The Al-Qaeda deadline for Italy will soon pass, and Italians are getting ready. From AFP:
Police and paramilitary troops stood guard Saturday outside the Senate, the elegant Piazza Navonna, the nearby Pantheon, the Piazza Venezia, among other Rome landmarks, as well as outside the residence here of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who is away at his holiday home on the Mediterranean island of Sardinia.The daily Corriere della Sera said Friday some 200 embulances and 300 doctors would be on call -- and even traffic police were being mobilized, ready for action.
A statement published in an Arab newspaper on August 1 in the name of Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades threatened to strike Italians everywhere unless Rome withdrew its nearly 3,000 troops within 15 days. The same group claimed responsibility for the bloody March 11 attack on a Madrid commuter train that killed 191 people as well as the November 2003 bombings against British interests in Istanbul in which 25 people died.
In July, a statement purporting to be by Abu Hafs posted on an Islamist website threatened Italy with a "bloodbath" similar to that of the September 11 attacks on the United States if it kept Berlusconi, a high-profile supporter of the US-led "war on terrorism", in power.
At least Italians wont put upi with PC and the like if an attack occurs...the "Northern League" attracted more votes in the last general elections and the now want more say in Government policy.
Muslims beware...Italy is not just the heaert of Europe but the center of Christianity....nothing more than what Muslims would love to "conquer"........but this will be a great miscalculation.
10-4 on Italy being the heart of Christianity and Sacred to the World.If they would target our most Holy places then we should level the Mid-East wipe out Quaran and all mention of mohaamad and allah.
Yahweh Reighns
No doubt Rome is a target and has been a target for some time because of its Christian symbolism.
While it appears the Italians are doing the right things, let us not underestimate the politician's eagerness and capacity to acquiesce.
If the worst did come to pass, expect the usual PC chants of "restraint" and "measured response" from the political leaders in the US and Britian.
As long as they feel they can "contian" the enemy and "manage" them to some degree, "negotiations" will go on and on, and on, and on ....
Nevertheless, such a terrorist strike as depicted here, would be a very foolish venture on the part of the islamists.
Counting on the willingness of Western politicians to cow, can go just so far before a breaking point is reached.
In that case, the most profound moral cowerdice imaginable of the Western political leaders will not suffice in "containing" the righteous indignation their own people.
(Keep filling the bucket too fast, and it overflows no matter how many holes you drill in it)
Indeed, islamists -- beware.
The Italians will not be intimidated into appeasement and capitulation, as the spineless and gutless socialist cowards of Spain were.
Durning World II, Benito Mussolini the fascist dictator and his mistress Claretta Petacci, were caught by Italian partisans as they headed for Chiavenna to board a plane for escape to Switzerland.
They were both shot on the spot along with their sixteen-man escort. The next day their bodies were hung in the Piazzale Loreto,Milan.
This is the fate that should await the Islamo-fascists that would perpetrate death and destruction on this great country.
Oriana Fallaci, an Italian journalist, living in NYC, witnessing the horrors of 9/11/01, began that morning putting her thoughts to paper, originally for an article, but her passion, energized by childhood memories of Fascism in Italy during WWII, grew into a must read: The Rage and the Pride
from an Amazon.com reader's comments:
Considering these thoughts were put on paper in the days after 9/11/01, she demonstrates an amazing prescience in some of her comments. It's hard to believe that certain sections were written prior to any serious discussion of the Iraqi conflict. Analyzing various leaders' responses to September 11, she explains that Tony Blair understood the consequences; Jacque Chirac did not. She admits to desperately wanting to shout at the Frenchman "Monsieur le President, don't you remember the landing in Normandy? Don't you how many Americans died in Normandy to chase the nazis from France?"
Addressing Pope John Paul II's seeming reticence in criticizing even the extremist fringes of Islam, she cogently implores, "my generation which has lived its entire existence in the fear of the third World War must thank you (the Pope) especially for the miracle in which none of us believed; a Europe free from the nightmare of communism...(but now) you wink at individuals who are worse than Stalin, you flirt with the same ones who still would like to build mosques in the Vatican."
She aptly dismisses anti-war protestors who oppose even just conflicts and accuses the irresponsible movement as a clueless force that "preaches pacifism at any cost and repudiates even the war we fought against nazism."
All acts of Islamic-terrorism, whatever corner of the earth they are perpetrated in, must be met with overwhelming force.
This policy of limited responce and restraint has proven to be ineffective and to little to late.
The United States and other Western countries could learn well from the Israelis,when attacked they route out the evil and destroy it.
If we are going to prevail we must bring the fight to them, to the Islamic countries that finance, train and support this scourge,or we will indefinitly be held hostage by their threats and live in a continual state of terror warnings and alerts.
daughter of patriots,
Oriana Fallaci, a strong and courageous woman who had the guts to speak the truth about the Islamo-fascists and their vile ideology.
Rome IMO, is not the target. The Vatican is.
Regarding the comment about the Vatican being the real target of the followers of the religion of rest-in-peace..
Recall that it was a muslim who tried to assasinate the pope back in the early 80's.. So.. my point is that they've already attacked the leader of Christianity and absolutely nothing was done about it.
Oh.. I forgot. Something was done about it.. The pope gave his would-be killer a big hug which probably was accompanied by the pope kissing the guy's copy of the Koran.
And don't forget what the Italian Gov't did.. After a few years of imprisonment, the guy was was let out of prison on a weekend pass and, guess what? He never returned back to his cell and no attempt was made by the Italians to go and bring the guy back in either..
Oriana Fallaci
Straight talking woman has critiscised the Catholic Church about Islam
But the Church, she says, is not able — or worse, not willing — to defend Christianity. Fallaci accuses the Church of helping the expansion of the "Islamic empire," lobbying for more Muslims to come to Europe. She points out that Christianity offers its churches as shelters to Muslim immigrants, who immediately turn them into mosques, as it has happened repeatedly in France and Italy. It continuously apologizes for the Crusades, but never expects an apology for what Muslims are doing now to Christians in Sudan or Indonesia.
http://www.giselle.com/oriana.html
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2002/11/16/fallaci/index_np.html
For all of us in the West, the following details what is at stake--if we were to lose.
This is a letter written by a father to his sons:
This dad, a retired attorney, wrote it May 19, 2004.
THE WORLD SITUATION
Dear Tom, Kevin, Kirby and Ted,
As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the
present world situation, We have, over the years, discussed alot of
important things like going to college, jobs, and so forth. But this really
takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this might give you a
longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my generation are left to
speak to.
To be sure you understand this is not politically flavored, I will tell
you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre-and WW II
(1933-1945) up
to and including our current president, I have, without exception,
supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict. This
would include,to name a few:
President Truman - Korean War 1950,
President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs 1961,
President Kennedy - Vietnam 1961,
Eight presidents (5 Republican and 4 Democrats) - the Cold War 1945-1991,
President Clinton's strike on Bosnia - 1995 and on Iraq - 1998.
So be sure you read this as completely non-political or otherwise you will
miss the point.
Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence as we
know it that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII.)
The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very
few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize
what losing really means.
First, let's examine a few basics.
1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11, 2001. The
answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to
September, 2001 with the following attacks on us:
Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979:
Beirut, Lebanon Embassy, 1983:
Beirut,Lebanon Marine Barracks, 1983;
Lockerbie, Scotland Pam-Am flight to New York, 1988:
First New York World Trade Center attack, 1993:
Dhahran, Saudi. Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex, 1996:
Nairobi, Kenya U S Embassy, 1998:
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy, 1998:
Aden, Yemen USS Cole, 2000:
New York World Trade Center, 2001:
Pentagon, 2001.
(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
attacks worldwide.)
2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton,
and Bush 2.
We cannot fault either the Republicans or the Democrats as there were no
provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
(Presidents Ford or Carter,)
3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were
carried out by Muslims.
4. What is the Muslim population of the world? 25%.
5. Isn't the Muslim religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that's really not
material. There is no doubt that the predominantly Christian population of
Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who
was also Christian) that made no difference. You either went along with the
administration or you were eliminated.
There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political
reasons
(including 7,000 Polish priests).
(http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm).
Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis as the
6
million holocaust Jews who were killed by them and we seldom heard of
anything
other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused
on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of
exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian, or
any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US
but kill all in the way - their own people, the Spanish, French, or anyone
else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
there may be they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders
and what they are fanatically bent on doing, by their own pronouncements,
killing all of us infidels. I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would
you do if the choice was shut up or die?
6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond that
it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically
correct and avoiding verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There
is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are
fighting. So with that background, now to two major questions: 1. Can we
lose this war? 2.What does losing really mean? If we are to win, we must
clearly answer these two piviotal questions.
We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - what does losing mean? It would appear that
a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads,
bringing the troops home, and going on about our business as we did
post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing
really means is: We would no longer be the premier country in the world.
The attacks will not subside but rather will steadily increase. Remember,
they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they
would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the
past 18 years.
The plan was clearly to terrorist attack us until we were neutered and
submissive
to them. We would of course have no future support from other nations for
fear
of reprisals and for the reason they would see we are impotent and unable
to help them.They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time.
It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their
train and told them to withdraw their troops. Anything else they want Spain
to do, will be done. Spain is finished.
The next will probably be France. Our one hope in France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished,
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it
may already be too late for France.
France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast.
If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of life as we
know it will all vanish. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if
they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslims, how can
anyone else?
The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war and therefore are
completely committed to winning at any cost. We better know it, too, and be
likewise committed to winning at any cost.
Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until
we recognize the costs of losing we cannot unite and really put 100% of our
thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort
to win.
So how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the
war by imploding, that is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the
enemy and its purposes and by really digging in and lending support to the
war effort.
If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be
divided,
there is no way that we can win. Let me give you a few examples of how we
simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.
President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between
17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
that sound like we are taking things seriously? This is war. For the
duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil
rights temporarily or we most certainly will lose all of them permanently.
And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victory and, in
fact, added many more since then.
Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? No, I blame us
for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and
all our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful,
honorable war. None of these words apply to war. Get them out of your head.
Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't understand what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakened.
It concerns our friends and it does great damage to our cause.
Of more recent vintage is the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war that perhaps best
exemplifies what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing
their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their
tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with
Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners
chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are
also the same type enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and
dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more
recently, the same type enemy that was, and is, providing videos to all news
sources internationally of the beheading of an American prisoner they held.
Compare this with some of our press and politicians who for several days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners - not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for
real? The poliiticians and pundits have even talked of impeaching the
Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are
fighting, the life and death struggle we are in, and the disastrous results
of losing this war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political
standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his
fiddle while Rome burned - totally oblivious to what is going on in the real
world.
Neither we, nor any other country can survive this internal strife. Again,
I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are
disloyal. It simply means that they are oblivious to the magnitude of the
situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing
us for so many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists' stated goal is to
kill all infidels.That translates into all non-Muslims, not just the US but
throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.
We have been criticized for many years as being "arrogant". That charge is
valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we
are so good, powerful, and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of
all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we
can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't. If we don't recognize this,
our nation as we know it will not survive and no other free country in the
world will survive if we are defeated.
And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the P
ress, equal rights for anyone, let alone everyone, equal status for women,
or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good
of the world. This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on
this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted
fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history
books to be written or read.
If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase
the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little on
the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among
themselves over what should or should not be done which will continue to
weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily
familiar?
Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically
correct, piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those
freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom
and will not apply it to you or even to themselves once they are in power.
They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start
brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses.
Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the "peaceful
Muslims"? I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said above.
If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I believe that after
the election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation
we are in
and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking
about. Do whatever you can to preserve it.
Love, Dad
unicorns-that was a very well put analyzation of our present predicament-it is time that americans wake up from our 9 to 5s, our sportscenter, and our little leagues. Because there is something bigger out there , there is an evil hate machine that has been steadily growing and spreading its arms out from the middle east invading the rest of the world trying to slowly assimilate through submission and destruction. We must resist, we must take arms up, we must plan on the worst. But back to the forum....
I would be surprised if any attacks happen in Italy. Because the terrorists are well...basically idiots and im surprised they pulled 9/11 off. To all you ragheads out there blinded by your idiot book. If i see you on the street ill beat your face in. Stay out of my country!
Great Letter......the infuriating thing about this is that the majority of people are oblivious to what is happening....
So far there have been no attacks but hope Italy stays vigilant.
Mr Bananas says" Muslims beware...Italy is not just the heart of Europe but the center of Christianity"....
LoL, I always find that so ironic...considering that was the (Italian) romans who crucified Isa Mussi (that's JC to you).
Mr. Witness says "If the worst did come to pass, expect the usual PC chants of "restraint" and "measured response" from the political leaders in the US and Britian".
I agree with you..this will definately be the case...if only because you don't know who will do the damage. Al-Queida you say...but who is Al-Queida, they are certainly not all the muslims...
which country do they belong to...no one country ...so who do you fight against. The West will never gather the political will to just indiscrimently bomb say Saudi or Sryia or Yemen, the outcry to the killing of innocents in those countries will be huge from a worldwide perspective....this is the nub of the problem...and ofcourse why Al-Quieda is so difficult to deal with.
Mr. Infidel says "The Italians will not be intimidated into appeasement and capitulation, as the spineless and gutless socialist cowards of Spain were".
The Spanish are not all gutless ..think of all the brave exploits of Zorro.
In general, I think that a lot of hate that the West shows towards Islam has to recede...a prime example of this is that the Italians will not allow a mosque to be bulit in Italy...(despite the fact that Italin muslims are peaceful & tax payers like any other) I mean why not ...THAT is openly discriminatory and imflammatory, this is what pisses off every 15 year muslim.
Practice what you preach, "love thy neighbour"; "live and let live philosophy" , isn't that what your bible says. This should more prevelant in Italy more than anywhere else ...if they believe in the Bible , but clearly and disappointingly this is not what is happening, it needs to for the sake of your childrens.
Naseen wrote:
Mr Bananas says" Muslims beware...Italy is not just the heart of Europe but the center of Christianity"....LoL, I always find that so ironic...considering that was the (Italian) romans who crucified Isa Mussi (that's JC to you).
You seriously dont have any clue about Christian history do you?....but for the record.The Romans were NOT a Christian society when JC was killed. And for the other record, I know Muslims like to distort a lot about Christianity...but Naseen, Jesus jewish name was Yehoshoua, your Muslim name Isa....is for Isaac....then again Muhammad plagiarised many things from the Bible without knowing the first thing about it.
Naseen wrote:
Practice what you preach, "love thy neighbour"; "live and let live philosophy" , isn't that what your bible says. This should more prevelant in Italy more than anywhere else ...if they believe in the Bible , but clearly and disappointingly this is not what is happening, it needs to for the sake of your childrens.
The Italians are NOT fools for your people or your religion.....because YOUR people and YOUR religion wont "live and let live"....they are up to your game.
Naseem,
What ever "hate" the West has for Islam it is well deserved!
In the 14 centuries since the vile and loathsome ideology of Islam came into the world, this accursed cult from hell has left a trail of death and destruction.
"Mr. Infidel says "The Italians will not be intimidated into appeasement and capitulation, as the spineless and gutless socialist cowards of Spain were".
"The Spanish are not all gutless ..think of all the brave exploits of Zorro".
The "Muslims" certianlly are all spineless and gutless yellow cowards.
The "brave" Islamo-terrorists cut of the heads of defenceless men while their hands are tied.
The "brain washed" Palestinians slobs turn themselves into "human bombs" and slaughter innocent men, women, and children.
Your Islamic brethren have to resort to depraved acts terrorism and barbarity and when confronted in a real battle they hide behind their own women and childern.
In the final analysis your armies shall be vanquished and "Islam" shall be purged from the earth.
Naseem writes:
"Practice what you preach, "love thy neighbour"; "live and let live philosophy" , isn't that what your bible says. This should more prevelant in Italy more than anywhere else ...if they believe in the Bible , but clearly and disappointingly this is not what is happening, it needs to for the sake of your childrens.
Posted by: Naseem at August 16, 2004 06:42 AM
"
Witness inquires:
So Naseem, do you believe in what the Bible teaches or is it simply a philosophy book?
Naseem,
Oh and I suppose the Italians should allow mosks to be built there in return for all the Cathederals you have allowed to be built in Arabia and Persia?
Naseem:
I really would like to know your thoughts.
Perhaps we will meet face-to-face on the field of battle one day -- perhaps by "God's will" as they say.
Until that time, I will refrain from gratuitous hostility toward you expressed in my speech. I can not speak for others on this forum since they are free to speak for themselves as I freely speak for myself.
So again, I inquire with sincerity: "Do you believe that the Bible is merely a philosophy book? Have you actually studied it and do you really understand who Jesus Christ is?"
Naseem,
What a hypocrite you are! Complaining on this message board that not enough mosques are allowed to be built in Italy while completely ignoring the brutal treatment muslims give to Christians in their homelands and wherein the mere possession of a Bible often warrants a death sentence.
Clean up your own backyard before complaining about someone else's being all messed up..
Mr Witness, I think the Bible is an important works. "Turning the other cheek" is much in line with the submissive nature of Islam (5 times a day). Also Isa Muzzi was a prophet highly regarded by muslims ...but Muhammed (pbuh) was the last.. with Allah's (SWT) message of shining light.
Note that for a brief period I was schooled in a country where they had "assembly" in the mornings twice a week where only christian prayers were said, so I do know some of the "morning is broken like the 1st morning" and "while shepards wash their flocks by night" hymns, I had to do my own prayers at home!!!!
Mr. Mahdi, I personally don't have that much against setting up churches (provided they pay the proper taxes) and the like in muslim lands, but not everybody thinks the same.
The problem here is the clerics who often pass out this message. This is the primary place where we need a globally respected muslim religious committee, I talked about earlier who would provide edicts/fatwas/fitnas/rulings on what is allowed and what is not. This would negate local clerics straying away from the "correct" message (whatever it maybe) on such matters.
Naseem,
We all know what the "correct" message of islam is thank you.
Naseem:
You say that the Bible is in your view an "important works" (Bible of course meaning library containing many individual works such as letters etc.) -- but I'm not sure what you mean by "important work(s)."
Is the merely philosophy or literature in your understanding?
You also say
"Also Isa Muzzi was a prophet highly regarded by muslims ...but Muhammed (pbuh) was the last.. with Allah's (SWT) message of shining light" --
I would like to inquire as to why you would not use Jesus' Aramaic name Yeshua -- since he was after all, of Hebrew extraction and Aramaic specifically?
I'm clear on the origin of the name "Isa Muzzi," but unlike the Greek form of Yeshua which is translated "Jesus," the use of "Isa Muzzi" has other implications.
I know what the muftis think, but I would like to know what you, Naseem, thinks.
Also, in your understanding Naseem, if Jesus was a prophet as you indicate that you believe -- do you view him as simply a teacher?
Finally, I would infer from your statement:
"Note that for a brief period I was schooled in a country where they had "assembly" in the mornings twice a week where only christian prayers were said, so I do know some of the "morning is broken like the 1st morning" and "while shepards wash their flocks by night" hymns, I had to do my own prayers at home!!!!"
that your experience and education regarding Christian thought is decided limited -- what other exposure to Christianity have you had?
Thank you for your openess.
Mr. Witness, I would abide by the ruling that these "committees" make. For me setting up the committee is absolutely crucial.
You see for the 1st time Islamic scolars would get global respect but more importantly for the 1st time thier "collective ass" will be on the line....i.e. you are not some Mufti speaking in a mosque...you are globally representing Islam.
I'm sure that there will be lots of in-fighting to get a message that is united...but then that is the whole point...for too long we have waited for a caliph ..who may come eventually...but my people are suffering today.
Re-garding Christian knowledge...there were Religios Eduation classes (twioc a week) for a year that I had to attend but I didn't complain.
Naseem:
Then, you are not free to discuss what you think individually, since it has not been approved by an islamic committe. I appreciate your unique situation.
If I understand your comments correctly, then the expression of your thoughts on the subject of the Bible or Jesus the Christ in particular, would be percieved by some as a "pronouncement by islam" in general -- which apparently you alone, are not authorized to make.
I know that you are probably in a very dangerous situation in at least one respect, in that if you were to actually "study the Bible" on your own, you would be held accountable by your peers and may even be judged as "converting" to Christianity but some rivals or another -- despite of your purpose of individual research or study of a literary genre.
However, if the muftis regard Jesus, as even a teacher, and the whole of the Bible as merely literature of a particular genre -- then a committe could be formed, perhaps to your satisfaction, to at least study what Jesus taught, especially about himself, and his own stated purpose.
Either Jesus was who he claimed to be or he is a liar in my opinion.
Moreover, you should also realize that not all people who claim to be "Christians" necessarily believe in Jesus or his teachings -- let alone follow him.
Their personal lives vividly reflect that fact and it is a failing not so much of "Christianity" as it is the individual "christian."
In fact, as I see it, the islamic world can not be at war with the "Christian West," simply because the latter does not truely exist as it once did. What exists in its place is really a secular-humanistic world that embodies vestages of the former Christian world of the West.
Indeed, I would suggest that the Caliphate you are awaiting will indeed come -- but you may be surprised by who you find coming.
Now in your case, I will infer from what you imparted here, that your understanding of what Jesus taught or what the "essence of Christianity" is supposed to be, is extremely limited -- and in your situation you will never truely know more.
I assure you, I do understand and appreciate your circumstances.
Therefore in brief, what Jesus taught and what Christianity is supposed to be, is simply this:
God who created all things, loved you Naseem, so much, that He willing became man like you, and subsequently gave up His own life for you. It's that simple.
So by accepting Father's act of love for you and believeing it to be so, you have eternal life and are reconciled to Him.
You can't earn reconciliation or eternal life through any works; no amount of study can make you better prepared to recieve it; no amount of prayers can make you worthy of it -- the gift of eternal life and reconciliation to God is already yours.
God did everything for you already -- all you do is accept it and take it from Him.
If you accept it your own mind and heart -- then it is done. You have nothing to fear from the islamic committees -- God is the only one you need to fear.
In summary, that is what Christianity is supposed to be about.