No confirming word on Zawahri, which makes me think it is a false report. But there is this, from AP:
KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) — Security forces following up on a raid that killed a top al-Qaeda fugitive arrested four more suspected extremists Monday, and Pakistan's president predicted the investigation would lead to more high-profile militants.President Gen. Pervez Musharraf lauded the killing of Amjad Hussain Farooqi, who died in a four-hour gunbattle Sunday after vowing never to surrender. Farooqi was wanted for his alleged role in the 2002 beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and in two assassination attempts on the Pakistani president in December 2003. Three other Pakistanis, one of them an Islamic cleric, were arrested in the raid.
"We eliminated one of the very major sources of terrorist attacks. He was not only involved on attacks on me but also on attacks elsewhere in the country. So a very big terrorist has been eliminated," Musharraf told reporters in the Netherlands while traveling home from New York.
"Together with him there have been some other arrests and we will get a lot of useful information leading to further arrests and eliminations, I am very sure," Musharraf added. He did not identify those who had been captured.
Musharraf says,
"We eliminated one of the very major sources of terrorist attacks. He was not only involved on attacks on me but also on attacks elsewhere in the country. So a very big terrorist has been eliminated,"
That seems to be a crucial line, a real threat to Musharraf himself. If someone like Farooqi crosses that line, Musharraf seems to have at least some resources in the military and intelligence services to respond and take out some folks.
But are there any reasons for believing that our 'ally' in the 'war on terror' is in any way committed beyond these superficial, self interested, levels of response?
I've said it before: "If it seems too good to be true..." you know the rest.
Testing...
Haven't been able to get on site - think opposition are trying to scupper JW!!Certainly would be heartening News if Osama's Tonto turns out to be Captured...
A bit off topic on an issue,but wasn't the Jihadists in Iraq originally concerned about the
Hijab ban in French public schools.
It is looking like the beheadings are just a charade to fool the west into believing in peace
if foreigners leave Iraq.
Since the beheading are now a DVD fave by Muslims in Iraq,I hardly think the Quran forbids it
because other Muslims don't appear to oppose it.
Also,while Muslim Cleric's deny these actions are done by "True" Muslims,a British based group
of Islamic leaders want to go to these non-Muslims and bargain for the release of Bigley.
I doubt the Islamists will follow the Brits version of the Quran,after all,England has onlt about 0.0008 percent of the worlds Muslim population,the other 99.9992 percent just might be the "True" followers of Muhammed and Islam.
My bet is that pakistan is under pressure to round up a few lackies to appear tough on terrorism,but really can't appear too harsh on Muslims in fear of a national riot.
No ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
Until we realize that the problem is Islam itself, and not "terror," we are not likely to take the steps necessary to protect ourselves.
Islam has not changed its goals in over a thousand years. They are a Trojan Horse in our midst. All Moslems should be deported from the U.S. immediately, and no more should be let in for any reason, period. THAT is the first step to winning.
Personally, I think it is time for "a head for a head." No, make that "ten heads for a head!"
I'll be lucky if my blog page doesn't get taken down for being intolerant and hateful to these poor, misunderstood Moslems. We should 'dialogue' with them.
Excuse me while I go puke...
Last night on a FOX News special on a history of mid-east peace talks, they said that the Crusades were fought to convert Moslems to Christianity by force! With revisionist, politically correct newspeak like this going around almost non-stop, it is highly doubtful we will take the necessary steps to win.
Like Pat Buchanan, I am not optimistic about the future of the West...
Mr. Bushwacker said "All Moslems should be deported from the U.S. immediately, and no more should be let in for any reason, period".
All I have to say is LOooL...This is simply sheer frustration on your part as it will not happen. Mr. Bush is yur best bet and he loves to defend Islam. Face it, Islam will have a greater & greater influence in Ameria (use Hammtrackt as a rough guide) and Mr. Bush will be our champion.
You say "Personally, I think it is time for a head for a head." No, make that "ten heads for a head!"
Your opinion counts for "Jack". Only the administration policy counts...just you try something...if you get caught...it's time to rot in a US jail.
You said "Last night on a FOX News special on a history of mid-east peace talks, they said that the Crusades were fought to convert Moslems to Christianity by force"!
Face it, your forefathers did do some of that...and your own lefties ain't gonna let you forget it....you shoulda been more consistent...
"Like Pat Buchanan, I am not optimistic about the future of the West..."
Ahhhhhh, don't worry we'll look after you..... just give it time...
Naseem,
When your jihad-warriors decide to try something in either the UK or the US, do you really think Joe Public (Left or Right wing) is going to be able to stop an uprising of historic proportions from wiping your sub-human species off our maps for good???
If you do you have been seriously mislead as to how "soft" we are. The left (which is only a small but very friggin' loud minority, hell there're probably less of them than there are of you) are only soft with you because they are ignorant cowards who refuse to acknowledge islam for the desease that it is simply on the grounds of either thinking they'll be spared from the hatred of jihadists, or more likely because they don't want to be painted as "racist" (to such a point where they'd put PC above National security).
When threatened by an outside force, we throw everything we've got back.
We've never actually been threatened by an inside force before (exept for the IRA , but the Paddies are our neighbours so peace agreements had to be made, you scuzlims don't have a cat in hells chance of the same treatment), so I guess jihadist will be the guinea pigs in that experiment ( I love the fact that I can call muslims any kind of pig as a metaphor ).
Rule Britannia!!! (and remember Nas, the BNP and the British Alliance will always be around, and growing stonger everyday islam reveals more of it's babarity).
Back to topic:
Jihadists captured???
In Pakistan???
Unless they're killed on the turf of our "friends" I wouldn't hold too much hope of the bastards getting convicted (all it takes is for a slighty-right-of-moderate muslim security gaurd to "accidentally" leave their cell doors open, and they'll disappear into the caves of the Afghan mountains, never to be seen again).
Mr. Rikki, thank you for responding, I would like to correct some of your assumptions.
You say "When your jihad-warriors decide to try something in either the UK or the US".
Much as you would like me to admit it ...but they are not my warriors...they are scum and I certainly don't want to see anything happen.
"you have been seriously mislead as to how "soft" we are".
Oh, I don't think so, I deal in reality not your fantasy. So many people here say ..."well if it was upto me etc"... well the plain fact is that it is not upto them...and never will be.
I'll let you in a secret, so come closer as I don't want everyone to know . "Whether the UK/US government is from the right or left...they will never do what you advocate, the public wouldn't allow it".
The civil liberties rights are so dear to the West, giving those up means that it is changing for good...and they'll let themselves be destroyed before giving that up.
As you say only the BNP nerds will do your bidding and they'll NEVER get into power...why...because the indeginous population is so divererse so that even the Hindus, Sikhs, Japanese, Phillipines, muslims, buddithds, CHRISTIANS etc. ALL will vote against them, they will all feel threatened.
Allied to that the Labour, Cons and Liberals will say the same thing...SOOOOO you may get the odd seat ...and that's it...so get real, come into the real world and stop fantasing.
Rule Brittinia.. that went with the empire, we are all in this together now ...wake up & smell the tea from the east.
Naseem - Grrrrrrrr. Don't be so sure. "Never" is an impossible qualifier. People will rise to the occasion when the caca hits the fan.
Naseem,
You've misunderstood me yet again:
What I'm saying is if your muslim brothers and sisters tried to overthrow this country demographically or violently, you'd be history.
Never underestimate the power of the underground:
We are the ones that don't vote, the ones whose opinion is never heard, the ones that know and the ones that will fight for our country until our last breaths, and there are more of us than you could ever imagine..... we; like muslims.... are just waiting for the right moment to strike...and we will.... but for the time being we'll keep chipping away at the block.... letting islam keep hanging itself in front of the people who defend it.... enlightening the unenlightened.... exposing the evil.... trust ME Naseem you've got no chance!!!
Something tells me this Naseem is nothing but a troll. The amount of ratyionality, deliberately pushing the pressure points of westerners in arguments, the initmate knowledge of the UK etc seem to me to be far beyond the intellectual capbilities of any slave of Allah.
Don't feed the trolls, folks.
BTW, Naseem, did you know that the literal translation of 'muslim' is 'slave of Allah'. Also note that the koran specifically says about Allah "He begot not, noth were He ever begotten". Whilst we in the west are 'children' of the Judeo-Christian God (not His slaves, mind you).
So slave Nasmeem, how is it that thoudareth dishonor the divine decree of thy Lord and Master Allah and His sole apostle by engaging in banter with the infidele?? O salve Naseem, does this noth violate the terms of your permanent slavery? Your ever merciful slavemaster shall burn you in hellfire forever for sacrilege such as this, as recorded in His apostle's words.... beware...recant and repent slave Naseem.....your slavery is etrnal and there is no escape....
*LOL* Don't be pissed Slave Naseem. (Sh*t can't be pissed can it?) Oh dear, I guess its that time of the day when your slavemaster demands you bang your head on the ground and raise your buttocks to the sky, yet again.....
Something tells me this Naseem is nothing but a troll. The amount of rationality, deliberate pushing of pressure points in westerners in her arguments, the initmate knowledge of western thinking and UK culture etc seem to me to be far beyond the intellectual capbilities of any slave of Allah.
*Don't feed the trolls, folks.*
BTW, Naseem, did you know that the literal translation of 'muslim' is 'slave of Allah'. Also note that the koran specifically says about Allah "He begot not, noth were He ever begotten". Whilst we in the west are 'children' of the Judeo-Christian God (not His slaves, mind you).
So slave Nasmeem, how is it that thou dareth dishonor the divine decree of thy Lord and Master Allah and His sole apostle by engaging in banter with the infidele?? O salve Naseem, does this noth violate the terms of your permanent slavery? Your ever merciful slavemaster shall burn you in hellfire forever for sacrilege such as this, as recorded in His Nobull apostle's words.... Beware! Recant and repent slave Naseem.....your slavery is etrnal and there is no escape....
*LOL* Don't be pissed Slave Naseem. (Sh*t can't be pissed can it?) Oh dear, I guess its that time of the day when your slavemaster demands you bang your head on the ground and raise your buttocks to the sky, yet again.....
Our god wanted us to be proud and strong and fearless and enquiring about the nature of the universe. he wanted us to find our own path to goodness and salvation. Your slavemaster btw, demands you pathetically grovel 5 times a day, frgetyour humanity and atone your insignificance in His eyes.... He demands submission, not faith and there lies the difference.....
Voletti I thought the translation of 'muslim' was 'destined to be beaten by the Jews'...
Speaking of trolls...had a conversation with a few muslims in a govt chatroom...these guys were telling us that mecca could never be nuked because and I quote "allah would catch the missile and throw it into Israel"...I had to run for a tissue my eyes were watering I was laughing so hard...couldnt tell if they were serious (although they really seemed to believe this) or they were just pulling our leg....they were also trying to give us the old ROP line...we were throwing quotes at them and they told us that the koran has 'hundreds' of interpretations for each quote...and the quote I gave was 'take not Jews and Christians as your friends'...they told me there were several interpretations to that...geeze I can only see one and they failed to give any of the 'several' interpretations they claimed...so it seems this is the new tactic, because more westerners have read the koran they are now telling us that 'yes it says that...BUT there are several interprtetations to each quote'...guess whatever the situation they can make up their own interpretation and go with it telling non muslims 'they just dont understand'...bunch of BS
*reads down thru this thread*
*blink*
I know most of this was only posted in the last 18 hours.
But I have read this whole thread before.
I mean, months or years ago. Do you know how strange it feels to know exactly what is going to be said before you reach that line?
That just freaks me out. Excuse me while I go do something else for a while.
Gary:
Guess that sleep deprivation thing is really starting to get to you, huh?
Seriously, though, haven't you ever experienced deja vu before? If not , you're probably the first person in history. There are theories about physical [brain] causes, and theories about metaphysical causes.
USAgirl:
In the past i got the impression your in Canada,if your local Cable company has the CTS
channel wich is in T.o.,London and Ottawa,there is a 1 hour debate on Shariah-law .
The website for info is www.michaelcoren.com
and it now runs at 6:00pm in Ontario,take note on how it's the men that want Shariah and the Female Muslims that opine on the subject get dismissed away as a fringe eliment within Islam.
While CAIR and other Org.'s originally said Shariah wasn't laws from the Quran,now are demanding Shariah as a religious right as to obey the laws in the Quran that Muslims must live by no matter what Country they live in.
Sheema Khan is quite the paradoxical irony,she
boasts about free-will and making a choice to wear the Hijab,she now sit on a Civil Liberties
Board in Canada and backs Shariah as Liberating and protecting human rights for Female Muslims.
If Canada's Charter of Rights is so flawed we need the Quran to rescue Canadians from this oppression and human rights abuses,then lets tear up the Charter and make a new one and not
allow Shariah-Law to over-ride existing rights and slowly force non-Muslims to practise Islam by proxy.
The reason Jews and Christians can settle
family matters outside the regular Court system
is because their tenets are based on equality
and fairness,the Quran is based on a misogynistic pedophile that also murdered people for his God.
*reads down thru this thread*
*blink*
I know most of this was only posted in the last 18 hours.
But I have read this whole thread before.
I mean, months or years ago. Do you know how strange it feels to know exactly what is going to be said before you reach that line?
That just freaks me out. Excuse me while I go do something else for a while.
Posted by: Gary at September 28, 2004 10:33 AM
This isn't funny, Gary. It means you're living backwards, probably aging backwards just like Merlin. Probably remembering the future. You need to consider the sociological implications of this especially now that you're married.
Gary,
Experiences like that are what make life worth living.
Was it de'ja'vu'???Or something even more mysterious???