Official: Cat Stevens Has Possible Terror Ties

Seams that cat boys daughter was allowed to stay in NY?

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Part of the American Tribe
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World and Give them Courage to stand and Fight Amen

Yup, it's a start!
But, he has always been welcomed with open arms and much fanfare in South Africa. Makes me sick!
There is a large muslim population in South Africa, and the ANC have always been pro-Arab and pro-muslim, so it's sad to say that my country is a disappointment in the fight against Islam.
Cheers!

Yes, that's the message that I'd like every Muslim around the world, and especially the ones that live here and think they own the United States to receive.

The message should be crystal clear to them that we're all watching, we're all listening, and we're ready to pounce on any of them plotting an ambush on America.

Muslim advocacy groups appear to be playing the P.C. game, trying to put out messages that the entire Islamic world takes this rightful deportation as a slap in the mouth.

The "Not in the name of Islam" petition posted on one of their sites has under 700,000 signatures. With the alleged 6 million Muslims in the United States, what's that? Less then 15% maybe?

Now, either 80+ percent of Muslims in America condone terrorism, and haven't signed this illustrious piece of shit petition, or perhaps this group doesn't draw the audience it had hoped.

Either way, this is a very small # of signatures for something so important. Now isn't it?

There will not, at any time be a caliphate in the United States......No matter what power they think the child molester Mohammad or his Pet Rock Allah gives them, they might as well go take a piss on someone else's lawn, because we will not allow an Islamic theocracy in America.

Dear Mr Cat islam,
You still have YOUR head.

Perhaps you should have been sent back to the UK with it in the baggage compartment along with what was left of your mutilated disfigured corps,in the way so many NON muslims are returned to their loved ones after spending time in the cesspool that is collectively known as the middle east.
Arn't YOU and YOUR kind lucky that NON muslims are NOTHING like you?

Yours faithfully,
RSole

South Africa, and the ANC have always been pro-Arab and pro-muslim, so it's sad to say that my country is a disappointment in the fight against Islam.
Cheers!

Posted by: Vikk at September 23, 2004 11:38 AM

The last time I was in England there were many South Africans there? Fleaing because their Family Farms were being taken? Once again it is Islamic Terrorist who have hidden their true selfs untill it is to late?

Part of the American Tribe
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Courage to stand and Fight them Amen

By the way, our Government doesn't owe any explanations to anyone about who we let in and don't let into our country, so for those who think they deserve some sort of special treatment in the form of an explanation, piss off. Who the hell are you? And what makes you think we have to explain things to you?

We're tired of the Islamowhining, just please stop, it sounds worse than the howling 5 times a day that calls all of you to pray to your piece of stone. The Islamonoise gives me a headache, anyone else?

On Hannity and Colms last night the attorney for Cat Stevens was indignant, insisting that Cat Stevens had condemned terrorism. He actually said "haven't you heard what he said?"
I sent an email to the show telling Hannity about the practice of taqiyya and kitman. I wish these news programs would counter these apologists for Islam with someone like Mr. Spencer.

P.S. should have spelled Colmes correctly.

CAIR seems to be laboring under several misapprehensions.

1) that Cat Stevens has "denounced" terrorism. He has not. And even were he to have "denounced" a particular spectacular example, he approved, and did not "denounce," either Khomeini's fatwa against Rushdie (surely that was an act designed to "terrify" quite a few -- and it should not be forgotten that several translators and editors of "The Satanic Verses" as distant as Finland and Japan, were attacked, and some died), nor the terrorist attacks on Israel, as if the latter is some kind of special case which is always exempt from all such denunciations.

2) that "denunciation" of terrorism necessarily means anything. Would CAIR like to explain to its American audience what the word "taqiyya" means? Or "kitman"? Would it like to explain why so many statements by Muslim spokesmen are made to one audience, denied to others, slyly qualified to still others? Why even the Qur'an has been modified in the translation of Yusuf Ali (e.g. "beat her (lightly)" in one famous passage)? Why they seldom refer Infidels to the hadith? Why Al-Qaradawi has been caught contradicting himself? Tariq Ramadan? If Muhammad is the "perfect man" for Muslims, and if the Prophet said that "war is deception," and if Muslims are required to support or participate in the Jihad to spread Islam -- why, why, why, would anyone give a second's thought, at this point, to some transparent attempt by any Muslim to "denounce" terrorism without clearly defining that terrorism, and saying a good deal more about JIhad and whether or not it should be conducted until it spreads across the globe. No, the pool of complete ignoramuses, who make things so easy for apologists, is drying up. There are still those who as yet do not know enough. There are others for whom no amount of evidence will suffice because for some other reason -- antisemitism, anti-Americanism, hatred of the West -- they cannot allow themselves to see the belief-system of Islam for what it is, for it would require them to modify other, more permanent features of their mental landscape.

3) CAIR talks as if its members are full-fledged citizens of the United States. To many of us, a full-fledged citizen is someone who has sworn to uphold, either because he swears it in the oath he takes at the time of the naturalization ceremony, or because, having been born a citizen, he has silently agreed to do so, the Constitution of the United States. Almost everything in that Constitution is directly contradicted by the Sharia. The Sharia does not permit freedom of conscience: no Muslim may leave Islam, unpunished. No non-Muslim may, without any constraints, and with complete security, practice a non-Muslim religion in a state that has the Sharia. Islam further counsels people, as one of its central tenets, to "obey the ruler" -- quite different from the democratic institutions, and all those famous checks and balances we learn about in eighth grade, that limit the power of our elected, and unelected officials. In Islam, all loyalty is owed to Islam, to the umma al-islamiyya. One would like the officials of CAIR to explain precisely the following:

How do you reconcile the desire to have Islam spread everywhere, and the Sharia, with the claim that you uphold and support the Constitution of the United States? If you say that there is no contradiction between that Constitution, and Sharia, would you be willing to explain, in further detail, a certain number of what appear to be clauses that no reasonable observer thinks can be reconciled merely by sleight of word?

If you were not a Muslim, but a non-Muslim American citizen, and you were deeply respectful and grateful for the political arrangements as set out by the Founding Fathers, why should you willingly permit people who disagree from top to bottom with those arrangements to enter into your country, in order to undo those very arrangements? And why should they even consider those who adhere to the ideology of Islam, no matter how they became citizens, to truly be citizens of this country? Is it, in fact, intellectually possible without rejecting every single one of the tenets of Islam aside from the Five Pillars of individual worship?

Expain, please. We can wait. But not indefinitely.

Well said, DCWatson.

The US is under no moral or legal obligation to explain why it chooses to let some people into its borders and not others.

Those who don't like this system can either leavwe the US (if they're here) or shove it up their orifices (if they're not).

Hugh, calling CAIR to reason is like expecting answers from the devil-rock in mecca. The former isn't capable of reason and the latter, of responding. Its not in their nature, you see.

Pointed comments, Hugh, but it's much simpler that:

- CAIR has hosted Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens at its national offices;

- Yusuf Islam was published by the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) founded by Musa Abu Marzook

- Nihad Awad was PR Director for IAP

Given that a de facto state of war exists between the United States and Islamic groups, ideologically motivated to destroy the United States by any means, including the use of WMD (if they can acquire them), I propose that ALL American Muslims and Muslim organizations in the United States must satisfy the following conditions:

1) Take the oath of US citizenship.
2) Explain how the obligations of that oath are consistent with the obligations of Sharia, particularly regarding the promise to protect the Constitution.
3) Renounce all obligations in Sharia that are inconsistent with the pledge of citizenship. (Perhaps US Naturalization or Department of Justice 'judges' can be given a set of Islamic doctrines that must be publically renounced).
4) Explain openly the Islamic practices of taqiyya and kitman in a public forum and renounce them.

Any Mulsim who fails to pass will be stripped of US citizenship and deported to a Muslim country of his or her choice.

Any organization that fails to pass will be closed by the Justice Department and any leaders of such organizations will be subject to arrest and deportation.

Any Muslim or Muslim organization that behaves or makes statements inconsistent with the oaths sworn to representatives of the US Government will also be stripped of citizenship and deported.

yusuf islam is a moderate, is against all this violence and terrorism which we are seeing and was against 911 etc... shows that USA intelligence, is not very intelligent at all they dont know what the heck is what, no wonder they got hit so hard on 911

As are you, my moderate friend, who so transparently gloats at the mass murder of 9/11. Just puffs you up, doesn't it?

Remember to exhale before you burst...BOOM!

Hope you didn't take anyone with you...

Cat Stevens does have ties to terrorism. It's his religion.

Currently CAIR Canada is demanding the Government allow a separate Shariah-Law court system,at first CAIR was suble and insisted it wouldn't over-ride the present Canadian Constitution.
Seems that CAIR has changed its stand ever since anti-Shariah Female Muslims have protested the implementation,the family based set of rules CAIR
professed to be in Shariah is now being demanded
by Muslim cleric's as a Quranic set of laws set out by Allah.
CAIR tried to sneak this one in through the back door and got caught by the people that have suffered under Islamic runs Countries.
Once Shariah is allowed the Muslims will expand the law to cover all crimes and exempt some Muslims from facing charges under our "Man Made"
laws of human rights.

The main reason the U.N. body as remained mute on the Dufur tragedy is because several of them are guilty of the same thing and would endorse any
plans to invade a Country that abuses human rights.

NO CAIR - KNOW PEACE

many thousand have died before 911 and muslims have suffered many 911's before 911 dosnt make the 3000 of 911 any special,

as for cat stevens or yusuf islam so the so many million muslims residing in USa have ties and links to terrorism as well as its their religion, but they are not thrown out of usa what contradiction...

i know islamists are not very fond of the cat stevens type as he is moderate peaceful anti terrorist muslim.

As a UK citizen quite frankly, I don't understand WHY Yusef was refused entry.

He has done some wonderful work campagning for and end in violence, and setting up Muslim schools in London (but it is clear from your postings, most don't know of his peace-activist history).

So I'll leave with the thought:

(1) Why DID the U.S. deport a Muslim with NO CRIMINAL RECORD... who (at best) has very shaking links to someone-who-knew-someone who 'may' be considered a terrorist.

(2) Why is it that Britain is about to pull its troops out of Iraq in January 2004.

I suspect this desparate plea will fall upon poisoned ears.

But I beg you, good U.S. citizens, close allies of many wars : do NOT believe everything your U.S. Dr Joseph Goebbels is telling you. Much of what you read (We get foul CNN broadcast over here. But its changed...)

Read the Canadian newspaper, UK newspaper, or ANY European country for that matter. In fact, read ANY paper that is non-U.S. and you will find a HUGE difference in reporting!!!

Good citizens, it is YOUR RIGHT TO know the Truth!

I suspect this post will be deleted soon by those who also wish to wage war on the WHOLE middle east... probably the rest of the "uncivilized world" so please read carefully!

Thomas Jefferson was a true genious! And Mr Bush has carefully undermined EVERY last clause he wrote in his Declaration of Indepenence that was a true masterpiece.

Americans! You are part of the greatest Nation on Earth! Do not let this one man ruin it all for you!

If you read about Bush's address to the UN two days ago, you will find that Kofi Anan is ready to take action against the U.S.

He has already declared the war in Iraq "Illegal"

And is currently about to contemplate "punishment" for clearly overlooking the importance of international law

Typo: I mean January 2005 for British troops being brought home.

(I typed 2004 out of habbit! Apologies!)

And, in case this issue is raised later: I am not a Muslim, and I believe that killing another human is the most dispicable act ANYONE can do.

StevenUK~ Uhm. Well... the UN is basically a big committee meeting. You know the story of how a committee was put together to make a horse... and got a camel? Whatever Mr. Anan does, it will work out about as well.

I'll let the rest of the group speak with you, the fish is finally cooked here.

STEVEN UK
If you think killing another human being is a despicable act, why are you supporting Cat Stevens
aka Yusuf Islam?? This hero of yours signed his name to a petition calling for the Death of Salman Rusdie BECAUSE HE HAD WRITTEN A BOOK!! Also it can be proved that the same 'charming' fellow has funded money to HAMAS Suicide Bombers.
Mr Islam has kept company with notorious Hook Hamza, Omar Bakri and others who want Britain taken over as a Muslim State under Sharia Law. Wake up you fool!

Actually, Morgane, if you're referring to his book "The Satanic Verses" which basically portrayed the WHOLE MUSLIM COMINITY AS DEAMONS, Rushdie quickly followed this up with "In Good Faith" to appease his critics.

Clearly even Rishdie thought he'd oversteped the mark on that one.

And this "Signing" of a book calling "for the Death of Salman Rusdie" ACTUALLY, sir, with all respect ran:

"...that is not to say I am encouraging people to break the law or take it into their own hands: far from it. Under the Islamic Law, Muslims are bound to keep within the limits of the law of the country in which they live. - [1]

But, I encourage you to do your research first, BEFORE making wild accusations about this kind of thing.

morgane im sure u people on jihadwathch know that its part of muslims belief that the one who insults honours of messengers should be killed, and its their belief in the total anihalation of the state of israel and the support for the jihad against the agressors and occupiers.. this is the belief of every muslim deep down even if they dont show it on the outside, even the completely non practising muslims that dont adhere to any islam accept by name, including the many million muslims in ur USA carry this it cant be stopped !

abushaukat33 - If you really ARE Muslim - I don't know what sect of Islam you are from, but its very different from what is tought here.

If you like I can give you my address and you're welcome to come stay in the UK. Maybe we can attend a Mosque of some kind? I don't know much about the Muslim faith (I'm a Briton who grew up in Liverpool) but I think it would be cool to learn.

Yes, we have Muslims (:gasp: shock-horror) yes, AND we have Jews, and Christians. And guess what?!?! No terror attacks!!

Why?

We don't go about waging pointless wars, with no definite end, who purposelessness and pointlessness do not cost the lives of thousands.

I'm very sad that my country was drawn into Iraq, but a few months and we'll leave America to do it's mass-ethnic cleansing that Bush is clearly building up to

Abushauk-

80% of the world is not Muslim. That 80% carries all the wealth of technological, philosophical, scientific, artistic, political and military knowledge ever known to mankind.

Now, if I say that Mohammed was a murdering, psychopathic, pedophilic, greedy con artist bar none, and you say you want to kill those like me with like growing sentiments, who will win?

Actually, Abashuk, why would I want to kill you?

I think you're views on Islam need some research (they are clearly misinformed and something quite unique to you and VERY few others),

...and you still have not answered my question on whether or not you're a Muslim... [heh, but we both know the answer to THAT one!]

The very suggestion that Muslims have NEVER produced ANYTHING "technological, philosophical, scientific, artistic, political and military" is clearly as obsurd as when Adolf Schickelgruber Hitler said the same about Jewery.

More research!

Actually, that last post should have been addressed to "Kafira"

Unfortunately the moderator of this board (who likes spreading this kind of propaganda) likes logging in as so many different aliases I'm loosing track!

StevenUK-

Lay it on me. But MAKE SURE that it was not the pre-existing knowledge of the Greeks, Egyptians, etc. whom you quote.

P.S.-
The moderator of this board, to my knowledge, is R. Spencer. Mr. Spencer posts under his own name.

stevenuk , what the hell are you taliking about ? You come out with some reasonable comments and then say something so stupid it's laughable. What ethnic-cleasning is this then ? If Bush wanted to ethnically cleanse anywhere in the world he could do it quicker then you could read your copy of the Guardian. this is the kind of insane throw-away remark that makes me realise the harm that thirty years of liberal-left propadanda from the BBC, Channel 4 , the Guardian etc have done to what passes for leftist "thought" these days. The only ethnic cleansing being done right now is by the Islamic government of Sudan but that obviously doesn't fit into the cliched leftist view you have of the world. seriously, you really should be beyond that kind of fifth-form agitprop remark by now,

Oh Okay - I've just read more of "stevenuk'"'s posts - this guy is most likely a muslim . None of my English friends from Liverpool use anything like the kind of phrases or language that this guy does. No point arguing with this borg . I 'm guessing by the amount of muslims commenting here over the last few days that people are waking up to the good work being done by jihadwatch. The apologists for the deathcult are obviously getting worried or they wouldn't be paying us so much attention. Onwards and upwards. Oh and stevenuk if you're going to pretend to be a true born Brit ....More research !!

LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!!

So you ADMIT to knowing little of Islam?

Hmm, interesting for someone so willing to preach statistics of something

that - (by your own words) you know little of.

Hmm ... how truely puzzling.

Well, since I'm neither a Muslim nor a >>>JEW

Robert,

I mean Jews no harm.

I mean Muslims no harm.

And here in the UK it's 00:35 ... and (some of us that have REAL jobs) need to work in the morning!)

We'll continue this tomorrow; hopefully under less 'childish' circumstances.

I'm genuinely intreagued to know more about your ... hehe ... knowledge of Islam.

But, like I said, if you feel the need to ban my IP again, or send nasty cookies, feel free.

Yet another muslim borg who can't face the truth ( or tell it for that matter) . Oh yes all these comments are from Mr'Spencer and his friends at Mossad!! Robert Spencer has got better things to do with his time then deal with sad little trolls like you who can't even admit you're a muslim. As for me I've got nothing better to do with my time except watch you muslim liars pretending to be native americans (sue-worrier ha bloody ha) or natural born scousers (that's a native of liverpool "steven" ...do more research). Yes go to bed - your little bout of "highly intelligent" (pause for laughter) posts and sad attempts at pretending to be English must have worn you out. sleep tight little borg...

If you read about Bush's address to the UN two days ago, you will find that Kofi Anan is ready to take action against the U.S.

He has already declared the war in Iraq "Illegal"

And is currently about to contemplate "punishment" for clearly overlooking the importance of international law

Posted by: stevenUK at September 23, 2004 05:10 PM

YEA RIGHT!

DO YOU THINK KOFFI WANTS TO LEAVE THE USA?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATE THE U.N. YOU DIM LIGHT BULB!

I LOVED HOW BUSH STARTED HIS SPEACH!
WELCOME TO MY COUNTRY YOU ARE IN MY COUNTRY THE USA AND WE WELCOME YOU!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to the Threat Amen

steve you want to know about islam you can contact me abushaukat33@yahoo.com i may be able to get u some answers...

these people here are real islam haters and only understand language of bin laden and ayman al zawahiri may allah bless them,

did you read sheikh osamas offer of truce to the west... beautiful i feel like pasting it here for you kaffirs to read and learn and may allah swt guide you cause you are full of misguidance

stevenUK
Let me get this right. You want us to read liberal Christian hating, Islam loving newspapers to find the truth? Not going to happen.... We know the truth..
I will let you in on a little secret, they printed the Qur’an in English and in this country we can read!
Here is another secret, Jesus was removed from the EU and UK along time ago.
But we are right behind you, if the Democrats get their way.

Funny stevenUK you didn’t make mention of not wanting to harm Christian’s
only Jews & Moslems.

Bin Laden's warning: full text

Praise be to God and we beseech Him for help and forgiveness.

We seek refuge with the Lord of our bad and evildoing. He whom God guides is rightly guided but he whom God leaves to stray, for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the right way.

I witness that there is no God but God and Mohammed is His slave and Prophet.

God Almighty hit the United States at its most vulnerable spot. He destroyed its greatest buildings.

Praise be to God.

Here is the United States. It was filled with terror from its north to its south and from its east to its west.

Praise be to God.

What the United States tastes today is a very small thing compared to what we have tasted for tens of years.

Our nation has been tasting this humiliation and contempt for more than 80 years.

Its sons are being killed, its blood is being shed, its holy places are being attacked, and it is not being ruled according to what God has decreed.

Despite this, nobody cares.

When Almighty God rendered successful a convoy of Muslims, the vanguards of Islam, He allowed them to destroy the United States.

I ask God Almighty to elevate their status and grant them Paradise. He is the one who is capable to do so.

When these defended their oppressed sons, brothers, and sisters in Palestine and in many Islamic countries, the world at large shouted. The infidels shouted, followed by the hypocrites.

One million Iraqi children have thus far died in Iraq although they did not do anything wrong.

Despite this, we heard no denunciation by anyone in the world or a fatwa by the rulers' ulema [body of Muslim scholars].

Israeli tanks and tracked vehicles also enter to wreak havoc in Palestine, in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jala, and other Islamic areas and we hear no voices raised or moves made.

But if the sword falls on the United States after 80 years, hypocrisy raises its head lamenting the deaths of these killers who tampered with the blood, honour, and holy places of the Muslims.

The least that one can describe these people is that they are morally depraved.

They champion falsehood, support the butcher against the victim, the oppressor against the innocent child.

May God mete them the punishment they deserve.

I say that the matter is clear and explicit.

In the aftermath of this event and now that senior US officials have spoken, beginning with Bush, the head of the world's infidels, and whoever supports him, every Muslim should rush to defend his religion.

They came out in arrogance with their men and horses and instigated even those countries that belong to Islam against us.

They came out to fight this group of people who declared their faith in God and refused to abandon their religion.

They came out to fight Islam in the name of terrorism.

Hundreds of thousands of people, young and old, were killed in the farthest point on earth in Japan.

[For them] this is not a crime, but rather a debatable issue.

They bombed Iraq and considered that a debatable issue.

But when a dozen people of them were killed in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and all hypocrite ones stood behind the head of the world's infidelity - behind the Hubal [an idol worshipped by pagans before the advent of Islam] of the age - namely, America and its supporters.

These incidents divided the entire world into two regions - one of faith where there is no hypocrisy and another of infidelity, from which we hope God will protect us.

The winds of faith and change have blown to remove falsehood from the [Arabian] peninsula of Prophet Mohammed, may God's prayers be upon him.

As for the United States, I tell it and its people these few words: I swear by Almighty God who raised the heavens without pillars that neither the United States nor he who lives in the United States will enjoy security before we can see it as a reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the land of Mohammed, may God's peace and blessing be upon him.

God is great and glory to Islam.

May God's peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you.

abushaukat33 - We do ask questions and do our homework. Our criticism of Islam is based on content, not emotion. Of course, after learning the true intent of Islam, the triumph of Islam and Muslims over all lands of people regardless of their will, a concept that you have thoughtfully provided above, we have become angry especially as this triumph is brought about through violence and deception. If we have questions there are sufficient numbers of able people to answer. Thank you for the offer, but no thanks.

Wow akubashbar ! Isn't that a speech from Lord Of The Rings - the Orc's battle cry I believe it was. Seriously sunshine you'd be better off screaming at your other dluded friends down at your local temple of hate (mosque). You see most of us have evolved from the 7th Century that you obviously believe you're still in. Now it's time for you to go back to the borg hive - your rather disgusting comments could be off-putting for some people. You need help abushcrap and your Moon God is obviously not giving it to you.

StevenUK-

I'm not Robert Spencer, and am heartily offended that you didn't mistake me for Hugh! (Sorry, Hugh..I couldn't emulate you if I tried.)

Abushauk-

Um, did you read the part I wrote about the 80/20 ratio?

And by the way, the WTC were not America's "greatest buildings," just its tallest.

Several here know me as an affirmed atheist, and yes, I've sparred with those here of the Christian right on a few occasions. But if there was ever faint evidence for the existence of God and Satan, I've seen it here and in the world these last few weeks. You and yours, Abushauk, are in the "not going to Jannah to boink virgins" contingent.

Hey everybody it's time for the twilight zone on Jihadwatch...check out akbushbar's last comment(s) on the article headed "Beheading DVDs Top Sellers in Baghdad." Watch in horror and amazement as a British Muslim implodes before your very eyes. You want to know what muslims really think of us - well it's all there in gory black and white. It's kinda sad, kinda funny, kinda freaky but it's just the simple story of a confused muslm boy struggling to make his way in the world .....

kafira says,

"You and yours, Abushauk, are in the "not going to Jannah to boink virgins" contingent."

Just curious, but from an atheistic point of view, where do you think they will go?

Annihilation?

Moe's Foe-

Let's just say out of our face, and out of our hair, and leave it at that.

kafira,

I must say that I concur.

Dear StevenUK:

No, the UK hasn't suffered any terrorist attacks, yet. But only by the slimmest of margins... perhaps you can recall a recent incident in your country, where a bunch of Muslims -- yes, peaceful Muslims! -- were found in possession of poisonous gas (I can't recall whether it was Sarin or Ricin; I think it was Ricin.)

StevenUK, what exactly to you imagine the would-be terrorists Muslims intended to do with that poisonous gas? Please tell me. This isn't a rhetorical question. I want to know what you think the Muslims intended to do with their poisonous gas.

Also, adherents of WHICH major religion were recently found to be plotting the bombing of a subway (tube) tunnel beneath the River Thames? It was allegedly intended to drown thousands of rush-hour commuters. Please refresh my memory; were those plotters Buddhists or Hindus?

StevenUK, you are obviously a charlatan, pretending to be a non-Muslim, or maybe, just maybe... you are a sincere, open-minded liberal, just like me. If the latter is the case I entreat you to consider that the last group of buggers in the world that should be apologized for -- or supported by -- a liberal is conservative, fundamentalist Muslims.

Just consider what Islam does to liberals all over the world. Consider what they do to free thinkers, to recreational drug-users, to atheists, to homosexuals, to "uppity" women, to secularists, to minorities of every persuasion that are unfortunate enough to find themselves in dhimmitude. Consider what Islam does to their own versions of our beloved Mark Twain, Martin Luther King, Mother Jones, K.D. Lang, Thomas Jefferson, Lenny Bruce, Salvador Dali, John Lennon, or Elton John.

Even an organization like C.A.I.R., if it were a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or Hindu organization in a Muslim nation... it's laughable to even imagine that they would exist anywhere accept (like the "Green Party of Iran") in cyberspace. If they did have a headquarters, an hour after they erected a sign the place would be bombed, and IF they replaced the sign, no one would come around (similar to what's going to happen in Iraq Nam in a few months when someone puts up a VOTE HERE sign.)

Just think of all that Islam has done to liberal causes, just in America! First Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK, and single-handedly gave the presidency to Nixon. RFK was a shoe-in to become president... he promised to help the Civil Rights movement, to help the Unions and the Womens' Liberation movement, to end the quagmire in Viet Nam. But we got Nixon, and we are STILL suffering from his dastardly implementation of the "Southern Strategy". And I know, Sirhan claimed to actually be a Christian, but he was definitely a "palestinian" and the reason he killed RFK was because RFK refused to condemn Israel for daring to win the 6-Day War. And as recent as the Oslo Accords, Arafat was demanding his release from prison, calling him a "politcal" prisoner.

So we got a liberal, democratic, soft-hearted, intellectual in as president, the former Naval Nuclear Engineer Jimmy Carter. Unfortunately, the soft-hearted Christian let the Shah of Iran seek exile in America, and back in Tehran Muslims took hundreds of Americans hostage, and pretty much handed the presidency to Reagan... who promptly let 241 US Marines get killed in Beirut, Lebanon. (Don't blame Israel... they didn't invade until Syria did, and Syria is STILL occupying the fomerly-Christian nation which has devolved into yet another Muslim hellhole.)

But Reagan's philosophy was, "If you're fighting communism, I'll fund you." Thus did Saddam and Osama rise to power. And we know how they repayed us. Osama gave Bush Jr. the excuse he needed to ram through practically everything the rep-cons have ever wanted.

So either you are a muslim pretending to be an open-minded non-Muslim (a liar) or a liberal being TOO open-minded. If you are a liberal, I am sure that you can readily admit that Christianity has made some MAJOR mistakes... the invasions, the forced conversion of millions, the looting, the desecration of others' religion and culture, the genocides, the ethnocides, the list goes on and on. BUT. I ask you, where are Christians doing this TODAY? Nowhere. Christianity outgrew that crap, and hundreds of millions of Christians left in disgust.

AND, who is doing all that stuff today? Muslims. There ARE NO Christians, Jews, Hindus, or Buddhists in ANY Muslim nation calling for the overthrow of the local government and implementation of C,J,H, or B church-state. But just see the blather spewed in London by the likes of Hamza and Bakri.

There are no CJH or B's demanding their own nation to be carved off of any Muslim (or otherwise) nation, but the very same thing is being DEMANDED by Muslims in Nigeria, Russia, and the Philippines.

There are no CJHoBs conducting massacres on Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) but just see the opposite in Kashmir, Nigeria, Algeria, and Sudan.

Nowhere in the world do you find in this day and age a place where guerilla "freedom fighters" fight for their freedom by detonation bombs (hand grenades, etc.) in crowded marketplaces... except where Muslims are fighting infidels, in places like Israel, Thailand, India, and Kashmir.

When was the last time you heard of any group of people taking hundreds of children hostage? Or shooting children in the back as they tried to flee? I mean before the massacre in Beslan, Russia? When and where? Would we have to go all the way back to WW Two?

StevenUK, if you are in fact a secular, open-minded liberal (as you seem to be) you need to wake up to reality. Islam is the most conservative, most hateful, most homophobic, most iconoclastic, most anti-science, most anti-reason, most misogynistic, most authoritarian movement in the history of the world... and it is active in all those aspects TODAY. NOW. In YOUR country, and pretty-much every other country. (Excluding Cuba, China, and North Korea.)

Lordy! And the Full Moon is still a few days away. They are coming out of the woodwork tonight.

*thinks a moment* Full Moon......... guess I was right anyway, moon-whore-shippers...

And another thing:

"Hundreds of millions of Christians left in disgust"... including me. And you know what? My family didn't "honor kill" me. They didn't threaten me. They didn't take my kids away. They didn't disinherit me. I can still get a job. I am still a citizen with full rights and recourse to the law.

I and hundreds of millions of other former- and current-Christians are ashamed of the way our predecessors spread like a virus all over the world, destroying everything and everyone that refused to convert.

But the Muslim conquests of north Africa and south Asia are considered the IDEAL, the GLORY DAYS of Islam, even today, by most Muslims. Just read the ramblings of Bin Laden (above.) He keeps refering to 80 years ago, when the Ottoman Empire was apportioned out to the House of Sod, Eurpoean colonies, and the Turks. (After they lost the war they declared on England, France, and America.)

Oh how he pines for a return to some imaginay ideal, when "everything was perfect." (A trademark of conservatism.) Likewise his sycophants from Morroco to Irian Jaya. It's shameful, and disgusting what they did to the Buddhist and Hindu Kingdoms of Afghanistan; the Christians of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Anatolia (Turkey); the Hindus of India and Indonesia; and the animists of north Africa and southeast Asia. AND THEY ARE STILL DOING THE SAME THING. But in a Muslim-controlled area (state, nation, caliphate, colony, etc.) any display of moderation, questioning, or challenge, and any call for mercy on the local "kafirs" is promptly excised.

I,ve been following this site now for several months and thought it high time I joined in. I,m a working class liverpool Irish male...catholic obviously....firstly..stevenuk...you are not a local by a long stretch.son of albion has it right,you are a fake.nobody in Liverpool today was talking about america and Iraq as you have been...the only topic of conversation is the captive scouser in Iraq,its not bush or blair thats going to kill him....its muslims idiot!I was working onsite today and all the other workers/builders were of one opinion...we sympathise with his family deeply but we know we are at war and we cant always have it our own way.To any americans reading this I,d like to say that contrary to the ravings of bbc etc many people here have a deep well of affection for america and know that we stand or fall together. I hope to contribute further to this site as its important that we constitute a growing core of like minded and enlightened individuals who know who the enemy is...Islam and nothing but Islam.

Hereward the Wake had nothing on the Hereward above. Please pass the word around Liverpool, on and off those sites: www.jihadwatch.org; www.dhimmitude.org, www.secularislam.org, www.faithfreedom.org, www.nojihad.org.

With cisatlantic thanks.

Thanks hugh..your writings one of the major reasons I have joined this site and I will spread the word as much as possible.most of my family arrived in england as refugees once and my wifes from vietnam only 20 odd years ago...we are both proud of the culture we have grown up in and its rich legacy. we are both uncompromising in our stance against the rise of Islam in the world...we must all resist in any way possible.The liberal nonsense supporting Cat stevens just shows how the media still cant grasp the fact that the enemy we face takes many forms...it doesnt always carry a gun.cat stevens is my enemy...all muslims are my enemy.

Whoa, KJ.... a rousing mail, if I may.

If only your liberal friends could see islam for what it is instead of turning islamo-apologists, the US would've been united in its stand against the jihadi borg, overzealous PC would've been tossed out long ago and things would've been quite, quite different.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP THAT IS NOT ubl !

We have heard it all mo.s ago we were to see a video and THE #2 GUY SHOWS UP?

UBL NO SEE SINCE TORA-BORA?

What about the Mulsums that the Islamic Terrorist have killed in Iraq? All the Men and Children and Women who want a better life?

Yea wher were you when saddam killed 300,000 Iraqi's?

And what about THE EARTHQAKE IN IRAN THAT KILLED 30,000 MULSUMS? WE CALL THAT HERE AN ACT OF GOD!FOR INSURANCE PURPORSES

THE USA AND OTHERS ARE HELPING THE IRAQI PEOPLE GET RID OF MONSTERS LIKE YOU WHO HATE LIFE!! #33

# 33 YOU FOLLOW A YELLOW MAN LOOK AT ARAFATS HANDS HE HAS BROUGHT YOU TO THIS DEATH'S HELL AND UBL IS A YELLOW MONSTER WHY DID THEY DO THAT TO THE VIDEO AT TORA-BORA CAUSE HE WAS YELLOW!!

WHAT ABOUT THE CURSE FOR THOSE WHO FOLLOW YELLOW MEN IT BRINGS THE BLACK DEATH!!

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen

Steve UK writes:

"NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN THE UK : 1.8 MILLION
NUMBER OF "TERROR ATTACKS" : 0"

Fast forward to 2005....

NUMBER OF "TERROR ATTACKS" : 1
NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN THE UK : 0

How come no one seems to care how, if he was on a terror list, that he was allowed to board the aircraft in the first place?

Wow, okay ... hehe ... it's truely difficult to know where to start [esecially since I appear to be the only one here who backs argument up with reason]: okay:

Catherine : where do you get the 300,000 corpses from? That was U.S. propaganda, the >ACTUAL

Catherine : the actual number of corpses found was 262 (sorry that bit was chooped for some reason!)

A long laundry list of links to articles that prove the contentious point that many folks in the UK are pissed at Blair for his positions on the war...What brilliance!

There are no arguments here, my friend, this is merely a long-winded presentation of the obvious, sort of like playing your favorite pop tune for the millionth time, or talking until you are blue in the face...the mind that knoweth not what an argument is, claims to be the sole possessor of one.

I love irony, don't you?

And, my friend, these redundant, commonplace presentations, non-arguments, take place in a forum that has nothing to do with Blair's position on the war; this is what you call "Off Topic"; in rational discourse, that is, discourse that employs arguments, we would call what you have presented here 'irrelevant', and if arguments were presented, and they are not, these would be 'red herrings', things resembling smelly fish that detract from the issue, rather than having anything to do with it.

To make matters worse, this thread is about to sink down the list on its way to oblivion, a fitting destination for your irrelevant, smelly, list of postings, which will surely set a record of some sort...

Adios mister irrelevant, and may your dreams be more interesting than your posts...

Steve, I noticed you have a problem with the spelling of 'truly', which doesn't have an 'e'. I hope that helps with your work in the media.

"Yes, we have Muslims (:gasp: shock-horror) yes, AND we have Jews, and Christians. And guess what?!?! No terror attacks!!"

Steve_UK, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that since Britain has yet to see a 9/11 or a 3/11, that you will not see one at all. In this, you are blindly mistaken. Yes, they haven't done it yet, but "yet" is the operating word. What you are failing to see is that everywhere there are Muslims, there is talk about overthrowing the government of that country and establishing a caliphate, where the Sharia will replace that country's rule of law. Islam is a religion with "bloody borders." Case in point:

"MUSLIM ON-GOING CONFLICTS IN THE WORLD
COMPILED BY MICHAELSAVAGE.COM

AFGHANISTAN: The war in Afghanistan is ongoing. Since Soviet troops withdrew, various Afghan groups have tried to eliminate their rivals. Although the Taliban strengthened their position in 1998 they have not achieved their final objective. Afghanistan harbours Osama bin Ladin, a wealthy Saudi Arabia dissident responsible for terrorist acts around the world. On 11 September 2001 members from bin Ladin's el Qaeda group highjacked 4 passenger jets in the USA, crashing one into the Pentagon and 2 into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,000 citizens. The USA and its allies declared war on terrorism and counter-attacked, removing the Taliban from power. The war on terrorism and the el Qaeda continues.

ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have died

THE CAUCASUS AND RUSSIA: The Central Asian republics have a long history of conflicts. Fighting breaks out regularly between warlords and religious groups calling for the establishment of Islamic states outside the Russian Federation. Russia is trying to hold on to the federation because the Caucasus is a vital supply route for the oil riches of the Caspian and Black Sea. With the break-up of the Soviet Union various groups fought for control in the republics. Conflicts from one republic spills over to the other and they continually blame each other for attacks. Chechnya, still part of Russia, was flung in an almost full-scale war in 1994-96 and, after a disastrous campaign, Russia was forced to re-evaluate its involvement in the area. In August 1999 Russia stepped up security in the Caucasus region as rebels from within Dagestan - a small republic where more than 100 languages are spoken - went on the attack in support of Chechnyan Muslim groups who claim independence from Russia. In September 1999 Russia launched a ground invasion into the area to cut rebels off from Central Asian supply routes. By January 2000 Russia was once again involved in a full scale conflict in Chechnya. The Caucasus issue is complicated by the more than 50 different ethnic groups each insisting to proclaim their religious convictions on the area. The situation holds serious danger for neighbouring countries, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Russia itself.

EYGPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion. The conflict was primarily waged as an urban guerrilla/terrorist war. The opposition Muslim Brotherhood took part in elections in 2000, indicating that they felt armed force would not work.

INDONESIA: The struggle on the Indonesia islands is complicated by leaders of pro- and anti-independence movements, and by religious conflicts. More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent.

INDIA/PAKISTAN: Muslim separatists in the Indian section declared a holy war against the mostly-Hindu India and started attacks in 1989, mainly from Pakistan-occupied section of Kashmir, and from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The conflict continues, with Pakistan also crushing rebellions with brute force in their section.

IRAQ: Supports Islamic terrorist acts around the world. Differing culture and religious groups within Iraq continues to clash with Shiite Muslims.

ISRAEL: Within its own borders, Israel continues to battle various Muslim organizations that seek independence for a Palestine state, areas made up of the Gaza strip, West.Bank, and part of Jerusalem. There is heavy international pressure on Israel to recognise a Palestinian state. The area of what today is Palestine was settled by Semitic tribes at a very early date. It was then called Canaan, and controlled by Canaanite tribes for more than 1,000 years. In about 1500 BC Hebrew, or Jewish, tribes began to enter the area. They later came into conflict with a people of Greek origin known as the Philistines. It is from them that the term Palestine is derived.

IRAN: After the Iranian Revolution in 1979 toppled the government of the Shah, the Mujahadeen Khalq soon began a bloody guerrilla war against the new Islamic government. The Mujahadeen are currently based in Iraq and conduct cross-border raids into Iran, as well as conducting urban guerrilla operations in the cities and conducting political assassinations. Iran occasionally launches raids against Khalq bases in Iraq.

KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia.

NIGERIA: There are violent religious clashes in the city of Kaduna in northern Nigeria beginning February 21 2004 and have continued. Kaduna is the second largest city in the north. The clashes followed a march by tens of thousands of Christians to protest the proposal to introduce Muslim sharia law as the criminal code throughout Kaduna state. Reports speak of rival armed gangs of Christians and Muslims roving the streets. Churches and mosques have been put to the torch. Corpses were seen lying in the streets and people's bodies hanging out of cars and buses, apparently killed while attempting to flee the violence. Local human rights workers said that more than 400 had been killed as a result of the clashes.

SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese economy.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: At war with terrorism.

PHILIPPINES: The Phillipines armed forces, with assistance of US troops, are fighting Moslem rebels - they have been linked to Osama bin Laden's el Qaeda terrorist group - on the southern islands of the country. Muslim rebel groups seek autonomy/independence from the mostly Christian Philippines. One rebel group, the Abu Sayaf Group, is believed linked to Osama bin-Laden's Al-Qaida. This connection, plus their tactic of kidnapping and beheading Americans, led the United States to send Special Forces to aid the Philippine Army."

There is even concern in France that the Muslims will be rallied - through issues like the headscarf ban - into a civil war. So, yes, Britain isn't in the midst of it, YET, but one of these days that YET will turn into a reality. It has everywhere else on the globe. Why should your country be spared?

StevenUK~ So you are saying the PM of Iraq is lying, when he speaks of 300,000 in mass graves?

Did you even Bother to look at the pictures from just One site? Just one. 262 would fill one corner of that site which I saw pictures of. Where do you get your info?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040121-8.html

And here is one from a group that is hardly friendly to the US (someone correct me on that point, if wrong):

http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/

First, who gives a shit about 300,000 in mass graves? Is THAT why Bush has thrown 1040 Soldiers and Marines, not to mention 200 BILLION taxpayer dollars, in the trash can? 300,000 is nothing compared to the million Saddam killed in Iran with our help, our weapons, and our funding.

How about the 1.5 Million killed in the Sudan in the same time period? Or the 100,000 killed in the Philippines, Algeria, and Kashmir?

F*ck the PM of Iraq. He's like Hamid Karzai or Pervez Musharaf... dead man walking. The jihadis target anyone that works with the US in the war on terror for assassination (look up the history of that word, "assassination"... another aspect of Muslim history) and its only a matter of time before they succeed.

What's going to happen "when" the Iraqis have an election? Anywhere they put up a "VOTE HERE" sign will be bombed, and no one will come back. And even if people DO vote, what's to stop the Shi'ite MAJORITY from voting in Muqtada Al-Sadr, or Ayatollah Sistanni, or Osama Bin Laden for that matter? As a "sovereign state" the people, most of whom are red-eyed jihadis, they will have the right to vote in whatever or whoever they want. Who's going to stop them from voting in Sharia? Or a nuke program to hit Israel?

Second, Voletti says:

If only your liberal friends could see islam for what it is instead of turning islamo-apologists, the US would've been united in its stand against the jihadi borg, overzealous PC would've been tossed out long ago and things would've been quite, quite different.

Yes, that is why I'm trying to convince them. If not for the incessant conserva-babble here, I could direct many of my liberal friends here to learn the truth about Islam. I have convinced a few liberals of the truth about Islam, and I don't know how to do it more effectively, but I do know how to NOT enlighten them to the truth: to blame liberals for the terror of Islam.

Which brings me to my third point: stop blaming liberals when Muslims win appeal. The Clinton administration sent the WTC'93 bombers away for life… when is Bin Laden going to be brought to justice? How about Zacharias Moussaoui?

Asscroft, Bush, and Ridge are not liberals, have MUCH more judicial discretion than Clinton and Reno ever had, and can't do squat.

When you file a Federal claim against a terrorist, you can pick any jurisdiction you want... and thanks to Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. the odds of "getting" a liberal judge are actually pretty slim. So don't blame the "liberal activist" judges on the Jihadis getting off.

How about Yasser Hamdi, just released from Gitmo? Are the military tribunals there also stocked with "liberal activist judges"? The former US Marine in me thinks not. This is "the problem" with the American legal system: it's hard to convict anybody of anything. It has always grated on conservatives, even though this is the system desired by our founding fathers. Well, it didn’t bother you when the Rodney King beaters won were found not guilty, but it usually does bother you. (It bothers me sometimes too, but it’s the system we have. In the spirit of Churchill, I say our system of Law is the worst in the world, except for every other one.)

Asscroft has even changed the Constitution, and STILL can hardly get a conviction. (John Lindh copped a plea, and please don't make me run down the growing litany of Muslims that have gotten off... please.) Maybe Asscroft needs to lay off the prayer for a while and focus on the LAW.

Hopefully Attorney General Graham, or maybe Attorney General McBride (D-USMC) can do a better job.

So, to sum up: spare me your ridiculous lies about liberals enabling Islam. Islam was a force of terror long before the advent of modern liberalism.

Furthermore, the main reason that the US is divided on practically every issue, polarized in fact, is in no small means thanks to your beloved Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and their ilk. Not exactly liberals, my friend.

I know that I can't get the truth about Islam unless it is a right-wing site, just like I can't get the truth about Iraq, Bush, Reagan, or the environment at a right-wing site. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, and when I throw out conservatism, I keep the good parts, like the hatred of Jihadis. But I don't kid myself. Conservatives hated Islam initially for the same reason they hate everybody else. (Excluding the conservatives enamored with the smell of Saudi money and the taste of Saudi feces, like Bush Sr., John Major, Henry Kissinger, John Zogby, James Baker, Grover Norquist, etc.) The problem I have is trying to make other liberals realize that "we" should hate Islam for the same reason we hate the KKK, the Nazis, etc.

Jihad (and its originator) SHOULD be our common enemy as the America they intend to destroy includes liberalism and conservatism and everything in between. But as long as the likes of YOU keep lumping Islam and Liberalism together, some liberals are going to continue to “buy it.” The BEST THING YOU CAN DO is rationally try to convince liberals that Islam is wrong, not scream “TRAITOR!!!” at them.

Jihad threatens ALL of us. We will have the highest likelihood of success if we work together.

I know that I can't get the truth about Islam unless it is a right-wing site, just like I can't get the truth about Iraq

Posted by: kj at September 24, 2004 10:35 AM

You want the Truth go to Iraq and see for your self!

Like the human shield hippies who went and ran away like the sissiys that they are because it wasn't what they thought? Talk to that guy what his name Josph who lives in Japan went to be a human shield and came back in SUPPORT of the War?

seivey boy we don't give about cat boy you brits can keep him he is being followed by a MOON SHADOW???

POOR BRIT CAN'T HAVE A GUN TO PROTECT HIMSELF WE WILL SEE MORE OF THIS KIND OF PANIC AS THEY SEE MORE PEOPLE HEADS SAWED OFF AND THEY PEOPLE THEY BUY THEIR CIGS FROM SAY WELL BUT YOU SEE THEY ???

Here is all I need to Know Stivey Boy!

The truth about what Mulsums believe??
Read and learn about the peace they bring to your door??

Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.” Tabari VII:150 “I had tied my prisoner’s thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. ‘Well done!’ he said, and prayed for me to be blessed.”
Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”
Tabari VIII:22 “Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans’ throats. So I said: ‘Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him.”
Tabari VIII:22/Ishaq:458 “‘Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,’ Hassan said. ‘You know that I am not the man to do it.’ When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, ‘Hassan, go down to him and strip him—only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.’ Hassan replied, ‘I have no need for his spoils.’”
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.” Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:90 “Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, ‘Is this sword of yours sharp?’ ‘Yes,’ he replied. ‘May I look at it?’ Basir asked. ‘If you wish.’ Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, ‘Your Companion has killed my friend.’ While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, ‘Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.’” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”

that is enough for me

LET THEIR BOOK DO THE TALKING!!!

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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who SUPPORT them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Theat Amen

Aw well. you wanted to be banned, you are going to be banned.

btw, get YOUR facts straight. I didn't quote Bush, you lying bastard, I was quoting the PM of Iraq.

Ban me? Oh darn, and I was so looking forward to TCP swamping your HTTP server.

Unlike yourself, I'm not childish, so I will go. But I would just like to say that you people certainly have (thankfully) a very unique perspective into something of which you are almost completely ignorant.

Kinda funny in a strange way.

Gary: Quoting Bush in relation to Muslims, is like quoting Hitler in relation to Jews, and expecting it to all be true. Wake up! We already know they lied about Abu Grahib (and many other prisons actually!) The Red Cross already has evidence that people have "systematically" been tortured, and have dissapeared. According to the reports, many have been sent to the U.S., and never been seen since. Wake up! If you can smell bacon, you can be sure the grill is on!

Posted by: Steve_UK_2 at September 24, 2004 12:53 PM

when the mussis rule you wont be smelling no bacon dude?

What to you have to say about Mr. Armstrong and Mr.Hensley?

What those who you support did to these men have you seen the Video what the MONSTERS YOU SUPPORT DID SHALL WE POST THE LINK SO YOU CAN WATCH?

SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GOD SENDING A HURRICAN ? WELL WE WERE LOW ON WATER AND OUR WATER TABLES ARE FILLIN UP YES CAN’T LIVE WITH OUT WATER! WE LOST WITH 3 HURRICANS 60 AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF THEY WERE MULSUM OR NOT? AND WHAT ABOUT THE EARTH QUAKE IN IRAN DEAD 30,000 WHAT ELSE DID THAT BRING BUT DEATH?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen

My dear "steveUK_3":

I didn't ban you after you accused me of responding to you under other names. FYI, this is the only name I use to post here.

I didn't ban you after you accused me of having banned you. You were never banned, in fact, at the time you claimed you had been banned.

I did ban your other two addresses after you posted the Nazi symbols. I am sure you would agree that was a rather childish gesture, eh wot?

Now: I am not banning this address. Fire away. You have accused me of ignorance and dishonesty. Now go ahead: show your evidence. Bring your proofs, if you be truthful. Enlighten us about what I am ignorant about Islam. But no wild accusations, please. Bring us chapter and verse from my own writings, please, and then evidence as to why they're wrong.

I'll be right here, my friend.

Cordially
Robert Spencer
Director, Jihad Watch

Robert, with all respect, you and I both know you could not ban me even if you tried.

And, in some strange way - you won - by the fact I felt compelled to visit this Filth again.

We are at a stalemate.

So what I am appealing for now, sir. Is nothing more than for you to invigilate this forum so that hate messages that begin like RSOLES message:

"You still have YOUR head"

and the like are not encouraged. You make absolutely NO attempt the draw the line between Islamists and Muslims. Some of your members - from their posts are clearly unaware of the significant difference.

While you - smug in your knowledge - a published writer no less; just as Dr Joseph Goebbles was at understanding the Jews, can 'filter' information to make it sound even worse than it is for the little public lambs who know less than you (and I even include myself in that).

This is my protest for a man who - despite not having ANY CRIMINAL RECORD or direct links to terrorism was going into a Muslim death camp unless he left the U.S.

"Robert, with all respect, you and I both know you could not ban me even if you tried."

We may just have to see about that, since you keep up the baseless smears and ad hominem attacks.

"So what I am appealing for now, sir. Is nothing more than for you to invigilate this forum so that hate messages that begin like RSOLES message:
'You still have YOUR head' and the like are not encouraged."

I have said many times on this forum that I neither welcome nor encourage calls to genocide, etc. Search and see. But most threads are unmonitored, as I have better things to do.

" You make absolutely NO attempt the draw the line between Islamists and Muslims."

I don't? Provide evidence of this, please, from my published writings.

"While you - smug in your knowledge - a published writer no less; just as Dr Joseph Goebbles was at understanding the Jews, can 'filter' information to make it sound even worse than it is for the little public lambs who know less than you (and I even include myself in that)."

Nothing I know about Islam is a secret. I have published three books about it. A fourth is on the way, and a fifth is rolling around in my head until I have the opportunity to type it out. Provide evidence, please, that I have ever "filtered" information -- i.e., withheld something I know. As for the Goebbels smear, it is beneath contempt, and demonstrates that you know little or nothing about either Goebbels or me.

"This is my protest for a man who - despite not having ANY CRIMINAL RECORD or direct links to terrorism was going into a Muslim death camp unless he left the U.S."

Provide evidence, please, of the existence of any "Muslim death camp" in the US.

I think this is rather a useless exercise, but I nonetheless answer here for the record.

Cordially
RS

Mr. Spencer

I think you are such a value to this Country and its people and really the entire world.
Thank you so very much for this site...

Your judgement is perfect, thank you for letting these types post, you give them just enough rope for them to hang themselves...

2Jo 1:3 Grace will be with you, mercy and peace from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

The disinformation campaign is getting increasingly dirty by the day.

First came the straightforward Taqqiya practising Muslims, the oh so moderate muslims. Their identifying byeline has been that all religions have had fundamentalists. The other is the reference to Timothy McVeigh. Either of these two statements should alert us of Taqqiya. Manji, Schwartz, Ramadan are part of this coterie.

However this tactic is now beginning to fray a bit, so now we have a poster with an English name. Without any prompting whatever, he identifies himself as not Muslim. Why? But as before the same whine and the same whinge. A similar poster was on LGF yesterday. We are going to see increasingly more of these type posters. They will post using Anglicised names, or even Jewish names, but the message will be the same - an anti-american or anti-israeli one. This is going to get increasingly duplicitous.

On troop withdrawals. Yes there are going to be British troop withdrawals from Iraq. But these are part of the redeployment of troops and are done in concert with the US, and with the developing situation in Iraq. Besides who knows what is in the future. In PM Blair's mind there is no doubt of the threat that Islam poses to all Western democracies. Iran has to be sorted out, as its nuclear ambitions are a clear threat to all.

Son of Infidel

I agree that SteveUK is a muslim. His jibes at abushaukat33, challenging his muslim origins, inviting him to a mosque, are points to note. Then his repeated disclaimer that he does not know much about Islam, then immediately challenges Robert Soencer to present facts about Islam. For a person who claims to knows nothing about Islam and cares less, he takes ready and quick offence at the statement that Islam contributed nothing to civilisation.

There are going to be more trolls of this sort. Some may even come bearing Jewish and Hindu names. The tragedy is that I'm not surprised. For practioners of a religion that consider the mass murder of children as acceptable human sacrifice for allah, this subterfuge on Jihad Watch is nothing.

Dear Mr Spencer,

Thank you for this invaluable site. May God bless and protect you.

Good Morning, Mr. Spencer!

Are there 'muslim death camps' in the US?

I think so.

Al-queda cells, practicing in their little camps deep in the woods somewhere. Or even at a public firing range.

'Muslim death camp' is just another phrase for 'al-queda training grounds.'

Eh, StevieUK?

Keep up the grand work, Mr. Spencer!

Oh, and Stevie?

Equating the PM of Iraq with Bush is very Kerry of you.

Yes we're certainly drawing blood in the propaganda war if so many mosleems are now visiting Jihadwatch & dhimmiwatch. Please everyone -keep spreading the word on JW and DW and faithfreedom.org and internet-haganah.co.il and all the other anti-jihad websites. The slumbering giant of the non-muslim world is slowly awakening - the deathcult and it's apologists are feeling the pressure. Let's keep piling it on !

LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!

Wassa matta, StevieUK? totally banned? awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........