The President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils has condemned the Beslan massacres. From SBS, with thanks to Nicolei:
The president of the Federation, Ameer Ali, says the rebels involved do not deserve to be called Muslims."They call themselves Muslims, but they are not Muslims.
"People can say in the name of Jesus they go and do some dastardly act, and then do we call them Christians?
"It's exactly the situation that we are facing.
"To go and commit this barbaric crime in the name of Islam, that is what I just can't accept.
"They are not in the fold of Islam, these people.
"They have to be condemned.
"They are the traitors of the community."
Dr Ali says he's concerned that the Beslan incident could cause a backlash against Australian Muslims.
"Since September 11th, there has been harassment going on, so incidents like this can again bring on that sort of backlash.
"That's why it's better to warn the society this had nothing to do with Muslims in this country, and we should not blame the whole community for this."
Unfortunately, Dr. Ali's statement doesn't take into account the fact that Islam is the only religion with teachings like these:
Said the great philosopher Averroes: "Most scholars agree that fortresses may be assailed with mangonels, no matter whether there are women and children within them or not. This is based on the fact that the Prophet used mangonels against the population of al-Ta'if."
And according to the renowned Sufi Al-Ghazali: "One must go on jihad at least once a year...one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them..."
And Ibn Taymiyya, Osama's favorite classical Muslim theologian: "As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed unless they actually fight with words [eg. by propaganda] and acts [by spying or otherwise assisting in the warfare]. Some jurists are of the opinion that all of them may be killed, on the mere ground that they are unbelievers, but they make an exception for women and children since they constitute property for Muslims."
Let him repudiate those ideas specifically, and we may be getting somewhere.
See also this (thanks to Kevin): LABOR, the Greens and the Democrats are dangerously misleading the electorate with their populist attempts to pander to the appeasement crowd and deny the very real links between the Beslan gymnasium horror and the acute threat Islamist terrorists pose to Australia.
Unfortunately, it is they who aren't the true muslims but the terrorist are. The terrorist are just following their prophet's example.
"People can say in the name of Jesus they go and do some dastardly act, and then do we call them Christians?
It's exactly the situation that we are facing."
Not so Mr. Ali.
I've said it a squillion times before and I'll say it again;
When "Christians" commit atrocities they are going against the commands of Jesus.
When Muslims commit atrocities (i.e. slaying non-Muslims) they are fulfilling the commands of Muhammed/allah.
Regards,
KC
...And whilst I'm at it...
A scripture from the Hadith for the benefit of those who say killing children 'isn't Islamic';
Hadith by Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."
piers akerman and andrew bolt are two of the australian journos trying to restore a modicum of commonsense into the Australian press at a time when without proper action, Australia could well follow the path of new zealand and the eurabia if the greens and lobor lefties are successful.
The new era of australian has been justly welcomed yet the left are unaware how the machinations of the Islamists will utilize this to futher their own nefarious ends.
At the moment TV channels such as ABC are using huge sums of public money to indoctrinate the public into think that the detenntion of Australian Jihaists in Guantanamo bay is a crime against humanity.
Half a million dollars have been spent on a film eulogising david hicks starring his father and Jihadist witnesses who proclaim his innocence!
He is shown in the press smiling or holding his two children which he in fact abandoned to join jihadist training camps under the taliban.
The putrid anti semetic and americanophopic letters he wrote home are ignored although they are on record.
But of course he is held by "Americans" and the left is playing the hate america card to the hilt and asking how America dares to hold "Australian citizens" and why are the Australin politicians NOT standing up for the rights of said australians.
It is an outright sham in which every Australian "human rights" lawyer is trying to seek glory under the umbrella of the publicity generated by the left wing media.
Australia which has no laws to try him on his return will have to see him walk and become a millionaire as greedy publishers scramble for the rights to his memoirs.
Such is the path of australia, unless the forces of commonsense prevail in the next election.
The vote of the Australian public in the next election may have serious ramifications for many yeatrs to come.
Ali my friend. as a convert (from) Islam I have to agree with callistos.
Dont all the saints in Islam proudly pose with a sword on thier belt?
Islam did expand because Iran and Rome had exhausted eachother in battle and both lost to invading Islamics..
The arabs of arabia used to bury thier daughters (is said sometimes alive) they cut the tounge of anyone in the Persian or Roman (eastern) empire that didn't convert to islam. Now the west is getting the taste of the barbarisim that helped islam expand.
open your eyes to the possibility that if a religion's saints carry swords!!!! that religion *may* be the false religion.
God help all the muslims as they convert!
amen.
Well said Mr.Spencer>Taqqiya crap without a doubt, or apologist nonsense at the very least.
bigdoor:
I already posted this on another thread, but here I go again:
WELCOME! Please tell us your story.
CGW I will continue to .. I am excited that finally the world is noticing that there is a serious problem and that is no other than Islam.
its a religion that is tolerant to no other religion - a religion that on the outside pretends to be peaceful but *hates* everyone else.
I am still careful about telling too much here.
I am truely scared that a fanatic islamic could come and murder me.. just as Salman rusdie was scared to death for years becuase of a sick ayatollah.
its sad - very very sad that islam is now hitting here.. its following me like a dark shadow everywhere. but reading the notes on here gave me courage to join in. take care and keep up the good work. This is an awesome website..
bigdoor,
Your name reflects your courage.
"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others".
Winston churchill (1874-1965)
OH Realy ask them what they think about killing Israeli Children?
My flag is at half mast today for the Russians.
My tears are still falling for the Russian People. May God help in their greif and give them Strength to Fight this EVIL ISLAMIC TERRORIST Amen
MSNBC has been showing the Russian People and their Loss!
Wonder how our lib Anti Jihad Fighter KJ made it throught his storm?
Seams that the Iraqi People don’t know who al durri is?
This will make you mad as hell this is how the libs want to fight the war of people who SHOOT CHILDREN IN THE BACK CUT PEOPLES HEADS OFF GET REAL PEOPLE!!
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/4/140327.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/4/143118.shtml
Who says the GOP do not like and help Democrats?
Heart Doc: GOP Convention May Have Saved Clinton's Life
Republicans may have inadvertently saved ex-President Bill Clinton's life this week,
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/4/112512.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Saturday, Sept. 4, 2004 11:02 a.m. EDT
AP Retracts 'Clinton Booed' Story
The Associated Press has retracted its Friday afternoon report that a crowd at a Bush rally in West Allis, Wisc., booed when President Bush offered ex-President Clinton best wishes for a speedy recovery from coronary bypass surgery scheduled for next week.
In a report that moved on the AP wire at 9:27 a.m. Saturday, the AP said: "This is a correction to an incorrect story posted by AP on Friday stating the crowd booed the President when he sent his good wishes. The crowd, in fact, did NOT boo."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/5/115634.shtml
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El4076&enZone=Culture&enVersion=0
Another gift that the YELLOW COWARD Arafat gave the world? The ISLAMICI TERRORIST MONSTERS went to school too?
Jerusalem Post noted, "By holding hostage and ultimately killing hundreds of Russian schoolchildren, Chechen terrorists have managed to set a low not seen since Palestinian terrorists took over a school in Maalot in 1974."
On May 15 that year, the date corresponding to the 26th anniversary of Israel's independence, terrorists based in Lebanon infiltrated into Israel and stormed a high school in the northern town of Maalot. The terrorists, later identified as members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), immediately killed a security guard and some of the children. Other children and teaches were held as hostages as the terrorists pressed for the release of Arab prisoners from Israeli prisons.
The Knesset met in an emergency session and a decision was reached to negotiate with the terrorists, but they refused to extend their deadline. Late in the afternoon, an elite unit from the Golani Brigade stormed the building and managed to kill all the terrorists, but not before they used guns and explosives to kill some of their hostages. A total of 26 Israelis were killed and more than 60 people were wounded in what became known as the Maalot Massacre
As bigdoor says he is afraid! and now it looks like the whole west is turning into that fear like France and Spain?
I think not we will beat this Evil!!!
PEACE, ISLAM STYLE:
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”
Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”
AUSSI's you need to Wake up and get back your guns!
Part of the American Tribe
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Open their Eyes to the Islamic Terrorist and give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
BIGDOOR
You don't have to reveal anything which is too painful
or scary for you. We appreciate the risks you take
and invaluable insight into workings of Islam.
Re:'Not in the Fold of Islam!!' Heck, is he talking about a 'Sheep Fold' then...
Hi Bigdoor,
Welcome, it sounds like you have an interesting background. Yes, I am aware that Islam pronounces death to any who leave the religion. If you are able to share your story, please do.
They all bat for the same team as they read and accept the Koran and all it's principles. Taqiyya and kitman are used against the naive and uninformed. Don't believe them.
Welcome to the forum bigdoor. Feel free to let us know your story when/if you are ready. Am I free to assume that behind that bigdoor there is also a bigheart?? ;-)
Welcome bigdoor. We understand your predicament. It is not a good idea to fall foul of the Religion in which there is no compulsion. Stay anonymous and comment on the truth as you see it.
Also take a look at
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
and
www.faithfreedom.org
"People can say in the name of Jesus they go and do some dastardly act, and then do we call them Christians?"
Which people are doing dastardly acts in the name of Jesus? Where has this been happening in this day and age? Have I missed something? As far as I know Jesus was rather mild-mannered, didn't kill anybody or have anybody killed, didn't steal anybody's stuff, nor did he have an unhealthy obsession with sex and little girls. Wish I could say the same for their "prophet".
"They are not in the fold of Islam, these people."
Yeah, the filtered, sanitized version of Islam you're trying to fool us with. The G rated Islam for Infidels. You try to hide the X rated one from us, insisting it doesn't exist, even though we are constantly inflicted with the technicolor, surround sound horror of it.
"Dr Ali says he's concerned that the Beslan incident could cause a backlash against Australian Muslims.
"Since September 11th, there has been harassment going on, so incidents like this can again bring on that sort of backlash."
Oh here we go! I keep hearing violins. Yes, turn it around so that WE are the bad guys. Poor, victimized, oppressed Muslim. Some Aussie looks at you funny, and it's a backlash! Some Aussies verbalize their disgust and horror at what's being done in the name of Islam, and ask you what the hell's going on, and we're harrassing you! Try to make US feel the guilt.
I'm sure those poor victims in Beslan, Bali, Madrid, NY, Washington, etc. would have preferred the odd funny look or comment versus what they got!