"The verdict of Allah Almighty." Tell me again how God is glorified by brutality and murder. Dangerous workers on school and water projects here neutralized; the mujahedin must be congratulating each other tonight. From AP:
CAIRO, Egypt - An Internet statement purportedly by a group which claimed to have kidnapped two Italian aid workers in Iraq said Wednesday it had killed the women. The Web site posting could not be immediately verified....The Italians, Simona Pari and Simona Torretta, both 29, were seized from their Baghdad offices by armed militants on Sept. 7. They worked for "Un Ponte Per ..." ("A Bridge to ...") and were involved in school and water projects in Iraq.
"We in the Jihad Organization of Iraq declared that the verdict of God Almighty against the two Italian prisoners has been carried out, by slaughtering them," the statement said.
Meanwhile, we're getting a lot of email tonight, in English and Italian, assuming we are a pro-jihad site on the side of these bloody barbarians. Please note that this is an anti-jihad site, dedicating to raising public awareness of the global jihad in the name of equality of human rights for all.
How much ismlamist brutality can the world take before the world sees islamism as a real totalitarian threat, to be retailiated with brutality in turn.
These men say murdering two women there to GIVE all iraq's people clean water is a ethicaly/morally valid. But they know such a statment is absurd. They just want to kill us like the nazis wanted to kill the jews. That is the only reality and truth behind these murders. Before the islamists were saying that you had to work for the US miliatry in some capacity to be taken hostage and murdered. Now it aid workers to be butchered. Surpise!!! One excuse doesnt apply so they just bring up another. The germans used to say lies/falsehoods to justify murdering the jews.
The islamists like the nazies hope the west will beleive their absurdities/excuses (for murdering us) so we will accept their atrocities.
WELL WAKE UP WESTERM MEDIA!!!! WE IN THE 21ST CENTRUY ARE THE NEW JEWS. WE ARE TO BE EXTERMINATED OR TURNED INTO SLAVES. OUR HOLOCAUST IS IN THE MAKING RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS THE MEDIA DOING TO STOP US ENDING UP IN THE OVENS!!! IDENTIFY THE ISLAMIST THREAT...NOW!!!!
The Council on American-Islamic Relations at a news conference Wednesday said the deportation [of cat stevens] "sends a message to the Islamic world that even those who seek peace and condemn terror are not fit to enter the United States."
Damn right. If ANYONE is a muslim, they are not fit for ANYTHING let alone entering the United States. When the hell are we going to permanently 'silence' CAIR? How much more obvious should cair's statement show the citizenry/government/security agencies/defense department/assasins of the USA just which side of this war cair is on? How many more comments must cair's bastards make before the government or SOMEONE eliminates them? If cair is not the islamist's 5th column in the USA, what is? Why are those three bastards still able to say ANYTHING about ANYTHING?
Be warned Islamists everywhere. If you push the west too far, you could push it over the cliff into a ideology that is in no way accomadating to you in ANY WAY. In europe socio-economic stress and hatred for foreigners is growing. The far right (and left in germany) is rising from the grave.I don't approve of this hatred but it is growing... focusing specificaly on islamic immmigrants. Far right parties are growing in strength in europe in direct response to your brutality because mainstream liberal democratic parties are generally ignoring and appeasing the threat. The door in europe to future Milosevics is slowly being prised open by your Islamist ideology and the mostrous evil it incites in you. As your atrocities grow in number and severity westerners will likewise loose their tolerance of you. Be warned you are paving the way to your sure destruction. For if the european countries beleive democracy has failed them (by ignoring the islamist threat till it is too late) they will not choose an islamic dictorship over a western one. Ali Dasti is right about this. Milosevics/strong men will appear everywhere in europe to hunt you down with brutality. Who will save you IF the whole of europe turns against you. Do you think the US will interviene to save you monsters? Do you think the US will go to war with a heavily nuclear armed europe for your sakes?
YOU ARE AS COMPLETELY STUPID AS YOU ARE EVIL.
I have fought the instinct to justify mass casualties in this conflict. I have thought how much against my core values such a reaction might be. But here it is, folks. We all know they're going to keep doing this. Harry Truman did the math. I think it's time that we did as well.
It necessitates new ways to deal with these unspeakable BARABARIANS.
On Tuesday, Candidate John Kerry claimed that if there’s no change in Washington’s policy in Iraq there are but two alternatives available - either “a war with no end” there, or else a US withdrawal during his first term in the White House. However, there’s at least one further option: US VICTORY (generally impossible for Leftists to conceive of).
In order to secure this desirable conclusion, the Allies will be compelled to jettison a number of fruitless and untenable means of addressing the conflict in Iraq (and beyond it, the strife across the dar el-Islam) - such as the “hearts’n’minds” approach and “proportionality” - and to adopt other techniques, of a more drastic stripe, grounded in a much sounder appreciation of the foul Enemy’s atavistic mentality and how to prevail over it.
For instance, if it’s CERTAIN, RELIABLY confirmed as 100% POSITIVE, that the sadistic terrorist-chieftain Abu-Musa el-Zarqawi’s DEFINITELY in (say) Faluja, an unadorned message ought to thoroughly blanket that town, at 9am: “Unless Zarqawi and every one of his men come out, with their hands up, by NOON TODAY, then an atomic warhead will drop on the city on the dot of midday”. - And if he and his brutal gang don’t emerge and give up, within the three hours given, an ICBM IS duly LAUNCHED straight at it without delay, as promised.
A piece of unequivocal advice should then go out to the Arab and Moslem sphere (whatever the result of this ultimatum, whether compliance or vapourization) to follow up: “There are plenty of nukes ready, as many as required, right now. They can be fired off - or not - until unconditional surrender has been physically obtained from ALL TERRORISTS. Abandon Jihadism and its proponents, at once and forever, or soon, surely, be obliterated. No trace whatsoever of you will be left, you won’t even see - let alone get the slightest chance to oppose - your Executioner”.
BEFORE the Islamo-fascists/Jihadis acquire nuclear arms, this radical means, forthwith, would ABORT the “War on Terror” (WWIV!) from spreading and escalating, probably with minimal casualties - all non-Coalition - if placed next to the immense quantity, of both sides, who would otherwise perish if the War is to carry on for decades - as it WILL if this isn’t done....
The Italian language reflects historic experiences with Muslims. One well-known phrase is "Mamma li turchi!" -- "Mamma, the Turks" -- which is used as a mock-scare, which might be likened to "the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming" of 40 years ago. It was not really "the Turks" but the Arabs of North Africa who carried out raids of murder and pillage up and down the Italian coast (both sides) for centuries.
Still another Italian phrase of note is "fare i salamelecchi" -- literally, to make or do salaam-aleikums -- that is, to go salaam-salaam in the grovelling obsequious manner of the Muslim wishing to court you, in order to separate you from your allowance, or at a later stage, to separate your head from your neck. For the old phrase certainly reflected reality: in the Italian experience, Muslms (for that is what was meant even by "turchi") were people who "were at your feet or at your throat."
In Iraq today they are "at your throat." Tomorrow, at the local mosque in France, or England, or just down the street in your American city, a smiling imam facendo i salamelecchi, licking your boots, will greet you and explain how horrified he was, truly horrified, by these people who have "hijacked a great religion." And he will smile, and his eyes will look directly at you, so frank and open and honest, and he will lick your boots, facendo i salamelecchi. But one place it will no longer work is in the country where the phrase comes from -- Italy. There, he knows, with these killings, of two young women who were not soldiers, and had been in Iraq for a long time attempting only to help civilians (but never fully comprehending the belief-system that prompted the people whom they had come to help, being unable to plumb their mental wellsprings). They were Infidels; their lives could be used to hurt an Infidel regime. That is all that mattered. This lesson, at this point, will not have been lost on Italians. And whatever they think of Berlusconi, whatever they think of Bush, they will be much more receptive, as they should be, as everyone should be, to the message of Oriana Fallaci -- and in a few months or a year, to that of Bat Ye'or. Scales are lifting from eyes everywhere. Salameleccare all you want, cunning apologists with your souk-seller's smiles --once it would have worked. No longer. the unwary Infidels have learned a lesson they will not forget. The jig, one suspects, is up.
I didn't think this was going to happen because they were so obviously risking themselves to render humanitarian aid exclusively....and they were female.
Il MIO CUORE ROMPE PER LA PERDITA DI QUESTE 2 BELLE DONNE! COME PIANGIAMO maggio che i NOSTRI CUORI CRESCONO FORTE PER FARE CHE DOBBIAMO FARE A DESTORY QUESTO MALVAGIO RICORDA ITALIA che i NOSTRI CUORI PIANGONO COME BENE!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Italy Too give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
WHAT MONSTER COWARDS WHO KILL WOMEN WHO WERE THERE TO HELP THE IRAQI PEOPLE SHAME SHAME ON ALL ISLAM WHO SUPPORTS THIS GOD WILL SEE YOUR EVIL AND JUDGE YOU WHO SUPPORT THESE MONSTERS ALL!
Afrafaste says:
"I didn't think this was going to happen because they were so obviously risking themselves to render humanitarian aid exclusively....and they were female."
What a freaking joke you are! Welcome to your future!
Wives and children are nothing but fodder for these freaks.
Remember Beslan?
Wake up!
Dusting off Mein Kampf for a re-read. As much as I detest Hitler, these beheading make me think that he was on to something regarding final solutions.
He merely targeted the wrong group
because I don't think the Jews ever were credited with these kinds of atrocites as a rule in recent memory.
While I detest NAZIs for several reasons that I will not delve into for the moment, I am seduced by the notion that the factories may once again need to be fired up so as to rid the world of all these islamic pigs and their supporters.
Hate to admit to thinking along these lines but I don't see a viable alternative.
I want to believe that all men possess the basic desire to raise happy children in a kind and free environment. After viewing the celebrated beheading and execution video and reading so much support of these acts from the Islamic populous both at home and abroad, I am struggling to continue believing these virtues are really universal. ALL MUST SEE THESE VIDEOS! We must not turn away from this active war against the innocent western civilian. We must join in this so called "holy war", the sooner-the better. We welcome the same people rejoicing these acts into our society, tax free, with rights and education while they SECRETLY, COWARDLY celebrate beheading our families. Anyone could easily surprise at gunpoint the jihadi family living in THIS country, claim they're guilty of living, and kill them all BY SAWING OF THIER HEADS while filming to post for their families at home. I feel so deeply sickened by the massive support these acts have generated, we must RISE AND FIGHT BACK. I don't support Bush or approve of everything my country does, but we must all whole heartedly support this war against our families. They ALL truly want our families dead.
This is only a test. A test to test my HTML tactics.
These pathetic excuses for human beings once again show the rest of the world how pathetic and backward this scourge called Islam is.
As an Italian (born) I feel very sorry for their now devatsated families in Italy, I know how close Italian families are for their own.
And what crime did these two young women commit so that these butchers could carry out "The verdict of God"?...... they were there to help out the Iraqi people on humanitarian work.
What infuriates me the most though is that if and when these creatures are caught and "manhandled by some irate soldiers"....the usual bleeding heart, left leaning cowards will end up making them the victims....
Germany is a particularly bad example when it comes to fighting against the Jihadis. I've been born and bred in Germany so I guess I know the country rather well. The main problem is that the German Left and Right have two common enemies - namely the US and Israel. In that regard there's not a huge a difference between the two radical wings which may sound surprising to some.
Few mainstream politicians are openly hostile towards Israel but there's enough criticism of Israel's policies to suggest that a rift is developing. I don't think there's a more politically correct society in the world than Germany.
I have started my personal war against radical Islam by telling friends and colleagues about this website. I always wanted to emigrate to the UK at some stage but nowadays I find it inevitable that I have to leave Europe altogether if I want to live in peace. Let's hope the new EU member countries (and Russia) with a lesser need for being politically correct can change European policy - especially regarding a full EU membership of Turkey which would be the final straw.
WHY WE NEED JIHADWATCH!
I am disgusted that the media continues to refer to these people as the victims of 'kidnapping'. These are gruesome murders deliberately targeting defenseless civilians because they are non-muslims. Nothing less than vile displays of a barbaric 'religion' that is constantly at the center of atrocity, forever needing the defense apologists.
The sanitized, sugar-coated, islam that is force-fed to us by the PC media and academia is having an increasingly difficult time masking the stench of the truth. You want to see 'pious' muslims acting faithfully according to the commands of their scriptures, clergy, and 'prophet'? Take a look at the videos of Armstrong and Hensley's murders (www.ogrish.com).
Normally I wouldn't urge anyone to view such horror, but these men were husbands, fathers, brothers - like so many murdered in the name of 'allah' and quietly accepted and even celebrated by millions of muslims. Some of whom live in your community.
This is not paranoid McCarthyism, this is the face of islam. The same islam your friendly neighbors and colleagues practice. Sure, they may truly be as disgusted by these acts as you are, but at the end of the day their sympathy, and allegiance, is with these 'extremists' and not with you, the infidel.
More than one individual have I turned on to Jihadwatch. We owe it to the countless millions who have suffered under islam to educate ourselves concerning the threat it poses. One need only view the headlines to see that the threat is real. It's been around far longer than the United States has existed, and no action on behalf of the U.S., Israel, or any infidel concession will ever abate it.
The danger is real. We must fight it.
This deed distresses
the poetess
and she sees:
Oriana's valiant spirit
rise from her frail body
and explode into energy,
out to the ether
to fall back upon us
like rain to a parched field,
and we are inspired to think,
to create, to make, to act
to save humanity,
and we are grateful
to Italy, its beauty, its art
and its part in our drama
where heroes and heroines
stil die by the tribal sword,
and show us how depraved
man can be when deprived
of guidance for the mind and heart.
May their souls rest in peace.
Yes, Belisarius, we all feel the danger is real
and that we must fight, especially with ideas,
and words, like jihad, must be in common use.
Mobots think in a box, and once we know that box,
we can think outside it. That's one of our strengths, don't forget.
I still say,for each muslim beheading,we should execute one thousand of them,and close down,permanently,all mosques in the country from which the victim was.
Muslim immigration to western countries should be out of the question and the existing ones,deported in totality.
Extreme situations require extreme solutions,and it seems that we are facing an extreme situation ,throughout the civilized world.
The de-islamization of America is coming very soon.
That so many police department military reservists and National Guardsmen are in the ME simplifies the task greatly.
adela and how will this make muslims submit to you?
nazi's tried similar tactics in the balkins and in russia it did NOTHING! this will only make more people extremists because they will be enraged.
the only solution for the middle east is simple raise the quality of living up for all people in the middle east so that the desire to lash out and attack the west ends. once people have a good life they are happy. the raise a family, go to the beach, have picnics that sort of thing live a normal life.
personally while i hate bush i suspect that this is his strategy as well.
so please shutup with the nazi crap
Woe to anyone that has Islam as a neighbor! Even aide workers, attempting to dispense charity, to help are killed because they are infidels. However, it was more than that. They were killed because they were infidels dispensing charity, humiliating Muslims in their own country because they are forced to accept aide at the hands of infidels. See the irony.
Close all mosques, round up all in the West, deport or intern them, even the native born, as next they will go for our necks.
by the way it has not been verified that they have been killed. this comes from a post on some website so until there is proof please try and calm down it is not good for your mental state to be constantly in a fit of rage...
Before the Scandanavians became PC leftists and cowards, their ancestors had a solution to the Muslim problem. (May take 10-15 sec to load.)
"once people have a good life they are happy. the raise a family, go to the beach, have picnics that sort of thing live a normal life."
I guess Frank Zappa was right, the fundamental building block of the universe is not hydrogen, it's stupidity.
Riboflavin
You said "until there is proof please try and calm down it is not good for your mental state to be constantly in a fit of rage..."
I understand what you said but even if these people are still alive (despite the news on tv and radio saying that they are dead) we are sick to death of all the others that have been executed for doing bugger all and the countless others who will be murdered. Remember the 12 Nepalese who were executed for just being Nepalese...I see a genocidal act there and I don't want to shut up about it. The murderers didn't even ask for anything for their release...they just butchered them like cattle. If we can't express ourr anger/outrage here where can we say it...we can't go to the town square anymore to express ourselves as we would probably be arrested for just expressing our opinions so as not to offend islamists. Shutting up was what helped the nazies get away with silently exterminating the Jews. THE NEPALESE AND COUNTLESS OTHERS ARE DEAD. NO WAY ARE WE GOING TO CALM DOWN ABOUT THIS....PEOPLE ARE BEING BUTCHERED...IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS INACTION ISN'T VERY HELPFULL...THEIR HEADS ARE BEING SLOWLY HACKED OFF WITH KNIVES...IF IT WERE YOU HAVING YOUR HEAD HACKED OFF WOULD YOU WANT US TO BE QUIET ABOUT IT...THAT IS VERY UNHEALTHY FOR YOU...MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE WANT TO DO SOMETHING..EVEN IF ALL THAT IS IS FIGHT WITH WORDS. YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM.
Riboflavin.
So you think that improving their quality of life is the answer? With all the quazzillions of US dollars headed to the Middle East every year in Petro Dollars, this has NOT happened, so why should we pay for it?
Secondly the Muslims in these countries have had...oh about the same timeas we in the west have to more or less catch up to living standards.
Now Asia has overtaken them in quality of life as well.
Not to mention the opportunities that Muslims in Wetsrn lands have and Enjoy.
I dont know but I seem to have the impression that where ever these people go trouble and hostility comes with them...or is this just a "few"...somehow I dont think so, and If it were, then these would only be the "Vocla" few the rest give them the underlying support in many other ways.
Then Why have they not made much progress in life??? what does the Middle east export (other than Oil)???
Why are they so hell bent on living in the mire of an ancient era?...or are they victims of their religion and their religious leaders?
Who said they want beaches, Pic nics, Movies, Music, dancing, Wealth, materialism,??? they cn have all those things if they want...they just choose NOT to want them.....and torch the rest of us who do.
Hmmmm. This IS interesting. The Russian Response to Terror, and that of some others...
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/emmetttyrrell/et20040923.shtml
I don't really think that any of the above solutions would work. These SOBs don't care about human life so why would killing a 100 or a 1000 ragheads work? They would just use it as a propaganda victory in our all too complicit press.
What would work though is this: run videos of the beheadings on Iraqi tv with a speaker in the background taunting all Arabs. (It takes 5 ragheads to kill an American and he has to be tied up before they can do so, ragheads are cowards, arabs can't win against Jews or Christians unless their victim is tied up and the ragheads have a knife and 4 AK47s just in case he works loose from his bindings etc.)
The one thing we do know about ragheads is that while their sense of honor is vastly different and inferior to ours, it is also something that can be used to manipulate them. At this time, ragheads see the beheadings as a courageous act of striking against the infidels and as a way of "bravely" tweaking the superpower's nose. This all changes when you make each of these attacks look like the act of a coward and call them cowards to their face. This makes an act of "heroism" into an insult to all muslims. Ragheads will do the stupidest things to avoid being called dishonorable as many women in the middle east find out every year when they are killed by their own families because they were alone with a strange man, even if they did not have sex. When each beheading is followed by an American response questioning the manhood of all ragheads, eventually they will do something stupid and get caught or their countrymen will do something to restore their own honor in the eyes of the world.
However, if there must be any killing, why do we talk about killing a thousand faceless schmucks? What I would LOVE to see is the families of Zarqawi and his known associates (3 generations each way: parents, grandparents, uncles, cousins, kids, grandkids, and maybe throw in their family gardeners too) sitting in jumpsuits in front of 5 hooded marines who have a flag with a Cross and Star of David under which is written Kus Rabak Mohamad(c**t of your god mohamad) in arabic. I would pay to see that video. This would be justice. These are the people who support Zarqawi in his endeavours and who set him on his path. They deserve to reap what they have sown. These are probably the only people whose deaths would make an impact on Zarqawi. Toss in a promise to spare the life of any defector and his family, and you start seeing the possibilities. Its one thing to sacrifice your own life. Its another to make sure none of your blood relatives will ever see the "triumph of the ummah."
I don't really think that any of the above solutions would work. These SOBs don't care about human life so why would killing a 100 or a 1000 ragheads work? They would just use it as a propaganda victory in our all too complicit press.
What would work though is this: run videos of the beheadings on Iraqi tv with a speaker in the background taunting all Arabs. (It takes 5 ragheads to kill an American and he has to be tied up before they can do so, ragheads are cowards, arabs can't win against Jews or Christians unless their victim is tied up and the ragheads have a knife and 4 AK47s just in case he works loose from his bindings etc.)
The one thing we do know about ragheads is that while their sense of honor is vastly different and inferior to ours, it is also something that can be used to manipulate them. At this time, ragheads see the beheadings as a courageous act of striking against the infidels and as a way of "bravely" tweaking the superpower's nose. This all changes when you make each of these attacks look like the act of a coward and call them cowards to their face. This makes an act of "heroism" into an insult to all muslims. Ragheads will do the stupidest things to avoid being called dishonorable as many women in the middle east find out every year when they are killed by their own families because they were alone with a strange man, even if they did not have sex. When each beheading is followed by an American response questioning the manhood of all ragheads, eventually they will do something stupid and get caught or their countrymen will do something to restore their own honor in the eyes of the world.
However, if there must be any killing, why do we talk about killing a thousand faceless schmucks? What I would LOVE to see is the families of Zarqawi and his known associates (3 generations each way: parents, grandparents, uncles, cousins, kids, grandkids, and maybe throw in their family gardeners too) sitting in jumpsuits in front of 5 hooded marines who have a flag with a Cross and Star of David under which is written Kus Rabak Mohamad(c**t of your god mohamad) in arabic. I would pay to see that video. This would be justice. These are the people who support Zarqawi in his endeavours and who set him on his path. They deserve to reap what they have sown. These are probably the only people whose deaths would make an impact on Zarqawi. Toss in a promise to spare the life of any defector and his family, and you start seeing the possibilities. Its one thing to sacrifice your own life. Its another to make sure none of your blood relatives will ever see the "triumph of the ummah."
I don't really think that any of the above solutions would work. These SOBs don't care about human life so why would killing a 100 or a 1000 ragheads work? They would just use it as a propaganda victory in our all too complicit press.
What would work though is this: run videos of the beheadings on Iraqi tv with a speaker in the background taunting all Arabs. (It takes 5 ragheads to kill an American and he has to be tied up before they can do so, ragheads are cowards, arabs can't win against Jews or Christians unless their victim is tied up and the ragheads have a knife and 4 AK47s just in case he works loose from his bindings etc.)
The one thing we do know about ragheads is that while their sense of honor is vastly different and inferior to ours, it is also something that can be used to manipulate them. At this time, ragheads see the beheadings as a courageous act of striking against the infidels and as a way of "bravely" tweaking the superpower's nose. This all changes when you make each of these attacks look like the act of a coward and call them cowards to their face. This makes an act of "heroism" into an insult to all muslims. Ragheads will do the stupidest things to avoid being called dishonorable as many women in the middle east find out every year when they are killed by their own families because they were alone with a strange man, even if they did not have sex. When each beheading is followed by an American response questioning the manhood of all ragheads, eventually they will do something stupid and get caught or their countrymen will do something to restore their own honor in the eyes of the world.
However, if there must be any killing, why do we talk about killing a thousand faceless schmucks? What I would LOVE to see is the families of Zarqawi and his known associates (3 generations each way: parents, grandparents, uncles, cousins, kids, grandkids, and maybe throw in their family gardeners too) sitting in jumpsuits in front of 5 hooded marines who have a flag with a Cross and Star of David under which is written Kus Rabak Mohamad(c**t of your god mohamad) in arabic. I would pay to see that video. This would be justice. These are the people who support Zarqawi in his endeavours and who set him on his path. They deserve to reap what they have sown. These are probably the only people whose deaths would make an impact on Zarqawi. Toss in a promise to spare the life of any defector and his family, and you start seeing the possibilities. Its one thing to sacrifice your own life. Its another to make sure none of your blood relatives will ever see the "triumph of the ummah."
To 49vq89
Good idea... I think having a program where the iraqi's are forced to constantly watch the sickening behaviour of their islamist heroes (for some iraqi's that is) might work. The US psych/ops, using knowledge of Iraqi's sense of pride/honour, could develope a program that deflates Islamists self esteem, showing islamists to be monsters. The US uses these techniques to some degree but I don't think they are bombarding the iraqi media as much as they should. We need a big propaganda media tool to compete against and neutralise those al-jazerra people. However we can still get tough against the islamists by sending more troops or publicly donating significant ammounts of weapons to the iraqi army or israel in response to every westerner murdered. If the islamists then see their actions as materially harming their cause they will acknoweledge it and back off (I think) in reaction to it. Killing muslims in retaliation to westerners deaths would just enrage muslims more....we need to use retaliations that are much tougher and specific to harming the islamists only. How about locking up all the muslims who incite murder and commit treason in the west for starters. We remember what treason is don't we. It is supposed to be a big crime demanding long sentences for offenders. It is pathetic that we are not using these tools against these bastards.
Afrafaste says:
"I didn't think this was going to happen because they were so obviously risking themselves to render humanitarian aid exclusively....and they were female."
What a freaking joke you are! Welcome to your future!
Wives and children are nothing but fodder for these freaks.
Remember Beslan?
Wake up!
Posted by: Moe's Foe at September 22, 2004 10:49 PM
*nod*....I thought perhaps the mixture of their
bravery, selflessness, not being American....and
much time had gone by. But you're right; I accept
the rebuke.
riboflavin Posted:
“the only solution for the middle east is simple raise the quality of living up for all people in the middle east so that the desire to lash out and attack the west ends. once people have a good life they are happy. the raise a family, go to the beach, have picnics that sort of thing live a normal life”
Did you forget Ribo that Moslems live in the Middle east. The don’t like family or picnics or normal living.
They do like to behead people, wine about being a victim, cheat, steal, rape, murder, pedophilia,
wife beatings, bestiality. Etc....
I have been trying to see from your point of view, but am finding it difficult to get my cranium in my rectum.
How about some internment camps for our peace loving friends, then they can live in peace in the Mojave desert... It will remind them of home under the taliban...
No Islam, Know Peace.
Moslems are like crickets they make a lot of noise until you step on them!
No Democrats in the White House, we dont need another panty gate!
Surround Falluja, let only women and children out who want to come out, then level the town.
Another beheading? Move on to Ramala and do the same. Then Najaf, and Karbala and where ever else the rats live. GW, you may not be able to wait 6 more weeks!
RIBOFLAVIN
You are as ridiculous as your name. Many Islamic countries are rich in natural resources as well as gas and oil but LIVING ACCORDING TO ISLAM keeps them poor, backward and always asking the West for help. [This is one of the reasons they hate us particularly America - Nothing is so bitter as the bread of charity]. Being absolute SLAVES to the Koran and its absurd decrees which dictates everything from what hand to wipe your bum with, farting and your sex life [if you're allowed to have any apart from being able to shag
goats and camels] to five times a day rectums raised trying to placate their MOON/ROCK GOD AND PEDOPHILE PROPHET... Since jokes music, dancing[anything normal is frowned upon,] a Muslim's entertainment consists of stonings, beheadings and amputations. That and monotous readings from
the Koran. Is it any wonder such a Death Cult produces psychopaths and butchers?? Young men are not interested in 9-5 employment when they can rape, torture and kill on Jihad with Allah's blessings. Defend this poor excuse for a religion
but we shall not.
Look, I agree, the deaths of the two italian women, not to mention the deaths of everyone else, are atrocities. However, declaring a univeral hatred for people who practice the Islamic faith is no more the answer than Hitler declaring that Jews were the cause of problems in Germany. The thing is, neither side is perfect. We in the west, we are doing things that aren't right. We are trying to impose our ways upon the Islam world for our benefit, not theirs. Our lifestyle, and their lifestyle are not the same. It is not to say that one is better than the other, it is simply a matter of different. For to long we have taken to the misconception that different is synonomis with inferior. We have reached a point in the world where we must acknowledge that this is not true.
First, Jihad is not Holy War.
It is not the goal of the Islamic community to overtake the Western world. In fact, historically, it is the western world who has made attempts on the Islamic community, based on an arrogant sense of superiority that seems to be built into most of the Western world. By the way, All people of Arabic descent are not practicioners of Islam. A practicioner of Islam is Muslim.
To declare that the Iraqi people do not appreciate us trying to give them freedom is ridiculous. Freedom cannot be given. We can do our best to hold a door open for another to achieve freedom, but it cannot be given. That which is freedom cannot be forced, that negates the freedom of choice, once the freedom to choose the path to one's own destiny is negated then that which is offered ceases to be freedom, and becomes the only thing that it can become:repression. The thing is the people in Iraq are more than aware of what repression is, they know it from experience. They can recognize it from smell, taste, sight and sound. The fact that they refer to us as occupiers is not as unreasonable as it sounds. For us to insist upon staying in a country that we have declared there's, when they ask us to leave, should bring chills down your spine, if you think about that individual who comes into your home, and refuses to leave, no matter what you say or do, and seems oblivious to the fact that they were never invited there in the first place, but seems quite determined that they know how to arrange your house better than you do. That's us, we're the visitor in someone else's house, and we won't leave.
It's important to understand the Islam faith before making judgements about what is happening there. It is an integral part of what is occurring in the world today. I don't mean understand the Islam faith based off of our twisted media, or even off of what the government says. It is of vital importance to actually understand the faith.
But, please, could we avoid another world war? Could we stop spouting off about creating another holocost, it was wrong the first time, it will be wrong every time. Could we possibly do a little bit of intelligent research into what is actually occuring, so that perhaps we could learn something, and therefore not keep doing the same thing over and over again.
May I recommend reading some neutral information regarding the Holy Wars? Perhaps a little reading of the Quran, set it next to the Bible, and see if you can find matching passages in each, it's not very hard to find them.
It is so very important to understand the Islamic views regarding globalization, and how each nation can peacefully interact with one another.
Quick question for all of you bloodthirsty so-called "Christians" here, then my comment. What makes your fantasies and paranoias any different from the Islamic fundamentalists you hate so much?
This writings on this board seem like the same I can imagine in another part of the world, just replace the people you want to wipe out with others, change the countries you want to turn to parking lots around and its the same thing. Different language same expressions. Same mind set too. You feel threatened, afraid of losing power, afraid of people.
911 gave all of you a nice outlet to vent your frustrations. Now you have a nice target to vent your hatred. You scream for blood the same way the Islamic fundamentalists do. You complete the circle of violence and you can replace your feelings of inadequacy with the self impowering hate and bloodlust. I am sure Jesus would be proud of you. You are a mirror image of the obduration taking place all over. Late at night or when the boss is away (if by chance you are working) you find the time and energy to slink over here and compete as to whom has a better idea to "finish off" these people, who has a better way of avenging death by slaughtering people in Falluja. You all sound like bin-laden. You are simply very scared people. You worry more about your jobs and mortgages at night, but here with the "threat" of islam you can lash out with anonymity, safe behind the glow of your monitor. Most likely most of you never travelled or even know any Muslims. If you really dared to stand behind your bloody childish rants you would use your real names.
marlo687
You said:
"It is not the goal of the Islamic community to overtake the Western world."
The problem with you statement is the leaders of alot of islamic/islamist communities/mosques in europe are complete nutcases who ARE saying that they do want to take over the western world, destroy it, and supplant western freedoms with sharia and the like. Many of these people have links with terrorists. Say what you will about the west with its democracy and the UN Charter for Human Rights but I don't think these western ideas are even remotely equivalent to islamist ideals like cracking peoples heads open with rocks for adultery, apostacy etc. Make a choice...sexual and religious freedom or denial of these. THESE TWO ALTERNATE CONCEPTS/BELEIFS ARE NOT EQUAL. WHAT ARE YOU...AN ISLAMIST?
You said:
"For us to insist upon staying in a country that we have declared there's, when they ask us to leave, should bring chills down your spine,"
Are you serious about that above statment. The majority of IRAQI'S DON'T want the US to leave in polls...becuase iraqi's know the result would be horrific for them...they dont want another dictaorship or a theocracy. How would the US leaving Iraq benefit the Iraqi's???? HOW!!!!!! Do you mean when the US leaves and is unable to ensure deomcracy in iraq the country can then become a human rights monstrosity like Talibanland? Iran or Saudi Arabia with its beheading people whenever they want to be sexually or relgiously free...women made second class citizens in law and reality. Corrupt clerics ripping the guts out of the economy to enrich only themselves with impunity becuase their are no higher bodies than the clerics to stop them, all resulting in their countries becoming socio-economic basket cases.
To SiouxWarrior
I agree some here go very much over the top, however people (including me) would be very unwise to release our names or adresses etc. People are being murdered by nut case islamists (TRUE PROVEN psychopathic seriAl killers) for far less, such as just breathing. I know there are alot of islamist nuts viewing this site, and some would love to post us violent hatemail and telephone me with death threats just to give themselves a thrill. I don't want his for myself. If you think releasing our names is a good idea then shouldn't you tell us your name, adress etc? NO...you shouldn't...it would be very unwise.
I am more afraid of crazy ignorant white trash than any muslim, I live in NYC, the prime target for any terrorist. Most of these rants most likely from some trailer in fly over country
Christian Fundamentalist=Islamic Fundamentalist
both are right, everyone else is wrong and should either convert or die.
obl r us - You beat me to a response to both Sioux Warrior and mario687. I add to mario that we DO our homework and are not inanely spouting off.
We do believe that there's a movement to turn the world into an Islamic state
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15169
SiouxWarrior - You articulate your own anger and frustration on other threads about Native American persecution which, I agree is unfortunate. Have you looked into the persecution of Muslims against non-Muslims? Perhaps you would understand our concern about the move to make Islam triumphant against all non-Muslims. (Perhaps gleefully you would cheer if this does happen.) Most of us would welcome Muslims under the right conditions.
stop it with the frontpagemag its crap.
my advice for you is to travel, outside the U.S. and actually talk with people. You might gain some humanity
Siouxwarrior
Ad hominem arguments are not going to gain you anything. Of course some posters are extreme - this is the Internet. The fact that some go over the top should not however disguise the fact that this site it making a serious point: 'The biggest single threat to world peace today is Islamic Terrorism.' This should be so blindingly obvious that I wonder that we even have to debate it.
I live in the UK and therefore have no interest in your 'white trash'/urbanite debate. Consider however for a moment the facetiousness of your statement:
* Do white trash divide the world between the world of peace and the world of the sword (i.e. permanent violent conflict)?
* Do white trash follow a 7th century legal code that forbids among other things apostising from the 'white trash way', adultery and blaspemy, All of which carry the death penalty?
* Do white trash take over schools, theatres, planes with a view to killing as many people as possible?
Seems you've been facing the wrong way with your fears. Wake up before the 'peaceful relgion' comes after you!
Posted by: SiouxWarrior
I am more afraid of crazy ignorant white trash than any muslim
Well we here are smart pissed off Americans that are tired of Moslem lies and their death cult, so get out of the way.
Posted by: Marlo687
May I recommend reading some neutral information regarding the Holy Wars? Perhaps a little reading of the Quran, set it next to the Bible, and see if you can find matching passages in each, it's not very hard to find them
I guess I just a dumb Christian, Care to prove your point, if you can?
I would like to see these so called passages from the bible!
go vote BNP
there is white trash in trailers in the U.K.
America unfortunately does not have a monopoly on it.
Siouxwarrior,
The ad hominem argument again. I raised a serious issue. On that is being debated in national newspapers at the moment (cf. Times two weeks ago), your only response is a 'knee jerk' reaction that might have worked a year ago, not anymore. Europe is waking up.
I'm not going to do the I'm not a racist bit, because there is probably no way of me convicing you on this forum. Besides it will derail the whole debate with one of us having to defend his credentials while the issues remain unadressed.
By the way. If Islam is not a race - as Muslims never cease to tell us - how can opposing Islam be racist? The implication of your BNP jibe is therefore very wide of the mark!
Appeaser feed Islam hoping it will eat them last, but it will eat them!
Ridiculous!
You believe that the bogey man has come and will corrupt your dear English way of life. As if your failed attempt at empire was not responsible for countless deaths worldwide all to prop of your Queen and a few inbreds, (whitetrash with money and title)
What about Christian Fundamentalism? I am sure they would put you to death for infidelity and the like as well if they had the chance. My point is, extremism is not limited to one religion.
And the extremism that exists does not represent the whole of either religion. I am sure you are one of those "blokes" more afraid of his daughter/wife getting down and dirty with a Muslim/Blackie/Pakkie than Osama beating down your door.
You are just frightened and belittled.
Do you know me Siouxwarrior? If not, what and who gives you the right to 'profile' me? Is it just a way of not having to face some disturbing thruths about the world, and about it's second largest faith.
You are still not addressing the issue. Which if I can put it in another way is this: "While it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists. Almost all terrorists are Muslim." Why?
Too few people in our world are asking this question because they are afraid of the answer that might await them at the other side.
Of course there are Christian fundies. But they are more your problem than ours. The dear old CofE could not be described as fundamentalist be any stretch of the imagination. Besides when last did you see a headline like: "Methodists hijack plane" or "Another Presbyterian suicide bombing".
So my profile was right, since you did not argue it wasn't.
Terrorism is not limited to one religion, terror is an act.
Early this month I predicted the slaughtering
will increase and peek during the month of Ramadan,that's the holy period for those peace loving Muslims.
The Quran says Muslims can lie during a time of war,Islam has been at war with humanity for over 13 centuries and that's how CAIR gets away with their endless tripe about Islam meaning peace.
I expect Jane Fonda to visit Iraq and show support for those misunderstood good intentioned Jihadists that are only following the example set by Muhammed.
NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
I already told you that I will not indulge you by arguing my credentials. Thus allowing you deflect attention from the issues. In case you don't understand what 'ad hominem' means - it means 'playing the man' and that is what you have consistently been trying to do. Are you here to air and share views or to wind people up because you have nothing original to contribute?
Of course terror is an act, and the vast majority of those who perpetrate acts of terror in the third millenium share one characteristic: They belong to the Islamic faith.
I am well aware of your credentials (raving lunatic, odurate racist, fear mongering, apocalyptic truculent gentleman from Kent)
I do understand what ad hominem refers to.
Caeci caecos ducentes
Siouxwarrior,
Shouting abuse, such a powerful, rational way of getting your point accross. You are clearly demonstrating that you have nothing to say besides being insulting and sticking your fingers in your ears.
You have not even attempted to answer any of the issues I raised.
Your style of 'debate' may work on the playground.
In real life - add substance.
what issues did you raise?
that only muslim fanantics have contributed to the savagery of mankind?
Abuse? You are the one so ready to write off 1 billion people as a death cult. I insulted you? Keep a stiff upper lip. Never complain, never explain.
I did not write anyone off - I also did not propose any radical 'solutions'!
The point that I was trying to make is that contemporary Islam is a destabilising force and a serious threat to world peace.
Acknowledging and addressing this should go some way to help us move towards a better future for the world.
For us in the West 'addressing' it should not mean:
* Fantisizing about a 'final solution'
* Advocating an 'eye for an eye'
* Deportations
It should mean however:
* Pointing out Jihadi influence wherever we see it
* Challenging Muslims to reform Islam from within
* Resisting efforts turn the West into a Jihadi sphere of influence
* Promoting secular ideals within the Muslim World
Why should this be controversial?
ok, I agree with your points above, you must be one of the
reformed or non-radicalized members of this board.
I would also add "CorporateChristian-RightWing-WarProfiteers-NeoCons"
in place of Jihadi-Muslim to above as well and maybe this world could get somewhere.
to sioux warrior, you said:
"stop it with the frontpagemag its crap.
my advice for you is to travel, outside the U.S. and actually talk with people. You might gain some humanity"
I was born and raised in the largest muslim countryin the world as a minority. That country used to be a secular country. Not anymore. It harbors the largest terror network in SE Asia, yet the government doesn't see it as a terrorist organization.. Some in the government are even friends with them.
The non muslims' lives is getting more and more difficult, churches burned, people killed, people worshipping in their homes attacked by thugs - and the moslem population (including the educated ones) think it is ok.
I think you are the one who need to open your eyes. You just don't know how it's like to live as a minority in a muslim country, even one that is 'secular'. I know.
I found this site about 2 months ago, and I'm so glad I did!
Allies
riboflavin , have you learnt NOTHING from the events of the past five years ? Have you learnt NOTHING from your visits to Jihadwatch ? These muslims are not happy just to raise their dozens of children in their own little peaceful islamic hell-holes, they want an Islamic Calipahte stretching, as they say, from ocean to ocean. There was a time when your desperate leftist ideals of "Lets all hold hands and be friendly" might have hoodwinked some of us about appeasing the muslims - but no longer, this is a war to the end. Either Islam is removed from this planet or civilisation as we know it will be gone forever. If you're so convinced that giving these scumbags money will change things go and live in Saudi arabia or iran which both have more than enough money to give their people a decent lifestyle. Go to those hell-holes and see how long your trendy lefty ideals last under the boot of islam. Time for the left to wake up or shut up!
siouxworrier the fake indian isn't really worth the effort but someone has to tell this gonk that not all of on jihadwatch are Christian. Some of us are aethist but under judeo-christian culture we are not punished for being non-believers, under Islam we would be. Therefore as a matter of self-defence I find common cause with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans and all others who choose to resist the sword of islam. Time for you to go and spend the allowance dad has sent you "siouxworrier".
LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM
SIOUX WARRIOR
Don't believe you are one at all : you are a Muslim, your rant sound like Islamonline. PROVE YOU ARE A SIOUX INDIAN BY GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE....
Unbearable to even think what the slathering neanderthals did to these poor, beautiful girls before (and most likely after...)they were butchered.
Al Zaraqwi wants those 2 muslim whores releasing, (like one old fart is worth exchanging for 2 bio-weapon experts) so release them we should, from the roof of a 50 story building. That'll teach these parasites that real humans are sick of their shit, and are going to start sinking to their level if the bloodbath continues.
Fucking savages, not one of them deserves life, we should cut off all food supplies to the Middle East, let the bastards become cannibals or starve, then they see just how "evil" westerners are (if we were as babaric as them, their entire population; women and kids included would have been rounded up and torched long-ago, only liberalism saves their sorry hides, they don't seem to realise that, if we wanted WE COULD WIPE THEM ALL OUT).
I AM PROPOSING WE DO SOMETHING. wE HAVE LEADERS BOUND BY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THE REAL CAUSE OF ALL THE MISERY, ISLAM.
wE HAVE WEAL PEOPLE AMID US, THEY WHINE ' IDENTIFY THE CAUSE OF TERRORISM..BLAH, BLAH. WE WILL NOT SIT DOWN ANYMORE.
Hi PJS1 like you I'm a Brit and couldn't help noticing your exchange with the fake indian "siouxworrier" who thinks he/she/it is the only one to have travelled the world. By his/her insane babbling I think it's safe to say that this is a lonely leftie away from home for the first time at a university or possibly a muslim agitator using the native american thing as a way of gettinfg some kind of sympathy. As you can see from his/her anti-white rants this person is a racist and bigot and it's travel experience probably comes from too many nights watching the discovery channel. An annoying presence on this site for sure but not one to be taken too seriously.
siouxwarrior.
Iv'e heard your arguments over and over again from the typical, angry individual who is angry about the past and is angry about the current oppressions and injustices...blah blah blah.
None of this matters in the current climate of international terrorism. Because unless you are one of them you wont matter, no amount of "understanding their causes" "rationalising their actions" and pointing the finger at the "imperialist west-Christian-Judeo-white-Capitalist trash" will get you their sympathy, once they finish with the others they will come for you...or your kind.
Sit there and feel good about criticising and condemning the "real" culprits, and close your eyes to whats happening...you are only aiding and abetting the enemy.....but then to you, the "enemy" is all relative.
786 is some no. holy to moslems. And this chappie labels himselfmark687, the digits reveres. So, if you're moslem mark, say so intead of opsing as a secular reasonable westerner. It would help clarify the finer points of debate here.
And that sioux warrior guy has repeatedly proven himself to be obstinate, obstructionist and obtuse. No point wasting any more time and effort on such people.
As for riboflavin, that compassionate soul is reeking with mercy for moslems that is meither genuinely appreciated nor returned by moslems.
Hugh's posts on phrases descriibing the truth about moslem cravenness, obsequishness and deception in the Italian language were a fantastic read. Hugh is scholarship incarnate on this site and just reading his posts should serve to enlighten a lot of confused souls who wander over here.
WE are going to defend ourselves. I have no understanding of the terror these hostage underwent during this ordeal I hope there won't be a next hostage. But if it happens i hope they fight to death
I hate this feeling of helplessnes as an evil spreads around the world while our leaders whine. I hate it.. i hate it...
I am willing and ready to do something about it. Not killing, not fireboming mosques. but something more intelligent.
oh, excuse me. Did I crash everyones little hate picnic over here?
Pardon me, go ahead, get your hate on.
Sioux...your are a waste of space......you are so blinded by your own hateful views you dont even know the meaning of it any more.
Any way (and not surprising from the likes of your type) this thread is about the claim that 2 women have been "slaughtered"....go show your sympathies to the culprits on some muslim web site...not here.
Hey sueworrier (I won't besmirch the noble Sioux Nation by using their name on your sad little nickname) you haven't crashed the party - you're just like a tiny, insignificant gnat hovering over an empty picnic basket - one blink of the eye and you're gone. Time to go now little moslem bigot.
two women killed its sad,
but no one even knows how many iraqis were killed today either, all in the effort of "freedom"
two women killed its sad,
but no one even knows how many iraqis were killed today either, all in the effort of "freedom"
It seems that most of the killing in Iraq lately has been carried out by their own. Just cannon fodder for the greater cause of Jihad, but then again why not put Saddam back in to get things back in order.....at least he didnt need "Jihad" as a reason to slaughter the hundreds of thousands of his own.
We're still waiting for something from you in Sioux, Sioux. When are you going to provide the proof of your heritage?
People die, it's the way life works. It is however the depth of depravity to glory in death, and to descend into a nihilistic orgy of destruction of all that is held sacroscant. It's them telling us: "We have nothing to offer, we have no agenda for change, no vision for the future. Instead we destroy. We don our sinister hoods, stare at the camera, and then unleash carnage!"
It seems they find beauty in people gasping for breath. Sustenance in glood spurting over the floor. Comfort in sawing off heads...
Yes, people die. But how many in this way. And at whose hands?
Heaven help us
Hey Gary Gudalefsky (is that your real name?), maybe we can meet face to face?
whats your email?
Sioux~ You would need to go thru Susan_b to get it. Let's see.....
susan_b356@yahoo.com
She is the coordinator for those posting here who wish to make contact with each other.
So you looked at my little bio. That's the first I know of anyone doing so... be honest with me, does it fit anything you expected?
Someone needs to climb down off of their ivory buffalo and get in the mud. Self-loathing won't get you out of having to pick a side when the chips are down. It's not easy being plopped down into a mass of moving history by the accident of birth, but here you are, so pick a side. It's no fair to float above the crowd and point fingers in all directions except one. This thread is about the senseless, horrid death of two innocent women who were actings as humanitarians, and accompaning praise of the religion that not only condones it, but requires it. Sorry you have to be a human and be involved, but you are. You are either against it, or all for it. If you are for it, may I suggest travel to Iran where you can discuss it with the Mullahs just before they hang your sixteen year old daughter, or behead you for being a little to liberal for their liking. Travel can be so broadening.
no typical, fantasy art, D&D role playing, usual hobbies
Ollie--
I'm against innocent killing, but that does not mean i will roll in the mud of hatred with you
Sioux~ never really got into D&D. Our stuff is more along the lines of Lord of the Rings / Dune.
Anyway! My wife needs me to help take stream measurements this morning (stream recovery) and check the minnow traps (two new species found recently, which is a good sign). I'll leave it to you guys to continue the argument...
Sioux, these guys marched with the Nazis. Hilter Liked them. How can you be on their side?
Guys c'mon. Don't treat sue worrier with any respect. The little borg has proved it's racist nature by it's stream of anti- white abuse. Don't feed the trolls - especially liars who hide behind nicknames that are a slight on real native americans.
Two Italian Women Hostages Murdered, UPDATED--make that 'beheaded'
UPDATE 9/23: The Italian government remains skeptical over the claims (story here). I am more confident of the claims. The original abduction was on Sept. 7th. Three days later, a message was left by a group called "Ansar al-Zawahiri", threatened to behead the hostages within 24 hrs and that their bodies would never be found. Today, Reuters reports that Ansar al-Zawahiri will soon release a video of Simona Pari and Simona Torretta being beheaded. I pray that I'm wrong, but suspect that I am not. The religion of irony has struck again.
A group calling itself the Jihad Organisation in Iraq have claimed to have murdered Simona Pari and Simona Torretta (pictured right, click to enlarge). The two Italian women were in Iraq as aid workers helping Iraqi children. They worked for A Bridge to Baghdad an organization that was in Iraq before the war, which attempted to end UN sanctions. May God speed you to his rest, and may his wrath rain down on those who murdered you. According to Reuters the group said:
We in the Jihad Organisation in Iraq announce that God's verdict has been passed on the two Italian prisoners by slaughtering, after the Italian government headed by the vile (Prime Minister Silvio) Berlusconi did not listen to our one condition to withdraw from Iraq," the statement said.
"We warn the Italian government that we will continue to strike, and to strike every foreigner living in Iraq," said the statement, dated September 22.
My previous post and background information is here. As I said in that post "Next thing you know they will be grabbing Mother Theresa's corpse and threatening to behead it."
Today has been a very bad day.
Hat tip: Jon (Is this your blog Jon?)
PS-If anyone has a tip, please e-mail me. Too many comments for me to properly read them all.
Sioux Warrior -
You do not speak for all Indians, whether they be bloods or breeds (I shouldn't need to explain those terms to a professional skin like you) and I for one greatly resent the fact you purport to.
BTW "Sioux" is French. What band are you? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
If you oppose the ideas presented here, then stand up and give your opinion. But let's be clear - this is your opinion and yours alone. You don't speak for me, or for Lori Piestewa, (remember her, Mr. self-appointed "warrior") or any other Indians. Got it?
And by what right do you designate yourself a warrior, anyway? That term means something in Indian country. (You know, that vast "flyover" area to the west of NYC - my home town BTW) You're not just talking to "white trash" here, brother. Time to put up or shut up.
I have traveled all over the world and met hundreds of interesting people. But it was in the middle of Missouri where I encountered two women who had a world view totally at odds with mine. They were American. Born and raised. But their parents were from the Middle East. These two young women, in their 20s, were dressed in black robes and black head gear.
It was around the time the U.S. entered Iraq. They were demonstrating against the U.S. policies. I went up to talk to them; I was feeling so depressed and hateful, I reached out to make a personal connection, hoping to dispell some of the hatred I feel toward women who, having a choice, choose to use clothing symbolic of the subjugation of women.
Well, somehow, the conversation came around to the constitution. Both women preferred to live under Islamic law, but saw it as impossible in the U.S. because they were in a minority. But would they be in favor of that if it were possible, I asked? Yes. They would.
This response from my fellow Americans. Is it good to travel? Absolutely. But sometimes it's better to listen to our fellow Americans. Really listen and observe. Just like that Oregon attorney, born American and converted to Islam. His daughter is named Sharia. That should tell you were he stands on the matter.
I have traveled all over the world and met hundreds of interesting people. But it was in the middle of Missouri where I encountered two women who had a world view totally at odds with mine. They were American. Born and raised. But their parents were from the Middle East. These two young women, in their 20s, were dressed in black robes and black head gear.
It was around the time the U.S. entered Iraq. They were demonstrating against the U.S. policies. I went up to talk to them; I was feeling so depressed and hateful, I reached out to make a personal connection, hoping to dispell some of the hatred I feel toward women who, having a choice, choose to use clothing symbolic of the subjugation of women.
Well, somehow, the conversation came around to the constitution. Both women preferred to live under Islamic law, but saw it as impossible in the U.S. because they were in a minority. But would they be in favor of that if it were possible, I asked? Yes. They would.
This response from my fellow Americans. Is it good to travel? Absolutely. But sometimes it's better to listen to our fellow Americans. Really listen and observe. Just like that Oregon attorney, born American and converted to Islam. His daughter is named Sharia. That should tell you were he stands on the matter.
SiouxWarrior
What about Christian Fundamentalism? I am sure they would put you to death for infidelity and the like as well if they had the chance. My point is, extremism is not limited to one religion.
Care to name anyone of these groups...
I dont know any Christian groups that promote the killing of non believers?
Maybe you can enlighten me?
marymcl,
Sioux Warrior is not a Native American.
Arab Muslims somehow identify with the plight of the Native American.
They believe they suffer the same indignities.
What they fail to remember is that Arabia was just as brutal, if not more, 60-70 million Asian Indians comes to mind, in its implementation of their Islamic empire.
Sioux Warrior is not a Native American. He is an Arab Muslim.
Moe's Foe - Well, they wouldn't be the first to try to use American Indians for status - that tactic has already been done to death by environmentalists, animal rights advocates and various left-wing advocacy groups.
What was it Lincoln said? You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Sioux Warrior
The price of freedom is BLOOD!
I guess if your french you wouldn’t understand.
We saved your butts in both wars!
The price of liberty is, always has been, and always will be blood. The person who is not willing to die for his liberty has already lost it to the first scoundrel who is willing to risk dying to violate that person's liberty. Are you free? -- Andrew Ford
Are you free or french?
Posted by: Marlo687
May I recommend reading some neutral information regarding the Holy Wars? Perhaps a little reading of the Quran, set it next to the Bible, and see if you can find matching passages in each, it's not very hard to find them
I like how some people claim this but can never back it up... Do they think if it is said enough then it will become a fact? The problem in America is too damn many people spewing BS and thinking the rest of us will buy it with NO PROOF... That reminds me of the liberal left, all BS no facts.
Sioux Warrior & Marlo687
would do themself good if they took some time to read all the post not just the new ones.
Then we wouldn’t have to take the time to explain it again and again.....
SiouxWarrior:
Maybe you are, maybe you aren't what you present yourself to be. If "yes," then you know what your people did to the Mandan/Arikara/Hidatsa. Not much different from what the invading Muslims did to so many others.
Also, if "yes," you surely must know what a Muslim regards you as!! Nothing but a filthy kafir, not even a person "of the book," (who don't rate any higher than your generic kafir lately).
If you are truly Native American, why are you defending those who would decapitate you in an instant?
Explain the posts will you? Explain your blind hatred? Can you explain that? Of course, those who hate can always rationalize it to themselves can't they? This site reads like an Aryan nation site, only perhaps slightly more close minded. And, to site your source of information as Daniel Pipes. Yes, I've read the ignorant rants filled with twisted lies that he has delivered to the world. Yet, it seems that in his position of mock authority he has gained something that resembles respect from you. So sad. Another victim falls to the deliberate spread of hatred promoted by Daniel Pipes and his ilk. 786 has nothing to do with the Muslim faith. And all Muslims are not terrorists. If you hate the people of Iraq so much, then do tell me why it is you wish to provide them any assistance at all? Do you realize that we established the Taliban? Do you realize that the only reason they were removed from rule was because they would not simply hand over Bin Laden, who, yes, we also trained. I'll have the examples for you shortly regarding the Koran and the Bible, it's not as if I walk around with them at my side, but I do assure you that they exist. If you grow impatient with me, you can feel free to read them yourself of course. The name is Marlo, not mark, and not mario. I don't know if Soix Warrior is a true native american or not, but I am. Cherokee. Not full, but enough. I know what happened to my people, and I know that it was not muslims who committed those atrocities. Those were White Christians. I work with a Muslim woman. After 9/11 I had to deal with people who carry about a degree of ignorance that most of the people posting here would apparently be quite proud of. They kept asking how I could work with her knowing what she had done. The thing is, she didn't do anything. She is a very nice, intelligent, hard working woman. She takes the greatest pride in taking care of her family, as her husband is no longer with her. She is quite possibly one of the most amazing people that I have met. It's muslim by the way, not moslim. And If I happened to practice the islam faith, then I would be muslim, not islamist. There is no such thing as an islamist. If I happened to be muslim, why would that cheapen what I had to say? Perhaps speaking to a few people who happen to be muslim wouldn't be a bad idea either, after you finish opening those books, and reading something more intelligent and fact based than the Pipes agenda. Oh, and while you opt to make reference to atrocities that are carried out in Allah's name, please don't forget the ones that are carried out in God's name by Christians. The holy crusades anybody. Perhaps we've heard of the Spanish inquisition. I do agree with the statement above that fundamental islam=fundamental christianity. Oh, and even if Souix Warrior is actually Souix, it really doesn't mean that they necesarrily mean that they will know their native tongue. I don't know the language of the Cherokee Nation. How would I? I do not live on the reservations that my people were forced onto by people that felt that their ways of life were superior. Who felt that they were saving my people, helping my people, because my people were considered savage, barbaric, and less than human.
marlo687 reminds us,
"The holy crusades anybody. Perhaps we've heard of the Spanish inquisition."
I will give you my two minute response. Native Americans do not care one iota about the Crusades of the Inquistion.
You are a Muslim posing as an American Indian.
Ta-Dah!
Marlo687.
Are you finished with the ranting?
Now I will wait for your quotes on the Bible and the Quran.....this should reveal to us your depth of understanding since you seem to be very enlightened, or are you surfing the net looking for web sites to debunk the Bible and champion the Quran, or are you doing some real research from Bibles, Books and Qurans you have at home?? do you actualy have a Bible and Quran at home?....go ahead, there a plenty of people here who will be ready to take you up on your ignorance.
By the way, once you get your head out of your Butt, and you get down from your highhorse you may want to enlighten the rest of us ignorants about peaceful Islam, and just what it is that we have overlooked and misunderstood about it... and please quote the Quran to back up your claims....I await to be corrected and enlightened.
Marlo687:
Re Spanish Inquisition. As a person of Spanish ancestry, what can we say except "payback's a bitch." During seven hundred years of uninvited racist, muslim occupation you learn a few bloodthirsty tricks from your oppressors. Especially how to go out and conquer other people in the same humiliating manner my "victimized, oppressed people" were colonized.
I am so sick of hearing muslims talking about their great empire before there was indoor plumbing. It came at my ancestors' expense!
For all you Crazed, wacko,allah worshipping nut cakes out there with your fantasies of world domination I have a question for you. Ever hear of a guy named Hitler? And lets see, what was that little line Admiral Yamomoto muttered after his cowardly attack on Pearl Harbor, oh yeah, it was "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" Had he only lived a little longer he would have seen how right he was.You cockroachs DON'T want to get the American populous really pissed off because there won't be enough virgins in allah land to service the numbers of you maggots that will be there.
Tell me Marlo, if you have so much respect for Muslims, why do you not believe those who say they want to impose Sharia on the world? Why do you not believe those Muslims who say they love death more than life? If you have so much love and respect for them, why don't you trust what they say is true? And I work with lots of Muslims, not just one, and nobody has ever asked me how I can possibly do it, so cut the crap.
As for the rant about "my people", give it a rest. You're just parroting leftist sterotypes. We don't live in grass huts and tepees anymore, and we've all had our polio shots OK? Some of us are even - perish the thought - Christians. And here's another news flash for you - it's still our country. Which is why our real warriors are in the armed forces and not playing professional victims on the internet.
The brave lions of jijhad and heroes of Yarmuk and Hattin have stricked again! They've proven they can kill pacifist women!
The brave lions of jijhad and heroes of Yarmuk and Hattin have struck again! They've proven they can kill pacifist women!
To Sioux Warrior,
you are an absolute disgrace,to label people WHITE trash,I too have lived in New York and if you mean to tell me that there is not BLACK,RED,YELLOW trash there also, that you need to watch your back from.well then i guess you really are the lefty SCUNBAG we all know you to be.
Many of the people here that you insult know more about islam than you would ever allow yourself too.If any one vents at times like this,its understandable,as long as that's all.
The problem's facing us full on today,i doubt if push comes to shove with the savages who do these awfull things that you would offer much resistance you Dhimmi,Sioux Warrior my arse,
I guess that is why it's the navajo covered themselves in glory in previos wars while the Sioux were no where to be seen.