Resistance vs. appeasement, from Daniel Pipes at FrontPage:
In the Nepalese case, a group of cooks, janitors, laundry attendants, and other laborers had just crossed the border from Jordan into Iraq when it was kidnapped by Ansar al-Sunna, a violent Islamist group. On Aug. 31, an Islamist website showed a four-minute video of their executions.Nepalese responded to this atrocity by venting their anger by assaulting the Muslim minority in Nepal. Hundreds of infuriated young men surrounded Katmandu's one mosque on Aug. 31 and heaved rocks at it. Violence escalated the next day, with five thousand demonstrators taking to the street, yelling slogans like "We want revenge," "Punish the Muslims," and "Down with Islam." Some attacked the mosque, broke into it, ransacked it, and set fire to it. Hundreds of Korans were thrown onto the street, and some were burned....
Thus did a frustrated, enraged, and powerless people overwhelm their authorities and target close-by innocents.
The French response could not have been more different. Threats to murder the two reporters met with a massive governmental effort to save their lives, not by targeting French Muslims but by cultivating them. Paris strenuously pushed local Islamists to condemn the kidnappings, hoping that their voice would convince the terrorists to release the two men.
In the process, Islamic organizations effectively took charge of the country's foreign policy, issuing statements and acting as though they represented the national population. Bertrand Badie of l'Institut d'études politiques in Paris complains that French Muslims became "a sort of substitute for the French foreign ministry."
Likewise on the international level, Paris called in chits for having stood with the Arabs against Israel and with Saddam Hussein against the U.S.-led coalition. French diplomats openly sought the support of terrorist groups such as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
These efforts culminated thirty years of French appeasement and, in the scathing analysis of Norbert Lipszyc, "constituted a major victory for Islamists and terrorists." Lipszyc sees France acting like a dhimmi (a Christian or Jew who accepts Muslim sovereignty and in return is tolerated and protected). "France has publicly confirmed that its dhimmi status, its readiness to submit to Islamist overlords. In return, these have declared that France, dhimmi that it is, deserves protection from terrorist acts."
If the hostages are released, the policy of appeasement at home and abroad will seemingly have been vindicated. But at what a price! As Tony Parkinson writes in Melbourne's Age newspaper, "No democracy should have to jump through these hoops to keep innocent people alive." And jumping those hoops has deep implications.
The historian Bat Ye'or, the first person to comprehend the gradual process of Europe accepting the dhimmi status, observes that this fundamental shift began with the Arab-Israeli war of 1973, when the continent began moving "into the Arab-Islamic sphere of influence, thus breaking the traditional trans-Atlantic solidarity."
Bat Ye'or points to Euro-Arab collaboration now being near-ubiquitous; it is "political, economic, religious and in the transfer of technologies, education, universities, radio, television, press, publishers, and writers unions." She envisions this shift ending in "Eurabia," or Europe under the thumb of Arabia.
Returning to recent events: the abhorrent Nepalese violence reflected an instinct for self-preservation - hit me and I will hit you back. In contrast, the sophisticated French reaction was supine - hit me and I will beg you to stop. If history is a guide, the Nepalese thereby made a repetition of atrocities against themselves less likely. And the French made such a repetition more likely.
Ah, yes, the French; self-defensive "girlymen." They're the ones that the school bullies love to hunt down and beat up because they know they can. Pitiful, just pitiful.
Charles Martel must be rolling over in his grave.
"Ayo Gorkhali!!"
That's the battle-cry of the Nepalese Gorkha soldiers, so brave that the Brits coined the French term 'Sang-froid' (it apparently means 'Calmness under fire') into English military lexicon in their honor.
Another interesting take on how Nepal (inadvertantly contributed in the war against jihad).
In the spring of 1993,the jihad in India's Kashmir valley decidedly took a turn for the worse when afghan veterans, freed from fighting the soviets and wasting away in pakistan, joined the fray. Their boldness, suicidal attacks, hideous torture of captured Indian troops and no-surrender policy was getting too hot for most Indian regiments in the valley to handle. The valley was slowly slipping from under India's grasp.
Then the Army HQ in a meeting in New Delhi decided to pitch India's best against the jihadi worst. The XI mountain corps was withdrawn from the India-China border and the Gorkha regiment was deployed in Kashmir. Throughout the summer and autumn of 1993, the battle raged intensely. It was the ferocity of the Afghan versus the sang-froid of the Gorkha.
To cut a long story short, by the time the snows came in, the Gorkhas had prevailed and the Afghans realised they'd met more than their match.
God bless the free world.
France should sink to the same level of civilization as the worms holding the french hostages and demand that all muslims women in Iraq stop wearing jibabs (sp?who cares?) or they'll execute two muslim reporters.
Note thou squeamish , this comment is said in jest but it highlights the unreasonable nature of their demands.
There is no room for islam in the civilized world.
We have to save the French again!
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill
Islam from the Buddhist/Nepalese perspective:
http://www.xasa.com/grupos/soc/article/43640/soc.culture.nepal
May the world unite against this threat to the human race.
Time to move news from France to Dhimmi Watch.
Asians have a long history of continuous strife with Islam. Thus, they have the proper and appropriate response. To respond as did the French is seen as a sign of weakness, especially as Muslims seemed to have "appropriate French foreign policy." By doing so, they have become dhimmis. Soon enough they will be under the boot of Islam.
voletti:
Do you have a link to the exploits of the Gurkhas in Kashmir.
Many years ago, I read John Masters. He was with the Gurkhas as they pacified the Afghans. Cant remember the title of the book. Despite the wanton cruelty of the Afghans towards captured soldiers, the Gurkhas calm 'ferocity', eventually convinced the Afghan tribes to steer clear of the Gurkhas.
Apparantly the Gurkha regiment is the only one in the British army, where the officer has to meet the approval of the Gorkhali before his appointment is confirmed.
BTW India after 1000 years of dhimmification, is atlast getting the idea how to respond to Islamic violence. The trick is to return the violence with interest and then some. I hope that the new Congress government does not lapse back into the old habit of appeasement.
France's appeasement policy towards Islam makes me cringe. Are the Dhimmi fools in government so blind as to not see they are signing away their country, freedoms and once proud history? Also their own Death Warrants as Islam has no place for
Democracy or Dissidents. Can see La Belle France needing to be rescued AGAIN in not too distant future, bogged in Muslim excrement with NO toilet
paper available. ..
Ci-git the E.U. It deserted the West.
Radix malorum cupiditas est.
To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last--but eat you he will.
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
DP111:
I've no link as such to Gorkha exploits in Kashmir. What I know is thanks to my fiancee who's a Gorkha girl from a military family in India's Sikkim state.
Should I ever come across any source on the web, shall inform you.
BTW, John Masters, eh? Sounds interesting. Can you gimme more about this book, pls?
Kafira:
Very intersting link, that! I've been an amatuer student of buddhism and I found the perspective of a Buddha on a Mohammad (and Mohammadens) so very...(what's the word?) - 'enlightening'?
Tks again for the link.
That link on the buddhism persective of islam is excellent, should post it everywhere! its spot on
i have alot of respect for buddhists and there thoughts, very logical and enlightening religion, they truly seperate the spirit and body something muslims cant seem to do.
i cant understand how they follow this religion? its not a religion at all. its a system, its about enslaving, conquering, owning people and property!
anyway the french are pussies, always have been and not all of eurpe is doomed, the west is the east is still old skool, call a spade a spade willing to take any measures to put an end to this cult even sacrificing a few to save the rest
Personally I liked the Nepali response to terrorism. It didn't necessarily get back at the Islamic murderers but it put the Muslims in Nepal on notice. Perhaps it kept any Islamic triumphalism they might have been feeling from blooming. Just in case any of them were thinking of dancing in the streets, passing out sweets and cheering. I doubt the Nepali had to endure any of that ulululululu crap either.
It's probably the best response. Once they get a bit of their own medicine, maybe they'll start to do something about the hate-mongering imams they so avidly listen to and respect.
A friend, Dr. Andrew Bostom, sent me two references about Buddhism in India, which are relevant to Nepal. For Nepal, along with Sikkim and Bhutan, is one of those mountain kingdoms where Buddhists, fleeing the Muslim invaders who destroyed Buddhism in India itself, found refuge. In the Himalayas they managed to survive, just as the Maronite Christians, the descendants of the indigenous Phooenicians, managed to survive the Arab conquest, with its forced islamization and arabization. Though many Maronites have Arab names, and are users of Arabic (which the Arabs convinced others that in using Arabic, they became Arabs and forgot their own culture, their own non-Arab and pre-Islamic identity), they survived in the mountains of The Lebanon.
Here is what Vincent Smith wrote of the fate of Buddhist communities in northern INdia, centered around Bihar, at the hands of Muslim invaders, and as recorded mainly by Muslims themselves ("The Oxford History of India," 1928, p. 221):
"The Muhammadan historian, indifferent to distinctions among idolators, states that the majority of the inhabitants were 'clean shaven Brahmins' who were all put to the sword. He evidently means Buddhist monks, as he was informed that the whole cdity and fortress were considered to be a college, which the name Bihar signifies. A great library was scattered. When the victors desired to know what the books might be, no man capable of explaiing their contents had been left alive. No doubt everything was burnt. the multitude of images used in Medieval Buddhist worship always inflamed the fanaticsim of Muslim warriors to such fury that no quarter was given to the idolators. The ashes of the Buddhist sanctuaries at Sarnath near Benares still bear witnes to the rage of the image bgreakers. Many noble monuments of the ancient civilization of India were irretrievably wrecked in the course of the early Muhammadan invasions. Those invasions were fatal to the existence of Buddhism as an organized religion in northern India, where its strength resided chiefly in Bihar and certain adjoining territories. The monks who escaped massacre fled, and where scattered over Nepal, Tibet, and the south. After A.D. 1200 the traces of Buddhism in upper India are faint and obscure."
Still other, similar stories, can be found in the "Biography of Dharmasvamin," translated by George Roerich, Patna, 1959 pp, xix, 62, 64.
Of course, in the second, or later Muslim conquest, it was the Hindus who suffered the most. Tens of thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed; some of their stones were used to build mosques, or mosques were deliberately built on the same sites, just as the Muslims had earlier appropriated the religious sites of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians (the most celebrated example of this, of course, is the Umayyad Caliph Omar deciding that the phrase "al-masjid al-aksa" or "the furthest mosque" from which, in the Qur'an, Muhammad is said to make his "Night Journey" or "miraj," must refer to Jerusalem, and the spot from which Muhammad's winged steed Al-Buraq took off and landed was the Temple Mount -- thus appropriating not only a Jewish holy site, but a Christian belief in another important ascent into Heaven from the city of Jerusalem -- two birds, with one stone.
Nepalese, Hindu and Buddhist, never had to endure dhimmitude. Who knows if that helps to explain the martial qualities of the Gurkhas. An interesting question. But the next time one is told that Islam brought wonderful things everywhere it went, one might start with the fate of the Buddhists, and Buddhist temples, in India. And to bring the story right up to the present, note the recent destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban, simply observing Muhammad's own strictures on sculptures (repeated in Qaradawi's popular guide to what is halal and what haram). And don't forget the murder of several hundred inoffensive Buddhist monks and villagers in southern Thailand by Muslims in recent months.
A small window into the dark world of Jihad-conquest and dhimmitude.
When the german troups entered Paris,not even one single gun shot was fired,from neither parties......the french just capitulated,they just handed over Paris,the city of lights,to the nazi monsters.
What they are doing now,it`s not much different,but this time the consequences will be catastrophical.
As for the nepalis,they have always been brave and proud people,and the whole world should learn from their response to muslim fanaticism.
I still say that for each person killed by muslim terrorists,one hundred of them,randomly selected from the local muslim community ,should be executed immediatelly,and the local mosque leveled.
I totally agree with you adela, execute, a little extreme(but I like the idea) I say for every hostage killed, that respective country deport 100 muslims, and level 10 of their mosques. Unfortunately this is just a fantasy being countries like France insist on talking instead acting. Yes, I am sure we will have to rescue France once again. Pity.
Hugh's comment cannot be more accurate. In the last 20 years, Hindus in India are finally standing up and resisting jihadi tendencies. However, the efforts to fight pseudo-secularism and appeasment of the extremist muslim elements are being thwarted by the decision of the current Congress/Communist government to get rid of India's POTA (Prevention of Terrorism Act) - an equivalent of the Patriot Act.
The desire to get rid of POTA is only to be expected because the current government in India is dominated by the left/liberal fringe elements who have a long history of rewriting the past and reshaping the present to suit their perverse ideological stances. Another earlier comment mentioned that "BTW India after 1000 years of dhimmification, is atlast getting the idea how to respond to Islamic violence."
Given the current political dispensation and its dangerous policies, I am not so sure. In many ways similar to the USA, this left/liberal lunacy is being led by activist courts, leftist academics, and politically correct politicians and idealogues.
No more dhimmitude.
Why did the French plant trees along the Champs Elysee ? So the German troops could march in the shade. What do you call 100.000 Frenchmen with their hands in the air ? The army.
God Bless the Nepaleese...