The obligatory "they were soft-spoken, peaceful, religious men" story is in the New York Times for the Albany imam and other Muslim leader who were just arrested.
The two men who were arrested were described by friends and acquaintances as hard-working, peaceful men devoted to their families and religion.Mr. Aref, a Kurd from northern Iraq, was the imam of the mosque. He lived in a ramshackle wood-frame house next to a vacant lot with his wife and three young children. He had a job driving for a local ambulance company, taught children at the mosque and, last year, took a group of children to an amusement park, friends said.
As Mr. Aref's children played on the stoop of their house on Thursday, Arif Khan, a friend of the family's, said they were driven from Iraq by Saddam Hussein about four years ago.
"He was harassed by Saddam,'' said Mr. Khan, who called the government's charges, "totally fake."
Just a couple of the mistaken assumptions here:
1. Being harassed by Saddam doesn't automatically mean that you are on the side of the angels. Endeavoring to keep them from toppling his relatively secular regime, Saddam harassed radical Muslims as indefatigably as he did the Kurds and others.
2. There is no reason why a man who devotes himself to the study of the Islamic religion, even a quiet, nice man, could not or would not have gotten involved in terrorist activities. Global jihadists can and do point to numerous passages of the Qur'an and Sunna to justify their actions. The imam of Albany's mosque was no doubt familiar with these passages.
At the court hearing, the wives of both men wept and hugged each other as United States marshals led their husbands away. One acquaintance there, Sajid Ahmed, a 32-year-old native of India, said the idea of Mr. Hossain being involved in an anti-American terrorist plot seemed incredible. Not only was he often heard saying that he loved America, he said, but he was well known for giving pizza to the poor."It was very surprising to me,'' Mr. Ahmed said. "I think they were being nice to some other people and they got entrapped in this case."
Yes, I often demonstrate kindness to strangers by helping them obtain surface-to-air missiles.
They all must read from the chapter in the Jihadist manual pertaining to capture or arrest. It seems that all are "peaceful and non-violent," and were "unfairly targeted," and/or, as in this case, "entrapped."
This is repetitive- All the neighbors say they're decent, Allah fearing people. All the neighbors are also Muslims, which means they can and will lie for their Cult brothers.
Boo Hoo Hoo, the wives cried, because now they can't take daily beatings from these two criminals. They can't be raped by the brothers of these two criminals, and they're lives have been chenged forever.
What these two should do is take off those hot, sweaty, brutal hijabs, shower up, doll themselves up, get a sitter, and hit the club scene. Ladies, quit the blood-clot crying, now's your chance at a normal life, true life in the West.....Seize it baby!
"Yes, I often demonstrate kindness to strangers by helping them obtain surface-to-air missiles."
Well, heck, yes, Robert. Me too. I can't tell you the number of times that I helped strangers buy AK-47s, C-4, grenades, hand guns, machine guns, etc.. Well, to not help my neighbors in this way, well, it just wouldn't be neighborly doncha know?
"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood ... won't you be my neighbor?"
If I remember correctly - all 19 of the hijackers were without exception described as quiet, peaceful, religious boys that would never harm anyone.........................fool me once, shame on you, foll me twice, shame on me.
People simply don't know enough about islam. Anybody claiming that these guys were 'good neighbors' is foolishly taking the facade as truth.
If you want a real dose of abject ignorance, check out the comments page at BBC online - especially the Sadr and Guantanamo comments:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/default.stm
DC Watson,
ROTFLMAO on your post...good one.
you get the drisnya of the day award.....
Read in Al Quaeda training Manuals that'husbands are not allowed to tell their wives about Jihad'
so maybe wives really don't know!! After all Muslim wives spend most of their time segregated
from their husbands in accordance with wishes of Allah and his crazy pedophile Prophet. Am not surprised to find Aref is a Kurd because Ansar al-Islam operate in that region funded by Iranian Mullahs. However majority of Kurds DON'T support
this fundamentalist terrorist org. and are their victims. Aref and his fellow terrorists deserve
everything they are going to get. As for 'quiet, religious, blah, blah...same is said of other Islamic Terrorists in all parts of the world.
Osama B. is described as 'quite and religious'...
Surely the most celebrated cliche from the silver screen is that of the mother insisting, as her son, preferably Jimmy Cagney, is taken away, or just after he is gunned down, that "my boy is a good boy." Touching or funny in the movies, untouching and unfunny in life.
Still, one cannot resist the temptation to offer a variant of updated movie dialogue: "Leave the Stinger surface-to-air laser-guided missiles. Take the felafel."
Another Brother Muslim is victim of your vampiric disrespect and arrogancy against Holy Islam and peacefull Muslim students and Imams.
American people will not let you go on with harassing innocent Muslims and arresting them with false accusations. You have absolutely no sense of shame what so ever. Even not to your own people.
Stop your anti-Islam propaganda. This Brother is a innocent man there is no proof for your lies.
Classic taqiyyah. Notice how every time one of these scumbags is picked up they show up in court with all their wives, offspring and concubines dressed in tattered rags in tow. This sort of show is not by chance. It has been honed for years throughout the West. It's all part of their finely tuned taqiyyah game. It may work in Londonistan or elsewhere in Eurabia but it doesn't play well on Broadway. They should have thought about that before 9/11. If you wake the giant, you had better be prepared for the consequences. The Japanese stirred him on December 7, 1941 and they came to understand the dreadful consequences of their action exactly 59 years ago today.
American people will not let you go on with harassing innocent Muslims and arresting them with false accusations. You have absolutely no sense of shame what so ever. Even not to your own people.
Stop your anti-Islam propaganda. This Brother is a innocent man there is no proof for your lies.
Posted by: Mahmoud at August 6, 2004 05:11 PM
The dude was caught with his hand in the cookie jar!!!!
This is what you get for following a YELLOW MEN ULB,arafat look at his hands YELLOW and UBL not seen since tora-bora yes YELLOW!!!
I think you are a stupid woman!!
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
PS
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2722515
Aug. 6, 2004, 11:49AM
6 bodies found in home near Orlando
Associated Press
DELTONA, Fla. -- The bodies of six adults were found in a home today after one victim failed to show up for work, and authorities said their killer was probably at large.
The four men and two women, ranging in age from 18 to mid-30s, did not appear to be related, and had not been living at the house long, officials said.
The bodies were discovered after one victim's co-worker called a friend and asked the person to visit the home after the victim didn't come to work, officials said.
Davidson said the six bodies, along the body of a dog, were found in different rooms of the three-bedroom home in Deltona, about 25 miles north of Orlando. Nobody was found alive inside.
Deputies have sealed off the area, officials said.
Authorities declined to comment on reports that some victims worked at a nearby Burger King. A restaurant sign read "Sorry temporarily closed. Sorry for the inconvenience." Don Ramdeen, the restaurant's operations director, said the business was bringing in professional counselors for its workers.
A neighbor, India Harris, 17, said investigators had quizzed her, but she knew the home's residents only well enough to say hello. County tax records show the home is owned by a man who lives in New York City's borough of Brooklyn.
What did they KNOW!!!!
Mahmoud:
Islamic terrorists kill Muslims too. Some of the people killed on 9/11 were Muslims. Doesn't that bother you? Don't you think it acceptable that even if there is an occasional arrest that does not turn out to be justified, that for the protection of the entire society, including Muslims, it is worth it? Or does some collateral damage of Muslims not bother you if a large number of infidels are killed? Where is the mercy of Islam? Where is the compassion of Islam?
Mahmoud wrote "Another Brother Muslim is victim of your vampiric disrespect and arrogancy against Holy Islam and peacefull Muslim students and Imams."
If it's so bad here in America, why don't you go back where you came from?
If you're from here, and since it IS America where you are free to leave, let me be the first in a long line of people inviting you to go someplace else.
Free! Just think, our little Mahmoud, free, savor your freedom and fly away. Spread your sterile Muslim wings in your caftan like Sister Bertrille perhaps and catch a gust of wind that will carry you to that lovely paradise on earth, lifted by the hand of whatsitsname so you don't even need a dirty Infidel flying contraption to a land where you will no longer feel the fangs of the American vampires who bleed you and you holey brothers white with our massive disrespect and no one will be eating ham sandwiches in front of you.
Just the thought of the scent of ham, that pink, glistening, smoked meat, slathered with rich, eggy, mayonaisse, on white bread, not even camel drivers' bread. How revolting. It must turn your stomach. It must make everything you ate all day curdle and churn in your gut so you can taste the bile of it in the back of your mouth, assailing your taste buds like a wave of acid that corrodes your throat and your heart. Watching the Infidels chew it greedily, nay, happily even. I bet you can't take your eyes off of them eating. Eating that ham while your disgust grows.
Have we no shame at all?
Nope.
Mahmoud
Look on the bright side, if/when he gets out he'll still have his head........'cuz that's the kind of guys we are.
The comments of the neighbors are nothing new. Anytime any criminal, serial killer, etc is caught, the neighbors always say the same thing...was a nice man, quiet, never any trouble, maybe a little odd...if one wants to carry on criminal activity and not get caught it is obviously in their best interest NOT to call attention to themselves and TO behave in public.
So the Imam at the mosque has handed out pizzas to the poor.
If these poor were non-muslims, an inquiry should be initiated to see if any of the people who were the recipients of this largesse got sick or died after consuming said pizzas.
Never know what kinds of 'toppings' this guy was kind enough to add to the pizzas prior to handing them out..
MENTAT
I've read several articles on Canadian based Islamic sites and also viewed Muslim TV shows,the Quran teaches that all people are ruled by Allah and Allah know their future.
Seems that anyone killed as a result of terrorism or war in the name of Islam,is a martyr
for Allah.A local show running on Saturday nights
(Quran Speaks) has a Sheikh read the Quran and explain the meaning and application.I watched the show just after the massive Earthquake in Iran witch killed about 30,000 people,I listened to this man explain that Allah allows large scale
death as part of humbling us to his power and mercy.
This is why they don't care how many Muslims they kill in America as part if their Jihad,in a earlier posting I listed a Muslim webpage that asserted that tenets of Islam and the claim that all person are born Muslims and it's up to us to learn the Quran and gain favour with Allah.
We're not dealing with sane people here,paranoia and denial is a package deal along with overlooking Muhammeds pedophilia and spousal abuse.
Time to dust off those Nukes and program the
Long-and-lat degree's of the grand Mosque in Mecca.
Despots are cool and calculated this religion breeds despots.
Mahmoud,
I am sure you are long gone by now.
Once things heat up, all you Islamo-slugs run away like a bunch sissy faggets.
Thats why the the Israelies have been knocking the crap out of you yellow cowards for years.
You slimebags have to hide behind women and children.
Your "Muslim Brothers" are about as peaceful as those Nazi bastards were.
It looks like eventually we are going to have to Nuke you sand maggots and number one on the list is that evil and Satanic black rock of shit the Ka'ba.
Come back when you learn to fight like a man.
Posted by: Whistling Dixie at August 6, 2004 06:05 PM
Good one The reason they have to ban all that we love is because they have no self control!!
Now the Duch have to ban toe sucking because these people have no control what is next sandles when they find this does not work?
Part of the American Tribe
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Wisdom,Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
PS
FREEDOM FROM DIMMI TAX!!!
Mamoud:
Islam lost my repect after 9/11 and it is reinforced EVERY DAY when I see what barbarism your Muslim brothers are capable of.
You dare to call ME arrogant when arrogance exudes from Islam by disrepecting ANY OTHER RELIGION?
You are wrong about the American people. THEY WILL let our government go on with thowing supposedly 'innocent' Muslims in jail. They want to be safe and if a few Muslims have to be sacrificed...SO BE IT!
You are right when you say I do not have any shame. What do I have to be shameful about? Wanting my country to be protected? WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR SHAME? Islam has inspired your Muslim brothers to send planes into buildings and murdering thousands of INNOCENT people? It has inspired them to behead INNOCENT people? It has inspired them to blow themselves up along with INNOCENT women and children?
Stop blaming Americans for your uncomfortable position of being suspected of terrorism and Islam being degraded everyday. It was your Muslim brothers who put you and Islam into this position. They have started this war...WE WILL FINISH IT!
ala-sux:
I am trying to reach Mahmoud with a little logic, ala-sux. The guy can obviously string a few sentences together so he is not mentally handicapped. So perhaps we can reach someone like him. People can change. Look at David Horowitz over on Frontpagemag.. He was a raving leftist in his youth. Now, he is about as far right wing as you can get. George Bush had problems with alcohol. Then he found Jesus and was born again. People change all the time.
There's no harm in trying is there, ala-sux?
Mahmoud, I mean Twinkie....You must not have seen my post in one of the other daily threads.....Mohammed has returned from the dead and rotting to finally admit that this was all a practical joke.....
Centuries ago, a few Priests and Rabbi(s) paid Mohammed to find an oddly shaped rock, waltz in and out of the opium dens, telling everyone that the rock's name was Allah, and that it was their God. He told the illiterates that when he put the rock (Allah) up to his ear, that it would talk to him, and have him pass along the repeated commands of cut, kill, destroy to the peasants.
He also said he could hear the ocean.
Mohammed has also admitted that he is actually a Christian, and that all of you are too. Therefore, you are hereby commanded to put down your machetes, and pick up a book. This is to repair the existing problem of 60% illiteracy in the former Muslim, now Christian portion of the world in order to move all of you up to speed with the rest of the world.
You are also commanded to look in the mirror 5 times per day and say: "I live in the 21st century, not the 7th century" 100 times per session.
This case is such obviously bogus humbug that I'm surprised that even the bigots who post here would buy it. One of the men lives with his wife and three children in a "ramshackle" house and drives for an ambulance service for a living. He apparently is the volunteer, unpaid imam of his local mosque and also teaches children's religious classes. The other man apparently runs a small pizzeria, which he scrimped and saved for several years to open.
The "agent" who informed on these dangerous criminals is a convicted felon who was "working off" his sentence for his crimes by entrapping and falsely accusing innocent men - a very common procedure in the American justice system as you all know. Now we hear that the name of one of the men was discovered in a notebook conveniently discovered in a "terrorist training camp" in Iraq. I wonder if it was discovered by the same people who found Mohammed Atta's undamaged passport lying in the street several blocks from the World Trade Center.
Are you people really so blinded by your fear and hatred that you cannot see what is happening here?
Allahu akbar
Reza,
Drop dead!
Sincerely
Son of Infidel
King Bigot
Reza,
Drop dead!
Sincerely
Son of Infidel
King Bigot
Reza, thats double for you!
All seems quiet here, Raisin. Let's you and I duke it out. I just read your tunnel visioned view of this case. Typical Islamist rhetoric, defending the criminals of your cult. You flatter yourself into thinking we fear Islam.
After all, that's what Muslims want, isn't it? To be feared? Guess again diaper boy. We don't fear Islam, we just don't repsect jackasses like you polluting sites with outlandish, baseless remarks.
He lives with his wife and kids. So this makes him innocent? The other busted Muslim scrimped and saved his money to open a pizza shop, so he's innocent? You aren't man, or woman enough to admit being wrong, or admit defeat.
Read about how these two parasites were nailed. Just two more Muslim criminals off our streets. Do you really think that our Government just picked these two out of a cess pool and arrested them. How about the pig they arrested in Britain. Is that just more profiling? We're going to pull rotten teeth like these two out of our society, whether whiney, hypocritical bitches like you agree with it or not.
Does this devout Muslim make pepperoni and sausage pizza by the way? You know Mohammed would be upset if he knew any of you were handling pork products.
Fear Islam? For what?
Your turn.
MahmoudRezaSatanAhriman666:
It may surprise you that many Muslims are leaving Islam precisely because they know what Islam is really about and they have done their homework on the history of Islam. Islam is just another destructive cult which will be obliterated by those who believe in true freedom.
Oh, and when we do, we are going to build golf courses on top of your mosques.
"Any manoevre or position that adds to the pleasure of the sexual encounter between husband and wife is permissible and commendable. One exception is anal intercourse, which is forbidden in Islam. A man may get to his wife from her behind, provided the male organ is not introduced in the anus. This was clearly indicated by the Quran and the Sunna- The Quran says" :
"Do not visit women into their back passages" (Ahmad, Termizi, Ibn Magah)
Reza,
Your are a bit irritable tonight.
Next time you are vistited at your back passage, try some "pig fat" for lubrication.
REZA
Since your one of the "Real Muslims" and
not the slimey weasels we infidels always attack
when they make convoluted responses to defend Islam and their arguments.
I'd like to be enlighted on this issue of Muhammed Atta'a passport being planted on the street in NY since it was impossible to survive the crash and be hurled through the air.
In the Boy Scouts we learned to fry eggs in a paper bag directly over the flames of a campfire,the eggs stopped the oxygen from heating the inside of the paper and forced the flame to reach 451 degree's to cause ignition just like in Ray Bradbury's novel "Fahrenheit 451" .
Here's my questions to help enlighten me to
the knowledge and wisdom given to civilizations
since the creation of Islam.
1. Where was the passport kept by Atta that
it couldn't have been discharged into the
space over downtown N.Y. City.
2. When did people inside America on route
to Cities in America have to produce a
passport and keep in a pocket(normally
stored in a carry on bag or suitcase).
( I only ask because in Canada I've
never needed a passport to travel inside
myown country)
3. With Muslims claiming the planes flew
into the buildings at 600 mph,how
would all body parts and luggage
remain suspended in the air within
the WTC floors.
4. Since the plane engines can only
function at full thrust at ground
level for only about three minutes to
allow for take-off,how did the planes
suspend the laws of physics by having no
drag at sealevel while flying in moist
air,and reached the maximum airspeed
rated @ 30'000 ft. hile surviving.
(note I'm talking about full-thrust
without climming to thinner air that's
cooler and disipates turbine heat.
5. Someone knowing the time of the crash so
the passport could be thrown on the
street would also realize the risk
of being hit with debris and therefor
would be caught at the sight,how
could this be.
I'm very open to embracing Islam and this would be a good time for a true Muslim like you to answer questions without going on a rant about infidels and Jewish plots to blame Islam. I know you won't avoid answering because Islam is perfect and the Quran is beyond any faults of logic and Allah greatness of knowledge.
Pretend I just walked into a Mosque and your my link to salvation by converting to Islam and will avoid burning in hell for Allahs pleasure that shows the believers they have a mercifull and loving diety as their leader.
P.S.
If you don't know the answers please just say so and don't resort to the usual rant by fake Muslims that call me an Islamophobe and bigot,this does more damage to Islam and hurts Allah's feelings. I don't work for the Zionists or
the infidel pig in America so restrict your insults to a Canadian Christian that's needs to see the light and truth of Islams peaceful teachings.
Sincerly Yours
ALA SUX
Hey,I have no doubt they're the head of
a family and known in the nieghbourhood,my problem is that it's the "Manson-family" and
murder will be the choice for "recreational quality time" with the family.
Sincerely yours
ALA SUX
To Reza.
You said: "This case is such obviously bogus humbug that I'm surprised that even the bigots who post here would buy it. One of the men lives with his wife and three children in a "ramshackle" house and drives for an ambulance service for a living. He apparently is the volunteer, unpaid imam of his local mosque and also teaches children's religious classes. The other man apparently runs a small pizzeria, which he scrimped and saved for several years to open."
LOL! Spoken like a true muslim. The way you respond to any accusations about muslims is to claim it cannot be true. But when you read your koran its full of stories like the one below. These are the examples set by your "prophet". If this is what your "prophet" is capable of, I'm sure that a man who drives an ambulance is capable of something as simple as trying to acquire arms.
"According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns."
To Reza:
I highly recommend that you read this site.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com
It offers muslims like you the opportunity to leave that evil religion you follow. Don't be afraid, you already have taken the first step and you dont even realize it. You have come here to engage us, but subsconciously you really have doubts about your faith. Read this about mohammed (spit) and then reflect on how you really feel following his faith. There will be more lessons forthcoming. I know you can be saved, and I wont give up hope for you.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/mohammed.htm
Muhammed was an Arab man, who lived 1400 years ago.
To realize his desire to rule over people, and satisfy his above-average sexual desires, he lied to everyone that he was receiving revelations from God.
Comparing to his surrounding people who were immoral enough to bury their infant daughers, he was a relatively clever guy, intelligent, but evil to the core. Studying Islam almost makes one think Mohammed was the devil himself which he kept talking of.
From a muslim perspective, Mohammed was a kind truthful man, and the true last prophet of God.
Read the Quran and Hadith and decide for yourself.
This is all there is to him. He was an evil liar and a violent man with a larger than usual sexual appetite. He was a pedophile, because when he was 54 years old, he married a 9 year old little girl. He was old enough to be her grandfather.
If Mohammed was truelly a prophet, he would have set better examples.
If Allah was a true god, he would know that Mohammed would be called a pedophile in the future. How could Allah allow his last messenger to be called a pedophile in the future? Was it necessary for Mohammed to have married a 9 year old little girl and result in being called a pedophile later on?
Character defects like these and many other factors, such as the absence of miracles in Quran disqualify Mohammed as being the last messenger of God.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/mohammed.htm
REZA OUR RESIDENT MOONBAT
You've come back!Think you have been posting
at Little Green Footballs and got kicked out again
by their playful comments.....Agree that you are taking the first step to leaving the Death Cult of Islam because you're spending a lot of time talking to Infidels.Have just heard Christianity is the In Thing in Red China and has 65 Million converts already...Become a Christian and be free,
peaceful and prosperous.No more arse up five times
a day and having to shave hairy orifices. If you'd
rather convert to Buddhist/Hindu/Wiccan you can and no one will try to kill you even if you become an atheist. Become part of the 21st Century
and know happiness as well as freedom.
Hey Mahmoud
You said:
"Stop your anti-Islam propaganda. This Brother is a innocent man there is no proof for your lies."
Its amazing how badly you feel for this man when all thats happened is that he has been arrested. He is still subject to a trial and only IF found guilty he will be punished. And the punishment will be humane.
Lets contrast this with how your sick "religion" treats their women. Men are permitted to BEAT their wives whenever they want. NO trial is necessary to establish their guilt, and no lawyer is there to defend them. In other words, they dont even have the same rights as your ambulance driver does.
Its strange how you muslims seem to not only be ok with this, but you defend your right to beat your wives. I can't imagine beating a woman even if it was allowed by some law. To me that is inhumane and cowardly, but I am not a muslim.
What do you feel about stories like this which reveal the true brutality of your so called "religion of peace"? I wonder if this bothers you much as much as our words do about your muslim brother, somehow I dont think so...
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD76004
Another Brother Muslim is victim of your vampiric disrespect and arrogancy against Holy Islam and peacefull Muslim students and Imams.
Posted by: Mahmoud at August 6, 2004 05:11 PM
Your "brother" is a victim of Islam, which again i must remind you is not "holy". It's the cult of the devil, and Muhammad was a murderous pedophile who worshipped a rock, as you do.
Since you believe in this cult which says you must kill all those who do not worship your rock god;
Mahmoud, or Moo- mound, cow pie, or whatever you want to call yourself, You must be brain dead if you cannot read your own "holy books" and realize that it's all lies.
Even a kid with a grade 5 education can research Islam and pick out the lies.
The fact that you can't proves how dumb you really are.
Now run along, and go watch the sun set in a muddy pond, or watch it change clothes for the fall season, or watch the sun revolve around the earth, or the many other things your silly rock god says.
Or, go rejoice the fact that your pedophile prophet raped a six year old baby, and also lusted after his she- camel, murdered thousands, and raped and tortured countless women.
That's some prophet you have.
I bet if muhammad said you must lick a dogs balls 5 times a day, you'd do it, and say it's Allahs command; And, you'd LIKE IT.
AllahU a rock
hey reza,
You said -- "The "agent" who informed on these dangerous criminals is a convicted felon who was "working off" his sentence for his crimes by entrapping and falsely accusing innocent men - a very common procedure in the American justice system as you all know"
what you think you know about the American justice system is just nonsense built together by your feeble brain. You don't know shit. You and mahmoud should get together and blow your stupid asses up in the name of your moon god. When you are an informant for the police, you don't just rat out anyone, because the police are not stupid, and they are not going to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on surveillance if it is not worth it. You must get your information from other wannabe mullahs at your high school. Until you learn life from experiences(like the American justice system and being ratted out by scum like yourself and having to go to jail for years upon years) shut your damn piehole.
And Mahmoud said--"American people will not let you go on with harassing innocent Muslims and arresting them with false accusations. You have absolutely no sense of shame what so ever. Even not to your own people."
Man your stupid, you think people here give a fuck about your smelly kind, you come here, take our jobs(this guys pizzaria was called "Little Italy"---WTF he is not Italian) exploit our country, and spit on or flag. And you say we Americans won't stand for it. Let me tell you something chubs, when people see you in the street -they see nothing but a smelly ass raghead walk by. keep that in mind.
I refuse to run, and I will die before I kneel
REZA ,I'm still waiting and Allah's getting pretty upset that you don't know enough about the Quran to answer my questions.
I'm willing to hear the truth and convert to Islam but it looks like you hate Allah and Muhammed so mush you want to control my destiny
to rot in hell and not become a Muslim to please
Allah. Is the problem about you asuming I'm a white Westerner and not a dumb visible minority
you Muslims can trick into believing the Jews and White man caused all the poverty and ignorance in Islam which makes Muslims terrorist and murderers to bring back peace and justice to the world.
HELLO...Reza,are you out there,my God told me to test the fruits to see what the tree is.
Just answer the question so I can see if the
tree you eat from bares poison hidden in a pretty
fruits or brings energy and peace that you share
for the glory of God.
Again,thanks
ALA SUX
You guys HAVE to watch the video of this filthy wife beater. Its unbelievable to see how these peoples minds work. He said that he beat his wife because she went upstairs to his sisters apartment without telling him where she was. Next he says that any man who isnt jealous and doesnt beat his wife isnt a man. Then he says how wonderful it is that poligamy is allowed under islamic law.
I've never seen anything more disturbing. And to top it off, after beating the crap out of his wife and almost killing her, he decides that she can't be a TV host anymore. Now he wants to ruin her career as well. Obviously she has no say because under the beautiful religion of islam, she is owned by her husband and has no rights.
Its sickening what these people are allowed to by their so called "religion".
http://memritv.org/archives.asp?ACT=S9&P1=184#
Heres the transcript if you dont have a fast connection for the video.
Battered Saudi TV Host and Abusive Husband's Televised Interviews
Ranya Al-Baz, a Saudi TV host was severly beaten by her husband, Muhammad Bakr Yunis. On April 29, 2004, she was interviewed by MBC's Mahmoud Sa'd. On August 1, 2004, Sa'd interviewed the abusive husband and aired again excerpts from Al-Baz's April interview. The following are excerpts:
Ranya Al-Baz: I felt he was coming to beat me. I thought I could threaten him, I said: "Dont beat me." I told him that if he beat me I would go to my parents house and tell my dad, and so on.
He said a very strange thing that he had said to me before but never acted on it. He told me: "I am not coming to beat you. I am coming to kill you.
He grabbed me by my neck and flung me to the ground. He started strangling me, staring at me… I dont know if they were the eyes of a murderer or a look of hatred… It was a strange look. Ive been with him for six years and never saw such a look from him or from anyone else.He continued to strangle me and I felt all vital signs disappearing from me. Then he released me and said, "Say the Shahada." I felt this was the end. I was half conscious and started to say the Shahada. I said it three times. Allah be praised, while he was hurting me he told me to say the Shahada, because he felt he was going to kill me. Saying Allahs name gave me comfort in those moments. I said the Shahada three times and he started strangling me again. I dont remember what happened later, I found myself in the hospital, in the ICU... I dont know how my face got broken. I dont know how he beat me, I dont know anything. All I knew was that I was in the hospital with my relatives holding my hand and saying they were by my side.
Muhammad Bakr Yunis: Never in my life, have I attacked a wife, and you should know that I have another wife whom I have never attacked.
Sad: You are married to another wife?
Yunis: Yes, I am married to another wife.
Sad: Before Ranya or after?
Yunis:Yunis: Before Ranya.
Sad: Ranya then is your second wife?
Yunis:Shes my third wife.
Sad:The third?
Yunis:Yes, the third.
Sad:For how many years?
Yunis:Let us not digress from the subject we are discussing.
Sad:Okay, okay...
Yunis: I oppose the idea of a man demonstrating his strength on his wife. I oppose this very much. It is impossible that anyone would accept… I would not accept it if my sisters husband beats her, except for one case: if she did something deserving a beating.
Sad:In general, when am I supposed to beat my wife?
Yunis: I take you back to the Prophet Muhammad, who forbade beating a wife on her face. At the same time, one may beat a wife as a punishment, but the purpose of this punishment is not to hurt her as much as it is to warn her not to do something bad.
Sad: Muhammad, do you claim that the Prophet ordered this kind of beating?
Yunis: No, the Prophet forbade such beating and, by the way, this is what I regret. I regret the anger that overtook me, but what caused this anger should stay between her and me.
Sad:: Okay, but lets go back. You claim that a woman should be beaten for such and such reason when she does this or that... Tell me what a wife must do in order to deserve beatings, and I mean any wife, not yours. You said earlier that it is allowed to beat your wife in certain circumstances or following a certain behavior. What, for instance?
Yunis:The home is sacred and this sanctity should not be violated. When a wife lets a man in your house in your absence, is she not worthy of punishment? I believe she deserves to be punished. When the wife discloses things that Allah ordered that they must remain between her and her husband, is she not worthy of punishment? The punishment varies from person to person and from one case of anger to another. We all get angry.
She went upstairs (to my sister-in-laws apartment) without telling me. I searched for her and did not find her, but I found her by the door, when she came back and said: "Where were you?" She answered: "I went upstairs." I told her: "You must tell me where you are going!" The truth is that in my opinion any woman, not just a wife...
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Women, as we say colloquially...…How nice it is when a wife chooses her words carefully while speaking to her husband. This is the husband who will bring you into paradise. The Prophet Muhammad said that if it were possible to bow down before anyone other than Allah, he would order the wife to bow down before her husband. I dont use this Hadith to show that a wife must blindly obey her husband. But a husband has rights.
Sad: The woman as well.
Yunis: Allah ruled that obeying the husband is important. I never order her to do something wrong, never.
Sad:Who told you that...
Yunis: I mean... The whole issue is...…"He has put love and mercy between you." I am very peaceful by nature. Very peaceful.
Sad: What did she do, she went upstairs?
Yunis: Yes, she went upstairs and I slapped her.
My sister (the singer) Wad is one of my younger sisters, and I love her very much. She is dear to my heart. A man who does not jealously protect the honor of his womenfolk does not deserve to be called a man. Many times it pains me... I will give you an example, if you ask ten Saudi men: "Would you allow that your sister to become a singer," be assured you will find nonethat allows it, and if you find one, he will not be sure of his position. She chose a very difficult path. Be assured that I pray to Allah that she leave this path of her own free will, because she will loose more than she will gain. She is not going to become a singer like the Algerian Warda or Um Kulthum.
We in Saudi Arabia, Allah be praised, live under our wise government. Here disputes are resolved according to the Islamic law.
Sad: Islamic law?
Yunis:Yes, Islamic law, not womens rights or human rights. Womens rights were protected 1400 years ago in Islam…
Sad: Religious law protects human and womens rights much better than man-made laws…
Yunis: Hannan [Wad] told the judge: "I will not sing." She swore before the judge that she would not sing. And now… When I speak about my sister… Can you imagine, Hannan and Ranya, a sister and a wife, both are under my responsibility. Whoever does not jealously protect the honor of his womenfolk has no place in this world...
Sad: Did you object to her working as a TV host?
Yunis: Be assured that I had no objection to Ranya being a TV host but following these events… If she were a journalist who does her work in a credible manner, she would not have brought her domestic affairs to the media.
Sad: Are you sure she cant work as a TV host again?
Yunis: After these events, I think not.
Sad: Okay, arent you afraid you will beat her again since she provokes you to beat her?
Yunis: Be assured that this time I will not beat with my hand.
Sad: So what with, a knife?
Yunis: No, this time I will beat her by marrying another wife.
Sad: This is a knock-out, and you are used to this…
Yunis:After all, (Polygamy) is permitted. Is there anything nicer than what is permitted by Islamic law? I think its beautiful. I believe that a man… Love that is not crowned with marriage Means deceit of decent girls. It is nice to love and to get married. (Polygamy) is permitted and nothing is better than that which is permitted.
The Muslim-bashing must stop,the people of Albany are correct and all of us have it wrong.
Just because roughly 95 percent of the Worlds Muslim don't condemn killing infidels and Jews,doesn't mean we can make negative stereotypical Islamophpbic comments about the 5 percent of the good Muslim that only preach that infidels will rot in hell with the Jews.
Don't paint the whole Muslim community with
the same brush,it's like blaming the 1 percent of honest caring lawyers for the actions of the other
99 percent that are the blood-sucking,money-grabbing,back-stabbing,liars that selflessly
try to earn a living of the poor and elderly.
So com'on people,with 1.2 Billion Muslims outside NorthAmerica praying to Allah for a victory against us infidel pigs that deserve
to get our heads hacked off. Don't be tempted
into spewing anti-Muslim statements that only
hurt the feelings of the good Muslim here that
truely don't know the Mosques are funding terrorism, or that the orphan they sponsor in Palestine had parents that were suicide bombers
and had to leave him behind since the Quran forebids killing the innocent on Earth.
Tolerance and sensitivity is the foundation of Islam,their sensitive to free thought and different opinion but are wiling to tolerate
your screaming as they behead you for the crusades and whatever else they can dump on us.
SONOFMOSES
Saw the video and this isn't the first time this woman was injured,remeber,for every abussive husband there's a woman that married them and stays with them.
I have three sisters and God help the guy that does that to any one of them,the difference is that my sisters don't see me as a enemy of Islam and a godless infidel pig that will rot in heel with the filthy Jews. This woman would slit your throat as soon as looking at you,don't get out the cry towel so quickly,some people volunteer to be victims and enjoy the abuse by proxy.
Accepting the abuse is a way of forcing guilt
on the purpetrator and after an apology this re-enforces their sense of moral values which may be low for us but uses the husband to sink lower.
You should read about the men who abuse woman and the woman that love them.It was really sad
to see this but the husband is part of the results
from blindly following the Quran that was written by a misogenist pedophile murderer.
The violence in Iraq has more to do with abusive male Muslims fearing women getting power through non-Muslim values on human dignity and in return
taking away their control over females. I've dated abusive females and dumped them quick after the first few insults and guilt trips.
Life is what you make it,and things will be much easier on you if you understand your not responsible for everyone elses bad choices.
I'm going to guess she's still with the guy and
accepts that it was Allahs will.
Truth,
Fair enough some of the comment s on this thread are hateful, but it is justified hatred, we hate the bitch who wrote this letter because of her obvious hatred for "infidels" and her reason for hating "infidels is for no other reason than the fact that we are "infidels". Is that a legitimate reason for muslims to hate us (you included Truth)?Simply because we don't believe in the same "religion" as her? Over here in the UK if we make comments much milder than this , in critisism of islam we get filed as "racists" (even though islam isn't a race) and "nazis" and "xenophobes" and there is uproar that we have "offended them" (which is bullshit because if some one took the piss out of a catholic they wouldn't give a shit and would just flip 2 fingers back at the perp, yet muslims are offended when we declare the truth to them).
But people like you allow these people to be blatantly hypocritical when peopler of the same religion in Iraq ( or even in the UK if you take Abu Hamza into account) are preaching hate and screaming racial abuse at us . What an up-side-down world we live in, where foreigners are given more rights than the actual british inhabitants).
I took this from the "Letter to Paul Johnsons Wife" thread, because that thread is collecting dust and cobwebs and I really want Truth to acknowledge the above, so have copied it onto a more recent post. I believe Truth despite his cussing us on here is a sensible enough man to see that our cause is a just one , and we are not just being anti-islamic for the hell of it.
when are we going to wake up... i lost a very close sister in the world trade center and i worked for 5 months at ground zero digging thru the rubble that this so-called peacefull people did to us. when are we all going to realize that all mulums are evel. if you have a mulums living on your block you had better watch them. they will shake your hand one day and stab you in the back the next. PLEASE EVERYBODY "WAKE UP"
I would suggest to all that if possible, read the 911 Commission Report. Muslims are soon to be taught the price of their actions, and they are going to have democracy taught to them whether they like it or not.
This Commission pulled few punches in this report. Unfortunately, there were parts I'd have like to have seen with regard to what the Qur'an actually says. That is the root of the problem. They think they'll burn in hell if they stray from the Qur'an.
Muslims, per the report, are als going to be educated on obeying the law of the land, and taught to treat women fairly and equally. They're gonna hate it, but none of us should care. This has been too long in coming to pass.
Seems these people have no respect for gun control laws.
I wonder if these surface-to-air missles were properly registered?
But then, maybe on a hot summer afternoons at the mosque, its good to bring the the wives, concubines, camels, and offspring to sit beneath the shade of a SAM and sip lemonade to wash the hummas and pita bread.
Really, we should learn to be more sensitive. After all, if they want to take down an airliner whose engine noise interferes with the 5 a.m. call to prayer -- who are we to judge???
Bigots! Bigots! All us -- incensitive bigots! Where is the ACLU? Ted Kennedy where are you?
Apparently according to those mothers, neighbours, friends and acquaintances those peolpe coulnd't have been terrorists, BECAUSE they are soft spoken, and family oriented, and kind, and quite etc. If it was that easy we could find all the terrorists just by looking for loud swearing unkind, people, who don't care about their family. Maybe taking childrent to the amusement part, or giving the poor pizza (out of all things) will make it impossible for one to become a terrorist. I have NEVER heard any of those mothers, family members friends etc saying anything other than NO WAY he was soft poken and polite, oh please.