Al-Muhajiroun is still up to its old game. From MEMRI:
The London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that the extremist Islamic movement Al-Muhajiroun had announced a convention in London, titled "The Choice is in Your Hands: Either You're with the Muslims or with the Infidels," to mark the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks. The organization had planned a similar anniversary event a year ago, called "The Magnificent 19 [Suicide Attackers]," but had cancelled it at the last minute. The following is a summary of the report:(1)Al-Muhajiroun leader Omar Bakri, a Syrian residing in London, told the paper by phone that the convention would feature Al-Qa'ida "surprises," with the screening of a never-before-shown video. He said that the convention will focus on "the anniversary of the division of the world into two great camps - the camp of faith and the camp of unbelief," and would take place September 11, 2004 from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m.
Bakri added: "On this day, we will talk about the ramifications of these [9/11] operations for Afghanistan and Iraq... We want the world to remember this operation ... that lifted the head of the [Muslim] nation." Bakri called 9/11 "a cry of Jihad against unbelief and oppression," and said that the aim of remembering it is to "revive the commandment of Jihad among the youth of the [Muslim] nation."
Bakri said that the convention will also feature a lecture about the Islamic religious roots of "slaughtering the infidels," that is, beheading foreigners in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and that there will be films by Al-Qa'ida, the Tawhid and Jihad organization, and the Brigades of the Two Holy Places in the Arabian Peninsula, and that there will also be a film on the most recent operations in Chechnya. He added that one of the speeches, by Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, known to be Al-Qa'ida's military commander in Iraq, will be translated.
I find these guys a bit much to believe. Their article ought to be posted into every British newspaper there is. This is practically a declaration of war.
S'ok, I already know the liberal papers won't touch it. I just can't believe:
1. How stupid the al-margarine group is.
2. How dense the UK public is, if they can't see the major threat under their noses. I have hopes most of them do, but how can we tell for certain?
Why aren't these people arreted and sent to a place like Gitmo forever? This is not freedom of speech but a call to violence and war. They should be dealt with accordingly.
"Why aren't these people arreted and sent to a place like Gitmo forever"?
General Patton, with all due respect, are you going soft on us.
These Islamo-maggots should be taken out and summarily shot.
Ah, yes. I remember all to well the roll up to "The Magnificent 19" anniversary celebration last year in Britain. How the Liberal pundits shrilly cried and government officials naively justified the villainous affair as their just right to an expression of free speech. I shook my head in disbelief at the insanity and the lack of moral clarity. No clearer has the fine gray line between free speech and inciting rhetoric become so lucid to me.
But what a wonderful opportunity for a bit of reconnaissance work for MI5 this could be. Or a turkey shoot. Whatever your fancy.
Klink in NYC
Sounds like target practice for the RAF
I'm with the infidels. Wonder how much airfare would be to get across the pond. This is a prime opportunity for a gigantic Muslim thrashing.
Let me get this right. Someone is fired for writing about Islam. A reverend is in some sort of a legal battle because he told the truth about Islam, yet these smelly hook handed lazy eyed sweathogs can assemble and celebrate the death of my countrymen?
Sounds like a great event to drop a small bunker buster........Why is Blair allowing this?
what i find amazing is that these al-majnoon types get away with this garbage, yet when an anglo-type makes a commentary in Great Britain or on the Continent that is spot on about the muslims and their psychoses, they're trashed and threatened with jail.
i tend to affix myself firmly to the right of atilla the hun, however if i hear bush call islam a "religion of peace" before election day i'm going on a walkabout with my vote...i'm staying home.
General_Patton wrote:-
Why aren't these people arreted and sent to a place like Gitmo forever? This is not freedom of speech but a call to violence and war. They should be dealt with accordingly
I know and I'd hazard a guess that maybe circa 30% of the UK's population have similar views. Sadly tho the rest (other 70%) over here seem oblivious or just dont seem to care. It doesnt help when the BBC, Channel 4 News etc tend to gloss over the idea of Islamic Terrorism. Also the government is trying to make it illegal to criticise Islam.
All this left wing uber-liberal rubbish about the "victims" in Guantanamo is stupid. Eventually it will come to the point where its easier for the Allied Armies to take no prisoners.
All this will change when/if the scumbags launch a major attack in the UK.
Anyone here from the UK? Anyone know anyone in the UK? Scotland Yard? Every evil attendee of this sick event needs to be held as a POW or shot for treason. Let's start forwarding the link.
So what has been learned?
Let’s re-evaluate Slobbodan Milosovic’s behavior in the face of the death of the Russian schoolchildren at the hands of normal Muslims. (To say “Muslim Terrorists” is to be REDUNDANT)
When the history of the battle with the satanic Islam is written, it is likely that Slobbodan Milosovic will be seen as a visionary who had the courage, fortitude and guts to do what he felt was right to remove the scourge this demonic cult represents.
We cannot win this battle by being nice guys or politically correct. We cannot win it by being friendly with Islam, not when they feel it is legitimate to target school kids.
Islam is a pestilence.
If there is any thing to be gained from this it is perhaps that now the West will begin to understand that you can’t be PC with a CANCEROUS GROWTH.
May Islam rot in its own excrement!
No (F**king) Islam Know Truth
Toro
"The Magnificent 19?" They indict themselves with their own words. It's too bad that the dhimmi-British can't control these people. Sooner or later they will suffer the same consequences as have all other cultures absorbed into Islam: slavery, dhimmitude, and convert or die.
Readers of this forum will know I take a great interest in Al Margarinies and their doings.Had a link to their Website which was recently closed down, have they got a new one??Yes, know all about them celebrating 9/11 and their nasty little
winking picture spot of Twin Towers exploding. This Conference MAY be just boastful rhetoric BUT
Britain OUGHT to be MOST VILIGANT. After all, Hitler was considered to be 'just a laugh act' in
his time and we know what destruction, chaos and the millions who died because of his crazy Ideology.
Can someone explain to me why no one has taken this little a-hole out yet? Is he surrounded by 100 bodyguards or something? You figure at least one brit might have had enough with his ramblings.
If he is referring to dar al islam (house of islam) and dar al harb (house of war, meaning everybody else in the world), that happened in 622 Anno Domini.
Actually, this is great news. The louder they proclaim their message, and the more they are allowed to proclaim their message, the harder it is for the PC liberal dhimmi policy makers to claim that all the mass murder of non-muslims around the world has nothing to do with "mainstream" islam.
The fruits of the tree of the islamic ideology are fully exposed by the slaughter of the innocents in Beslan today. It is clearly a tree that the non-muslim world needs to uproot, chop into firewood, and with which to build a glorious bonfire for us all to circumambulate in joyous celebratory dance.
I would like to see these guys come out of the mosques and tell the world exactly what they want in terms that even the PC press will understand. I was disheartened to hear Rick Fullbam at Fox News calling the terrorists in Russia "seperatists" who were fighting for an independent Chechneya. Barf!
tranmere_rover - I'd say the figures are the other way round, judging by most of the encounters I've had recently. I'm not afraid to 'break the ice' now, because so many people seem to be waking up.
The law must be changed so that Radical Islamists can be takem into custody and deported, regardless of whether they have committed or conspired to commit a crime. It is unfortunate and sad that our liberal democracies must give up some of our freedoms as pertains to one group. However, there is no longer any choice. The sooner we get on with it the better.
To Everyone Here,
I’m glad to see someone is awake. I have been reading the comments from everyone with an open mind and comparing them with what the ignorant, stupid, and brain dead attitude of politicians and governments. I can not believe it!! It’s their decisions the citizens have to suffer with. One of these days, the citizens will say enough is enough and then the babysitting will be over. The longer countries babysit these “Innocent Peaceful Muslims” the more it will lead to a war of such magnitude the world has yet to witness. This should have been stopped before it was allowed to come to this!! Severe action is long overdue.
Degenerate Artist,
You have raised a good point.
I am sick and tired of the Islamo-terrorist scum being continually refered to by the liberal media as "militants",rebels, and insugents.
Even Newsmax which is rightwing, has classified these Islamo-maggots as militants.
Is slaughtering innocent and defenceless childern the actions of a "militant".
This continued pattern to properly identify the enemy for who they are, is outrageous.
These journalistic slobs need to cut out all this politically correct crap and tell it like it is!
Guess these guys are Friends of reza?
Wasn't she spueing about a video of her YELLOW COWARD ubl last mo.?
Part of the American Tribe
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her open their eyse to ISLAMIC TERRORIST give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
sad that our liberal democracies must give up some of our freedoms as pertains to one group. However, there is no longer any choice. The sooner we get on with it the better.
Posted by: sparrow at September 3, 2004 05:24 PM
Well if the Brits had not given up their guns! the Islamic Terrorist would still be in hidding like they are here in the USA this is how they have done Yes COWARDS and then Bullys?
MONSTERS will you fight or ask someone else to fight for you? Look at how they piped down in France and what France did is just drive the scum to ground? So they can keep coming untill it is too late!
as reza said you will lose all your art,sience,music,beer,wine,whiskey,swim suits,shortskirts,and forget about showing women's faces look at Iran today protesting over head scarfs they are to colorful?
Remember a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!
Part of the American Tribe
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her open their eyes to the Islamic Terrorist give them Strength,Wisdom,and Courage to stay the course to Victory Amen
"Why aren't these people arreted and sent to a place like Gitmo forever"?
General Patton, with all due respect, are you going soft on us.
These Islamo-maggots should be taken out and summarily shot.
Posted by: Son of Infidel
I just think denying them their chance to die fighting jihad (and getting what they think is a free ticket to paradise) is a lot better...letting them die of old age in a small cell in Cuba would be better than giving them the death that they seek.
--- Bakri added: "On this day, we will talk about the ramifications of these [9/11] operations for Afghanistan and Iraq... We want the world to remember this operation ... that lifted the head of the [Muslim] nation." Bakri called 9/11 "a cry of Jihad against unbelief and oppression," and said that the aim of remembering it is to "revive the commandment of Jihad among the youth of the [Muslim] nation."---
Finally, we hear muslims refer to themselves as "the muslim NATION." Twice in one breath. There it is, proof that even though they're not a nation in the drysna sense of the word, they nevertheless consider themselves a NATION.
You and I know that it's time for CONCERTED effort against this "nation" -- it's too bad that we are not in control. How can we get in control?
If you want my email just ask for it.
Correction:
This continued pattern to "not" properly identify the enemy
Dear General Patton,
-- ...letting them die of old age in a small cell in Cuba would be better than giving them the death that they seek. --
With all due respect, General, there are too many of them to lock up in Cuba, or anywhere else. Let them die thinking they're getting their "reward," but let them die, and soon.
Articles like this need to be held up and printed accross the Western World. Why is the media not waking up? Why do they persist in this stupid policy of protecting these psychopaths? I am waiting for the day when it becomes abundantly clear that this is not a temporary situation (sarcasm on) "caused by Israel and America." (/sarcasm off) My gosh! With what has taken place in Russia these past few weeks - the two airplanes going down, the woman exploding herself and the Chechan school massacre - it should be more than abundantly clear what is going on here. The problem is once the Europeans figure it out, all of their countries will begin to start looking like Bosnia. :-( How sad.
General,
For any Western country to have to sustain the vile existence of these evil Islamic bastards is unexceptable.
Dispatch them to "Allah" as soon as possible.
send everyone of these allan-worshiping cultists to Iran. Anyone who resists gets a 9MM slug.
yahudimrevenge,
Their last meal should be a BLT with a side order of pigs feet.
After this school incident I firmly believe that a final solution to the islamic question MUST be engineered and implemented world wide before it is too late.
Those politicians who pander to the islamists after this incident are part of the world wide jihad -- it matters not that they call themselves "conservative" or "liberal" or "moderate" or "fill-in-the-blank."
This IS abosolute war on a scale never before seen in the history of man kind. This is not a pleasent, comfortable solution.
But what has happened in Russia will happen again, and again, until it is stopped.
The politicians, attorneys, and the media are even now lining up to defend these islamists. They MUST be stopped along with them.
witness,
How can WE stop them? I'll help all I can.
I think we are taking things in the global war as fast as we can. The US and many allies are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now Russia will probably start fighting again. After Iraq and Afghanistan have been dealt with then we can move on. It costs a lot in man power and money to fight this war...many countries are not helping or hindering this war...France and Germany are just a few. I think most people in the west think that the Muslims think like us which is a big mistake...they don't want peace so why try to make peace? They believe every depraved and horrible act that they commit is good and human rights and love are evil. They are ruled by hate and a fear of their vile rock idol god. What can we do? I don't think an all out "final solution" is the answer...hell I don't really know what the answer is...sure I have had feelings that should nuke the middle east and kill them all especially after seeing the Nick Berg beheading video...but we need real strategies not quick emotional decisions...if we concentrate on our anger we will lose (that's what they are doing and it's destroying them from the inside)...we need to think and keep our heads. We could bomb that building where this jihad meeting is taking place or we could listen to what they are saying, then when it's over we can arrest them and interrogate them and gain intelligence...then you can do what you want with them. We need to use their behaviors, motivations, ect. against them. Just look at Iraq...there are a ton of stupid undertrained civilian jihadists going there to fight Jihad and die for the cause...who has ever won a war by dying?
That's my opinion...you can disagree that's fine.
witness,
I concur,but be careful how you use that phrase "final solution".
The depraved brutality and evil savagery of this most recent horror, perpetrated by the Islamists has brought the war on Islamo-fascism to new level.
These barbaric acts will continue and grow worse if extreme measures are not undertaken.
There is no pleasent or clean way of dealing with this scourge.We are facing a enemy of pure evil from the depths of Hell.
Some relevant quotes by the great statesman Winston Churchill:
"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others".
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile--hoping it will eat him last".
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"
The crucial point is Europe has to act now if it waits 20 - 30 years it will have a much bigger 5th column (ie Islamic Residents in Europe) to liquidate.
Anyone seen the film Snatch, its not very good but it contains the perfect way to deal with scumbags like the Chechens. Chuck the Moslems into a pit of hungry pigs.
Are Al-Muhajiroun essentially the Pakistani expatriates by another name ?
if i hear bush call islam a "religion of peace" before election day i'm going on a walkabout with my vote...i'm staying home.
Posted by: drisnya at September 3, 2004 03:44 PM
Thing is, ..isn't Bush allowed to practice a little Taqqiya against the barbarian horde?
We fully expect a massive change in the Bush speech doctrine if he is elected.
We are in hopes that the whitewashing media will be brought to task by Bush and forced "somehow" To shine a light on the madness that is ISLAM,
Russia needs the help of the USA just as the USA needs the help of Russia, same with China,and every other nation that still sees science & space experimentation as a worthy pursuit.
The coalition of "civilized" nations against this threat to the planet is still strong.
Bush KNOWS the next four years are THE chance to set the precedents and rules of engagement for the next several decades.
We are in hopes that OIL interests will NOT impede his aim to bring the entire PLANET into a peaceful co-existence.
We believe that Bush REALLY in his HEART WANTS a bright peaceful future for the whole EARTH, ALL working together for a bright shining future of peace and plenty for ALL!
If Kerry gets elected, well.........I suspect concrete and rebar sales will rise sharply,
as will GUN sales.gas masks....camping gear.....radiation suits........
bottled water........
Terrorism does nothing but harden the hearts of those that are facing it. Mass murder will have the opposite effect that everyone here wants. It won't stop the jihadists but make them stronger in the world. It will validate in the minds of muslims everywhere what the terrorists believe about the west. Besides war we need to show the masses in the middle east that thier views are wrong.
We need to continue the preemptive wars in the middle east and eventually take the war to other countries there. We need to fully support Israel. We need to show ignorant muslims who have never read the Qur'an what their religion really supports. We need to rid our countries of those who preach and support jihad and close down mosques where this is preached. We really need the support of the people in our own countries by educating them about how evil Islam is. In the US right now most people here think the economy is the biggest problem we face not terrorism. We need most of Europe to break it's ties and treaties with terrorists countries and help the US fight. We need to stop sending money to the middle east or other countries that support Islam. If anyone here really wants to kill Muslims I suggest volunteering for the military and going to Iraq...you will have a lot of chances to kill there and put your money where your mouth is. Or how about joining the FBI or some other law enforcement agency in your country that does counter terrorist activities...if you know arabic join the CIA and go to the Middle East.
"letting them die of old age in a small cell in Cuba would be better than giving them the death that they seek."
With all due respect, General, that would consume a lot of tax dollars. I'd opt for the cheaper way, line them up and shoot them.
I agree with AverageJoe...I hope Russia will finally come to the side of sanity now. We need all of the non Muslim countries to help us fight.
I also agree about Kerry...he's a disaster waiting to happen...if the US is going to show signs of weakness to the jihadists it will be if we elect John Kerry as president. He only wants to be president...I don't think he really has a plan for what to do after he wins it.
I will point you to the statements that Robert Spencer (the founder of this website) has posted under Robert Spencer at the top of the page especially this one:
"Q: Are you trying to incite anti-Muslim hatred?
A: Certainly not. I am trying to point out the depth and extent of the hatred that is directed against the United States, because I believe that the efforts to downplay its depth and extent leave us less equipped to defend ourselves. As I said above, the focus here is on jihad; any Muslim who renounces the ideologies of jihad and dhimmitude is most welcome to join forces with us. Anyone who targets innocent Muslims in the USA is not only evil, but is playing into the hands of the radical Muslims who are trying to fan the flames of anti-American hatred. Also, one of the reasons why the war on terror is so important is that those who would destroy Western civilization do not believe in the principles of due process and justice that are central elements of the American system."
and this one
"Q: Do you hate Muslims?
A: Of course not. Islam is not a monolith, and never have I said or written anything that characterizes all Muslims as terrorist or given to violence. I am only calling attention to the roots and goals of radical Islam. Any Muslim who renounces violent jihad and dhimmitude is welcome to join in our anti-jihadist efforts. Any hate in my books comes from radical Muslims whom I quote, not from me. Cries of "hatred" and "bigotry" are effectively used by American Muslim advocacy groups to try to stifle the debate about the terrorist threat. But there is no substance to them."
and this one:
"Q: What can we do about this threat?
A: Many things, but what we must do above all is remain true to our principles of freedom and equality of rights and dignity for all. These ideas and related ones are what set us apart from global jihadists. If we discard them in order to fight the jihadists, we risk erasing the distinction between the two camps."
Again I still say we need to make informed and well planned decisions not based on our anger and fear. That's why they do what they are doing. The purpose of terrorism is terror and fear. We are all angry about what these subhumans are doing to innocent people around the world but we shouldn't stoop to their level.
General_Patton,
After the outstanding speech last night by President Bush and the huge success of the Republican National Convention, John the "phoney war hero" Kerry doesn't have a chance in hell.
He certianly will be defeated and the left wing liberal socialists will go crying home with their tails between their legs.
The best way to combat Jihad is draw the line. Either your with us, or your with the terrorists. Sooner or later, everyone will have to choose. We here have chosen.
Imagine how much more effective the war on terror would be if everyone in the USA was behind the president. Why can't people make that decision to support civilization? Is it so hard to have evil a part of their "world view" because to deny it is easier than confronting it?
Remember what Catherine says, that a gun in the hand is worth two cops on the phone.
Degenerate Artist,
Over the past few days I encountered many of the liberal socialist idiots that support John "phony war hero" Kerry.
Here is what some of them had to say:
George Bush breeds terrorists.
John Kerry would be a good President because he would appoint more(get this) "liberal" judges.
Just what we need liberal judges to turn loose the islamo-terrorists after they are caught.
John Kerry cares about the environment.Thats nice he cares about the trees and grass but doesn't give a dam if we get blowen up by Islamo-fascists.
Free Palastine. The right wing Zionists racists what to expel the "Arabs" from their land.
These protesters and Kerry supporters are a bunch of brain dead, brain washed idiots. A pathetic collection of misfits and lossers I ever had the displeasure of encountering.
These people are visible and arrogant with their beliefs.
Mr. Klink has the right idea; what a potpouri for the MI-5 to see who is who among the agitators. Intelligence gathering has a long reaching and all encompassing memory now days.
It kind of reminds of the arrogance of the totalitarian ideology of the nazis`, who openly bragged about many of their operations and their military hardware used to fight them.
They gave people like Charles Lindberg tours of their various war manufacturing plants; what a mistake that was. Lindbergh had a photographic memory and turned over all the information to American Military intelligence even though he was a pacifist against the war at the time , or was he really? The thing that we have to be concerned about is the lying and deception that is acceptable in a lesser jihad for muslims when dealing with the infidels.
I hope the Briritsh don't pass the Blasphemey laws...no majority of jews or chritians have felt the need in our modern democracy for such laws...only muslim fundamentalists are calling for them and these laws will only benefit them. It will give these islamic theofascists much more freedom to brainwash and control the public so they can move to implementing a British islamic theocracy in the future (when the time is right). Arn't these theofascist groups calling for blasphemy laws making their totalitarian ambitions known to eveyone!!!Don't the politicians listen to what these fascists say!! For one thing the west got rid of balsphemy laws in the first place because it violated peoples right to free speach so they could engage in analytical/critical thought (about religion). Blasphemy laws were used throughput the middle ages so as to allow corrupt clerics contol of the masses...to control the masses thoughts ensuring their theological and ideological obedience. And the islamic theofascists know this...this is why they want to get the Blasphemy laws passed, so like the medievil clerics before them they can use these laws to shut down criticism of their words and deeds..and so more effectively mind control the western public for their own ends/goals. Balspemey laws have always been in the past a nail in the coffin of a free, logical/critical and democratic society...and they will be again if they are passed...the inherent theatening nature of these laws (to democracy) will always be the same. The westerners who support these laws are just as much as a threat to democracy as the islamic theofascists. It reminds me of how in the 30's the western leaders allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia. In terms of appeasment to a theofascist movement the principle is the same.
Blasphemy laws are similar to the laws in the Qur'an. You can't insult or say anything bad or question Islam...of course in the Qur'an the penality is death. It's an attempt to establish Islamic law in the UK.
Son of Infidel I don't know if you've seen this website before but it's great
http://www.brain-terminal.com/
Go to the video section and watch the Peace Love and Anti-semitism video very sad and funny at the same time! These people are completely ignorant and blinded by their socialist world view!
I think a Fatwa is a religious legal statement given by a person in some kind of religious power like a mufti or something...someone who is supposed to be an authority on Islamic law.
I don't know...can an ayatollah give Fatwas? hmmmmmm...maybe...but Imams are the highest position in Shia Islam...maybe the imams can...they must be considered and authority of Islamic law right?
Sorry...I meant that the Imam is the highest position in Shi'ite Islam...
These congresses must be forbidden because it´s apology of terrorism, apology of hate and apology of murdering,
I'm late getting in on this thread, but why don't all you JWers flood the British government agencies and the British press with copies of this article? The guy gave the interview to an islamic newspaper, and the rest of Britain may not even be aware.
THAT's something you can do to make a difference - maybe just a small one now, the big ones will come later.
Laws can always be repealed by subsequent governments. Vote UKIP, at least until we have our own Pim Fortuyn.
I dare the US Muslims to even try to have a Magnificent 19 party. then they will see real gun control. American Style! If they really believe that this Allah is god, then they would have some balls. From what I see they all suffer from castration. They prove by their actions that they themselfs don’t trust their allah. They know that he is a lie!
Although I am not a muslim, I support them in this. The west celebrates her victories, so why shouldn't the east? We carved up their lands and stole their natural resources, we installed repressive, brutal and savage regimes to rule their poor and 'keep them down'.
If it is a choice between a peaceful, civilised society under islam or a grasping capitalist society that will ultimately wipe out life on earth - and that is the choice we face at the moment - then I'd take islam.
Death to capitalism!