Now we hear that all the hostage-taking in Iraq is "un-Islamic." Now, on September 6. I just did a quick search of Jihad Watch and found the earliest mention of hostage-taking in Iraq on April 8. That's at least five months of hostage-taking in the name of Islam that went uncondemned by the Iraqi ulema. Did they have to think it over? Did they have to study the Islamic sources to try to figure out whether it was wrong? Were the hostage-takers in the interim risking "damnation and execution," or are they only risking it now?
Or did they find, especially in the wake of the Beslan child massacres, that it is doing the jihad more harm than good on the public relations front?
From The Telegraph, with thanks to Uncle Jeff:
Iraq's most senior Sunni religious body said yesterday it would issue a fatwa outlawing the abduction and execution of any foreigner in the country. While there have been demands from across the Muslim world for the release of two French reporters who have been held captive since August 20, the edict, due to be signed today, is the most significant so far in the six-month hostage crisis.At least 102 foreigners have been abducted since April. Twenty-eight have been executed.
The fatwa was issued by the country's committee of Muslim scholars, or ulema. Although it had called for the release of reporters Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot in the past, it had refused to condemn the kidnapping and execution of hostages from countries that backed the US invasion.
"We are going to issue a fatwa declaring that the kidnapping of foreigners in general is not Islamic and ordering that all hostages be released immediately," said Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abdul Jabbar, a senior cleric.
Refusing to comply with a fatwa, the most serious command that can be issued in Islam, risks damnation and execution.
better late than never. even incremental positive developments should be preferred to dogged entrenchment in the barbarity of centuries past
It's just the same cowardly apologist scenario we saw after 9/11/01. Clerics and imams the world over "condemning it" and showing their "disgust", basically to try to save their own filthy necks, so their isn't a global uprising against islam.
What these weasels fail to comprehend is that it's too late in the day for that, a sleeping giant has been awakened and I think we are about to see some truly devastaing collaborations between the US,Russia,Israel (the UK are mostly with you guys) maybe even India.
We even have clerics admitting that islams reputation has been thoroughly damaged from the Beslan child massacre, and now islam is about to get the full scale thrashing it so rightly deserves.
Who'd have guessed, all it took was the slaughter of children to make the world see whats been staring them in the face for so long?
Shooting children in the back as the poor terrified souls try to escape, forcing them to dehydrate and drink their own piss, raping young girls as their deep-rooted, peadophilic sexual urges surfaced (with the full consent of their prophet no doubt) was a bridge too far, not that they haven't been doing it for years, but on this scale?Well lets just say that the rumours that allah is actually the devil have now been made concrete fact.
Of course we're going to have some clerics saying how they mourn for the murdered children (then among their own devil-worshippers praise the "success" of it)and a few idiots still somehow managing to blame the Russians for it all (I must have been in a coma when the Russians held children hostage and slaughtered them).
But I truely believe this time that islamic terrors years if not days are numbered.
unfortunatley Islam is extremely violent.
The saints of Islam were all warriors and all carried a sword.
islam expanded by force and through violence.. extreme violence.
majority of people of middle east are decent people who are trying to make a living in the harshest life that islam has left for them.
and this is an example of an islamic cleric who is trying to give islam a peaceful face..
that face is the face of the oppressed and abused people of middle east NOT Islam.
i am free and have been free for years since I dumped Islam - and I pray for all good people who are still taped by it.
Rikki:
I e-mailed you - did you receive it?
bigdoor:
WELCOME! Please tell us your story.
No one knows the future, but rather than bend under a rebuke, I believe this is going to serve as a raising of the bar to the other jihadists. I am curious to see what Russia and for that matter, anyone else is going to do. I would not be surprised if again this is used by jihadists to try to whip up an all-out Islam against the world war.
Surely any fatwa must have a basis in the Koran, ahadith or other precedents. Have they cited any in making this decision? If not, do they not run the risk of apostasy?
What about the Shiites? Are they going to agree with a sunni muslim and stop doing this? What sect are a majority of the terrorists from? I have a list of terrorists grops from the Navy post graduate school but they don't list what sect they are from. Does anyone know?
Can these be the same old platitudes that are designed to try and passify the anger that most of us are feeling right now? Are they going into their mosques and telling the umma the same thing? Are these self criticisms designed to gain a sympathetic ear? Can this be a sincere effort by Islamic leaders, or is it the acceptable deception that the Quran allows in the pursuit of a lesser jihad? As robert Spencer pointed out ; where was this criticism since last april?
Have we heard any condemnation from any of the mullahs in Iran, or any of the leaders of the these Islamic countries?
Have we heard any criticism of these chechyan and Arab terrorists from the likes of Yassar(nobel peace prize winner) Arafat,--Alfred Nobel must be rolling over in his grave!
How about condemnation from Albania`s Moisiu,Algeria`s Boutteflika,Iran`s Ali Khamenei (sure),Lebanon`s Lahoud --Libya`s Quaddafi, and Syria`s al-Assad---not to mention the leaders of more than a dozen other Islamic countries that should be speaking out against this horrible and negative affliction that the warped use of the lesser jihad tenets has reaped on those nominist, and moderates of Islam.
And could we be hearing the call of the wolf since lies and deception is acceptable? So who are we to believe when the militant tenets of the Quran allow for lying and deceiving the infidels.
The credibilty of islam is strained to nearly a whimper and it may be hardly heard by all except the left wing wackos`of the world.
In defiance of our own foundations,We may be required to become intolerant of what comes from Islam in the near future for our own "on guard future security" and take a lesson from the simple tale of "Little Red riding hood"
Its BS, anything they say is BS!
Ummmm, Rikki,
"Who'd have guessed, all it took was the slaughter of children to make the world see whats been staring them in the face for so long?"
I believe you may have meant 'non-Jewish' children.
The PLO, those brave killers of children and blind kittens, have been murdering Jewish children by the busload for decades.
I believe these comments are an indicator of some Muslim's seeing that their goal of an Islamic world is not going so well. They were silent while the battles were being fought and they had hope they could win.
Now, they speak out against this kidnapping and murder in order to hold onto the ground that they perceived to have gained. I am sorry, it is way to late for you to convince non-muslims that the REAL truth is Islam does not allow this kind of action.
You see, I have seen the video tapes of heads being cut off, I have seen people being shot, I have witnessed 9/11 and from all that I have read much and learned much about Islam. YOU, and the actions of people who share your faith FORCED me to learn about Islam. I was no moved through some admiration for Islam's contribution to the planet, I was moved to understand you because I have children and want them to live in the world I grew up in. NOT, in the world I have learned you dream that one day will exist.
Moose
"Iraq's most senior Sunni religious body said yesterday it would issue a fatwa outlawing the abduction and execution of any foreigner in the country".
This is nothing more than a public relations attempt on part of the Clerics.
The Islamo-fascists perpetrating the death and destruction of human life ,mind you in the most savage and barbaric ways, are hardcore Wahabbists. They will only follow their own evil and depraved ideology.
This so called fatwa is meaningless to them and will not curb the current barbarism of the Islamo-fascists in Iraq or for that matter anywhere else in the world.
Islamic jihadi attacks against children:
May 1970: Jihadi butchers attack a school bus at Moshar Avivim killing 12.
May 1974: Islamic scum attack a school in the town of Ma'alot, killing 24 and wounding 62.
So this is nothing new for these monsters. Israeli schools are now all fortified and school buses are all armored. Fasten seat belts, we are going to see many more before it's over, probably in the US.
In the Russian Orthodox tradition there is a 40 day period of mourning. Come mid-November, the jihadis are going to find out what kind of giant they have foolishly prodded awake this time. This time they may have managed to perturb the Russian soul itself and there's no unscrambling those eggs.
In the wake of the resignations of the Ossetian security heads, we should not be surprised to witness the emergence of Russian military leaders who live in the spirit of Georgi Zhukov.
Daniel Dravot,
The Jewish childern of Israel, as you correctly stated,have been slaughtered for many decades by the Islamo-fascists.
It is a sad commentary that it took the recent horror in Beslan,Russia to alert the world as to the true evil of Islam.
Now lets see what action will be taken...
"All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke
"With families gathering for wakes for the dead Saturday, some were vowing vengeance".
"Fathers will bury their children, and after 40 days (the Orthodox mourning period) ... they will take up weapons and seek revenge," said Alan Kargiyev, a 20-year-old university student in Vladikavkaz".
Islamo-fascists of Chechnya your recompense is coming...
In all these Muslim apologies, one thing is consistent. Islamic Apologists and Clerics are more concerned with the IMAGE of Islam than actual
ATROCITIES...
As with all fatwas, the fine print is in the Koran!
The truth must be made know to all Muslims, & repeated over and over again, until all Islamic followers & practitioners on this earth find Christianity to be the missing link, and the way to their enlightenment. Islam, post 7th Century, cleverly devised the Koran’s foundation from 4th Century Christianity, after the Roman Empire’s recognition of the Nicene Creed. Islamic scholars created the Koran as a Muslim ‘response’ to the Roman Christian Empire. This makes the Koran a political game, rather then a peaceful answer for humanity. When today’s Muslims research Christianity, i.e., Catholicism, they will find all the original ideas. Muslims, must be encouraged themselves & by Christians, to seek the roots of their Muslim beliefs. When they do, they will find Christianity to be the truth they were searching for all along, but were not able to find in Islam.
There are some interesting comments by either an Islamo-maggot or some liberal socialist scum, who identifies himself as "openeyes", at the following thread:
Russia: Beslan Citizens Lynch One of the Terrorists
Islam is not a violent religion as it seems to be. Let's be objective about this matter.
I agree that we see a lot of violence in the last few years, and most of them involve muslims, but let's see.
1- Islam used sword to propagate at a certain time in history, as did christianity with the crusaders. But that ended a long time ago.
2- Islam in its fundamentals ( the holy koran) says: no enforcement in religion. It's crystal clear. Now if some people cannot read arabic, it's their problem, not Islam's. Again, same case with christianity that teaches forgiving, not killing as it happened before.
3- Since when "defending your land" has become "terrorism" and "invading other countries" has become a virtue? Iraq is invaded, same as Palstine. Every person who is staying on an invaded land is an ennemy, and should be fought. How can the iraqis free their lands of invaders? by hugging them?? surely not. And i am sure that america would do the same to any country who tries to envade it. G.W Bush said that a couple of months ago on TV. He said he understands that every country has the right to defend its territory, including Iraq.
4- What about the palestinian children dying everyday? what do the jewish clirics say about this? at least muslim clirics deny it, but the Jews approve that killing palestinian children is good for the future of the Jewish state, as every child is a future "terrorist"!!!
5- I agree that what happened in Russia is un-islamic and absolutely wrong, but should we blame islam for this?
Muslim: I agree with you that Iraq shouldn't have been invaded.
As far as Islam using the sword, a large number of non-muslims think that Islam still uses the sword. Just look at Beslan: Chechen rebels are trying to set up an Islamic state. And why do so many apostates from Islam live in fear of their lives, EVEN in the United States.
The Koran may say that there is no enforcement of religion, but it also says kill the unbelievers as well.
muslim,
"5- I agree that what happened in Russia is un-islamic and absolutely wrong, but should we blame islam for this?"
I'll bite, who or what should we blame?
Moose
Big door,
Tell us your testimony. Are you an apostate of islam?
Am kinda wondering if our new friend 'muslim' here is not reza in disguise. But no, there seems to be some attempt at clarity and coherence in his/her arguments, something beyond Ms. Reza's faculties.
Well, Mr.Muslim, dunno if you've read the past posts and articles putup here cause they deal with the fundamental reasons why we at this forum resist islam and islamism. Well, readup the koran and Mr. Spencer's excellent books on the subject if you've any doubts and questions.
Our position simply stated is that:
" Islam by its very nature, is not, was not and can never be a peaceful religion believing in mutual co-existence with equality and justice among non-muslims.
Islam alone amongst all major prophet-based faiths preaches violence against non-moslems, condones deception in the larger goal of attaining dar-al-islam and a repelling spiritual slavishness devoid of all honest questioning, meaningful enquiry and genuine dissent in explicit terms (in Mohd's own words as recorded in the Hadith).
Can you imagine jesus or a buddha saying "cut off their fingers and then their hands and slay them" to their followers while referring to ANYBODY?
Our problem is with islam itself. There maybe good individual muslims but islam itself is neither good nor peaceful.
God bless the free world.
muslim maggot,
Your comments reflect the typical Islamic propaganda garbage that I would expect from from a Islamo-fascist such as yourself.
Unfortunately at this moment I have a meeting to attend,therefore when I return I shall in further detail respond to your Islamo-trash.
Hmm. Hmmmmm. The clerics now understand that the world is focused on Islam, and thing could VERY BADLY for them in the future. It IS more than a shame that slaughter of children in other countries, Israel, Nigeria, Sudan, etc., has been going on for decades with little or no condemnation.
Muslim quatrains state:
"1- Islam used sword to propagate at a certain time in history, as did christianity with the crusaders. But that ended a long time ago."
Same old comparison, crusades, crusades and the crusades. I will not illustrate Christianity's history to yet another ignoramus. Read it for yourself. What I will compare is the founding fathers of these two, very different religions.
Muhammad was a warrior, a pirate, a thief, a pedophile and a murderer.
Jesus was none of these.
You are correct that Christianity's violence ended a long time ago. Islam's has not and has no reason to do so. Islam and violence are synonymous.
"2- Islam in its fundamentals ( the holy koran) says: no enforcement in religion. It's crystal clear. Now if some people cannot read arabic, it's their problem, not Islam's. Again, same case with christianity that teaches forgiving, not killing as it happened before."
Thank you for confirming that Islam is an "Arab Exclusive" club.
You'll forgive me if I don't buy into the farce that God expects the lot of us to learn Arabic to understand him.
Only Muhammad would expect that. And why? Because he had no visions, no dictations and certainly no prophetic imaginations.
He was the ultimate 7th century Jim Jones.
"3- Since when "defending your land" has become "terrorism" and "invading other countries" has become a virtue? Iraq is invaded, same as Palstine."
Got half of number 3, but the rest is tripe. This surah deserves some attention.
There is nothing wrong with defending one's land, but blowing up YOUR OWN in defense of that land is wrong. Iraqis do it, Palestinians do it and Muslims do it.
"4- What about the palestinian children dying everyday? what do the jewish clirics say about this? at least muslim clirics deny it, but the Jews approve that killing palestinian children is good for the future of the Jewish state, as every child is a future "terrorist"!!!"
Reverse the question and ask yourself, "What the hell are you and the Arabic Middle Eastern countries doing about it?"
Constantly whining, constantly blaming and never comprehending the "idea!" that gee whiz, it might be our faults!
Overthrow your governments, imprison the clerics and unite to overthrow your perceived abuse by the Israelis.
This will not happen, of course, because it is much easier and prudent, in light of a massive superiourity, to lay low an play the "oppressed muslim."
"5- I agree that what happened in Russia is un-islamic and absolutely wrong, but should we blame islam for this?"
Un-Islamic? Muhammad oversaw the mass execution of men, women and CHILDREN. If the "Holy Prophet" had a rifle, he would have back-shot those same Russian children. Islam is to blame.
"3- Since when "defending your land" has become "terrorism" and "invading other countries" has become a virtue? Iraq is invaded, same as Palstine. Every person who is staying on an invaded land is an ennemy, and should be fought. How can the iraqis free their lands of invaders? by hugging them?? surely not. And i am sure that america would do the same to any country who tries to envade it. G.W Bush said that a couple of months ago on TV. He said he understands that every country has the right to defend its territory, including Iraq."
http://insideviewfromiraq.blogspot.com/
Here is something you might want to read muslim.
Moose
O.T. but here is a good Canadian news article.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/weinreb090604.htm
Dang it!!
How come Moe's Foe seems to give the correct answers before I get on? I feel like I'm on "Jeopardy" or something...
P.S.
Son of Infidel....
You've identified yourself as a Christian on this board ad infiditem. Please remember that.
Muslim- (Yes, perhaps it's you, Reza, baby!!)
Address the situation in Kashmir. That's all I ask.
What about the Shiites? Are they going to agree with a sunni muslim and stop doing this? What sect are a majority of the terrorists from? I have a list of terrorists grops from the Navy post graduate school but they don't list what sect they are from. Does anyone know?
Posted by: General_Patton at September 6, 2004 01:34 PM
Sunni
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Victory and Open their Eyes to the Islamic Terrorist Amen
Just read this story, 16 year old girl had a "sharp tounge" so they killed her.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=137
I'll only respond to mr. voletti, since his is the only appropriate response to my post.
>"Islam by its very nature, is not, was not and >can never be a peaceful religion believing in >mutual co-existence with equality and justice >among non-muslims."
To clarify this, Islam has co-existed with many other cultures, specially in its beginnings. Christians and Jews used to live in islamic regious without any problems.
The Book (holy Koran) never said "preaches violence against non-muslims". I guess you have some knowledge about islam, so if you have a translated version of the koran you should see something like the following: "don't fight them until they fight you, and if they do, then fight. If they surrender, then you have no right against them, Allah does not like hostility." (First sorah called "al bakara"). I can refer many other Ayas like this one. Nowhere in the book it says "start a fight" or "kill children".
Dar al Islam means the world of Islam, or the house of Islam. That happens when everybody is joins islam "by will", not "by force".
Actually Islam means peace and surrender, in Arabic.
>"Islam alone amongst all major prophet-based >faiths preaches violence against non-moslems, >condones deception in the larger goal of >attaining dar-al-islam and a repelling >spiritual slavishness devoid of all honest >questioning, meaningful enquiry and genuine >dissent in explicit terms (in Mohd's own words >as recorded in the Hadith)."
Can you refer me please to that hadith? the exact words?
>Can you imagine jesus or a buddha saying "cut >off their fingers and then their hands and slay >them"
That refers to "theifs" only, not to everybody. It's the low to protect the society against theft.
Your problem with islam is that you only see one side, never both sides. You count children killed by muslims, and never count muslim children killed by the offenders, was it USA, Israel or Russia.
Most islam wars happen on "islamic lands",why so? what brought american solders to iraq?? just to die and accuse muslims? what brought jews to israel? to die and accuse muslims? All of them are there to fight and invade, so that's what they should expect, fight and death.
Muslims will defend their lands with every weapon they have, and they should! they have families to feed, and lives to live. Will not give our properties to other for free, price has to be paid.
People must be objective and listen to both sides, not only biased media.
And the acts of some criminals do not apply to everybody who happens to have the same religion of those criminals.
Nonesense! This is a ploy.
Any final solution to the islamic question eventually will touch upon the haunting question of what to do with their children.
The islamic clerics have already offered their insights upon that issue in Russia -- to wit: "do em."
and to SFOD,
Islam and christianity are the same, only islam is more detailed in day-to-day matters.
Both believe in jesus as a prophet, and in his teachings.
The holy koran tells us about jesus, as well as about all other prophets like abraham, lout, and a hundred other who came for 1 message: belive in one God, and the ten commandments.
My mother is christian by birth, and my father didn't have a problem with that, and she didn't also have a problem marrying a muslim.
About copying from the bible, we don't call it copying, we call it "inspiring from the same source, which is GOD". Since there is only 1 GOD, and since this god sent both prophets, Jesus and Mohammed, then why should there be differences in the core of both religions?
Mohammed followed jesus, who in his turn followed Moses, who followed Abraham, and so on....
It's irrational to have all these prophets sent form one god, then say they are "copying" from each other, they are just following the same orders from the same source.
muslim---ur comments make me laugh-Christianity and Islam are the same?!?!Youve gotta be fuckin kidding me-next u will be saying that Jesus and Mohammed were the same--something to ponder-Mohammed is in fact by many considered one of the antichrists-example---while Jesus would step between a man and an angry mob, Mohammed would be the one to cast the first stone; while Jesus let his enemies have him and kill him, Mohammed had his enemies killed by assasins. While the New Testament is a compilation of stories based AFTER Christ's death. Mohammed had a rabbi write the Koran for he was illiterate. The Christian God is a forgiving, loving God, who condemns killing. Allah praises death. Never ever say that Islam is similar to Christianity-I dont care if your mother is Christian and your Father is Muslim-who are you to make religious comparisons? Are you a scholar. And your response to Palestian youth being killed by the Jews, yes it is sad that children die. But I guess you are not very smart because Palestinians have youth movements sponsored by such groups as Al-Aqsa making some of the childrens not so innocent- those Russian children have no part in Moscows war in Chechnya-neither do the women. Face the facts-with the exception of the IRA-N. Ireland conflict which was isolated to a certain region--the only terrorists of the last 30 years have been Islamic-so how do you think the rest of the world thinks of your kind-when the only people hijacking planes are named Makhmoud--not James---I spit on your religion-and your people created my hatred--not the government or a christian propaganda group. when muslims start being subjected to hate crimes in the U.S.-you can only thank your brothers---
Muslims that use the old "defending our homeland" excuse for terror must remember that when after the next terror attack in the west that there WILL be a bloody backlash against muslims...and after all we in the west will simply be "defending our homeland" against foreign agressors occupying our infidel lands.
register,
>something to ponder-Mohammed is in fact by many considered one of the antichrists
How could that be when half the koran talks about Jesus and Mary?? I don't care what those "many" think, I care what the book says, it's my only reference.
>while Jesus let his enemies have him and kill him, Mohammed had his enemies killed by assasins
Jesus didn't have a choice, did he? he was doing what his GOD told him to do, he was "sent to be crusified", right? so let's not acredit jesus for things he didn't have a choice in, the same with mohammed. And for your information, mohammed didn't assassin anybody, name me one! he fought his ennemies face to face. That's what the history tells us.
>The Christian God is a forgiving, loving God, who condemns killing. Allah praises death.
again, reference your words!
>those Russian children have no part in Moscows war in Chechnya-neither do the women
I already said I condemn this, and this is un-islamic
>so how do you think the rest of the world thinks of your kind-when the only people hijacking planes are named Makhmoud
His name was not Makhmoud, his name was Mohammed Atta, and he was only 1 muslim, and trained by the CIA!
Let me ask you, WHO TRAINED BIN LADEN??? America!!!
Who helped SADDAM??? America!!!
Who abused prisoners in Abu-gharib? did awful things to them? tortured them and humiliated them? sexually abused them???? who did all this? where they muslims? OR AMERICAN??
why is killing children in russia terrorism while BOMBING A MARKET FULL OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY in afghanstan and killing hundreds not called terrorism?
DID YOU FORGET WHEN ISRAEL BOMBED A PALESTINIAN SCHOOL LAST YEAR??? killing at least 90 children??? what did these children do?? this is not terrorism? all they did was going to school and learning.
Again, stop blaming islam for everything, look at yourselves and your actions, before you condemn others.
And if you had the least knowledge about islam or chirstianity, you could bring the two books, read them and them come back and tell me they are not the same in core.
USA girl,
hahaha,
who's occupying your "infidel land"??
I don't see any occupiers, i only see americans in iraqi land, in vietnam and cuba before, and israelis in palestine, etc...
don't make me laugh
Muslim,
First, consider what the Christian Bible says about the origin of the Muslims. Why are so many Muslims hostile towards the West. The Bible gives us a clue to this, where in Genesis 16:12 the descendants of Ishmael, who are the Arabs, are described as "wild men" who will be against everyone, and everyone against them. Ishmael was Abraham's son by his wife Sarah's servant Hagar, while Abraham later had a son by Sarah, who was Isaac, who became father to the nation of Israel. Actually the description of Ishmael literally translates from Hebrew as "wild donkey man".This explains the behavior of the Muslims.
True Christianity, is characterized by love, forgiveness, and internal obedience to the Holy Spirit. Christianity represents the spirit of love and forgiveness. Islam is at the opposite end of the spectrum, intolorence, hatred, subguation and vindictive violence.
In comparing Islam and Christianity lets look at the lives Jesus and Mohammed. Jesus lived a sinless life, whereas Mohammed prayed earnestly and frequently for forgiveness of his sins. Jesus never conducted any bloody Crusades, however, Mohammed fought or led in 66 battles. Jesus never ordered the death of anyone. Mohammed ordered the death of many men and women who refused to be converted to Islam.
Jesus's goal was to establish his Kingdom internally in the heart of man first, and then let it affect the world. Mohammed wanted an earthly empire built by external obedience and war.
Christianity is based on mercy and love for its enemies, whereas Islam requires the sword for its enemies. Jesus was crucified for the sins of the world and was resurrected on the third day. Mohammed died from pneumonia at age 62.
muslim,
the NUMEROUS illegal muslims(and the legal ones who have spoken in favor of the terror attacks...they have broken the vows to put their adopted land BEFORE anything including their false religion) in our nation...most of the 9-11 hijackers were here illegally...thats who...and trust me when I speak of the bloodbath muslims will face here after the next attack from islamic terrorists...it will be a horror they couldnt even imagine...its already being planned, more Americans are arming themselves, men and women alike...we will not bend over and take it from you people...there will be no more chances such as were given after 9-11...and the authorities will do little to stop it this time....we have a right to defend our country and our way of life.
Muslim,
"His name was not Makhmoud, his name was Mohammed Atta, and he was only 1 muslim, and trained by the CIA!"
I was waiting for that one...
"Let me ask you, WHO TRAINED BIN LADEN??? America!!!"
Yes, and you are very welcome that AMERICA was very much a part of protecting a piece of Islamic real estate from becoming part of the Soviet Union. You are also welcome for AMERICA protecting Saudi Arabia from becoming part of Saddam Hussein's little paradise.
Moose
Muslim said:
"Your problem with islam is that you only see one side, never both sides". Unles they are both yours
You said it, and there is the problem ; the two faces of Islam.
I find it interesting that you just tried to equate the Jewish responce to palestinian terrorists Ideology as if they had written the 36 articles of the Hamas charter themselves.
I suppose you subscribe to that hatful disgusting document that takes its ideology from the Quran. And if you do, you are playing the role of a deceiver and a liar as you speak in english and then say another in Arabic.
We may be ahl-al-dhimmi and Ahl al -Kitab and yet you call for a dar al-harb against us, yes you are two faces indeed. The word hypocrit seems to be non-existent in Arabic---
oh and "palestine"...is thats kind of like the fictional land of shangrila...but filled with garbage...why not admit that as a muslim you would like to see the TOTAL destruction of Isreal and her people...go ahead be honest...its what muslims have been striving for...except that everytime you try the Jews knock you on your asses...Im beginning to think the definition of jihad is "lets get out asses kicked by the Jews again"...muslim you are preaching to the wrong crowd here...we have been tolerant...we have tried to give the benefit of the doubt...no longer can we be fooled,this has become a case of survival.. you are not the only one to try...and unfortunatly for you even mainstream media are starting to us "islamic terror" when reporting...even one of your own had to admit that while not all muslims are terrorists...most terrorists are muslim...dont waste your breath...there are liberal sites where a few still buy the whole "religion of peace"
thing...try preaching there.
Tell us ...what do you think would happen if the religion of terror took american school kids hostage such as in russia....I shudder to think of the horror and destruction your people will face here...we are not stupid people, there will be another attack...and it will be islams biggest mistake...we are not france or spain.
Son of Infidel....
You've identified yourself as a Christian on this board ad infiditem. Please remember that.
Posted by: kafira at September 6, 2004 05:52 PM
I am glad that you have a good memory...
to Mackie,
>I find it interesting that you just tried to equate the Jewish responce to palestinian terrorists Ideology as if they had written the 36 articles of the Hamas charter themselves
Hamas is also defending their land, palestine, which is occupied by the jews.
When it comes to defending your land, everything is acceptable. How can you blame someone calling for violence to defend their properties?
Israel has been destroying palestinian houses every single day, and killing at least 3 palestinian children "every single day", what do you want Hamas to do? call for peace?? why didn't america call for peace after 9/11 attacks? why retaliate and cause more blood??
The same logic applies everywhere, and what is accepted for america should be accepted for palestine.
In palestine there is no terrorism, there is an occupied land that should be back to its owners. Once that is done, no more reason for blood and war. But what is happening is that israel is taking more and more lands, a week ago occupied the west bank, then enters a village and kills people there, then goes back to another village.
Israel is a country built on hatred to non-jews, and racism as well. It's a country for jews only. And every non-jewish should die. Every month they build another settlement in a palestinian land, and the UN calls for removing these, but nobody listens. Why?
So don't blame Hamas for anything.
kafira,
PS: and you have identified yourself on this board numerous times, as the heathen that you are.
Moose,
>Yes, and you are very welcome that AMERICA was >very much a part of protecting a piece of >Islamic real estate from becoming part of the >Soviet Union. You are also welcome for AMERICA >protecting Saudi Arabia from becoming part of >Saddam Hussein's little paradise.
What are you talking about???
america didn't "protect" anybody, america "used" muslims to "fight" the Soviet Union. There was a "cold war", wasn't it?? America wanted to stop the propagation of communism as well as weaken the soviet union. So america "armed" bin Laden and used him to fight the union, because america didn't want to enter in a war itself. This was a very coward behavior, and they were not "protecting" anybody.
As for Saddam, america also armed Saddam to fight Iran after the death of the iranian "shah", and the ruling of the islamic revolution in iran.
America was moved by Israel's interest to weaken the arab world, specially Iran, since Iran was the biggest threat to israel's existence, after Iraq. So america played a role in getting iran and iraq to fight each other and kill each other.
This will all be clear if america allowed Saddam to talk about the iraq-iran war in his trial, but it seems even talking about that war is forbidden right now, haha.
So stop saying america is protecting, it is only causing more and more wars.
When pali terrorists blow up a bus in ISRAEL killing innocent people, or gun down 4 small girls with their pregnant mother....ISRAEL has every right to act to defend their country BY ANY MEANS necessary...see how it works against muslims as well...funny how muslims only want it to work THEIR way...as I said to put an end to terror you simply take away whatever the maggots were killing or terrorizing for...bulldoze it, blow it up...make it uninhabitable...deport them ..whatever, once they see that their tactics of terror actually DESTROY what they wanted instead of getting it for them there will be no more...oh and I dont care how much land Israel gives...muslims want israel destroyed...imagine a "holy book" that calls other human beings "sons of apes and pigs"...disgusting
BTW if the US would have done nothing...there would have been thousands more innocent americans blown out of buildings and off planes by now...we have an enemy that we must not trust and must work to destroy...this is survival.
O.T., here is a essay on Islam in Time magazine.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040913/
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501040913-692960,00.html?cnn=yes
USAgirl again!
Israel is built on an occupied land, so give me one reason to welcome this state and its people?
would you welcome someone who comes invading your house?
I don't hate jews, because there are some nice ones.few, that's right, but exist.
I have every person, country or entity that steals something by force. And that's what isreal was built, and that what caused the problem of palestine.
where am i wrong in that?
go back to 1948, when palesting was for palestinians, and jews started to immigrate there by large quantities. What happened at that time? after WWII and what hitler did, the jews began seeking simpathy, and Belfor promised them a land. What was that land? palestine.
1948, the jews were armed, and in one night, the rebelled, killed and commited massacres in Der Yassine and other palestinian territories.
Read the history, and you will see that only the jews started this. They took women and children that night , as well as men, put them against walls and killed them with cold blood. That was the rise of a new country called Israel, on the occupied land of palestine.
So give me one reason not to welcome israel please!
usagirl,
could you please reference where did you read "son of apes and pigs" in the Koran?
i think the people here are interested to know.
If you can't, then you're lying. I'm sorry for this.
Well muslim, as I thought your people were just once again puppets of the West and were not capable of doing without the help. Maybe there should have been some suicide bombings against the people transporting arms into Afghanastan and maybe a few suicide bombers for the American troops in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?
Muslims TOOK the help from America and defeated the threat they faced. Period. WITH the help of the biggest nation just packed with infidels.
It is only afterwards that you figured out that there was mutual interest in America coming to your Muslim lands? So next time, refuse the help.
Moose
Moose,
why should we refuse help when we want it?
did saddam attack america afterwards?
why america attacked Iraq now??
what is the reason??? there was no reason at all.
Only to invade.
O.T. yet again. But I think everyone should read this article.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040913/wnomani.html
Muslim,
The Palistinians culture of hate, death and destruction.
Palestinian children are becoming human bombs, ar strapping on suicide belts andgoing into Israel to kill as many Jews as possible.
These brain washed children are now recruiting their classmates and cousins to become suicide bombers.
Palestinian society and Palestinian leaders revel in child "martyrdom," and the Palestinian media and schools do all they can to encourage a cult of death among children. The Palestinian leader, Yasir Arafat, grand daddy of all terrorists , stated in an interview on Palestinian TV that:
"... this child who is grasping the stone, facing the tank, is it not the greatest message to the world when that hero becomes a shahid [martyr]? We are proud of them ..."
The most common recruitment tool used are music videos which, are broadcast for hours on end by the official Palestinian television,there is of course no independent television under Arafat's rule.
The videos are a call to death and martyrdom for Palestinian children. Promising to them the glories and pleasures of heaven to the young "warriors for Allah":
"How sweet is the fragrance of the shahids, how sweet is the scent of the earth, its thirst quenched by the gush of blood flowing from the youthful body."
Other music videos also aimed at children and broadcast repeatedly tell the young viewers that:
"Oh, young ones: Shake the earth, raise the stones.
You will not be saved, O Zionist, from the volcano of my country's stones.
You are the target of my eyes, I will even willingly fall as a shahid [martyr for Allah].
Allahu akbar [god is great]! Oh, young ones!"
Many Palestinian parents praise their sons and daughters for carrying out suicide attacks, hailing them as heroes and martyrs.
The IDF does not and never has deliberately tageted childern even in spite of the above.
As far as your Islamo-fascist brethern are concerned, the same certainly does not apply.
Speak of the devil!
go to http://www.msn.com right now, msn's homepage, and read the news "at least 13 killed in Gaza".
why is isreal doing this?
click on the news and see the picture of a "civilian".
more than 20 other wounded.
When will isreal realise that violence only leads to violence and retaliation? when??
Son of Infidel,
fighting for your rights and land is "never wrong", even when killing yourself, as long as your land is occupied you should do "whatever you can" to get it back.
As for "children", can you name me 1, only 1, just 1 child who commited suicide bombing?????
just 1, not 2, only 1 child.
If throwing a stone against a tank is called suicide bombing and terrorism, then we should re-define terrorism.
So if you can't name me 1 child who suicided (child means aged less than 16), then stop talking about children being suicide bombers.
Children have nothing to do with this, they want to play and go to school.
They are raised on defending their rights, that's right, and that's how you should raise your children.
But to kill children and say they are suicide bombers?? this is nonesense at all, this is disgusting.
Thanks for the quotes register...we do need to remember that a person who follows the teachings of a child rapist (or whatever you would call a middle aged man that had sex with a 9 year old) would therefore have to condone this behavior or would not be accepting of their prophet, so thats what we are dealing with here....
as for a child suicide bomber....how is a 12 year old for you....
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/palestinians/
Lets not forget about the 15 year old last year who was mentally deficient and did not understand what he was doing...even that childs mother was furious that they were using her son as a human bomb....
off to bed now...some of us have jobs that dont entail blowing up innocent people and have to punch a clock....
register,
hahahah,
great, i'm too tired right now
tomorrow i'll answer every "aya" you posted, because you are taking only lines, and missing previous lines that are as important to understand the aya as those you posted.
but i'll reply fast to some of them:
>And fight the unbelievers totally even as they fight you totally; and know that God is with the godfearing."-Surah IX(45)
what wrong with that? it says "and fight the unbelievers totally ''''even'''' as they fight you"
which means do not "over" fight them, just to them as they do to you. Nothing wrong with them.
>Thou shalt not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day who are loving to anyone who opposes God and His Messenger
What's wrong with that also??
>>Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."
What does the Aya before this one state? please post it here so that it will be clearer what we are talking about. do not just pick up lines in the middle of other lines.
>>Whoso commits aggression against you, do you commit aggression against him like as he has committed against you
nothing wrong with that also, it's your right to fight back who fights you
http://www.pmw.org.il/index.html
Moose
Many living in Western Democracies are ‘in the closet’ Agnostics & Atheists. This is why Westerns are troubled when they hear about Islamic Martyrdom, (male Martyrs meeting over 70 virgins after a successful operation). Martyrdom & the rewarded after life, do not logically compute. The first reaction is...you must be joking, Muslims actually believe this? Are Muslims brainwashed, or simply overwhelmed with fear & accept the demands of Allah’s Prophet(s)? Many Westerners believe in Science, Laws, Ethics, Morality, & Technology, and are moving away from the fears & unquestioned obedience usually required in big Religion. The problem with Secularism in the West, this leaves the door open to Islam filling the gap. Many Westerns take their Freedoms for granted, & are ignorant of the level of Lock-Down found in Totalitarian Islamic regimes. Christianity will be one of the important tools the West will use to challenge the many intolerant teachings of Islam...brought into Western lands by endless streams of economic migrants and other Islamic immigrants.
Hey muslim,
Go back to your beheading videos, we don't need your medieval rantings here. As for defending land - my land is infested with the followers of the moon god and pretty soon we will be defending our rights to reject your filthy death-loving cult. The days of reckoning are coming for the black heart of Islam.
Muslim, first off you make me want to puke. Don't ever come in here defending a religion that approves the slaughter of children. You Turd!!
Then I want to comment on your statement:
As for "children", can you name me 1, only 1, just 1 child who commited suicide bombing?????
I am a bit rusty on the news items being I am deployed in the military wiping the earth clean of your kind, but I seem to remember I think a year ago or so a twelve year old boy who got stopped at a checkpoint in Isreal or somewhere, with all kinds of explosives with him, and was paid like 3 dollars to carry it through the checkpoint and most likely explode it somewhere very populated??? Help me with the specifics friends of this site. Peaceful religion, suck it!!
Resister,
We appreciate reading the brilliant foresight for eternal peace, in the teachings of Christianity. Those were the timeless, powerful & positive words of Jesus.
The was a 14 year old named Husam Abdu from Nablus. The oldest suicide bomber that actually was sucessful was 16 years old and I believe he was from the same place.
Their children die because they teach them to...their children die because their hatred of the Jews goes beyond wanting to live. They do this because of fear...fear of their god's cruelity and hate and the hellfire that awaits them. They have no hope or assurance that they will get out of the torture of their god unless they hate and kill. Self destruction and hate is the only way to paradise for them.
Twenty eight martyrs killed by the hands of ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS IN IRAQ. Innocent unarmed victims condemned by race, nationality or vocation.
Three hundred fifty martyrs killed by the hands of ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS IN RUSSIA.
There was no courage in the actions of the ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS but only cowardice.
Slaughtering the innocent like sheep. Islam shall condemn or be condemned.
Pray for all confused muslims that they shall be led into the light.
Muslim is a perfct example of the kind of Islamo-fascist that we are all fighting against.
No matter how much "factual" proof and substantive arguments that are presented to this Islamist, we will only get the same rhetorical responce.
They are all in a constant state of denial concerning the evil and vile ideology that they cling to.
Their mind and soul has been poisoned and corrupted by the "demonic" evil that they worship.
"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"
Muslim's mother was a christian and his father was a muslim....any wonder why he is not a christian? Didn't his mother teach him anything? Oh, yeah, father knows best!
These muslims have been decieved by the evil spirit that created their religion. He is destined for hell fire so he's taking as many of them with him. Islam is a satanic fraud and decption to harvest souls.
Muslim stated:
"So if you can't name me 1 child who suicided (child means aged less than 16), then stop talking about children being suicide bombers".
As I said before all you Islamo-bastards are in a constant state of denial.
Here is the proof.
Would-be suicide bomber
runs home
Some Palestinians unafraid to speak out against child 'martyr
WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: April 24, 2002
"Israel's month-long offensive to smash Palestinian terrorist strongholds in the West Bank has had a side effect worth noting: Some ordinary Palestinians are no longer afraid to speak out and admit their distress – in front of television cameras".
"In the Jabalya camp of the Gaza Strip, the local correspondent for Israel's Channel 2, Seliman a-Shafi, gave Sunday night viewers a rare glimpse into the mind of a would-be suicide killer – a terrified adolescent aged 14 who freely told his story".
"Sent on a suicide mission against an Israeli military position – he did not say by which group – he set out with another boy in the dark of night. Halfway there, he stopped".
"I didn't want to die," he said, tears rolling down his face. "I wanted to go back to my family." He tried to persuade his friend to return home with him. The friend refused. The boy turned back alone and a few minutes later heard an explosion. Filled with fear, he ran hard until he reached the safety of home".
"The boy's family took part in the interview, led by his comfortably ample mother and surrounded by her large brood. "They take our children when they are too young to understand, to decide if they want to die. Why don't they take the louts hanging round the markets? My boy is in shock. He can't stop weeping. He doesn't know whether he did right or wrong. We don't let him out of the house without his father – in case he changes his mind again, or they catch him. We are all in shock."
"In a strong, assertive voice, she told the interviewer that she was not the only mother in this situation. The Gaza Strip is full of women keeping a tight hold on their young sons. "All of us here are badly traumatized," she said. "But there is not a single psychologist in the whole territory to help us."
"The boy from Gaza was not by any means the youngest child to be marked out as a "martyr." In Jenin, where the walls were plastered with large posters depicting dozens of dead youths, Israeli soldiers learned to beware of innocent-looking 10- and even 7-year-olds with hidden bombs".
MUSLIM
Have a question for you - this occurs in other mixed faiths when one is Muslim.How come you were
brought up as a Muslim and not as a Christian??
In other cases such as I've encountered it is ALWAYS the Christian who HAS to let child/children
of these marriages be brought up [brainwashed] as
Muslims.
You know the punishment for Apostates - NO OTHER RELIGION KILLS PEOPLE WHO LEAVE EXCEPT ISLAM!!
Now we comes to Jews [I'm an Agnostic by the way so it's no use calling me one}]. Jews and Christians occupied much of the Middle East before
being slaughtered and driven out by your murderous
Prophet and bloodthirsty henchmen. Therefore, the Jews are only claiming what is rightfully theirs.
As they have conquered large chunks of land around
Israel [if they wanted to follow your lovely Prophet] they could claim this land too. I have no
problem with this. During WW2 many Arabs joined Hitler in gleefully killing Jews including Mufti
Al Husseini [May he burn in Hell if there is one].
Your lot deserves everything they're going to get
as the rest of the World are sick of Muslims - Period. Islam has destroyed countless cultures and
have the murders, desecration and blood of millions of peaceful Buddhists on their hands whose civilization they destroyed in central Asia
and Afghanistan. So stop your whining, read history instead and be ashamed of what your'peaceful and tolerant ' religion has done to
this planet. You can either reform your Death Cult
or accept the consequences - the World will not be held to ransome by Islam much longer...
CGW,
Sorry I didn't reply to your comment, I leff yesterday after leaving this comment. I've been on "Talk Left" trashing the liberals views on the Beslan massacre.You should see it buddy the laughable bastards are still talking about Timothy McVeighs "christian terrorist attack", and still using it to justify islamic bombings...etc.
I could do with a Right wing copadre on there as a side-kick.
Morgane,
Your right about the clerics more worried about islams image being destroyed, and the other day I was on an islamic forum (islamic dawn or something...) and the only ones condemning the Beslan massacre where ones saying there wer muslims among the Beslan kids which made it wrong (as though the fact that christian kids were killed was just collateral damage).
Wankers!!!
Muslim,
I think you'd make an exellent suicide bomber, why not become one. But do a practice run among your own scummy kind first.
frontline_73
We sincerely respect the Military for all the positive achievements made in Afghanistan, Iraq, and everywhere else in the world. Fight the good fight, & we all await your safe return from the mission. The Military has true Patriots; Americans looking out for the rest of us back home & spreading democracy in Afghanistan & Iraq will pay dividends in the long run, in a less hostile future.
"I could do with a Right wing copadre on there as a side-kick".
I am there, what is the url.
I like nothing more that giving the lefties a good waxing.
OT
Sheik Canuck-
Thanks for posting the link. Great article. Unfortunately, I don't think this sort of thing will fly in the non-Western Islamic world for a long, long time.
Son of Infidel, just Google Talkleft.
Son of infidel the URL:
www.talkleft.com
and go to the thread entitled:
" Link between Chechen Terrorists and Al Qaeda."
Regarding Muslim's claim that the Palestinians are merely defending/trying to reclaim what is their land -- is he/she an expert on the demographics of the area now known as Israel?
FYI, there has always been a Jewish presence within those borders and four of its larger urban areas, Jerusalem and Safed among them, were predominantly Jewish, and long before Eastern European Jews started to migrate in the late 1800s into what was then a fairly sparsely populated area, where much of the land was owned by absentee landowners.
The establishment of Jewish settlements that followed brought with an improved economy that led to migrations of Arabs from surrounding areas as well as more Jewish immigrants.
It is also interesting to note that when it came to counting Palestinian refugees following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the responsible UN agency in its wisdom counted Arabs with as little as two years' residence in Israel as refugees, even if they had only moved from one village back to the village from which they had come and their families still lived. This differs completely with the way refugee status is accorded in any other situation where the UN has been involved.
The "Palestinian cause" amounts to little more a straw man, created and used by the Arab world to keep infidels out of their midst, their own denizens subservient under despots and tyrants, and manipulate the price of its only valuable commidity.
More muslim LIES. See the following Rueters story wherein several women were just abducted in Baghdada...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040907/ts_nm/iraq_dc_45
Ahhhhh, muslim lies......
>5:33-34
>The only reward of those who "make war" upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful
When the koran says "Who make war upon Allah and His messenger", that means "if they start a war against you", and does not mean hostility. This is obvious, when someone fights you, you should fight back, until he wants peace, which shows in the rest of the same aya "Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful", that means you should give mercy to those who give you peace.
>98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures
This is GOD's punishment, not ours. And that also exists in christianity.
Christ told us about hell, didn't he? and what did the christ say about hell? who will be in hell?
If we believe in heaven and hell, then both religions have the same hell, and for the same people.
Otherwise, what is hell made for??
>Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'
the same applies also to these verses: 40:67-40:73 , 18:28-30, 22:19-22:23
But let me state other verses, more beautiful verses:
19:16 Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East
19:17 She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
19:18 She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
19:20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
19:21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
19:22 So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
19:23 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
19:24 But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
19:25 "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
19:26 "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
19:27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
19:28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
19:29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
19:30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
19:31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live
19:32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
19:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
19:34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
19:35 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
19:36 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.
19:37 But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
19:38 How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!
19:39 But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!
register,
in your previous statement, near the end, when you said :
Surah II (35)
"And fight in the way .....
until the end.
I cannot find these verses, please make sure you have the correct surah number and aya number.
Surah #2 , verse 35 says:
2:35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
What is your reference for these verses????
Posted by: muslim
Islam and christianity are the same, only islam is more detailed in day-to-day matters.
Both believe in jesus as a prophet, and in his teachings.
The holy koran tells us about jesus, as well as about all other prophets like abraham, lout, and a hundred other who came for 1 message: belive in one God, and the ten commandments.
My mother is christian by birth, and my father didn't have a problem with that, and she didn't also have a problem marrying a muslim.
About copying from the bible, we don't call it copying, we call it "inspiring from the same source, which is GOD". Since there is only 1 GOD, and since this god sent both prophets, Jesus and Mohammed, then why should there be differences in the core of both religions?
Mohammed followed jesus, who in his turn followed Moses, who followed Abraham, and so on....
It's irrational to have all these prophets sent form one god, then say they are "copying" from each other, they are just following the same orders from the same source.
From http://feistymama.com/bp/mohammed.htm
This article is intended to warn Christians who may be "duped" into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; "I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society -- where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed". According to many interpretations of the Quran, conversion from Islam is punishable by death. Read the true history of Islam below and then look into your own heart to see if you are missing something. Today may be the time to free yourself from that tyrannical yoke of living in a false religion.
1. Most Muslims do not realize that Islam allows no freedom, and this alone should make them realize that it is Satan behind Islam who wishes to enslave Muslims to turn them away from the truth. Islamic law encourages Muslims to proselytize. Islam, however, clearly forbids others to proselytize to Muslims - because hearing the truth as revealed in the Christian Bible would weaken this false path to God; which Islam surely is.
Christians need to remember, Jesus Christ warned us that if you deny Him, He will deny you before the Father. Islam is built on subtle lies which have been concocted by evil men. Islam is the only religion that says that Jesus did not die on the cross. It denies this historical fact about Jesus which therefore negates the salvation given us by His painful death and resurrection fom the dead. Muslims think they have "this base" covered because they show reverence to Jesus as a "great Prophet" only. However, only those who have been chosen by the Holy Spirit to truly believe that Jesus of Nazareth was born, died to atone for our sins, and rose again from the dead have not "denied Jesus". You "deny" Jesus when you do not follow His teachings, such as He is the only way to the Father and salvation. You deny Jesus when you do not make Him the center of your life. Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah foretold thousands of years before His arrival by numerous Prophets of God. Jesus led a sinless life. And only Jesus, the Son of the Father is the awaited Christ and mediator between you and the Father.
And the truth shall set you free, so be free.
Muslim
Provided interesting verses about Jesus & Mary. I did notice, in the verses, the subtle threats of damnation for unbelievers (Jesus as the son of God or Allah).
Bar
Mentioned how Jesus is your way to salvation,
& may be for Muslims.
Resister
Mentioned the ‘words’ of Jesus, found in Luke’s Chapter. For me, this was vital. I did not only want to hear about the consequences of not believing, but also the ‘words’ of Jesus, His words are of a peacemaker, & these words of peace have helped billions since they were first introduced 2000 years ago.
Give examples of what Jesus said, so others may follow his words into their personal daily interactions with others.