A French Muslim family takes path to militancy

From the New York Times via the IHT, an eye-opening look at how one family moved from "moderate" to "radical" Islam. (Thanks to all who sent me this link.)

When Chellali Benchellali moved to France 41 years ago, his path seemed clear enough. Escaping the misery of his native Algeria, he hoped to get a job, marry, raise a family and blend into the French melting pot.

He got part way there. But for the last six months, Benchellali has been in a high-security French prison, along with his wife and two of his sons, all accused of helping to plot a Qaeda-style chemical attack in Europe. A third son has just been released from the U.S. detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, one of four Frenchmen handed over to the French authorities last week.

The family's journey from yearning immigrants to alleged Islamic militants - accused of harboring a makeshift laboratory in their suburban Lyon apartment where one son was said to have been trying to make biological and chemical bombs - is an extreme but still emblematic manifestation of a quiet crisis spreading through Europe's growing Arab underclass.

Such dramatic deviations are rare, but they point to a dangerous ideological drift in many of the Continent's immigrant neighborhoods, a drift that is stigmatizing Muslims, alarming antiterrorism officials and shaping government policies....

... as the 1960s economic boom ended and Benchellali's finances faltered, his Muslim faith increased, neighbors say. He brought his wife, a nonpracticing Muslim, to religion....

In 1993, Benchellali began raising money and traveling to Bosnia to distribute food and clothing to besieged Muslims.

On his fifth trip there, Croatian soldiers seized him and two other men from Venissieux and held them in brutal conditions for five months. He returned with even stronger religious convictions and began preaching in the ground-floor activity room of his apartment block, which became known as the Abu Bakr mosque. His sermons took on an increasingly radical tone.

Menad, the oldest boy, received a certificate in electronics from a vocational high school in 1991. By all accounts he was dominated by his father and took a job washing windows for the same cleaning company. His father's Bosnian ordeal and growing radicalization clearly had an effect on him, his mother and friends in the neighborhood said.

By the mid-1990s, with a civil war in full swing in Algeria, supporters of the violent Armed Islamic Group carried the battle to the Continent. The police say the Abu Bakr mosque became an occasional halfway house for members of the group passing through France.

Menad had quit his job by then and was dismissed from a string of others. In 1995, he left for Syria to study Arabic and the Koran. He spent several months in Sudan, where the Al Qaeda network was coalescing. He returned to Venissieux in 1996 a bearded fundamentalist.

After Menad's return, his father took a second wife, illegal in France but permitted by Islam. The marriage caused a rift between Benchellali and his children, particularly Menad. Then Menad's own marriage, to the daughter of one of the men with whom Benchellali had been imprisoned in Bosnia, fell apart.

"It was at this time that he became more radical," Hafsa Benchellali told the police. Menad's brother Hafed told investigators: "I think we need to educate people, and in that way we can install the Sharia," speaking of the Islamic legal code. "But Menad believes it should be done by force."

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Nothing in this article surprises me.

Wow. Hey. It must be just like flipping a switch for a radical Imam to get hold of a "moderate" and generate a new recruit. Freaky, almost like a bad science fiction movie.

Too bad we can't do the same thing with an apathetic, beer guzzling, sports watching, American and turn him into a defender of western civilization.

What's the lesson? Don't let these people settle in your land!

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Wake up America.

A moderate muslim can turn radical at any time. Any life crisis can trigger it.
BAN ISLAM.

The reaction of you people to this sad story is just what I have learned to expect. Here is a man who left his native land in search of a better future for himself and his family (a story very much like that of millions of immigrants to America). In France, he was no doubt treated as a despised foreigner and subjected to racist abuse and religious bigotry, forced to abase himself before the lowest levels of French society in order to survive.

When his adopted country refused to provide decent employment for this man, he probably lived in great deprivation and poverty, all the while being reviled as a "nigger" and a "dirty Muslim".

When he attempted to engage in charitable work, bringing food and clothing to the cruely oppressed Muslims in Bosnia, who were the object of genocidal assults by Christian Serbs and Croats, he was imprisoned, abused, and cruely tortured by the Roman Catholic Croatians.

As a result of this miserable treatment, the man and his son took refuge in their Islamic faith. For this, they are now persecuted as "terrorists".

Yes, this evil family of Muslims definitely deserves the opobrium of all you racists and religious bigots. Rest assured, however, that you and your ilk will answer to Almighty Allah (swt) for your crimes.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

This "poor man" couldnt even follow the laws of his so called "adopted country"...he took a second wife EVEN THOUGH IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN FRANCE BUT PERMITTED BY ISLAM TO DO SO, no matter what faith you want to practice you MUST follow the law of the land first and foremost, especially this "poor man" who CHOSE his country, if he thinks that man made law doesnt pertain to him then stay in an islamic country governed by islamic law...so much for his respect of his "adopted land" Why should law abiding citizens show him any respect...respect isnt handed out, its earned.

Gee RezaReza,
Why did this poor man have to seek a better life? I thought everything was perfect in Islamastan! I guess he went to the wrong country No, I guess he immigrated to Dar-al-habr. Big mistake! What could any of the infidel countries have that Allah would want? Freedom? He should have left his oppressive religion/cult behind. Or could he?

Hey Canucks-
I just ate some blueberries from B.C. XLNT.
Thanks! Try some of our red hot chili peppers!

The Muslims in the Balkins have non-Muslim blood on their hands and the hands of their ancestors thus creating this hostile situation having sided with the Nazis and originating from and aiding the aggression and occupation by the Ottoman Turk expansion participating in the oppression of non-Muslims and commiting atrocities and genocide of non-Muslims. Non-muslims do not react in a vacuum--for "racist" reasons, but respond to the acts of aggression and genocide against non-Muslims and occupation of the lands of non-Muslims that began with the founder of the cult of Islam and continues to this day.

As a result of this miserable treatment, the man and his son took refuge in their Islamic faith.

harboring a makeshift laboratory in their suburban Lyon apartment where one son was said to have been trying to make biological and chemical bombs -

THINK

To human eyes, blood appears "black" in the MOONlight

I read this yesterday in the Herald Tribune.

If I understand Father moves from Algeria to the land of the infidel, has a job, several in fact, looses them and then because of this turns to hate the society he came to. His kids, well, one wants to impose Islam by force, the other by persuasion.......what happened to the Third way?

OK, I live in a foreign country ( I do actually) and actually I DID for 18 months have no work. I however do not remember looking to a radicalized version of religion to deal with the problem.... oh yes and also he took another wife to help sooth his pain.....if I understand, a man has to prove his standing (wealth) to be able to talk extra wives in Islam....where is this window cleaner's money coming from?

What concerns me is the underlying narrative that it is "France's fault" that he became radical. It is always someone elses fault, never their own. When did Whitey become responsible for all the Muslim world's ills?

I read this yesterday in the Herald Tribune.

If I understand Father moves from Algeria to the land of the infidel, has a job, several in fact, looses them and then because of this turns to hate the society he came to. His kids, well, one wants to impose Islam by force, the other by persuasion.......what happened to the Third way?

OK, I live in a foreign country ( I do actually) and actually I DID for 18 months have no work. I however do not remember looking to a radicalized version of religion to deal with the problem.... oh yes and also he took another wife to help sooth his pain.....if I understand, a man has to prove his standing (wealth) to be able to talk extra wives in Islam....where is this window cleaner's money coming from?

What concerns me is the underlying narrative that it is "France's fault" that he became radical. It is always someone elses fault, never their own. When did Whitey become responsible for all the Muslim world's ills?

Typical arrogant, whining, victimcrat mindset of a Muslim, as demonstrated by the people in this article and by our resident victim, Reza. Blame others when you hit a rocky patch in the road of life. Turn radical and start plotting the death of others. Yeah, makes sense. That's what you do when you have problems. Blame and hit out. Like a mentally retarded child.

My parents arrived in Australia in the late 50's. You want a tough life? They arrived with one suitcase each and about $20. Australians weren't all that welcoming in those days. You should hear some of the stories my parents have told me, of the names they got called, of the mistreatment they had to put up. Not from all Australians, but from enough of them to make their lives hell sometimes. But they worked hard at whatever job they could find, travelling across the country a few times to work at what was available - picking fruit, camp cook, office/house cleaning, house painting, etc., while learning a trade by night. They didn't expect anyone to "provide them with decent employment", nor did they blame others when they hit rocky patches in the road either. There was no welfare in those days. No disability payments. You only had as many kids as you could support. Tens of thousands of people from all sorts of countries came and helped build the country. To Australia, to Canada, to the US, etc. What valuable assets they turned into.

What a difference to today. And this whining bunch of malcontents and subversives we're getting now, with their hands out, their noses in the air, and their lies and plots. Immigration policies today are based on the people we got yesteryear. The policies need to be modiifed to take into account the type we're getting today. Australia used to have a White Australia Policy which was thankfully abolished decades ago. Perhaps now is the time for a Non-Muslim Policy. For all Western countries.

Oh Reza you bring joy to my day after the traffic jam on the way to work.

You say his adopted country should provide him with work? Why???? My own country is not obliged to provide me with work, I do not expect this , why should he? Maybe he was no good, did you think of that??? Why should a Muslim have a right to employment in a country that they move to BECAUSE THE PERFECT MUSLIM STATE THEY LEFT FAILED THEM? If the Islamic society you wish for is so good, why did he run? There is white trash as well as trash of every colour or creed. Not everyone is a hard luck story. Some people get exactly the life they deserve. And Reza, in France he will have been entitled to state benefit…..on a scale I would like to see you match in your Islamic Nirvana.

As for the charitable work, yes Reza, kill non Muslims; yes I see your version of charitable work...... I wonder what your view of that little but of naughtiness in Darfur is? Do you describe the work of the Arab militia as “Charitable work”? No doubt you can turn a blind eye when Muslims kill other Muslims because of ………oh!….oh…..oh…….racism.

"In France he was no doubt treated as a despised foreigner"... Reza, you would be taken more seriously if you would stick to fact and not invent such gibberish. You have absolutely no proff upon which to base such a statement, nothing in fact except for your own racist views. You have every right to comment here and in fact I know your views are of interest to many, but please leave the propaganda out. Reza, if you wish to see real hate of foreigners just look to your own Muslim lands... Bombs outside churches in Iraq.... Beheaded infidels in Saudi.... yes on the other hand, I suppose YOU can equate discrimination in the work place with beheadings and the slitting someone’s throat.

By the way Reza, I live also I a foreign country and I would say that the locals are pretty racist and ignorant….and I was without work for 18months but that gives me no basis for radicalism, certainly no basis for wishing death on others.

You fail to mention the son’s chemistry set…small omission??? You could have had one hell of a job writing for Pravda!

Reza... grow up! You writings are those of a petulant child. Write about problems and worries but write about a shared solution, use your intellect to solve problems and do not blame others for the fear and hatred, which pervades Medieval Islam. If the West is soooooo bad and racist… how come the West is providing shelter to refugees from your perfect Muslim World? Giving them money and housing? Hmmm bad West indeed!


Reza, in respect of anyone being a racist, It takes one to know one………..

Reza's thinking is the classical rationale of Arabs and Mulsims in general...you cannot reason with it,a distorted mindset like theirs needs years of "deprogramming".

This is why the future looks dim......for them.

I'd like to say a big hello to Lomandra from the Atheist/Agnostic forum.

She said that she would come here to have a look, and then later tell me what she thought of it.
If your interested in the threads talking about Islam over there, then you might be interested in going to http://forum.about.com/ab-atheism/messages29316.190

Unfortunately I didn't post the right thread to go there. Sorry about that.

REZA OUR RESIDENT MOONBAT
So you've left your dark lair where you've been hanging upside down reciting Koranic verses...
Notice you have nothing to say about bombing of churches -well- Islam is such a peaceful and tolerant religion as we all know.
Of course this story of poor, misunderstood immigrants tears at the heartstrings and has all the ingredients of a soap opera. A Muslim Soap Opera except Sharia is against music and all forms
of entertainment, Gee,sure is a Religion to fill one with Joy.If Mr Benchellali had been in Algeria
he wouldn't have received anything, French gave him a Disability Pension.Daresay they would have retrained him if he'd been interested; what about his wife she could have worked??Understand they had 6 kids, so they'd be getting a whopping family
benefit - French are generous re: childcare.As for
dabbling with highly inflammable chemicals in an
appartment block Menad desrves 10yrs Jail for that
alone -hundreds of people could have been killed.
Remember Reza,NOT TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU
BECAUSE IT MIGHT STOP FEEDING YOU.By the way you can tell this to all the other Muslim Leeches and
Bloodsuckers.

Again Rezy seems to be missing the Elephant in the room.... This man LEFT a Islamic country to seek a BETTER Life elsewhere...Hint? If indeed Allah is in control of everything as the Quran teaches...and If indeed Allah loves only Muslims, as the Quran teaches, then WHY would any Muslims have to come to the land of the Infidels to seek a better life?

Dear Rezy, at some point you are going to have to come out of your delusions about Islam and face the historical and present time FACTS. GO and ask this god you serve WHY? Why are Muslims suffering in countries that worship and honor allah? If Sharia law is so great. Why aren't people pouring INTO these countries instead of OUT of them?

Just cut the crap Rezy and ask the REAL questions....Why would ANY god create 6 billion people only to have to destroy at least 5 billion that reject Him? Seems like a really sadistic god to me Rezy...

Face another fact Rezy, Your children and grandchildren will lay their lives at the foot of the Cross of Christ and they will PREACH JESUS to the lost and dying Muslims (Who knows they may aready have done so! Hee Hee hee )

The borderline between "moderate" and "radical" muslims is so fine it's almost invisable. It just proves (AGAIN) that these people just can't be trusted in our countries.We are at war with them for christs sake, when are the rest of the world going to acknowledge that?
Did we allow mass immigration of the Nazis in World War II?NO! Or how about letting in argentines during the Falklands conflict? NO!!! So where, oh , where is the god-forsaken sense in allowing abso-shitting-lutely thousands upon thousands of these parasitic lowlifes, pile into our countries relentlessly in uncontained numbers???

While I'm here:
Reza, thanks for that Londonistan (from al muhajiroun )link on last weeks "Iraqi Sheikh.." thread . Never I have had such an easy time convincing more and more people everyday what the muslims agenda is. I've even managed to crack some nuts I previously thought un-crackable, with the help of your link.
Reza ,truely, you are your own worst enemy and the enemy of islam itself, Allah's gonna be really pissed at you now bitch (no virgins for you).

All Muslims can be radicalized in the blink of an eye or at the issue of a fatwa. Reza, I use your comments as tool to help convince people of the evils of Islam. Keep up the good work. I need the material.

Reza,

My dear Islamic friend. I must admit that after months of being a moderate, that your constant droning posts along with the content of this article, has finally made me a convert.

As you well know, I've always held that we are fighting radical Islam, and that most Muslims are probably paying lip service to their religion. I always thought that these moderate Muslims were not a threat. Thank you for finally opening my eyes.

There is still a moderate element to Islam, but they are much easier to turn radical than I first thought. Perhaps Islam is not worthy of trying to reform after all. I am still not on the "deport them all and destroy their religion utterly" bandwagon, but I'm now ready for the first time to at least consider that Ann Coulter may have been right in her famous September 12, 2001 comment.

You should be proud Resa. Very proud.

Even though you can't access it anymore, I'll still point out that Reza identifies herself in her email address as "rezareza666". Puts her comments in perspective, doesn't it?

It seems that rezareza666's has finally realized the spectacular failure of her pathetic attempts at da'wa and now just comes here to rant. How she has debased herself! How she has sunk to the level of the infidels, putting herself and her fellow cultists on the defensive!

Bob O:

Welcome, convert.

I'll be awaitin' fer ya on that bandwagon . . .

I'll second that Bob, but can I first just say that I've been on the "deport them all and destroy their religion utterly" bandwagon, it's just that Reza's convinced me that totally, completely and beyond any shadow of a doubt is that the right way to be thinking (before you get mad Bob, remember our genocide discussion a while back?Wink!Wink!).

Typo Above- it's supposed to be:
I've always been on the "deport them all and destroy their religion utterly" bandwagon.

Full of mishaps today folks.

western countries are blind: they're pathetic

they let the enemy in thru the front door.

they are committing a slow but sure suicide unless
they reverse their way of thinking.

Reza:

A family flees a muslim pesthole for a better life in another country, France for example. They then reward those who gave them shelter, education, medical care, old age pensions and other benefits by trying to convert that refuge into another muslim pesthole.

What does this say about Islam?

It is true that when last in Paris I often heard Arabs referred to as "sals etrangers" and
"Bande de sals arabs de merde enculer de fils de pute," but it is stories like the above, and your petulent obtuseness, that make me opine that, however crude, such epithets are not entirely without merit.

YOUR grandchildren will conceal their islamic origins to avoid the shame.

Yes, this evil family of Muslims

Posted by: Reza at August 2, 2004 11:13 PM


WOW reza you stupid woman have you seen the light or are you still worshiping the god of darknes the one who has only hell and death ! yes what about all the mulsums your mo-ham-od said were going to hell there was no more room in heaven because there is no more room and what about that there is no hope or making good deads will get you there? Your fate is hell better change your god if you do not what the fate of hell!!

Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

PS

Or will you run like all the mulsum countrys do run little terrorist we will sick the dogs on you!!

Posted by: Daniel Dravot at August 3, 2004 03:57 PM


screwed sons of whores

Maybe there is hope for the French after all!!


Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen

Hello Daniel Dravot:

I found a picture of you and some of your "Islamic" friends: http://www.allstarz.org/~seanconnery/king12.jpg

Best Regards,
Peachy Carnahan

USAgirl said: "...respect isnt handed out, its earned."

Agreed.. However, the only thing a muslim knows about respect is how to demand it.. due to their superiority to the Infidel in every way..

Oh.. And Bob Owens? Welcome aboard.. I've been on this bandwagon for so long (well before 9-11) that my ass has actually worn down part of the plank where I'm sitting..

Lets see...some half baked, half witted, moron with poor personal and dental hygene who is likely married to his 4 first cousins, who runs around in his pj's all day banging his head off the floor 5 times a day because a loudspeaker tells him to...is superior to me?....guess they got me there :p







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