Miami: 2 jailed terror suspects indicted in ‘jihad’ plot

Oh, he's a "palestinian" so he must be innocent. He's just a victim of a Zionist plot, his accusers are "racists". He's guilty of "thought crime" and a victim of "guilt by association."

This one is for KJ:

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/contributors/kdaly_20040916.html

Go, John Ashcroft!

KJ et al- Whining and complaining about persecution used to bring sympathy. We now see through these accusations of "racism" and "he's a Palestinian," and so on. Attempts to label yourselves as "victims" no longer work on those that have taken the time and effort to educate ourselves about Islam and how it works. You can be assured that we are spreading the word to our less informed friends and neighbors.

I believe we need to focus more resources in Florida to protect our jewish population there as well as in New York.

When terrorists strike again, it will most likely center around American jewish civilians.

Horrible.

What would these Satanic Beasts do without the laws for freedom existing in our country? They want to destroy the entire US AND the world by using our laws! They don't have enough discrimination of thought to see the difference OR the sequela! Sickening Dogs of Islam - URP!

They are allowed to lie to deceive you. The say peace on one hand and stab you in the back with the other.

See what allah has to say about deception.

Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
Qur’an 4:142 “Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them.”
Bukhari:V7B71N661 “Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact, he had not done.”
Bukhari:V6B60N8 “Umar said, ‘Our best Qur’an reciter is Ubai. And in spite of this, we leave out some of his statements because Allah’s Apostle himself said, “Whatever verse or revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten We bring a better one.”
Qur’an 33:11 “In that situation the Believers were sorely tried and shaken as by a tremendous shaking. And behold! The Hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘Allah and His Messenger promised us nothing but delusion; they have promised only to deceive us.”
Qur’an 33:14 “Say: Flight will not avail you if you flee from death, killing, or slaughter. In that case you will not be allowed to enjoy yourselves but a little while. Say, ‘Who will screen you, saving you from Allah if he intends to harm and injure you?’”
Qur’an 33:21 “You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow.”
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Qur’an 74:52 “Each one of them wants to be given scrolls of revelation spread out! No! By no means! Nay, this is an admonishment. Let them keep it in remembrance! But they will not heed unless the Lord wants them to. He is the fountain of fear.”
Bukhari:V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.’”
Qur’an 89:5 “There surely is an oath for thinking man.”
Qur’an 92:8 “We will make smooth for him the path to misery.”
Ishaq:519 “Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.’ Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.’”
Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from a people with whom you have a treaty, retaliate by breaking off relations with them.”
Qur’an 47:24 “Do they not understand the Qur’an? Nay, on the hearts there are locks preventing them from understanding.”
Ishaq:548 “By Allah, the black mass has spread. Abu Bakr said, ‘There is not much honesty among people nowadays.’”
Qur’an 5:41 “Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.”
Qur’an 5:101 “Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble.” Qur’an 5:102 “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account they lost their faith and became disbelievers.”
Ishaq:567 “Muhammad informed Umar [the second Caliph], and he called the Prophet a liar.”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?’ ‘You came to us discredited, when your message was rejected by the Quraysh, and we believed you. You were forsaken and deserted and we assisted you. You were a fugitive and we took you in, sheltering you. You were poor and in need, and we comforted you.”
Bukhari:V6B60N662 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’”
Tabari VI:110 “When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad has repented of [reneged on] what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah. He has altered [the bargain] and brought something else.’ Those two phrases which Satan had cast on Muhammad’s tongue of were in the mouth of every polytheist. The Messenger said, ‘I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.’”
Qur’an 40:32 “O my People! I fear a Day when there will be mutual wailing. No one shall defend you against Allah. Any whom Allah causes to err, there is no guide. That is how Allah leads the skeptic astray.”
Ishaq:248 “Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, blinding them so that they will never find guidance. And that is because they have declared you a liar and they do not believe in what has come down from their Lord to you even though they believe in all that came down before you. For opposing you they will have an awful punishment.”
Qur’an 2:6 “As for the disbelievers, it is the same whether you warn them or not; they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, upon their hearing, and a covering over their eyes. There is a great torment for them.”
Qur’an 2:9 “They deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realize (it) not! In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease. Grievous is the painful doom they (incur) because they (lie).”
Qur’an 8:18 “This and surely; Allah weakens the deceitful plots of unbelieving infidels.”
Qur’an 8:30 “Remember how the unbelievers plotted against you (Muhammad). They plotted, and Allah too had arranged a plot; but Allah is the best schemer.” Ishaq:323 “I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.”
Qur’an 8:49 “When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘The religion has deceived and misled them.’”
Qur’an 8:71 “If they try to deceive you, remember they have deceived Allah before.”
Tabari VII:85/Ishaq:363 “The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, ‘Muhammad, do you think that we are like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.’”
Ishaq:365/Tabari VII:94 “Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ ‘Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N369 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’”
Qur’an 61:5 “Moses said: ‘O my people, why do you annoy and insult me, when you well know I am Allah’s Messenger?’ Then when they turned away, Allah caused them to be deceived.”
Bukhari:V4B52N233 “Allah’s Apostle forbade the people to travel to a hostile country carrying copies of the Qur’an. [He said:] Unbelievers will never understand our signs and revelations.”
Ishaq:248 “Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, ‘They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N147 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A man may seem as if he were practicing the deeds of Paradise while in fact he is from the people of Hell.’”
Qur’an 13:27 “Say, ‘God leads whosoever He wills astray.’”
Ishaq:383 “One of the young men’s fathers confronted Muhammad and said, ‘You have robbed my son of his life by your deception and brought great sorrow to me.’”
Qur’an 3:24 “They have been deceived by the lies they have themselves fabricated; their religion has deceived them.”
Ishaq:397 “Then Allah said, ‘It is not for any prophet to deceive.”
Ishaq:442 “By Muhammad’s order we beguiled them.”
Tabari VIII:23 “The Messenger and his Companions continued in the fear and distress that Allah has described in the Qur’an. Then Nu’aym came to the Prophet. ‘I ‘ve become a Muslim, but my tribe does not know of my Islam; so command me whatever you will.’ Muhammad said, ‘Make them abandon each other if you can so that they will leave us; for war is deception.’”
Ishaq:496 “‘By Allah you lie,’ one said to another. ‘Liar yourself!’ ‘You are a disaffected person arguing on behalf of the diseased.”
Bukhari:V4B53N408 “When the Prophet wanted to perform the Umrah, the Quraysh stipulated that he could not preach (Islam). So Ali started writing a treaty. ‘This is what Muhammad, Apostle of Allah, has agreed to.’ The (Meccans) said, ‘If we believed that you were the Apostle of Allah we would have followed you. So write, ‘This is what Muhammad bin Abdallah has agreed to.’ The Apostle could not write, so he asked Ali to erase the expression: ‘Apostle of Allah.’ On that Ali said, ‘I will never erase it.’ Muhammad said, ‘Let me see the paper.’ The Prophet
erased the expression with his own hand.”

We must work with the tools at hand.

Knowledge, which I believe is most important seems to be hidden amongst the few. Or perhaps it is Wisdom that is hidden, I don't profess to be among the Wise, therefore I must learn.

The tools of War, the tools of the Media, The tools of Law AND the tools of individual courage are what we have to draw upon. Use them all.

There is something twisted and perverse about the fact that while "American companies" are exporting jobs overseas and laying off workers domestically; and that the American government itself generally WILL NOT hire Americans over 35 years of age; that the islamists are in a potential position of being an employer in the States!

This wicked set of circumstances can only be the result of government policy.

Among the benefits of such an offer I suppose is the opportunity for travel; paid training; and a guaranteed position upon completion?

Unfortunately, the occupational hazards are murder.

Needless to say, anyone taking up this line of work has got to be an idiot.

They get into our countries wailing and weeping 'they are persecuted blah blah. Once inside and claiming every benefit they can get their greedy hands on ,throw off their clothing of
innocent Lambs to reveal themselves as Muslim Wolves! Doesn't matter how much their Host Country has paid out to tranport their blood sucking relations - equally oppressed doncha know - the kindness and opportunities given to them by well meaning if foolish Infidels, these
wretched Ingrates have NO CONSCIENCE upon commiting Jihad on their benevolent Hosts!! Stop
the Rot.BAN FOLLOWERS OF ALLAH FROM YOUR SHORES!!! To quote from another on this Forum :
NO ISLAM : KNOW PEACE.

Many come on student visa and just never leave. Most are very fanatical in their thinking.

After 9-11, Diane Feinstein proposed stiffer background checks on those that applied for these visas.

She was immediately slammed from all sides for this proposal.
But, our schools have now become the major breeding ground for groups to spew forth their hate, ie,
the next Palestinian Solidarity Conference which will be held at Duke University. In the past at UC Berkely and the University of Michigan, the no 1 slogan was "Kill the Jews".
www.frontpagemagazine.com/content/lettertoduke.asp

On many campuses you have the following groups:
www.siss.edu
www.muslim-student.com
www.shu.ac.uk/
www.msa-natl.org/national/

They in turn hold "rallys" where collections are taken and then sent to various "charities" overseas.
Many, just work outside of the school system, but use the students to collect the funds.
Unfortuneately, our own kids are so ignorant to what Islam really is, they follow along blindly and in the end become main supporters of these groups on campus.

Some of our oldest laws have to be reconstituted because they best fit the prosecution process,
such as sedition, which is the incitement to overthrow the government, through written or oral commitary. Which, these groups most definately do.

If these laws were brought into play, that would be one way in which to deport many that would do us harm.

Callistos: You gave an interesting piece of commentary on Muslim sources. What a marked contrast to Psalm 15:4, in which the man who swears to his own hurt but doesn't change will dwell in God's holy hill.

Thanks, but they aren't my comments. I merely lifted out the whole chunk from the islamic text and pasted them here. They do their own commentary just fine :)

And yes, the message in the Quran/Hadiths are exact opposites to the message in the Bible(OT and NT)

In the name of Allah

Danm,

"The tools of War, the tools of the Media, The tools of Law AND the tools of individual courage are what we have to draw upon. Use them all."

I couldn't agree more, and in doing so we need to have as in foundation reason and logic in order to have the strength to stand against falsehood, spin and propoganda.

Callistos,

You were paid a complement when kapha said, "You gave an interesting piece of commentary on Muslim sources."

I personaly disagreed with her but you said it all when you said, "they aren't my comments. I merely lifted out the whole chunk from the islamic text and pasted them here."

Thank you all for your time :)

In the name of Allah

Danm,

"The tools of War, the tools of the Media, The tools of Law AND the tools of individual courage are what we have to draw upon. Use them all."

I couldn't agree more, and in doing so we need to have as in foundation reason and logic in order to have the strength to stand against falsehood, spin and propoganda.

Callistos,

You were paid a complement when kapha said, "You gave an interesting piece of commentary on Muslim sources."

I personaly disagreed with her but you said it all when you said, "they aren't my comments. I merely lifted out the whole chunk from the islamic text and pasted them here."

Thank you all for your time :)

Sorry, Bill. I'm male, thoroughly heterosexual, and a father to boot (fat and ugly, too).
而且,我去年請您會打一額關於伊斯蘭交的問題.
Regards,

Kepha

My bad. not會打 but 回答.

witness

Oil rich Muslims bribe Western politicians. Even if these politicians realize the danger of Islam in the long term, they take the $ money $, & act as if Islam is only another religion.

Any Westerner buying gas for their car, oil for their home, & other uses of this resource, is supporting global Jihad.

As Arabs become major employers & educators in the West, they will influence politicians.

The Koran is only a war book & must be declared illegal in the West. The Koran is not a holy book.

Islamic Overlords are influencing the politics in Europe.

epg, go to www.dictionary.com and type in the word "s-a-r-c-a-s-m", then press "enter" and read what comes up.

I just fininshed a college degree and I was constantly disgusted at the way these young punks portray themselves as victims, and blame everything, and I mean every thing, on some fairytale Zionist Conspiracy. And it was at USF, the former employer of Al Aryan... hey everybody, here's an update on the Al Aryan (seig heil!) case:

I was recently at a coffeeshop and ran into a teacher at USF... I asked him what the "word on the street" was with the faculty as USF, whether they would press for his reinstatement "when" he beats his rap.

The guy said that it wasn't an issue because it is assumed that even "IF" he gets off, he will be deported. So, at least I won't have to see any victory celebration of Al Aryan triumphantly returning to his old job. The mob of adoring fans celebrating his release will be sickening enough.

Gary, no one cares about what Asscroft has to say because he is religiously insane. No, he's not as dangerous as the jihadis, but only because the US Constitution and the ACLU are in his way. If you don't believe me, go read the ten commandments, and then read the punishment for breaking them. That's part of the bible they DON'T want to be seen in public.

OH, Asscroft is going to save us from terror.... he's going to really take care of those Jihadis, like the punk in Idaho that was making websites for Alqaeda... who was turned loose. And then there's AlAryan... who's going to walk. John Walker Lindh copped a plea, and that Jose Padilla "Dirty Nuke" punk hasn't even made it to trial.

Gary, face it. Asscroft is a miserable failure who was given his job as a favor. He is completely and utterly unqualified and should be somewhere teaching his one true love, theology.

If you disagree, please send me a list of the terrorists that he has successfully prosecuted... meanwhile his only claims to fame are stopping the Oregon Euthanasia Law, stopping the California Medical Marijuana Law (that's that "Less Government/States' Rights" party) and imprisoning Martha Stewart and Tommy Chong.

And of course, telling the acting head of the CIA that he "didn't want to hear about" the likelihood of a terrorist attack on America.

And leading the CIA who ignored warnings from their own agents that Arab Muslims were learning to fly, but not take off or land, 747s.

After all, Asscroft HAD FAITH that since HE was perfectly doing the will of "God" then surely "God" would protect us, right? Wrong. Oh, don't worry... Asscroft was protected. Despite his "faith" HE stopped flying commerical aircraft in June 2001; who cares about all those ordinary lives? They're all a bunch of sinners anyway.

SIX MORE WEEKS!

PS... Don't anyone whine back that I started the political crap. You can scroll up and see for yourself that Gary sent me the Asscroft link.

If Bush wins, I think it would be a good idea for him to hire Bob Spencer as his Advisor on Foreign Religions. (I know someone at the RNC reads this site everyday.)

Hi Bill,
that's right, they aren't my comments. Its the entirety of the Quran and Hadith cut and pasted out with reference. Read them for yourself if you are interested.

My message is not for you. You are too delusioned to realize the truth. It's for the people who are still ignorant about islam that I'm interested to share them with.

In the name of Allah

Kepha,

my sincerest apologies.

Callistos,

The fact of the matter is you cut and past verses from the Qur'an without giveing the verses around them which expalin who and why, i.e. the context, and the hadith follow this example, when you do offer hadith. In fact what you offer most is compilations of history with out the scholarly commentary which explains what is sound narration and what is fabrication.

The things you post, as is true of everything, does not speak for itself but in fact deserves context and reasonable discussion.

The reason it is for those ignorant of Islam is to further their ignorance, while i, who know the books are in a position to discuss not only context but the known history and modern understanding of such verses....something a cut and paster is incapable of.

Pick a subject or a verse and let us, you and me have a scholarly debate over it. Don't cut and paste a book sized post, lets just get in depth with one topic or verse...I am prepared to do this, are you?

Sfod,

"The Koran is only a war book & must be declared illegal in the West. The Koran is not a holy book."

here's a verse of the Qur'an for you: "bring your evidence if you are truthfull".

I put forth the same challenge as put forth to callistos, bring a verse, not a hundred verses that it would be impossable to deal with in one or two posts, we can go topic by topic or verse by verse, but bring some evidence and let us entertain a scholarly discussion of a topic you are attacking as though you have some knowledge.

thank you all for your time :)

kj~ So! when is Kerry going to sign that Form 180, as Bush already has? Or would he Rather not do so?