Car Bomb Near Embassy in Indonesia Kills 7

Believe this is just the start to disrupt Australian Elections. It is very possible there will be an attack on Australian soil.
This bomb outrage today makes a joke of a BBC Article written by Dr Farish Noor who extolls the virtues
of Islam in Indonesia.Religion of 'Peace' - Ha bloody Ha...!

If one thought that the Russian tragedy, instilled a bit of human conscience in these wild animals then this bomb should shake any complacency out of us. They will strike regardless wether we are "up" or "down".

The fact that this bomb blast is so close in timing to the recent brutal tragedy in Russia, only means that these vile creatures are bent on putting the proverbial boot of terror into our shocked and pained hearts that the events in Russia brought to us.

Seems that the soul searching that was done by some Arab and Muslim columnists in recent days, has been answered by the proverbial "middle finger" from their Mujahedeen brothers.

Mr. Spencer, I am coming (check that: long since come) to believe that the reason some people in the US are angry with you over reporting this, is that to concentrate on what is Clearly a war against the West, gets in the way of putting their Leftist ideaology into place. They realize if they admit there is a war, resources will have to be brought to bear upon it. Resources they vitally need to support their own war on Western values.

Keep up the good work!

Back on topic~ apparently the Australian government has good intelligence, or at least good enough to know things like were coming somewhere. Unfortunate that it proved to be true. All I can say for the current government in Australia is:

4 more years!

Does anyone have a chart going on the frequency of attacks ... etc. etc.

It does really seem like we are having a "wave" of coordinated activity doesn't it?

Well if we are going to build a chart measuring Islamic terror, we would have to go back 1400 years.........all this hate and murder was started by the original terrorist....Muhammed!!

That sounds harsh but it is the truth!!

This bombing was an attack on Australia itself, and the Australian people, because of it's anglo-saxon christian majority population.
Is their any race , or nationality of people on the planet that islam hasn't attacked or had some kind of violent dispute with.

Rapidly it alienates itself from the rest of the world making enemies faster than bacteria spreads.

That crafty Bush. Has he been fomenting Jihad again? This has to be his fault, right?

I know that Jihadwatch is all about Jihad, but in light of the disastrous effects a Kerry
presidency (the Iranian Candidate",
or "Carter II"--
but I repeat myself) would have on the war on terror, I would like to offer the following
tidbits to Jihadwatchers everywhere:

Bush's Guard Record has been released and has been very under-reported in the media. Here it is from The Hill: Bush’s National Guard years:Before you fall for Dems’ spin, here are the facts

Kristoff who is on the right side of the Sudan crisis but is making an ass of himself on every other topic has been made an fool of  Is Nick Kristof Lying, Or Was He Duped?

Australia, Russia, Sudan, Europe, the United States.... The atrocities take place everyday across the globe. The scope and frequency are mind numbing. What is it going to take for the West, and the rest of the civilized world, to come together and destroy all of Allah's Animals and anyone who provides them comfort such as the "Islamic Clerics" who try to explain and justify this ongoing horror away?

There are those that still want to go on with live as if nothing had ever happened and simply do not want to hear about these acts of terrorism just for that reason alone. And certainly in a way who can really blame them. We all would like to be able to feel that way if we honestly could.

Those of us who contribute to Jihad Watch are deeply entrenched in our concerns for what is going on with this ever encroaching lesser jihadist scourge throughout the world.

Do our children have to be consumed with worry from this evil, hopefully not. Though it is hard to dismiss it after being aware that these monsters are willing to attack and cold bloodedly kill children in a school. Could these children be having nightmares about even going to school? They are dealing with these fears among children in Chechnya now.

Can life go on as usual after 9-11 ? Our government and religious leaders encourage us to do that. But we need to be aware of what is going on around us at the same time. Or are we still the sleeping giant before Pearl Harbor? We should not be, after all the attack on the twin towers and the Pentagon brought more damage and death right on American soil from an enemy than ever before.

I think the civilized,and freedom loving people of the world are still struggling to understand how there could exist a totalitarian movement like this in a religion who always expouses the virtues of peace, while at the same time killing innocent people all over the world in the name of allah without any compunction.

Miss Money Penny:

I haven`t been able to open that page Bush`s national guard record.

Mackie's comment about people pretending that world events won't touch them is true. So many people I know don't listen to the news today because "it's depressing," or they "don't want to become involved," or they "can't allow themselves to be negative about others," and a host of other reasons.

People are afraid and they are in denial. some would rather die than go through war at home or change their lifestyle. It's sad and depressing for me to know that there are Americans with the mindset. I hope that my experience with them is an only an anomaly.

I tried to be too clever I guess.
Here is the link

http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/09/is_nick_kristof.html

I don't know how many of you visit old threads, but you may wish to read Naseem's latest threats on the Sept. 8 "Beslan: They knifed babies . . . " thread.

I wonder where were all these terrorists hiding before G.W.Bush came to the white house, as if they were waiting for him.
Before that, the frequency of terror attacks were about 1 or 2 attacks a year. Now look at that, starting with the WTC and going.
The heaven must be very upset with Bush, haha

Funny thing hardly a word of the attacks on CNN or MSNBC!!! Thank god for fox!!

Muslim:

Here is a list of attacks just on Americans:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

of course I realize you will ignore it simply because it was compiled by a Jewish group- but it sure as hell lists a lot more attacks than you want readers to believe.

And here is another one putting the lie to your words:

http://www.bts.gov/publications/transportation_statistics_annual_report/2001/html/chapter_05.html

A small sample:

http://www.bts.gov/publications/transportation_statistics_annual_report/2001/html/chapter_05_figure_01_111.html

I am sure hundreds of other articles can be posted here. Why do you feel the need to Lie, muslim?

Alot of people here in Kansas think that they are untouchable to terrorist, I mean there's nothing here to really destroy or disrupt thats of any importance. They think of it as a "big city problem", me, im scared as hell. I believe nowhere is safe, I believe that the amount of security in these big cities, like NYC, makes cities like mine a more attractive option for terrorists.

I'm taking huge steps in my life right now, soon i'll be getting married and starting a family. I don't want to worry about terrorists in my childrens schools, i don't want to worry about my wife going to the grocery store and getting blown up when someone walks in with a bomb strapped to his/her waists. This is a problem everywhere and its going to affect our lives, my childrens lives, and their childrens lives. Am I overreacting here???? I hope not, but that is what some are telling me over here in KC....

BUD

Please be more clear muslim, I cannot grasp your point from your last post...

"I wonder where were all these terrorists hiding before G.W.Bush came to the white house, as if they were waiting for him.
Before that, the frequency of terror attacks were about 1 or 2 attacks a year. Now look at that, starting with the WTC and going.
The heaven must be very upset with Bush, haha"

Moose

Gary,
well it's not that it is compiled by jewish, although i know how they compile stories, but look at the list and notice:
Most of them are not terrorist attacks, these are war victims, as they happened most in israel, palestine and lebanon, during a time of war.
USA helped israel in attacking and occupying lebanon, so it's very logical to have US casualties in lebanon, as well as jordan, which also was attacked and occupied by israel at that time.
And sill my notes are right: only 1 attack per year, until Bush came and brought with him the terrorists.

Albertanator:
YOU TOLD NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND IT IS NOT HARSH! IT IS TRUE.

i couldn't agree with you more

Muslim said:

Before that, the frequency of terror attacks were about 1 or 2 attacks a year. Now look at that, starting with the WTC and going.

Yes you're right, it's not long after that also that evey muslim and his camel declared "jihad" on the infidels.
Coincidence?

One of the simplest ways of coping (not a solution) with the Islamic threat is to stop importing fossil fuels from any Islamic country. The current Jihad is solely the result of oil money. If Saudi Arabia did not have oil, it would look exactly like Afghanistan. Once the oil money stops flowing, a few simple follow up procedures would be necessary but they would not be so hard. We would have to ban immigration from all Muslim countries and regulate and police the heck out of the Muslims that are still here. Then the Muslims would be stuck in their hellholes, with no chance of getting out and no money to buy arms and equipment or fund mosques and madrassas all over the world. The current Jihad would quickly fade away.

And for the many on this thread who would immediately say, well, that is impossible, there is no fuel that is economically viable at this time for us turn to. Well, that is a mistaken view. The whole western world could immediately, I would say within the space of 15 years if sufficient effort and money were devoted to the issue (a kind of Manhattan project), move to fueling all our vehicles with ethanol, the kind of alcohol that you can drink, which is easily fermented from corn and other crops. The only downside with ethanol is that it has less energy per litre than gasoline so you would have to refuel more often. Linky.

http://www.greenfuels.org/

At the same time, we should move to fund research projects which will bioengineer organisms to produce hydrogen or methanol or the ultimate for me, which would be artificial photosynthesis.

Why haven't we moved to alternative fuels? One reason is that there is an unholy cabal between the big oil companies and the Muslim oil producing nations. If you don't believe me, look at some of the sponsors of the 13th annual Arab/US Policymakers Conference, Aramco, Shell, ExxonMobil (a lot of the others are prominent arms manufacturers - nuff said!). Then, look at who is speaking at this conference, Mr. Nihad Awad of CAIR for one!

http://www.arabialink.com/auspc/announcement.htm

A lot of vested interests are combining, not in some ogranized conspiratorial way imo, but simply out of self-interest to thwart taking one of the best routes for ending the current Jihad - getting those oil ticks off us!

We need sufficient political will to deal with these vested interests but I fear that will not be generated until a disaster of great magnitude occurs.

So there you go. No need to resort to the currently politically impossible expedients of internment and deportation. Just simply stop sending the Muslims our money! Oh, and one more thing - we have to make sure that the Muslims who are here do not use their charitable Zakat donations to fund the Jihad. A careful eye must be kept on all Muslim charities and money transfers. Why do you think the Jihad in Chechnya is going so merrily? Where do you think they are getting the money - it is from women all over Saudi Arabia and elsewhere who get together, as they have nothing else to do, to organize charitable giving to fund jihadis in Chechnya and all over the world. Sort of like the Salvation Army except that it funds real soldiers and real armies!

People are so ignorant. Here is the Sharia law:

THE OBLIGATORY CHARACTER OF JIHAD

09.1 Jihad is a communal obligation. When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others (O: the evidence for which is the Prophet’s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

“He who provides the equipment for a soldier in jihad has himself performed jihad,”

Oh, what fun, eh? And meanwhile our news media cluck contentedly that "our" Muslims are nice. It just those ones overseas that are causing a problem. What a joke.

And if you guys think that I am just being a wingnut in thinking that big oil is part of the problem, think about it, follow the money - who benefits from selling that Muslim oil?

regarding robert's statement: "It's hard to believe that, with things like this happening day after day, there are still significant forces in America that are angrier with me for reporting it than with the perpetrators for all their mayhem."

it's pretty obvious after spending a critical amount of time studying islam that it is a totalitarian philosophy. by extension, dhimmitude falls under that totalitarianism. now, isn't one of the syndrome's of totalitarianism groupthink -- requiring the silencing of dissent? it would seem to me, robert, that those forces are to a certain extent already entrapped by dhimmitude totalitarianism and trying to bring dissenters into their groupthink

and what is the proper response? to quote daughter of patriots, "don't tread on me!"

Just another flame in the thousand flickers of jihad burning around the world. Ignore any commentary by so called "apologists" or self styled critics withing the islamic community.

They're merely canards, who's purpose is to shield Islam's true nature until its powerful enough the make a serious challenge - al Sadr (Jim Jones in a turban) is the a priori exemplar of muslim obsfucation.

Irshad Manji and others fall are part of that ilk, the effect is spectacular, as many still seem to be genuinely confused as to the meaning of torturing and butchering children. These truly are evildoers, who's impulses seek nothing more than slaking their demented self serving greivances. Their failure of intellect could hardly be more complete.

Rikki,

Thanks for the support at "Talkleft"

I don't know about the rest of you but..the use of the word “INFIDEL” against us non-believers absolutely enrages me.

The word, by its very nature and tone evokes the concept of an inferior being, something that is beneath contempt, a bug, an insect something somehow unworthy of respect, something without honour….

Used in a Muslim’s mouth I find it as offensive as the “N” word must be to blacks.

It is particularly offensive because it is exactly how I see Islam:

–inferior, beneath contempt, insect-like, unworthy of respect and entirley WITHOUT HONOUR.

Islam, do not dare call us “INFIDELS” when it is Islam that praises their heroes for killing infants and raping children;

Islam, do not dare call us “INFIDELS” when it is Islam that preaches its myopic lessons of hate and death;

Islam, do not dare call us “INFIDELS” when your cult is still mired in 1400 years of accumulated excrement.

Islam, do not dare call us “INFIDELS” while you contemptible leeches continue to chase your damnable Jihad on behalf of that fraud Allah and the pedophile Mohammed.

Islam, do not dare call us “INFIDELS” when the collective “Emotional IQ” of Islam is less than a barn rat.

You uneducated bastards do not know the meaning of the word.

NO F**KING ISLAM KNOW PEACE

Toro

'One of the simplest ways of coping (not a solution) with the Islamic threat is to stop importing fossil fuels from any Islamic country.' ~ Mentat

I agree, quite! And I do believe some of the alternate energy tech will become viable (cheap) enough in due time, as it becomes more efficient.

In the meantime:

ANWAR.

Low end of the estimate is 4.7 Billion barrels. Using just this number alone, at a pumping rate (which they are certain they can maintain) of 1.4 MBD, comes to 9.2 years of useage. Mind you, this is the Low End of the estimate. It may well be as much as twice that amount.

http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm

This comes to 7% of US daily usage, and chops nearly a third off of SA oil imports. I would say this was a good start!
Up here where I am in Canada, a bio-fuel plant may be built in the next year or so. 'fraid I have no stats on that yet...

Hear that, KeithJoy? One More way to get off foreign oil. Now. Present us with the links you claim will prove ANWAR is a 3-month supply.

The "Religion of Peace" strikes again. I agree that thisis one of many attempts to disrupt elections in nations that are part of the "coalition of the willing". We have to remember that we have the tools to crush the forces of evil that permeate our planet, but we have to have the will to use them.

mentat,
How I wish america would stop buying fuel from the arabs.
Most muslims, if you didn't know, on tv and on every media, have been calling for this.
Some of them actually started boycotting american products, and this has caused enough damage to the american economy and enough loss of jobs to see americans nagging everywhere because of the economical crisis.
And if you make a small online research, you will be amazed by the number of large american companies outsourcing their tech-related production and projects to the middle-east, india and other islamic countries.
Your call to stop buying fuel will be faced by a larger boycotting to american products, which will certainly lead to fewer american exports--> fewer jobs --> larger recession.
And don't forget the americans working in saudi arabia and the gulf. They will be kicked out from there and will go back to their countries, which will increase the unemployment among americans.

Just this past week-end the local government in one of counties in W. Java had closed 13 churches as requested by a muslim organization.

To think that here in the US and in the rest of the infidel world, they (these newcomers) are free to build as many mosques they want, makes my blood boil!!!!!

Of course the dead and wounded in this most recent bombing in Jakarta were all their fellow Muslims. Maybe the US or the Jews are behind this, heh? Just like the Bali and Marriot bombings, inspite of all the confessions from the terrorists, some still believe that some other infidel country was behind the bombings. Huh!

The 'moderate' Indonesian muslim truly believe they are 'moderate'. Consider how 'moderate' they are:

1. So far the people brought to court and sentenced to jail are the Christians.
2. None of the Laskar Jihad people have been sentenced for the publicly committed crimes.
3. Closing down of churches, bands of thugs stopping worships at homes, are all justified because the christians must have done something wrong, or against the law.

In answer to muslim, the truth about Outsourcing:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040909.shtml

And I am sure others can provide even better info (except on the Left side of the argument)

Muslim, the internet makes it So easy to confute your statements. Aren't you glad we 'infidels' created it?

Gary,
your link does not mean that america's economy is not in a going down since bush arrived.
And that also doesn't mean that boycotting arab fuel will not hurt the economy much further.

*bol* Based on what? I've offered my info, share yours? Where's the links? The statistics? The Independent reports?

Please don't give me Krugman, or however his name is spelled. He has no clue about the American economy beyond what serves John Kerry's efforts.

Muslim, let's analyze your latest round of statements.

1) The economy is going down since Bush entered office. The economy was in a recession in late 2000 to early 2001. How many jobs created a month will it take for you to acknowledge that an expansion is occuring? How much increase in production? Both of these indicators have been on the uptick for several months in a row.

2) Boycotting Arab fuel will lead to economic disaster for the United States. Do you have any idea of the size of the economy of the US? The GDP of a single state, California, is greater than all other countries in the world but four. I don't think that we'll suffer that much if we boycott their fuel, and as a result, they don't buy our products.

3) Bush brought all the terrorist attacks with him. Not true. Look at the Clinton years. That is how jihadists and terrorists respond to someone who tries to lick their boots. These attacks were escalating in number and in severity from roughly the '60's until today. The Marine barracks and the Achille Lauro were examples from the late '80's. Terrorism never went away; it simply disappeared from the radar screen of the press for a while (like the way the homeless do whenever a Democrat is in office).

Keep trying, Muslim. Eventually you'll run out of lies and be left with the truth.

~NMJ

muslim,

"How I wish america would stop buying fuel from the arabs.
Most muslims, if you didn't know, on tv and on every media, have been calling for this.
Some of them actually started boycotting american products, and this has caused enough damage to the american economy and enough loss of jobs to see americans nagging everywhere because of the economical crisis."

You give far to much credit where little credit is due. If the US stopping purchasing ME oil the impact on ME's economy would be catastrophic compared to the economy in the US. But, why not wish for a future that would really hurt the ME...It goes right along with the other dreams and wishes you have and arrives at an identical destination.

"Your call to stop buying fuel will be faced by a larger boycotting to american products, which will certainly lead to fewer american exports--> fewer jobs --> larger recession."

All this power and influence brought on the largest economy in world through the response of Islam, correct? All the people of the ME would be willing to stop seeling oil to the US in order to hurt America's economy? At the expense of a drop in standard of living for the generation of people in the ME. Like I have stated many times before, you DO NOT speak for all the poeple of the ME (thankfully).

"And don't forget the americans working in saudi arabia and the gulf. They will be kicked out from there and will go back to their countries, which will increase the unemployment among americans."

If these people were forced to leave, the cost to Saudi Arabia and gulf would be expotential to the cost incurred by America if this happened.

Moose

Sept. 9: A deadly bomb blast near the Australian Embassy in Jakarta may be the work of a terror group with links to al-Qaida. ITN's Paul Davies reports.

Nooooo! Links to al-Qaida?!!! Where do they come up with this stuff?

Do we suppose that it may be the work of a sleeper cell of Zen Buddhist suicide bombers? Maybe it's the work of Christian eco-terrorists. Wait, I know, Exxon did it! I need some help here, I'm running out of ideas.

regarding the statement about a boycott of american products in the middle east damaging the u.s. economy, in 2003, we exported $19 billion worth of products to the middle east (that would be total including wholesale, industrial, retail, etc.). our total exports for 2003 were $724 billion. a little easy math shows that the middle east accounts for 2.6% of our total export market. i've got to say that if the middle east decided to boycott all of our exports, it would be like a fly biting the ass of a horse

muslim wrote:

"... outsourcing their tech-related production and projects to the middle-east, india and other islamic countries."

What do you mean 'India and other islamic countries'? I admittedly dunno about the extent of your grasp on english grammer, but what you wrote tacitly implies that India is an islamic country. It is not. It never was and it neverwill be.

And its no honor to be counted among islamic countires, believe me. India and the vast majority of (non-muslim) Indians are perfectly happy with India not being an islamic country. Thank you.

Despite there being no hard details forthcoming so far of the car-bombing of the Australian Embassy in Jakarta, overnight, on talk-back radio here, there’s been a sentiment repeated by many callers (parrotting the line of the Australian Labor Party in the Federal Elections, scheduled for 9th October): “Australia’s intervention in Iraq’s made us a bigger target for Terrorism”.

This is a piece of the grossest absurdity - the "Holy Warriors"’ve been after Australia, in their contemporary Jihad, at least since 2000, when Oz, at great length, sent military detachments into East Timor to enable the well-overdue assumption of Timor l’Este’s independence from Indonesia. This much-belated Australian deployment (strongly supported by the UN), four years ago, geopolitically DETACHED real-estate from the dar el-Islam - utterly intolerable to Islamo-fascists.

(Australians were “guilty” of doing this previously: in Somalia in 1993, and before that, “egregiously”, the Lighthorse riding their Walers - hours ahead of Lawrence arriving with his poxy camels and Arabs, days before the British Army - into Damascus in 1917, seizing the city from the Ottoman Sultan’s “legal” Islamic rule and REMOVING it from the writ of the Sharia.)

Though the Australian Embassy in Singapore was cased for the major, foiled, “Millennium/Bojinka Plot” in 2000 - planned for years before any Australians ever landed in East Timor - “Sheikh” Osama bin-Laden himself unambiguously alerted Oz to its fate as one of his targets in an audio-tape, issued soon following Australia’s contribution to ousting him and the mediæval Taleban from power in Afghanistan in ‘01: “Submit, with all the rest of the ‘qafrs’, to be slaves of Islam, or perish”.

But even if Canberra hadn’t ventured to liberate East Timor (which an ALP Government then could well have baulked at), the Islamo-fascists/Jihadis would still be out for Australian blood. This is because, whatever we are, we’re NOT Moslems - and that’s all it takes for them to want to kill us. For the BASTARDS (as Russian President, Vladimir Putin, dubbed them recently), every Infidel’s an Enemy, unexceptionally, needing to be promptly slain or converted & enslaved.

Is it alarmist to wonder whether, at this juncture, the world’s being subjected to a concerted, global terror-offensive by the Jihadis and their Islamo-fascist brethren? Granted, they could easily all be a coincidence, or be caused by totally other things, however there’ve been three major atrocities in Russia within the fortnight (one of them a double-strike, their “tag”), dual bus-bombings in Beersheva, Israel, a day prior to that, renewed waves of suicide-assaults and assassinations in Iraq and Afghanistan throughout the span… and now this massive blast in Jakarta. This spike in violence could be the Bastards’ much-vaunted, strategic, synchronized counter-attack in the “War on Terror” (WWIV!), hazarding their retort to the robust initiatives of the US and its Allies in Afghanistan and Iraq (inter alia).

The voices on the air in the wee hours quail (some of the older ones ought to recollect where such cravenness led in the past century, but, sadly, they’re not up to it): “We can’t afford to make them more angry”; “if we’re not nice to them, they’ll hate us even more than they do now”.

This is (partially) true, but does it matter? NO, not in the least. Remote from them and beyond these gentle listener’s ken, there’s nevertheless an accumulated HATRED stalking the Earth today, which is already so immense that any extra animus would be of no account whatsoever - it’d make NO EFFECTIVE DIFFERENCE at all, so enormous has its enmity towards us grown in its c1,380 years to date.

Indeed, whatever the West does - except surrender - earns ADDITIONAL hostility from this murderous, atavistic foe, which it nowadays confronts (in a struggle “officially” ignited by the deranged Islamo-fascists/Jihadis, almost three years ago); for the West to continue with the old “hearts’n’minds” charades with the dar el-Islam would constitute a scandalous Waste.

Therefore, without heeding rank nonsense about “being hated more”, etc, it’s incumbent on the Coalition to finally GET SERIOUS, applying drastic measures, if need be, where and when required, in order to CONVINCE the millions of recalcitrants in the Arab & Moslem sphere (in a language they’ll fully comprehend) that Westerners DO adequately remember the words of General MacArthur (when he fought an earlier, cruel, arch-Totalitarian antagonist}, “THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR VICTORY”; further, that they possess the necessary Moral Courage to WIN.

- The alternative to Allied Victory’s too ghastly to contemplate.

This is off topic, but everybody, please remember that 12th September is the day that Jan Sobieski defeated the Turks, (muslims) in the Battle of Vienna. Please drink to him, and the brave men who fought with him.

This is off topic, but everybody, please remember that 12th September is the day that Jan Sobieski defeated the Turks, (muslims) in the Battle of Vienna. Please drink to him, and the brave men who fought with him.

epg

No, you are not alone. Most of the people don't have a clue, don't care or don't want to know. As I posted a couple months ago on a thread, You feel like part of a sci-fi movie (Invasion of the Body Snatchers), telling people about the alien invasion but nobody believes you. I try telling people I fell can handle the truth but they are few and far between. I could tell my Mom and she'd probably say "Oh that's nice" and go back to watching TV.
BUT.....don't give up, keep spreading the word.
The word is getting out, I've noticed alot more new posters on JW lately.

Hey Voltaire,

Sure after the 9-11 commemoration, we'll remember septy-12 too. I was led to believe that the Romanians had a lot to do with stopping the turkic invasion of Europe in its tracks...

In fact, wasn't it Vlad the impaler who IMPALED 800 turkish soldiers thereby causing largescale panic and deserions and ultimately retreat from the ranks of the turk armies? Wow, for once, you have brutalitry on a sclae that scares even the jihadis.... Now, there is yet hope for the west.

Also, this is the same guy who, popular legend says, gave up on Christ and went on to become Dracula? (Of course, this part is all nonsense but was wondering if the roots of this story don't have some bearing in history as it happened.)

Indonesia is in a dangerous situation..even though about 10 percent voted for islamist parties (and many more for islamic parties)that 10 percent is vital for any party to obtain power. I think that is a reason Indonesia is dragging its feet with Laskar Jihad and all the other groups that commit atrocities...after all the christians don't have as many votes as the islamists so they tend to be convicted instead of the islamists...and the Indonesian justice system seems very rigged towards deliberatley letting war criminal generals and the military off the hook at every opportunity when they commit atrocities against non-muslims. I also wonder if the fact that 10 percent of Frances population is muslim is why the french government (desperate for the muslim vote) is such a obstructionist force in the war on ISLAMIST terrorism. The lesson we all must learn here is that if even 10 percent of the population in any country is islamist that can result in a government leaning towards appeasement of that islamist minority...and away from acting in the best interests of the non-islamist majority...as long as this appeasement can be portayed as (left wing) ideologically/politicallly correct deceiving the masses into beleiving the appeasement isn't a threat to the non-islamist masses. Too many politicans are happy to deceive the masses for a easy islamist vote.

P.s. i think the reaon therefore that the western media and politicians don't use the word "Islmaist" is partly so some western government can keep the islamist and muslim sympathiser vote..the other reason is that they want the support of the muslim countries in the war and their oil. Muslim countires would get upset if the words WAR ON ISLAMISM were used (as would the western leftists who sympathise with utopian movements and wish for utopias themselves)...Too many muslims in the world even if not islamists themselves are significant islamist sympathisers.

bonzi - perfect description of what we are up against. We know about the invasion, but others think we're nuts!

The West is too comfortable in our modern day belief in the goodness of man, in fairness, in respect, human rights, equality, justice, and that we've progressed out of the Dark Ages. We can't comprehend the realities of Islam, that it is defined as the total opposite of what the West stands for and that it adores the Dark Ages and the barbarity of back then and wants it for the whole world today.

So we make excuses for what the Islamics get up to - oh, it's got to be American foreign policy, or the Israel/Palestinian conflict, or going into Iraq. Blame Bush, blame Howard, blame, blame, blame: ourselves. To blame Islam is to accept we're up against some sort of monster. And that's only in the movies, not in real life, we tell ourselves. Hello everybody! The Monster is real, and its name is not Godzilla or King Kong, but Islam.

It's amazing that even after yesterday's Jakarta bombings, and last week's Beslan horror, and all the other bombings and countless murders that people can't see what it's all about. I guess it's too uncomfortable, too hopeless. Its easier to imagine that if we got rid of Bush and Howard that they'd leave us alone and life would be wonderful. Much easier to think, oh, we'll just vote them out and everything will go back to normal. Too hard to wrap our minds around the concept of: Islam hates everything and everyone non-Muslim and its mandate is to establish a worldwide caliphate where we convert, die, or live under apartheid.

P.s. Political correctness is just a method that the left has used to try to regulate peoples thoughts and behaviours..the beleif being if your regulate/control peoples thoughts and behaviours enough you will ensure a better (utopian) society. But this thought control is dangerous...in its extreme it is used so as to control/restrict peoples thoughts and behviours to a specifically narrow fixed uniform pattern so they become willing to be dictated to by dictators/regulators instead of thinking for themselves who should lead them. WARNING THOUGHT CONTROL IS A KEY TOOL OF TOTALITARIAN REGIMES. I think this is why the left gets made when people think and behave outside the boundaries of political correctness...such as calling islamists their real name instead of just militants. It is seen as an ideological threat/attack of their utopian efforts...and therefor seen as bad/evil and to be fought as much as possible.

Sure regulations have an important place in democracies...they are necessary to maintain social order...the problem is if you regulate societys thoughts and behviours (through regulations) too much then free thought and critcial/anaytical reasoning gets shut down in its citizens. Its citizems are less able at the balot box to decide through their own free critical/analytical reaoning what is the party they should vote for that will act in their best interests...and they are less able to judge when there is a threat in society if there are (thought and behavioural) regulations against doing so...such as seems is the case with islamism.

A good example of this is the european union...this political entity seems in danger of so over regulating the thoughts and behavious of all its citizens that instead of the EU being a democracy it is fast becoming a non-democratic regulatocracy. Yes the candidates are elected into a euro parliament but all the people elected into it are restricted by what they can think and do...do this too much and all you have is a un-democratic body full of identical thinking/behaving clones...that is in practice a one party parliament and dictatorship.

It is no wonder that the first thing the european union did after the beslan massacre was not do the most logical/reasoned practicaal thing..that is ask how do we fight these terrorists...and help the russians stop it...No!...the first thing they did was ask Putin did they follow all the right regulations...following proper by the letter regulations seemed to them more vital than condemning the terrorists atrocity and fighting them...after all one must follow all these regulations or society can't be perfect the EU politicans reason...Unfortunately as we have seen by the EU's behaviour a overly thought regulated society acts less logically and practically in its citizens best interests. With more and more regulations in a society its citizens have less room to think for themselves and to choose for difference/alternatives...and its this ability to choose differently to others that gives as democracy...and allows us to call islamism by its true name and do the practical logical things necessary to defeat it. But politcal correctness and left wing thought control seems to have the upper regulating hand.

obl r us wrote:
Too many politicans are happy to deceive the masses for a easy islamist vote."
and don't forget mexican vote
and black vote
and cuban vote
and gay vote
and asian vote
and korean vote
and catholic vote
etc, etc,etc!
Why should we even care, anymore?

To Degenerate Artist

said about politicains deceiving the public to get votes from minorities " Why should we even care, anymore?"

I guess the reason is the minorities you are talking about arn't a totalitarian threat. I feel there is no threat to democracy from politicains doing eveything to get the mexican, black, cuban, gay, asian, korean
and catholic vote. THESE GROUPS YOU ARE RIGHT...WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM BEING A THREAT...I BELEIVE IT DOES THEM AND THE MAJORITY OF US A GREAT DEAL OF GOOD TOLERATING THEM. These groups arn't part of a totalitarian movement aimed at destroying democracy and exterminating the social, political and cultural freedom of people living in the west. HOWEVER THE ISLAMIST VOTE IS A THREAT...ISLAMISM HAS TOTALITARIAN GOALS. POlitical correctness has worked when it has made people more tolerant of these non-totalitarian groups...but it now has become DYSFUNCTIONAL and DANGEROUS to society by encouraging tolerance of Islamist totalitarianism movements. In the sole instance of Islamist minorities I think we should care about politicans appeasing them.