Expect an outcry and a disavowal forthwith. From AFP, with thanks to Nicolei:
BRITAIN will deploy teams of intelligence officers and surveillance experts in cities where it is feared that extremists are radicalising Muslim youth, according to The Times.The internal security service, M15, would fan officers out from its London HQ in a bid to snuff out any incipient terrorist threats within urban Muslim communities, the paper said, citing "government sources".
It was hoped the scheme would greatly improve co-operation between special police services and counter-espionage officers, it reported.
Why are we allowing Muslim immigration? We let them in and then have to hire police to spy on them as they are a security threat. What kind of insane policy is this? It is like a farmer with a field full of sheep letting wolves in and then hiring people to keep the wolves from attacking the sheep. Western governments are completely out of their f'g minds!
Why are we allowing Muslim immigration? We let them in and then have to hire police to spy on them as they are a security threat. What kind of insane policy is this? It is like a farmer with a field full of sheep letting wolves in and then hiring people to keep the wolves from attacking the sheep. Western governments are completely out of their f'g minds!
I think these kind of surveilance activities have been going on in the U.K. all the time. The word SPY may evoke a different responce intead of the word INVESTIGATOR.
Maybe this term and language has been used deliberatly by Scotland Yard or MI 5 to make British Muslims feel weary about their Jihad activities.
There are new video clips at Memritv.org. Memritv - better than MTV.
/sarcasm on
There's nothing like hearing "Death to America" sung by a huge chorus first thing in the morning.
/sarcasm off
I sometimes hope that our (the wests) governments are just pretending to be so gullible and that they are actually 100% on the ball as far as muslim immigration is concerned. You know like maybe there is an unseen reason why so many rats are being allowed to infest our once beautiful and peaceful lands.Maybe they're letting them over here where they can keep an eye on them.Maybe they are putting spies who are actually hindus or sikhs (both races resemble pakistani,Afghan and Bangladeshi muslims) in among the muslims to spy on them and learn invaluable information, find out who the ring leaders are.Maybe the muslims over here are really peaceful and really are fleeing oppression?Maybe this?Maybe that?Maybe,maybe,maybe?
Maybe one day I'll be Prime Minister and have the power to round up every last muslim in the UK ,force them all onto a massive cargo ship and send them off into the Atlantic ocean with only enough fuel for them to reach halfway, at which point every last one of them will be faced with the grim options of either starving to death eating each other alive or trying to swim either back to Europe or to America, where they will almost certainly drowned.
Let us stay away from genocidal comments, shall we? I refuse to stoop to that level, and so should we all.
Thank you.
I dont think it will matter whether they call them spies or not....the fact is muslims do not want anyone looking into what they are doing in their mosques. If we knew the half of what was going on it would be very difficult for them to proclaim that the terrorism was "being carried out be a small minority and that the majority of muslims dont agree". Our ignorance is their greatest weapon against us, once the masses in the west are no longer ignorant to their agenda they have nothing.
Bob Owens,
What level? you mean the same level as islam? I'm a firm believer in fighting fire with fire and as we know genocide of all non-muslims is pretty much what islam is all about.
While I'm not specifically advocating genocide, you're kidding yourself if you don't believe that there will be plenty of it on all sides before the fight against islam is won definitively.
The West's fear and hatred of Islam and of individual Muslims is indeed amazing to behold. Why does Islam terrify you so? It is Allah's (swt) perfect system for governing every aspect of human life on Earth and in the afterlife to follow. Muslims are required to call all mankind to Islam, and they will continue to do so until the commands of Almighty Allah (swt) are fulfilled.
Do you really believe that childish spy games like those described in this posting will deter or delay the ultimate triumph of Islam? There are more than two million Muslims in Britain. Every Muslim is working for the establishment of the world-wide Islamic Caliphate and the replacement of corrupt, unjust, and false man-made laws and governments by Allah's divine Sharia. More Muslims in Britain attend Friday prayers at their mosques than Anglicans attend Sunday services at their churches.
Again and again you see incontravertible evidence that the long struggle is almost over. The last desperate gasps of Western "civilization" will soon cease.
Stop your futile warring against Almighty Allah (swt). Stop abusing and oppressing Muslims. Cease your unreasoning hatred and reach out to the light of the Merciful and Compassionate Creator (swt) of the universe. Embrace Islam now and know the peace and joy of living in submission to the commands of Almighty Allah (swt).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar
Even though you can't access it anymore, I'll still point out that Reza identifies herself in her email address as "rezareza666". Puts her comments in perspective, doesn't it?
I am not terrified by islam, not at all, just aware of what the agenda is. Who says I will have grandchildren anyhow, my children are not obligated to breed just because they can...unlike muslims.
"Every Muslim is working for the establishment of the world-wide Islamic Caliphate"
Posted by: Reza at July 12, 2004 11:46 AM
Sorry Reza, but like most of your statements, that's simply not true.
The Muslims I was teaching English too today have fled the ideals of your 'glorious' 'Caliphate'. They have sought refuge in my western country and are embracing the many good aspects of our culture.
Sleep peacefully tonight Reza knowing that I am introducing them to the light of Jesus Christ whilst also exposing to them the darkness of Islam.
They've come to my church and are now reading the Arabic Bible I bought for them.
"My Grandchildren will be missionaries in Muslim lands winning thousands for Christ"
"YahwehU Akbar"
Regards,
KC
Mr RezaSatanAhriman666: Khaak bar saret.
I've already heard about concessions being made to Muslims in the UK at the expense of others beliefs. Including the Christians, Jews, Parsis, and everyone else. Muslims deserve no special privileges, not after how they destroyed and continue to destroy the world.
Reza,
"Go away you foolish,gullible, creature.Your opinion doesn't matter because you're a muslim. Muslims shouldn't have any rights , they're too unimportant, and they are also inferior to all non-muslims."
That statement,like yours, is almost medieval in its morals. But it is a statement that would be common if all the world thought like you.However it is a statement that should be true because at the end of the day you and your kind don't even deserve to be recognized as part of the human race. Muslims are way beneath cockroaches, slugs ,pigs, vultures, and maggots .
Your grandchildren will think of Islam the way they will other failed beliefs like Catharism -- i.e. not at all.
Oh yeah Reza I almost forgot you inferior creature :
Allallallalla-long Allallallalla-long Allallallalla-long-long-li-long long long!!!!
Reza~ why should I be afraid of trash? In point of truth, I am Not.
I will speak out against your ilk just as I would have (and have) spoken out against the nazis, the National Alliance, Che Guevara (sp) and Michael Moore.
~All your toilets shall be set facing Mecca~
Gary,
...And as I would have spoken out against such cold-blooded ,murdering, swine as Hamas , the Taliban, Al qaeda..... Oh right!!!They're muslims too!!!
Residents of Western countries, immune or indifferent to appeals to study the actual tenets of Islam, and the record of Muslim treatment of non-Muslims under Muslim rule -- that is, Jihad and dhimmitude -- may find that something more immediate will have an impact on their thinking.
The cost of monitoring large Muslim populations, who have shown again and again no interest in demonstrating a clear break with the doctrine of Jihad, have refused, in some cases quite noisily, to offer demonstrations that, in word and deed, they are doing whatever they can to suppress the hostility inculcated by Islam against all non-Muslims, and to collaborate fully with the authorities in rooting out terrorists, those who support them, those who pay for them, those who give them moral support. It isn't happening.
And this cost includes the guards who must stand outside synagogues and churches, or surround power plants and nuclear plants, or guard government buildings and army bases and airports and bus terminals and railroad stations, and trains, and every stop on every subway, and Sunday schools, and Jewish schools, and Rose Bowls and Olympic competitions and baseball games, and basketball games, and college graduation ceremonies and....all of this, all of this, and not only the guards, but the whole apparatus of lawyers and judges, who must be paid for all the extra work, and all the rerouting of traffic, and all the measures which have had to be undertaken because of terrorism rooted in, prompted by, the tenets of Islam -- well, this must run into hundreds of billions of dollars all over the Western world.
The Muslim presence in the Lands of the Infidels makes our lives, whatever else one wishes to say, far more expensive, and dangerous, and generally unpleasant, than it would otherwise be. We Infidels are under no obligation to commit suicide, or to acquiesce in the nerveless idea that we must allow the continued increase in such a presence, or that we are not entitled to do whatever we deem necessary, through the law and through private acts (taking our custom elsewhere, for example), to discourage rather than encourage -- as some would have us, urging us to hew to some Family-of-Man-meets-Rodney-King view of the universe -- that presence.
It is unarguable that the lives of Infidels in their own countries are now much more expensive, unpleasant, and dangerous than they might otherwise be. There can hardly be a truth-telling Frenchman who would not, if he could turn back the clock, would never have allowed Muslim migration into France as it was so unthinkingly permitted; the same could be said for thinking Englishmen, Danes, Dutch, Italian, Spanish. Now that this is clear, the idiotic fear of offending Arab states -- why? they will still have to sell their oil, and there is nothing else we need from them, nor any reason why favors should be done for them any more than we must do favors for our local gas station owner, when we buy his gasoline -- must stop, the Jihad be recognized, and Muslim migration brought to a comlete halt. Those who argue that this is somehow wrong should be asked whether they expect us to deny in perpetuity the evidence of our senses, and our growing understanding of what Islam teaches, and how, through 1350 years of history, non-Muslims -- Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists -- under Muslim rule, and wherever Muslim rule now exists, still do, to lesser and greater extents.
Again and again you see incontravertible evidence that the long struggle is almost over. The last desperate gasps of Western "civilization" will soon cease.
Posted by: Reza at July 12, 2004 11:46 AM
Idiot Raisin, in the United States, you pigs make up less than 1% of the population. 82% are Christian, and 1% are Jewish. 13% are athiests, and the remainder are of other TRUE religions.
What do you slobs think you're going to take over? Little dumb Muslims in America. I see Muslims in stores and they won't even look me in the eye. I walk straight toward them and make them move. Gutless punks.
Keep spewing the trash you love to type on the "Watch", for the futility is among the illiterates.
Rikki,
As any brush firefighter will tell you, “fighting fire with fire” works only when the wind doesn’t shift. And shift it will when you start advocating their barbaric practices.
Find me one single instance where genocide is the correct response in any human endeavor. When I speak of refusing “to stoop to that level,” I mean that while I have every intention of promoting the prosecution of war against Islamic Jihad on legal, economic, military and cultural levels, I refuse to condone genocide.
Do you want to systematically round up and kill all Muslims, including women and children? Babies? Would you delight in tossing a Muslim infant into the air, and catching it on a bayonet? That is genocide. No worse than your comment about abandoning them to die at sea. To be fair, your suggestion, Rikki, is more repulsive. At least a child on a bayonet would die a relatively quick death measured in minutes compared to your barbaric suggestion of starvation over days or weeks.
We have the moral high ground. I will not cede it, and I for one refuse to fight ignorance with ignorance, inhumanity with inhumanity, and will not stand for those who do.
I know little of where you live, but I think there are still enough people in your country alive that could teach you something about the Holocaust. You seem not to notice you advocate no less than those same inhuman acts.
If this site devolves from a forum discussing vigilance, to a forum advocating its own forms of terrorism, I will be among the loudest voices advocating its termination.
One form of terrorism does not condone another. Have I made myself perfectly clear?
"They hate the United States, because they will never be the United States".
Paul Stanley KISS
Bob,
I certainly did not mean to offend you, and you have made yourself totally clear.I totally abhore terror and the people that commit acts of such.
This site will never become a kind of mirror image terror site it's run far too effectively for that. What I meant by "fighting fire with fire" was not that I am a terrorist who goes around bombing buildings , rounding up families and killing them. I meant in the context of verbally . For example : On this website we have people like Hugh who present an almost flawless and 100% accurate narrative of the effect Jihad, Dhimmitude, and Islam in general are having on this world albeit in great detail, with great amounts of study and intelligence injected into it. I sort of try to balance things out a little , as I always try to think of the audience of this site, sometimes I am thinking more of the radical islamists who may be hitting this site and wish to give them one clear message :"You may be walking all over my country and it's government but there are people in this country who are onto you; know what you are all about and will fight you to their last breath." I always try to be as rational as possible or turn my worry ,dismay and disgust of islam into a joke but there are days when I come to this site and I see such inhuman acts of violence, such unreasonal demands from western society and drainages from the results that my blood boils, anger takes over and I type without thinking,sometimes there are comments I wish I hadn't made but I'm afraid thats down to the Scottish ancestry in my genes.
As for the area I live in ,I'm in the country now , but I spent the first 18 years of my life in multi-cultural area of a city where I came into daily contact with the "mercy and compassion" of allah.I'm not getting into that now but trust me, my hatred for them doesn't come from nowhere.
Finally Bob, try visiting Al Muhajiroun, Believe me, Jihad/Dhimmi Watch are a billion miles away from becoming a anti-islamic answer to that site. Now that is a terrorist forum, and sometimes I aim to offend some of the sick puppies who comment there.This site needs a balance of the sane and insane just like that I guess that why Robert hasn't wiped out some of my crazier comment
PS-I have three children of my own so, I know what I said was far fetched of course a muslim would write simular or worse to that and mean it. If it was left to me I'd rescue all the muslim children and have them re-educated. As for the women of that "faith" I think most of them are just looking for a way out anyway.
I APOLOGISE DEEPLY IF I'VE OFFENDED YOU!!!
RIKKI
“Why does Islam terrify you so? It is Allah's (swt) perfect system for governing every aspect of human life on Earth and in the afterlife to follow.”
Reza,
This belief is the crux of western civilization’s problem with Islam. For almost 1,400 years, Muslims have been making the above claim, that Islam is a perfect system for this life and the next. While there are very few concrete details that allow us to objectively argue the latter on scientific basis, evidence abounds for the former, and it shows that you lie.
Blatantly.
Tell me Reza, what has Islam given to the world? Some societies can boast of advances in medicine, science, and mathematics. Other societies can proudly show their contributions in philosophy and literature.
But where is Islam? What has Islam given the world?
Poverty. Ignorance. Pestilence.
Repression. Mutilation. Murder.
Hardly the stuff of a “perfect system” for life on Earth. Islam fails to provide even its own sustenance, relying on the importation of food, leaching from more progressive and prosperous countries. Of course, leaching it what Mohammed did best.
Remember, Reza, that Mohammed never created anything. He was a desert raider. A thief. Too lazy to create his own wealth through hard work, he used thuggish tactics to steal the proceeds from others. We see the same from Islam with one massive glaring difference: while Mohammed had a military advantage in his time, Islam today decidedly does not.
Islam is like a grass fire. As it burns outward, consuming things around it, it leaves nothing but scorched earth where it has passed. Islamic countries of the Middle East are all burned out, and cannot feed themselves. As Islamic fire runs up against countries that refuse to burn and indeed effectively douse the flames, the very future of Islam hangs in doubt. Other cultures have collapsed within the length of one lifetime. I saw the Communist Bloc fall. I think I will live to see the failed culture of Islam finish collapsing as well.
Bob,
Above mistake: When I said "such unreasonable demands from western society" I actually meant unreasonable demands from islamic invaders on western society.
No offense taken, Rikki, I'm just releived that they haven't dragged you to their level.
While we're on the subject of spies and the monitoring of Muslims (badly needed), will someone please place their foot in President Bush's ass and tell him to stop referring to Islam as a "great religion"?
At one of his rallys, he stated that the terrorists have "hijacked a great religion". No, Mr. President, they are carrying out the commands of their unholy book of babble, the Qur'an.
Bob Owens, you're right, Mohammed was a desert raider, a dune buffoon.
ok this is OT
Hugh
recently while watching a documentary on lost books of the bible i noticed where some of the islamic stories that use biblical figures have come from. books like enoch the books on mary thomas and many others have the koranic biblical stories. also these books where widely used in what is now the islamic region during the time period of mohammed. these also are books that where rejected by european christendom prior to mohammeds birth. i'd like to hear your err read your take on this.
Mr. Owens:
Allah (swt) created mankind to worship and obey Him (swt). His final, unchanging, and complete instructions were communicated to His (swt) final Prophet (pbuh) and are set forth unerringly in the Holy Quran. All of your attacks on the supposed deficiencies of Islamic civilization are therefore quite irrelevant and merely a reflection of your obstinate refusal to bow to the will of Almighty Allah (swt). No doubt your errors will be explained to you in detail on judgement day.
As for witnessing the collapse of a "civilization", you are indeed witnessing the ever accelerating collapse of the West. That collapse is cronicled on this very site, as post after post describes another victory for Islam or another defeat for the West.
Time grows short. Embrace Islam now and experience the peace and joy of living as a willing slave to Almighty Allah (swt). The alternative is the Lake of Fire on judgement day.
You grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar
Allah (swt) created mankind to worship and obey Him (swt).
Posted by: Reza at July 12, 2004 02:33 PM
Raisin Dump, Allah, the false God that was dreamed up and then introduced by the drunken child molester Mohammed centuries after Christianity was already established, didn't create anything.
He's a black stone. Mohammed's pet rock. Since no one had ever heard of Allah until the 7th century, did he jump in a time machine and travel back in time in order to create mankind, hundreds of years before Mohammed created him in his psychotic mind?
Ooopsie, what am I thinking? Allah didn't need a time machine, he had a flying carpet. Everytime a Muslim or a Muslim poser opens their mouth, they make Islam look all that much more ridiculous.
OT - just some woolgathering.
Google "culture war" on the Google news site. That search turns up some interesting stuff.
Muslims often come on this site and announce that if everyone became Muslim and God's law was adopted then the world would be perfect. This view is very similar to the view of communists who often stated that perfection would result if their system was tried. However, we have empirical knowledge of what happened when both ideological systems were applied in the real world. Both ideological systems are simply radical utopian thinking which wants to impose their view of utopia on the world.
One columnist I was reading the other day was saying that one of the ideological weapons we can brandish in this war against Islam is that we must point out that virtuous behaviour which is imposed on people is not worth a whole lot.
Have you ever wondered why Muslims have such an innate sense of their own superiority when the evidence of their inferiority is all around them? The brainwashing that can create a psychology like that is remarkable. Of course, when you study the Qur'an and especially the Sharia, you realize that Islam is, above all, an enormously successful method of mind control. It really is just a personality cult like Jonestown that just has a large number of adherents.
Have you noticed that one of the central beliefs of Islam is that Jesus will return as a Muslim prophet. Muhammad was quite smart in his trying to incorporate into Islam elements of the pagan practices of the Arab tribes (i.e. the worshipping the black rock of the Kaaba, etc.)but also including elements of Christianity and Judaism. I wonder if he had lived long enough if he would have sought to include elements of Zoroastrianism, Bhuddism etc. The bottom line is that by incorporating all these elements of the different religions that were dominant during his time, he was quite strategic and smart in his religious thinking. Anyone who is thinking of starting their own religion would do well to study his example.
Despite my aversion to conspiracy theorizing, I must admit that I have this nagging feeling about the Muslim diaspora. Do any of you ever feel that it is somehow being directed and encouraged in an organized way? Are they just leaving their countries because their countries are cess pools? Or, are they leaving with a plan in mind?
Finally, on a happy note - one thing to be grateful for is that Muslims do not proselytize door to door like the Jehovah's Witness or the Mormons.
Mentat~ a little bit of both, methinks. Some guided, a 5th column into other nations, some, actual refugees from the totalitarianism of their religion. Those working their way in for a purpose probably are the much smaller group- but who among the muslim enclaves in our countries is going to turn them in?
Jim Jones? Reminds me *puts Cool-aid on the shopping list*
Here is an interesting article by a Muslim convert on how best to convert non-Muslims; we must study the tactics of the enemy. Know your enemy, I say.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/emerick5.htm
Building a Better Dawah Program
Muslims have perhaps the least organized community in the world, yet we are gaining converts faster than anyone else. But what if we were more organized? American convert Yahiya Emerick sets out a strategy to utilize our resources and build up the size and strength of the Muslim community.
"So brother," he asked me, "how did you become a Muslim?" Now this isn't a rare question for one who embraced Islam. In fact, it seems this was the most often asked question in my first two years of entering the faith. Alhumdulillah, "born" Muslims always have a keen interest in how others have found their way into the fold of Islam.
Partly this is a reaffirmation of their own identity, ("Hey, if others are choosing it then it must be good") and partly it is often an unusual phenomenon not seen in the countries from where the average Muslim came. ("Hey, converts are like aliens from outer space in my country.")
Whatever the motivation, I sometimes lament being the only convert in a crowd or at a meeting. I don't have any prejudicial feelings towards my fellow compatriots in the deen, I merely wish there were more people who accepted Islam around me so I could experience the feelings of reaffirmation and say, "Alhumdulillah" too.
It's really amazing when you think about it. We have perhaps the least organized community in the world- even the Hindus are more organized world-wide- yet we are gaining converts faster than anyone else. Some attribute this to the Mercy of Allah, others add that it is a testament to the truth of Islam.
But what if we were more organized? What if we had million dollar da'wah centers for the total work of spreading Islam? What if we rented out stadiums and did Billy Graham style conversion drives? What do you think? I tell you that in my gut I am convinced we would have so many converts that we would be surprised if we met someone who wasn't Muslim.
Islamic teachings beat Christian hodge-podge doctrines any day of the week. You and I know this. Hinduism, Bahaiism, Buddhism and the new age movement have nothing on us. They can't even touch our coat-tails. So how can we utilize our resources to rival everyone even further and build the size and strength of our community?
To begin with, we have to get our act together and organize national standards for da'wah workers, literature and programs. Let me illustrate why: Have you ever attended the following type of da'wah gathering? The mostly-Muslim audience shows up late, the speaker can't speak English right, the sound system squeals horribly, the refreshment table is filled with warm milk-tea and half-eaten doughnuts and the da'wah literature, if there is any, is poorly written gobbledygook which wouldn't convince a mouse that it likes cheese.
I'm sure you can relate to such experiences. For all the good intentions, the entire atmosphere was skewed. Non-Muslims, if they could read the hand-scrawled announcements taped on telephone poles, leave with the feeling that there's nothing for them here.
But what would national standards encompass? It's nearly impossible to get anyone, especially our leaders, to agree on anything. So to solve this problem, I'm going to pretend I have the ear of every Muslim in the country and I'm going to impose national standards right now. So listen up everyone and take notes!
First, nobody will be allowed to speak in front of non-Muslims, or Muslims for that matter, unless they can speak the language of the people clearly. We don't want any thick accents, no Englabic or Urdulish. Only clear, understandable English. No exceptions no matter how "big" the man is.
Second, the only topics that will be allowed in any gathering where non-Muslims are addressed will be limited to subjects about life, our purpose, Allah' guidance/forgiveness, the Qur'an and its role in life and the example of the Blessed Prophet. There will be no lectures on fiqh, politics, tassawuf, Unani healing or the psychothematic paradigms found in the writings of obscure Persian or Urdu poets. No exceptions no matter how "big" the money behind the event is.
Third, women will be allowed to address non-Muslim and Muslim audiences on any of the above approved topics with the addition of the role and rights of women in Islam. (Men will not be allowed to speak at length about this topic but can mention it. You figure out why.) Women will be allowed to decide what they wish to speak about and will be given authority in the planning and carrying out of the da'wah program. Women will appear in proper, fashionable hijab. Duppattas and circus tents need not apply.
Fourth, all programs will be planned well in advance. Sound systems will be checked and rechecked many times for quality reception. Reliable people will be assigned duties in advance and will be briefed many times as to their function. Ushers will be present (not eleven year olds) and the program will not exceed two hours. Everything will proceed on time and the program will begin on time no matter how many "big-shot" community members are late. (Remember: today's big-shots are tomorrow's people of the grave. Don't fear them or the money that is temporarily in their hands.)
Fifth, all children under twelve- and babies- will remain at home. The only exception to this rule is when on-site day-care is available. In such a case, under no circumstances will these children be allowed in the main program area.
Sixth, only da'wah materials approved by native-English speaking Muslims will be distributed. For a current list of approved da'wah literature, see the book, "How to Tell Others About Islam" available from most Islamic bookstores. If you don't have your materials read for accuracy and readability first, don't use them.
Seventh, no da'wah program or effort can be initiated unless the following three criteria are met: 1) good, friendly da'wah workers must be utilized. 2) A follow-up plan for interested prospects must be developed. 3) A mentor program linking converts with designated "mentor" families must be established.
Eighth, No door-to-door da'wah or street corner shouting will be allowed. We are not Jehovah's Witnesses nor do we want to be stigmatized as similar to them.
Ninth, all the latest techniques for mass-da'wah efforts must be studied and tested. Everything from mass-mailing, TV advertising, telethons, self-improvement seminar-type activities, videos, home-study courses, gimmicks, sloganeering, etc.. must be looked at in a specially created da'wah institute which will be established to facilitate the National Standards in Da'wah effort.
Finally, every Muslim and convert will be encouraged to move to areas where the majority of the population are Muslims. Islamic education programs for converts and youth must be established that are fun and interesting, and the community must make every effort to find the convert a job, if they need one, a good husband or wife, if they're single, and a recognized place in the life of the community.
There, I've done it. National Standards have been enumerated. Now if you don't wake up and take a good look at how you're spreading Islam (or trying to) then you'll still find a new convert as an unusual, special thing to be admired and praised. I would rather find converts as common as water, myself.
You notice how the writer recommends that "every Muslim and convert will be encouraged to move to areas where the majority of the population are Muslims." You can see this method in action in North America and elsewhere. These Da'wah tactics are actually in use.
You notice also how they will find you a job, find you a wife, give you a meaningful place in society - wow - one need never think for oneself again! Whoops! I guess that's the idea!
Mentat, that's quite alright. That way it'll be thaty much easier to surround them before we eliminate them. They're easier to spot and easier to hit if they're bunched together....In America, they will take over nothing.
bin Laden made sure of that for us, since now every one of them that insist on infesting our nation will be scrutinized, instead of just let in here. The immigration isn't a tool for their maniacal agenda anymore, and they can only dump out on of their kids a year.
They're less than 1% of our population. Although they do most of the whining, they're extremely small in number. They over exaggerate their population to make themselves look bigger, but we all know the truth. I'll say it again, Bush or whomever is President may ask for restraint on our part if there's another attack, but Muslims better be aware that there will be no restraint if we're attacked again.
Get ready to fight for your lives, the past three years have shown us that either all Muslims aere in on this, or they too spineless to stand up against it. Either way, they're not worthy of living here.
Reza,
You say these deficiencies of Islamic civilization I cite are “merely a reflection of my obstinate refusal to bow to his will?”
Then truly, I am powerful. My will is obviously stronger than his, for in squalor and ruin you live.
A rider I must be, one of four.
One simple being, and yet through my simple refusal of acceptance, I control and defile you through war and famine, plague and sword. I wish The Others to be successful, and so you suffer.
I and I alone am responsible for your illiteracy, your pestilence, your failure. Armed with a simple refusal, I cause your wars, your mutilations, your slavery, and your humiliation.
I AM DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS… clearly, I’ve got your little moon god trumped.
So who are you going to believe, Reza?
A failed “god” who wants you to believe the raw sewage you live in is the Fountain of Paradise, the being with the apparent power to decide such things?
As Allah has left you with nothing but fear and hate, I’d suggest you trust in me.
Pretty silly for me to say all that, isn’t it?
Yet my claims that I’m responsible for the state of Muslim countries is no more ridiculous as you claiming that these conditions don’t exist in them.
Ditto, your claim that the West is collapsing. The United States completely dominates two Muslim-dominated countries in the two fastest, most one-sided wars in recorded history. Jihadists are captured or killed faster than you can make new ones.
And you are winning? Right…
What’s the name of that river in Egypt?
sorry for the grammar folks, I wrote those quick...
If only Muslim immigrants would confine themselves to the Middle East, so much more peace and harmony could be experienced by all.
Reza, you muslim wannabe,
I will send you money so you can buy a book and educate yourself. The following are facts:
1) 1.2 billion mulsims, 18 MILLION Jews, the Jews have received more then 176 noble prizes, the muslims could not assemble the combined brainpower needed to receive more than 4. YES; FOUR. (1-Sadat not included, 1-arafat never included. Out of the 4, 2 lived in western nations. Where is the contibution?
2) In 2000 (before Harry Potter) Spain published more books than were published IN THE WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD IN THE LAST 1300 YEARS.
3) 48% of food muslims eat is donated by the USA. 42% of money to the arabs of Palestine is donated by the USA. Including both government and private, 68% of all money donated to the world and including muslim mouths, is donated by the USA.
Without the “immorally degenerate” western society, you muslims will be dead of starvation and self annihilation. So you can bitch and scream all you want, but in the end you need and are dependent on us corrupt infidels. On the other hand, we DO NOT NEED NOR CARE FOR YOU AND YOUR KIND.
A further note on this da'wah thing I posted. Notice how Emerick states that the topics have to be circumscribed to certain ones. It does take many brains to figure out why they would want to do this.
Secondly, notice how he refers to women:
women will be allowed to address non-Muslim and Muslim audiences on any of the above approved topics with the addition of the role and rights of women in Islam. (Men will not be allowed to speak at length about this topic but can mention it. You figure out why.) Women will be allowed to decide what they wish to speak about and will be given authority in the planning and carrying out of the da'wah program. Women will appear in proper, fashionable hijab. Duppattas and circus tents need not apply
"Women will be allowed ..." Obviously, if they were not addressing a Western audience of non-muslims, women would NOT be allowed to do ANYTHING. And men will not be allowed to talk about this topic. He says, "You figure out why." That would be almost amusing if it did not show how women are really treated behind closed doors in Muslim society.
Man o man. This cult is something else.
Hi everyone.A lively debate I see...Have been visiting El Margarine[Al Muhajiroun] site.Latest
wacko heading 'IS INCITING RELIGIOUS HATRED AN OBLIGATION? [for Muslims]. Reckon you will guess what the answer is -YES!!They also claim to be converting in HUGE numbers, all these websites do but there is little proof of this happening.Actually the reverse, more Muslims are converting to be Christians, Buddhists or Pagans or giving up on religion altogether.Despite being threatened with DEATH which as we all know, especially Reza, is the punishment for Apostacy.
Agree that the billions spent on security, monitoring etc is a sad reflection on the times we live in but short of mass deportation what can the authorities do??? At least we can educate others and expose this Killer Cult for what it is,
a festering sore on the face of Civilization.
The Emerick strategy for da'wa is very useful -- particularly the list of what he says can be discussed, and what cannot. Indeed, the more that strategy is dissected, and publicized, the better.
As to the question above about the various early Christian apocrypha and other texts as sources for Islamic borrowing, this is a matter that I dare not discuss; I don't know enough. There is a website devoted to Syriac and Aramaic studies; Ephraim the Syrian -- le pere Sirin -- who was prodigiously prolific -- keeps coming up. All one knows is that many stories from both Old and New Testaments are, in distorted fashion, carried into the Qur'an. There are those who think the Ur-Qur'an was written in Syro-Aramaic (Arabic was not a written language in then 7th adn 8th centuries), and was heavily Christian in content -- essentially designed to convert pagan Arabs. Then, over time, it was added to, changed, and eventually became the Qur'an which, with about 20% of its text incomprehensible to Arabic speakers (that is the 20% that Christoph Luxenberg is subjecting to philological examination and analysis), is the Qur'an known today. Others think that instead of beginning as a book designed to spread a form of Christianity to pagan Arabs, it may have been a version of Judaism.
Whatever the origins -- and if you are a Believer of course you reject these ideas, and will not even think of subjecting early Islam to the kind of historical treatment that both Christianity and Judaism, indeed all other religions, have been subject to, then none of this makes any sense -- it is not unsurprising that a belief-system that is being presented by conquerors of other people, people who are far more settled, advanced, and richer (the Christians and Jews of Mesopotamia, Syria, etc. in the seventh and eighth centuries), already contained many recognizable elements of familiar stories and doctrines. Far more appealing to those who have conquered and are now subjugating, to convince them that the new belief being offered them is, in fact, the uncreated and perfect version of that which they have received in an imperfect, and ungrateful way, through various kinds of stubbornness and refusal to accept the truth.
Hugh:
You are right about the things that Emerick does not want discussed. He says:
There will be no lectures on fiqh, politics, tassawuf, Unani healing or the psychothematic paradigms found in the writings of obscure Persian or Urdu poets.
No lectures on fiqh, that is an easy one. If there can be no lectures on fiqh (sacred law), that means the Sharia is not discussed, which would probably turn any non-Muslim off Islam.
No lectures on politics, that is another easy one. If the non-Muslim was told that the restoration of the Khilafa was the only political idea allowed, then they might run out of the room.
No lectures on tassawuf, after a little research, that is also an easy one because Tassawuf refers to Sufi beliefs which are anathema to Orthodox Sunnis of which Emerick is one.
No lectures on Unani herbal healing. Whoa! What the hell is that? Well, guess what, Muslims have their own peculiar system of herbal healing. Check it out.
http://www.unani.com/origins.htm
The psychothematic paradigm thing? Well, that is self-explanatory I think.
This Unani herbal healing thing - whoa nelly!
Wow, check out this comparison of Unani medicine with other types of medicine:
http://www.unani.com/comparison.htm
Unreal!
Nothing remarkable about news on the disposition of "agents" in muslim areas of Britain. It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. It's a government "leak". It wants to do well in a couple of elections this week. NuLabor has had to give up on the muslim vote - for military reasons. Now they're rooting for the white working-class awkward squad. And it won't work.
Better let Reza know. Sounds worried.
reza Borg Master said, “Again and again you see incontravertible evidence that the long struggle is almost over. The last desperate gasps of Western "civilization" will soon cease.
Stop your futile warring against Almighty Allah (sob). Stop abusing and oppressing Muslims. Cease your unreasoning hatred and reach out to the light of the Merciful and Compassionate Creator (sob) of the universe. Embrace Islam now and know the peace and joy of living in submission to the commands of Almighty Allah (sob).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbutt”
Hey reza, how’s it going. “Resistance is futile, you will become part of the Borg (swt)” LOL
I just love reading your crap. How long does it take for you to come up with this stuff? I am a bit of a writer myself, so tell me, do you have some standard lines and phrases that you just expand on, or do you have to start from scratch each time?
“Your grandchildren will be laughing at the Borg (swt)”
The Great Sheik Canuck (swt)
Reza,
Thanks for the negative comments, I now see that this again just displays how much you know.
Please accept Jesus christ into your life and stop following mohammed, who is not the way,the truth and the life.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life no one gets to the father except by him.
Reza time is going, if however you dont accept christ now and you die in your sins, coupled with the fact that if christ tarrries, then there will be no doubt, your grandchildren will be looking for the right way to God until they find christ.
God bless you as you think on this.....
"Have you noticed that one of the central beliefs of Islam is that Jesus will return as a Muslim prophet. Muhammad was quite smart in his trying to incorporate into Islam elements of the pagan practices of the Arab tribes (i.e. the worshipping the black rock of the Kaaba, etc.)but also including elements of Christianity and Judaism. I wonder if he had lived long enough if he would have sought to include elements of Zoroastrianism, Bhuddism etc. "
Muhammad did in fact borrow beliefs from Zoroastrianism, particularly eschatological beliefs. Keep in mind that Orthodox Judaism does not recognize a clear-cut afterlife (Heaven, Hell). Compare the crossing of the Chinvat bridge to Paradise in Zoroastrianism to the crossing of the bridge in Islam -- also to Paradise.
Compare the beliefs in the Final Judgement, Resurrection, and Renovation of the earth between the two religions. At the same time, keep in mind Zoroastrianism predates Islam by approximately 2000 years. When Muhammad and his thugs were just getting started the Persian Sassanian Empire had pushed its borders up against Arabia. It is now believed that some Arabs even converted to Zoroastrianism due to the close contact between the nations before the start of Islam.
Muhammad may have been b*tching "A Book! A Book! all the other peoples around us have a Holy Book and we have nothing! We need a Book!" (The Jewish people had the Torah and other writings, The Zoroastrians the Avesta, The Christian New Testament was finalized and approved of by Constantine), an illiterate desert thief who attempted to fabricate something and make it appear legitimate.
The fact remains that Islam still maintains its pagan rituals of the past, whether it's circling of the Ka'aba or throwing rocks at some carved "devil" in Mecca, and still remains exclusively an Arab religion with an Arab deity.
Reza,
You believe this??? You ever read it before???
‘Accordingly, we took him back to his mother, who asked, “What has brought you here, when you were so anxious that he should remain with you?” I replied, “Allah has caused my son to grow and I have done my duty, but I feared that something might befall him and therefore I have brought him back to you as you desired.” She said, “Such is not the case! Tell me the truth about it.” And she would not let me alone until I had told her everything. Then she asked, “Are you afraid that he is possessed by Satan?” and I replied, “Yes.” She said, “No, by Allah! Satan has no access to him, because something great is the matter with my son. Shall I tell you about it? While I was pregnant with him, I saw a light issuing from me and, by Allah, I could not have had a pregnancy which was easier or lighter than this. When he was born, he placed his hands on the ground and raised his head to heaven. Do not trouble yourself about him, and return home.” ‘
Later, the apostle of Allah himself described what had happened. ‘Whilst I and my milk‑brother were pasturing some animals in the rear of our house, two men came to us dressed in white garments and bearing a golden platter full of snow. They took hold of me, opened my belly, extracted my heart, split it open and took out of it a black lump of blood which they threw away. Then they washed my heart and belly with snow, until they had purified them. Then one of them said to his companion, “Weigh him against one hundred of his people.” And he weighed me with them, but I proved heavier than they. Then he said, “Weigh him with one thousand of his people.” This he also did, and I was again found more heavy. After that he said, “Leave him; for if you were to weigh him against his whole nation, he would outweigh it.” ‘ Later, the apostle of Allah was in the habit of saying that there was not a prophet who had not pastured sheep.
Does it snow in Arabia??
Blah, Blah, Blah.........Reza girl, you can kiss my ass. I have read you koran and it's pure junk.
Does the sun still set in a murky pond? Get real.You belong to Satan (moon god allah) and you and your grandchildren will burn in HELL.
Muhammad borrowed from many religions, all as part his unfortunately successful attempt to validate a false religion for the Arabian pagan tribesman.
It is not surprise to me that he was attracted to many of the stories now only available in printed versions of the "lost books" of the Bible like the Apocrypha. Muhammad seemed unusually interested in stories of angels and these appear very frequently in many of the stories that were forced out of the mainstream text.
Islam is an utter lie, put upon us all by a narcisstic madman and now in the 21st century it looks as if we are all about to reap the "rewards" of his false cult.
This is doubly ironic when you consider that by most accounts available in library texts that contend Islam is a "religion of peace" and the usual hogwash, Muhammad was viewed as the most piously honest of men. How mad he must have been then -- perhaps actually believing his own fabrications and this helped further his delusions in the minds of others, much as Hitler's twiseted narcissism worked upon segments of Germany.
Muslim apostates like Ali Sina have it correct: Islam should be shamed into submission. It is beyond high time that Westerners ceased fearing open discussion of the true origins of Islam and the crimes of its false prophet. Muslims will probably never successfully reform except at the point of a gun and that will hardly work either other than delaying the inevitable and bloody conclusion. Force them to see the lie and they may be shamed enough to surrender to the truth and start turning their knives on the evil clergy that enslave them.
Reza,
Please treat the following as a real question for information on your viewpoint; not as an attack.
1) Why would Allah create man to worship and obey him? Because he was bored? Really....why?
2)If Allah did create man to worship and obey him
then why doesn't man worship and obey him. What is the purpose of free will to disobey when that defeats Allah's purported motive?
Intersting how Paul, when hauled before the Roman governor of Judaea, declares how the things done among the Christians were plain and open to anyone who cared to know. In contrast, Islam needs police surveillance.
I think I'm going to stop taking "Reza" seriously, too. His e-mail address suggests a college kid with a smattering of religious studies who's trying to rile us.
Jimmy the Claw: The Gospel of Thomas and Protevangelium of James weren't accepted by Middle Eastern Christianity, either. They've has to be dug out of dusty, neglected corners of monastery libraries or trash heaps where dry desert keeps stuff from rotting. The Old Mesopotamian churches even retained doubts about Revelation, 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, and Jude, keeping only the 4 Gospels, Acts, Letters of Paul, Hebrews, I Peter, James, and I John as "unquestionable" in their NT. When Coptic Thomas and the Protevangelion of James rolled around in later centuries (between 3d and 5th), they were treated as pious fables at best,trash at worst, and recorded folklore for a middling position.
It took a gullible character like Muhammad to elevate the follies of such works to the level of revelation--and further gullible dupes like the producers ar PBS, etc., to fall for such junk, too. Then again, I was pretty gullible to think that someone who puts 666 in his e-mail is serious.
Reza, let's call it pax. Come to Taiwan and together we'll enjoy an excellent meal of simmered pork shoulder with bamboo shoots. It's one of the best dishes concocted by man; and we'll was it down with the local beer. The local pork sausage is excellent, too.
Hi Reza 666:
Well as a born infidel, I really would like to know better about the religion of Prophet Muhammad(saw).
Who knows someday I'd be a believer and you can claim your reward in heaven. I have some questions that need to be clarify:
1. According to Muhammad he's only a messenger of God just like Noah, Jonah, Moses, etc. But why oh why Muhammad called God "Allah"???? I've studied the Jewish's Talmud and Christian's New testament never once in their books they refer God as "Allah". In those books, God also known as Yahwe, Jehova & Heavenly Father.
How on earth Muhammad have the idea to called God Allah?
2. Why Islam use crescent moon and star as a symbol? Never in the Talmud or Bible, God symbolized himself as crescent moon and star?
3. If Muhammad claimed that Ka'baah (The black stone) was built by Adam soon after he was cast out from Paradise why oh why it never mention in the Jewish & Christian scripture???
4. Islam claimed that Muhammad was the last prophet of the Abrahamaic religion, strangely never in the bible inform us that there going to be an Arab Prophet.
5. Why Muslims pray facing Mecca, according to the Talmud & Bible the promise land is in Canaan (nowadays Israel).
Well Reza, I actually have more questions need to be clarify. But if you can convincingly answer me those 5 vital ones, I'll promise I'll go to the airport and book my pilgrimage to Mecca.
PS: Don't give me the crap answer like "Ohh..The Jewish & Christian's scripture was corrupted &
changed" Okay?
"....666...the number of the beast..."
Number of the beast, Iron Maiden
This is a crazy world. A billion idiots follow a psychopath who tells them kill everyone else to please your god and the rest of idiots say nothing. They rather strive to protect the rights of those first idiots to hold fast unto their murderous belief, while secretly hope that they do not really mean it and would not act upon their belief. Where is mankind’s sanity?
For the sake of sanity. Muhammad was not a prophet. He was not a great man. He was a monster, much worse than Hitler, Stalin, Gengeez Khan or Saddam. Let us stop this lie. Let us be truthful to our selves and end this madness. How many more people should be killed before you come to your senses and call a spade a spade? Would it be okay if next time, become the turn of your daughter, son, brother or mother? Would that wake you up?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40712.htm
An interesting article, hutchrun, but one should also be wary: not all Pagan beliefs are necessarily or automatically false beliefs. Pagan astronomers for instance were very often quite advanced and quite correct -- so who are we to judge that some of their spiritual beliefs might not actually hold more water than we care o imagine?
I am one of those persons that believes it best to keep a window to the mind open at all times.
I wonder how fast Raisin can run the 100.....
Unless he can clear about 3250 feet-per-second, does it really matter?
There you go again, Bob, the voice of reason. LOL.....I was just wondering what he'd end up with limb wise after a session with one of our Daisy Cutters.....
Limb wise?
Well, part of him would fertilize the limb of a maple, and another part would fertilize the limb of an oak, though the bulk would probably fertilize various species of grass...
Yes......I can live with that.
Kepha1 said, “Reza, let's call it pax. Come to Taiwan and together we'll enjoy an excellent meal of simmered pork shoulder with bamboo shoots. It's one of the best dishes concocted by man; and we'll was it down with the local beer. The local pork sausage is excellent, too.”
Hey! How come reza Borg Master gets an invite for pork shoulder and beer??? I love pork and beer.
“Your grandchildren will be eating pork and laughing about islam (the Borg (swt))”
The Great Sheik Canuck (swt)