insults and ignorance.
Yes, there are differences between Muslims and Christians, but get
over it! We live on planet earth together and there is not a lot of
room for adults who behave like spoiled children who don’t know any
better.
I see that you used this opportunity to plug your book, "Onward
Muslim Soldiers”. It may be a terrific book! On the other hand, if it
is anything like your viewpoint Mr. Spencer, then no thanks….I am not
into hate literature.God Bless,
[Name deleted]
And the reply:
"I have read the Quran , all 114 chapters. I have also studied the Hadith as well. These are books similar to our Gospel."Please specify where in the Gospel there are passages similar to Qur'an 9:5, 9:29, 8:12, 8:39, 5:51, 48:39, 2:191, 98:6, etc. etc. etc.
"And yes, there were passages, when translated into English from
Arabic that seemed harsh."Are you suggesting they are not harsh in Arabic? I must inform you that unfortunately this is not the case.
"One must remember the time frame in which this book was transcribed (over 1400 years ago)."
That would be nice, were it not for the fact that radical Muslims
worldwide do not subscribe to this kind of historical interpretation.
No doubt you are familiar with the Islamic doctrine of naskh, or abrogation, which holds that verses revealed later cancel those revealed earlier in cases of disagreement. On that basis many traditional Islamic teachers have held that the verses of violence and intolerance canceled those of peace. Cf. the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Ibn Juzayy, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Ibn Khaldun, etc."'Left Behind' books, however, are written in this day and age. Whether one likes it or not, people are going to take this information to heart. Just like some misguided souls have taken parts of the Quran and interpreted it to fit their own agenda. There are such people as Wahabists and radicals."
Are you aware that there interpretation represents a broad and constant tradition within Islam? I document this amply in "Onward Muslim Soldiers."
"Do not lump all Muslims together Mr. Spencer."
Please specify where and when I have ever done this.
"You are in a very privileged position Mr. Spencer, you can use your words wisely, or you can use them to destroy. It is unfortunate in what you have chosen thus far."
You seem to know quite a bit about me. Regarding this and your other
comments, I would ask how it is that you can profess such Christian
life while behaving in such an intemperate, judgmental manner, and how you can be so self-righteous about insults when you have done nothing but insult me in two messages now.Everything I have said in every one of my published writings about
Islam, I have carefully documented from Muslim sources themselves, so
that people could know the truth about what is being said and taught in the Islamic world. Islam is not a monolith, and I have never said
otherwise. But to act as if these elements of it do not exist only
stymies legitimate reformers and plays into the hands of the radicals.The fact that you choose not to consider these things, but instead to
heap abuse on me while knowing very little about what I say, or how or why I say it, speaks volumes about you.Cordially
Robert Spencer
These christians will be the first ones after the next attack on US soil to be saying "why didnt anyone warn us" or "we didnt see this coming" or perhaps even more accuratly "what are we doing to anger the peaceful muslims"...bunch of twits...too bad all theses PC people arent going to be gathering on top of a big bullseye for the next attack.
Keep in mind, folks, that these people are not bad, or stupid. They are perfectly average. They simply don't have the facts at this time or have the wrong information, and until these facts start getting column inches and air time on a regular, consistent basis, their ignorance is not likely to change. The truth may be out there, but people have to see it.
This site does a wonderful job of providing the evidence, but unfortunately, conveys this information to a relatively small, self-selected audience. Only when the mainstream media picks up the torch (perhaps forcibly) is this information going to get disseminated on a grand scale.
The first step on this road is to convince a major credible news organization or trusted public personality to go public with this information as a matter of explicit fact.
In a way, a very important part of what w do is simply exist, plugging away with the truth until someone with more reach understands our message, deems it worthy, and stands upon our proverbial shoulders and reaches further than we can.
Keep at it, folks. Let’s fight the good fight.
weren't these the human shilds who can home crying???
The bible is not a book of sucide? Matter of fact to not fight and try to save your own life is sucide and is the worst sin?
From What I understand Jeus told the people he was not telling them to not obe the old book but adding to it?
I don't think that this man has read the quran?
He will be the first to run to his neigbors house who owns a gun when the bullets fly? These people are the girli men and thank God we don't have a whole country full of them!!!
is it Squirrel season yet?
Run human sheils run!!
Part of the American Tribe God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
My dear Bob,
You're absolutely right. That's just why I put these messages up.
Cordially,
Robert Spencer
Yet another incident where anyone who tells the truth about Islam is labeled "ignorant". The ignorant ones are those who refuse to believe that we are not under a spell of paranoia, but under a threat of destruction by a cult, posing as a religion, who is commanded in its unholy book to do destroy all that refuses to believe in Mohammed and his rantings of a rock he named Allah.
The fact that these people are average is not comforting. As I said before the majority of us were brought up to be tolerant of everything from race to religion so it is a completely foreign concept for us to believe that others would cause us harm or death because we do not adhere to their religion. Some may change their views, but most will cruise along with the warm fuzzy contentment that "islam is peace and islam loves all people" that they are being bombarded with by even their own church leaders. And I stand by the statement that even after another horrific attack that will kill thousands of innocent people the majority of PC christians will wonder what we did to anger the "peaceful muslims".
Notice when muslims speak to non muslims they are very soft spoken, very calm and use a very soothing tone, almost like speaking to a small child...non muslims rarely if ever get to see the screaming and fist pounding and "death to infidels" that is preached at mosques all over the world..and even if this was filmed and broadcast the muslims have the old stand by "this is not islam...they are distorting islam...muslims do not believe this"
You can lead a christian to the truth but you cannot make him believe it.
Congratulations, Robert-
The first step is to crack their reality/fantasy world, and the volume of e-mails shows they were struck by your writting.
Robert, nothing can penetrate the self loathing that has been indoctrinated into Western culture, in this particular case nominal Christians responding to your article. It appears to be an intellectual bacillus resistant to any truth born antibody. Case in point, that rather silly editorialist who was beaten to a pulp in Afghanistan, who had a rather bizarre epiphany between blows that somehow it was all his fault. As a personal moniker, I refer to it as Marxist fever.
On reflection, somehow the search for objective truth has been felled by that old human flaw, pride. If you don't have the courage to differentiate or evaluate the other, you'll never be inclined to self evaluation, something that requires even more courage. Great civilization's collapses have always happened just when they've become too comfortable with their prejudices. Just note the yelling and screaming anytime you act on the impulse to tell the truth. No thoughtful reflection, measuring of facts or evidence, just the ever telling tools of your stereotypical "Liberal" bigot; rage and indictment.
No true Christian ever tells someone that they're ashamed to share the same religious beliefs as the other person.
To the responders to Robert Spencer's article: Grow up, and by all means, wake up. I know that we Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek. However, God isn't blind, he is our creator, and therefore he won't us to allow ourselves to be slaughtered by Islamic lunatics. That is suicide, and it pisses God off.
I get the feeling that some of this hate mail is actually being generated by Muslims. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Corrected....No true Christian ever tells someone that they're ashamed to share the same religious beliefs as the other person.
To the responders to Robert Spencer's article: Grow up, and by all means, wake up. I know that we Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek. However, God isn't blind, he is our creator, and therefore he won't allow us to allow ourselves to be slaughtered by Islamic lunatics. That is suicide, and it pisses God off.
I get the feeling that some of this hate mail is actually being generated by Muslims. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Apologies.
There part where the first writer accuses Mr. Spencer of being ignorant to the facts surrounding Muslims and Islam really made me arch an eyebrow.
Doesn't it appall and amaze us when the least informed are the quickest to judge the knowledge and integrity of others?
Keep spreading the truth, Robert. Damn the fools. They will learn the error of their own ignorance soon enough unfortunately.
My dear Mr R. Spencer,
Many thanks for the wonderful response to the so-called christians who see nothing beyond their noses and understand nothing else except themselves.
I guess that person who has written such infuriating article has not had his/her family members killed by jihadists or had a very close friends killed before which is why he/she has the audacity to be writing what is nothing but a stupid and irresponsible personal opinion.
If you dont mind, give me their emails and let me face them, I am already tackling the socialist group in the United kindom.......... If you dont mind you may send their emails to me and I will personally take it up with them.I will give them practical examples of real life and not "them say" experiencies.
Jesus even said it that we should be very cautious of wolves who are in our sheep clothings, example of which you are seeing.
God bless you Mr. R. Spencer with Jehovah on our side we are destined to win. By his grace.
Irrespective of where we come from or where we are or live, we are the same in ideas, and we shall survive and defeat our known foes.
Just like someone has said before on this website,if you throw a stone at the wolves, the one that is mostly hit will tend to fight back.
Have a blessed day Mr Spencer and God bless you real good in the fight for human existence.
Written by,
Ayatollah Dase (SWT).
The following post may be of some interest in this discussion. The real issue is not Islam itself by an extremist cult. This cult has sought justification for the murder of innocents in their on Jihad in their own interpretation of the Koran.
This cult Victor Hanson has defined as:
Islamofascism
Previous post:
The following post may be of some interest in this discussion. The real issue is not Islam itself by an extremist cult. This cult has sought justification for the murder of innocents in their on Jihad in their own interpretation of the Koran.
This cult Victor Hanson has defined as:
Islamofascism
Previous post:
FREEDOM - Thx to The Greatest Generation for Preserving It (Must Read)
To my HSPIG and other friends,
OK, I've refrained from spamming mailboxes lately. I've been adding a number of different arts to the HSPIG forums site. I will try to post another digest shortly.
THE FOLLOWING IS A MUST READ. I believe all Americans should read or hear this information. Please share this with all those who will listen. This applies to the blog site trolls, we need their support too.
I received an email from a relative re Judge Young's sentencing remarks to the "Shoe Bomber."
I've posted the reply to a BBC story on him, followed by the CNN transcript of the Judge's remarks.
Not surprisingly his eloquent remarks did not receive much coverage by the media. May be it's just too trite and un-PC anymore to speak freely of FREEDOM whether under God or not. But if you dig deeply enough you will find this is the very reason why so many in the world nowadays hate Americans and especially the Islamofascists. Go figure!
Well to our enemy, here's to ya, you murdering SOBs!
May the underwear of those innocents you have murdered and their blood multiple one hundred fold and rain down on your miserable, enlightened, silly little asses and wash you from the face of this earth.
WE DECLARE IT - So beit from the home of the free and home of the brave.
The American people and the US Military the finest fighting force in the world
FREEDOM! FREEDOM! FREEDOM! FREEDOM!
In my reply I "bloviate" that the world is facing a clear and present danger by a spreading cancer, Islamofascism.
Ron Wright, Moderator
rwright@hspig.org
www.hspig.org
Full text on HSPIG Forums Site:
http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1104
I always like to refer people to THE HAMAS CHARTER that is easily available on web.
This document made up of 36 articles that proliferates hate towards Zionists,Christians,Infidels, and all other religions ,draws its Islamic ideology from the radical and fundamental teachings of Islam.
The Hamas charter presents itself as a religious document based on the teachings of the Quran and argues that there can be no change in its text once it is published.
Its influence is based in Wahaabist and Salafist teachings and was brought forth by the remnants of the Muslim Brotherhood and by demogogues such as the late Yassim and Rantisi. It is now considered a binding religious document in the Islamic faith.
I strongly suggest that these Christian theologians take 30 minutes to read it, that is if they can stomach the hate that it continously espouses toward non-muslims.
Maybe they shall be a little enlightened as to the total disregard for tolerance that is demonstrated in these 36 articles and in their thinking.
I have many times been called a hate-monger and a war-monger for simply stating the truth, as I see it, that it is the moderate Muslims who are "twisting" the Qur'an, not the radicals.
The fact is, Islam is self-evidently long overdue for reform. We can't do it for them, but I do think it is fortuitous that we are standing up Muslim democrats and I think Iraq may be turning out to be a brilliant stroke is this process.
When the bright light of modern thought begins to shine on those musty old books, they'll disintegrate on their own.
my 2 cents...
The Hamas Charter is a vile blueprint for the revolution of the ignorant and illiterate, full of the usual and typical hateful Muslim nonsense about the suppression of the poor defenseless (and brainless) Palestinians and the quest for a “holy” (choke) jihad.
Nonetheless, the Charter should be mandatory reading for everyone in the West. It is crucial reading to those that think that Islam is a Religion of Peace or feel that Robert Spencer is misguided when he calls a spade a spade.
Thank God (not Allah) that we have this forum to voice our concerns and Robert to lead the charge.
One more thought. The Israeli wall is a physical necessity to counter the walls the Palestinians and other Muslim morons have built around their brains.
Let’s hope everyone in the west wakes up and soon.
Toro
This whole thing brings to my mind
Thessalonians- speaking of people being
under strong delusion, and believing a lie.
(supernatural maybe?)
Many thanks, Robert, for your excellent work critiquing Kristof's column. As an Arabic linguist and a Jewish believer in Jesus, I am well familiar with the confusion of the Western world when it comes to the issues of the end of days and Jihad.
While I would never subscribe to the bloodthirsty descriptions of the Left Behind series, it is nevertheless true that the Bible indicates that few will enter the Kingdom at the end.
Moreover, it is abundantly clear that, while Jihad can be called many things, in practice it is mainly violence against the infidels. However, when the end finally comes, will it be through a Muslim antichrist? I think not. Perhaps in the long view, Jihad will be more a part of the "wars and rumors of wars" rather than a direct part of the actual struggle at the end.
In the end, as people seek understanding on the ultimate issues of the nature of God and the ultimate end of time, what's missing from the discussions is an understanding of just what it means to follow the Way. To me it means living with the knowledge that truly loving God will inevitably bring persecution, loss of worldly possessions. Western Christians have not come to grips with this concept, in my opinion.
Brahim
There was a movement in Russia in the early part of the 20th century to bring fundamental Islam into the modern and civilized world, however it was crushed in the communist revolution in 1923.
Remnants of that effort to make Islam comport with a more civilized world may be seen in some moderate muslim movements. see this website on Jadidism.
http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/newwarcontent.htm
My experience with Christians is that the stronger their beliefs, the stronger is their "mental filter" that screens out any thoughts or ideas that don't fit neatly into their "world view".
This may be true for any religious person. I can see it when posters here ask questions of Muslims.
One shouldn't question one's faith if your a good Christian. One can't question one's faith if your a good Muslim.
Only by asking the hard questions can you get to the hard truth.
It's very difficult to let down your guard when everything is "as it should be". Any disscord is an abberation which will self-correct if left alone. God willing, unless he tells me otherwise.
Good comments so far.
Thanks to Mr. Spencer for putting up the email and replies. I have to answer the same ignorant people myself.What really got to me was the ignoramus who said,
One point that I think everyone shouls learn and process is that Jews and Christians alike have developed a theology that explains why the violence of the Old Testament is no longer valid. For Christians, it is easy to show that the New Testament is an explicit rejection of earthly war, a "new commandment". For Jews there the Oral Torah (the Mishnah). Orthodox Jews believe God gave the Oral Torah to Moses even though it was written down till the second century; modernists believe that the Jews developed the Talmud as a response to the loss of their nation and the destruction of the Temple. Either way the laws of the Old Testament are softened. That is why (contrary to the "Dear Dr. Laura.../Dear Rev. Falwell..." gag going around the internet)Jews and Christians do not stone adulterers and so on.
Muslims have nothing of the kind. Their reform is Wahhabism, for crying out loud!
For anybody who is interested, the Slacktivist blog has a critique of the "Left Behind" books that is very thought provoking (and can be quite amusing). Here's a link to his commentary:
http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/left_behind/
The commentary is in reverse chronological order, so scroll to the bottom before reading it.
I'm not impressed at all with LaHaye & Jenkins as authors, and this guy chews 'em up pretty well.
I’m back in town again.
And guess what, I have another stupid question that doesn’t pertain to this blot, but I have to ask.
Raza why do you put (swt) after every time you reference Allah or Mohamed?
Pauly
*sigh*
I'm a born again Christian, have not read the "Left Behind" series, and neither do I believe that George W Bush nor any other world leader has the "power" to speed up the Rapture and the end of the world.
I believe that if and when the world ends God will do it when He's good and ready and no person's action on this planet will directly or indirectly influence it.
Thanks for letting me speak my piece. :p
As for the Koran, so long as there are Islamic terrorists,
jihads, Muslims quoting about "killing the infidels" from this fabrication, it is going to be a concern of everyone in the world who is aware of what is going on.
Since they want to live in the stone age, the best thing to do is to shove them back there, if they want to be that cut off from the rest of the world, then fine. But they would never, ever be allowed to exit their stone-age country of Saudi Arabia.
Sad that many people have their heads in the sand but during WW2 people had their heads in the sand and we won that war!!
Hate to see this, these people are always the ones who turn and are shocked when they are confronted with the blue dress or that yes the man Berger put papers in his pants? or they cut off the head of a man and put it in their freezer and are the first to run to their neigbors house who has a gun when the bullets fly because they were against guns?
Yes people have all warned these people that guns make the commuity safer and there is proof but still denie the truth when the towers fell they cried what did we do ? Well if they would not listen then ?
We did nothing the terrorist did kill a lot of people and took over a trillion out the USA ecom. But the real men did not sit back and just cry they got mad and went to get them and bring what they believe to light! Now there are people who can't handel the truth and want it to go away well I say to them Get you head out of the sand the tanks can see you and will run you over!!!
Seams that a bomb was planted in a SUV and killed some one ? On Fox Report?
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Srength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
I am always puzzled by the reactions of many religious Christians and Jews in the refusal to defend themselves when under attack.
The letters reveal this type of characater.
"Do not raise your sword in my name, even if this save me and my family from certain death".
This is not entirely about ignorance of Islamic ravages and Jihad. It is part of a doctrine, which arises from the religions themselves.
Knowledge of impending danger does not automatically lead to self defence.
One is reminded of the Maccabbi rebelion and the refusal to fight on the sabbath.
Sent a rather nasty E Mail to BBC on 'Have your Say' about Israel's Barrier and was surprised to
see it printed. Stated that' it was easy enough for those in comfortable armchairs to pontificate
what Israel should do. But as soon as terrorist bombs dropped, they would be screaming and running
for cover...and demanding security, walls, anything to keep the terrorists out...' Unfortunately, your gentle out of this world Reverend is very different to average Mullah or Iman. And Christians are taught that lying and deceit are SINS whilst Muslims consider these VIRTUES.My friends, we certainly can't count on Christian Clergy to save us. In fact, our poor silly clerics are like a flock of sheep shortly to
be ravaged by wolves...
It makes you want to grab these ignorant fools and shake the truth intto them . Robert has presented to them fact after fact and rationaly shared his views. The repliers have just sunken to the level of ranting all of the usual verbal diahorea ,that could easily've been memorized from one of the libby newspapers, and not even returning a decent or even half informed argument. They've just scanned his emails picking out the words they don't agree with and ignored the rest.
And has anyone noticed how all the referals to Christians making war and commiting atrocities are all firmly set in the past. HELLO!!!You buffoons, the muslim threat is here, now and on a massive and dangerous , global scale. Wake the hell up, we don't own a time machine so we can't change the past, but we do own very complex machines called brains so why not use them ?
One of the replyers accuses Robert of having his head up his ass!!!
Kettle...Teapot....Black.....anyone???
Catherine,
Doesn't it make you wonder if these ass-wipes writing the letters, had there heads in the sand when the World Trade Centre went down. Maybe we ought to leave them buried and let the Sand People (Arabs) collect their heads, it seems some of them want to die.Others seem to hate themselves so much that they'd even slag their own religion off (christianity) before daring to challenge islam.Soon there will be thousands of terrorists heads and bodies buried in the sand of the arabian desert thanks to the coalition forces out there in the middle east fighting for a mostly ungrateful population.Sad huh?
It's so ironic though, that despite this we still never hear any muslims critisizing extremists or defending oppressed christians in majorly muslim countries. It's always the poor old , hard-done-to
muslims who are under oppression.
In keeping with the spirit of my previous post on this thread, we need to keep plugging away to try to get the major media involved in disseminating what we know.
Right now, WABC Radio (770 AM), New York City, is among the most listened to talk radio stations in the country. Though an AM station, it dominates the market of both AM and FM stations in the New York Metropolitan area. Their morning show Curtis & Kuby reaches hundreds of thousands of listeners every day.
One of the most popular features on the show is a segment they do every week called Mob Talk, where they discuss the Mafia. For whatever reason, they have a poll up on the web at http://www.wabcradio.com/ where you can vote whether or not you think they should continue this segment.
I urge you to go to the Web site, vote “no” in the poll, and then go to http://www.wabcradio.com/EmailAddresses.asp , select Curtis and Kuby in the dropdown for the “to:” section of the email, and tell them you would be more interested in having a segment dealing with Jihad, and/or and the War on Terror.
Tell them why you think that segment would be important, in your own words. Who knows, maybe this could be our chance to start getting the word out to a larger audience.
Thanks.
RS, you made a wonderfully astute and courageously true stand in face of Kristof's blabbernonsense. It seems to me the issue for Kristof and like subspecies is actually not what is in either the Bible or in the Koran or any book, but goes far deeper: INTO THE NONCOMPREHENSION OF TRUTH. Kristof and like subspecies are unable to see farther than their own vacuumed-out "brains", seeing with a total lack of reality. No doubt you're aware Kristof's argument in this case is as stupid as everything else he writes. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL WE HAVE BUILT INTO THE USA!!!!!!!
LilOleMiss
Bob Owens,
I've voted on the Radio Stations web page you dropped the link for. I think you may be onto something there. If anyone else votes try using the same tactic as me, declaring that a talk show about terrorism/jihad would boost their ratings because of the history between terrorism and New York city, and that such a talk show would be of more importance to the American public in general, as it poses far more of a threat than the Mafia has or does.
Good thinking Bob
Dear Robert Spencer, Please don't ever get discouraged at such rampant stupidity and ignorance. They will be kicked off the fence of illusion and suffer the terrible pain of reality when the jizzhadists attack again. As for the Old Testament, the reason that G-d had the children of Israel wipe out every man, woman, and child within certain cities is because of the pagan practice of child/infant sacrifice to their pagan god molech. This was and still is an abomination, which is why the muslims still practice it, ie: palastinians, suicide bombers, highjackers and the rest of the muslim cult of death.
One is reminded of the Maccabbi rebelion and the refusal to fight on the sabbath.
Posted by: chevalier de st george at July 21, 2004 11:12 PM
Last time I checked they won that fight??
I know nothing about the end days? I do know there is an enemy who want to kill all who don't believe as they do or have them as slaves and when you look at the countrys that have this mulsum rule you can't wear short skirts or drink wine that is enough for me to stand and Fight!!
If you don't fight it will be like WW2 and cattle cars full of dead and that is hell on earth!!
Is this not what is going on in Africa the people who have no weapons and will not fight are killed and drived from their lands?
That is enough for me!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen