A story about discrimination against Muslims which takes no notice of the many documented acts of violence by Muslims against others, or of the possibility that Muslim groups' stated intention to replace the existing order with Sharia states may give rise to "distrustful attitudes toward Muslims." From AP, with thanks to Ali Dashti:
VIENNA (Austria) - Hostility towards Muslims is 'widespread' across much of the European Union (EU), where Islamic followers are subject to verbal and physical attacks as well as discrimination in jobs and housing, a human rights group said yesterday.Distrustful attitudes towards Muslims have grown since the Sept 11, 2001 attacks in the United States and the Madrid train bombings on March 11, said the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights (IHF).
'As the fight against terrorism has been stepped up, and public debate has increasingly focused attention on Islamic extremism, Muslim minorities have come under growing pressure in these countries and elsewhere,' said IHF executive director Aaron Rhodes.
The hostility goes beyond anti-Muslim sentiment, the Vienna-based group said in a new report, noting a rise in attacks on Muslims 'ranging from slurs and insults in the street to vandalism and serious physical violence'.
The 37-page report focused on complaints in Belgium, Britain, Denmark, France, Germany and Italy.
In Britain and Germany, Muslims were targeted by police searches and arrests 'in ways that have infringed on the rights of Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism', it said.
In Italy and Denmark, politicians branded Muslims as a security threat, and Muslims in Belgium and France were caught up in government efforts to ban girls from wearing traditional headscarves.
'In all these cases, moderate and peaceful Muslims have been victimised because of the views and acts of a minority of extremist Muslims who advocate violence and intolerance,' Mr Rhodes said.
Well, that is unfortunate. Maybe the moderates could make everyone's task easier by distinguishing themselves somehow. Maybe they could, say, help identify the radicals? Or at least expel them from their communities? Then they might find they would get "victimized" a lot less often.
Absurd.
How about the anti-Infidel acts that are rampant across the globe?
The Europeans may yet remember the heroic deeds and sacrifices of their ancestors when they were faced with the scourge of jihad. Names like Charles Martel, Pelayo, Richard Lionheart, and Jan Sobieski may again become household words.
I'm heartened by the fact that there are anti-muslim acts across Europe. It restores my faith in European anti-dhimmitude.
ditto voltaire.
but something tells me that it's unfortunately mostly the hooligan types who are responsible for all of that behavior, while all the responsible members of society still have one foot in the dhimmitude door.
We should have laws in our land giving us rights to refuse to hire muslims or house them. Many, in fact all non-muslims are treated as second-class citizens in muslim countries. It's time for muzzies in this land to have a taste of their own medicine.
you might say some of this treatment they're complaining about is reminiscent of what the unbelievers in muslim lands have lived with for fourteen centuries.
Moderate and peaceful on the surface, but the demographic increase will lead to demands, the same demands that Muslims have traditionally made throughout the centuries that leads to either conflict or overthrow of the host community.
Not enough Europeans, Australians, Canadians, or Americans see and understand the danger that "peaceful and non-violent Muslisms" pose for their well being and that of their children and grandchildren.
This just in:
Muslims in EU seething because Islamic terrorists are occasionally arrested. Demand investigation/sanctions.
Radical Muslim: one who kills non-muslims.
Moderate Muslim: one who cheers the radical on.
They're either openly opposed to Western society, or they're a fifth column.
As the so the Muslim 'moderates' show no inclination to spy on their Jihadis (in fact Muslims in the FBI and other security services, openly state that they cannot spy on fellow Muslims), it leaves us with little choice but to trawl with a wider net.
And if Muslims feel that they are disliked and distrusted, well who can blame the Infidels. Atleast we have not stooped to what the Muslims are doing to non-Muslims, slitting throats on camera while glorifying their demonic god.
I'm content that Muslims feel disliked and unwanted. Good. They should try darul Islam where they, their rituals and their allah belong.
Moderate and peaceful on the surface, but the demographic increase will lead to demands, the same demands that Muslims have traditionally made throughout the centuries that leads to either conflict or overthrow of the host community.
And the problem grows exponentially. How on earth did our politicians allow such a situation to come to pass? Surely they must have learnt the lesson of history. Europe prospered, gave rise to the Enlightenment and the rise of the scientific and industrial revolution. All these happened as a consequence of the defeat of the Islamic invasion of Europe. We kept them out and thus gave rise to a truly unique civilisation. Now because of the shear stupitidy of our present politicians, everything is under threat. Demographics will eventually lead to Islamic separatist movements in Europe. Bradfordistan etc will be the talk of the News media in the coming decades. There is no doubt of this eventuality. It is predictable, as it is prophesied and mandated in the koran.
Expulsion as proposed by Hugh or exchange of populations by me, are really born of desperation. I just cannot see what avenue is left to us. It seems a never ending civil strife between Muslims and non-Muslims, is going to be our future.
It is instructive to examine India. After a 1000 years of civil strife between Hindus and Muslims, Indians eventually lost territories to Muslims in the form of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Very few Hindus are now left in either of these two countries, while 40 million muslims in India at the time partition, has grown to 140 million now. Civil strife in the form of burning of Hindus in trains, bombs in Bombay, and the insurgency in Kashmir, still continue, despite the setting up of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
This is also our future.
DP111
That reminds me. If muslims have taken over parts of whole countries like India, and if they are fighting for control for parts of countries like the Phillipines and Russia, then what would stop them from trying to claim part of France, Germany or Britain for their own.
That Voltaire, is precisely what they are
attempting to do.
DP111, to set the record straight, the more blatant and egregios of jihadi actions didn't go unanswered in India.
For example, the train burning in Godhra, Gujrat in 2002 that killed 50 odd Hindu pilgrims (inclusing womena nd children) was met by violent riots that rocked the state of Gujrat for 2 months afterward. Moslems comprise some 10% of Gujrat's population and were outnumbered 9 to 1. The planning was disorganised, the mobs spontaneous, the weapons ordinary household tools and gasoline and their anger blinding.
The resulting carnage in which some 2000 moslmes perished was gruesome. The police and state apparatus refused to intervene. Ironically, the easy-to-melt Hindu psyche allowed many moslems to escape, some were even granted refuge while moslem properties were burnt down.
what would stop them from trying to claim part of France, Germany or Britain for their own.
Nothing. That future is writ large. It has happened all over the world. The whole of the ME was Christian, now it is Muslim. Lebanon was a Christian country but Arafat turned into a Muslim one. Lebanon was his success for allah and the jihad. One should not forget that.
At present, the same Jihad is being conducted in Nigeria and other parts of Africa. In Asia - Moluccas, Phillipines, India, Burma and Thailand, to name a few. Slice by slice is the policy, if they cannot get it one bite.
So what particularity is in the West that makes it an exception? I cannot see any. The more we pander to Islamic norms and rituals, the more persistent and insistent will be the demands. If they are refused, then that is sufficient justification for violent jihad, as sanctioned by the koran. All clerics - Hamza and Bakri quite truthfully tell us this. It is the moderate Muslims who are lying. Hamza and Bakri, are genuinely our friends.
We are in this war till the Calliphate is established worldwide or the coming of Judgement Day, whichever is the sooner. It is for this reason, that some of us are touting measures that are born of desperation. There does not seem to be a moderate solution to the dilemma.
Get more rampant and maybe some Muslims will decide to return to Middle East. Immigrants who are not Muslims be they Zoroastrians,Jains & others are welcome. But not MUSLIMS! Why should we welcome those who want to kill us and destroy our way of life??
voletti:
Agreed. The Hindu pschye is not up to the Jihadi one. If it had been the other way round, the scale of the killings would have been huge. Despite the Hindu pschye, Muslims in India are showing a new found respect of Hindus.
My only consolation is that Hindus will have learnt an important lesson and not go back to appeasement and dhimmification, though the new Congress government has plenty of practise in that department. In addition, there is a tendency in India to ape the liberals of the West. Islam regards India as unfinished business; a business that was interrupted by the British. India is in no position to ape the West in this regard.
voletti:
Do you have a link about the Gorkhas in Kashmir?
Hey DP111, I'd posted this on jihadwatch for you, but am re-posting it here.
DP111:
I've no link as such to Gorkha exploits in Kashmir. What I know is thanks to my fiancee who's a Gorkha girl from a military family in India's Sikkim state.
Should I ever come across any source on the web, shall inform you.
BTW, John Masters, eh? Sounds interesting. Can you gimme more about this book, pls.
(:-)
"then what would stop them from trying to claim part of France, Germany or Britain for their own."
by all accounts, they already claim parts of paris and other areas in france. one female candidate for the mayorship of paris was denied entry to one of the city's (predominantly muslim) neighborhoods. the local imam explained that the neighborhood was now dar al-islam, and she and her politics weren't welcome there.
ironically, if i recall, she was a liberal.
The findings of the Finnish "human rights group" are absurd. That worst that has happened to Muslims in London is that some muslim women have claimed they have been given "dirty looks". The fact that there has been no backlash against these invaders is evident by the fact that more and more muslim women strut round in their full dark ages gear. Black head-dress and tents with only their eyes showing. That these women are rarely with men and usually dragging around their usual brood of five children shows how unafraid they are of any "anti muslim attacks". I wonder if groups of unaccompanied Western women dressed in Western fashions would feel as safe walking the streets of Iran or Saudi or any other muslim hell hole ? The muslims in Europe have never been more visible or arrogantly confident but something tells me this will change very soon.