Important not only because it reveals the connection between Damra and Al-Arian, but because it reminds us of how much influence radical Muslims bent on violent jihad have had, and to a great extent still have (are you listening, Mr. Norquist?) in Washington. From Newsnet5.com, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
CLEVELAND -- Newly declassified documents federal prosecutors said point to a strong link between Imam Fawaz Damra and organizations the government classifies as terrorist groups were released Monday....An important piece of the trial had been declassified. That included transcripts of a 1998 phone conversation.
"All the aid and such. You have received it?" Damra asked.
"May God reward you and bless you" said Sami al-Arian.
"You will be receiving a second portion." Damra said.
Al-Arian, an alleged moneyman for terrorist organizations, is currently under a 50-count indictment in Florida.
U.S. prosecutors claim the conversation shows Damra's own ties to those groups, NewsChannel5 reported....
The calls also speak powerfully of how influential al-Arian has been, WEWS reported.
"Last week I saw Clinton," al-Arian said in the conversation.
"You met him?" Damra asked.
"Yes by God." he said.
Later, in the 2000 election, al-Arian actually campaigned with George W. Bush, even getting an invitation to the White House, NewsChannel5 reported.
I think Mr: Norquist has been bitten by the Vampires and is now "comfortably numb"....to any suggestions other than "Islam is a religion of peace"
We'd heard of chinese $millions finding thweir way into Clinton's campaign contributions. Now this Al-arian chappie campaigns firist for Clinton and then for Bush....God, what a mess! These campaign finance laws ought to be cleaned up. If everybody outside thinks they can buy influence in Washington like this, DC has been reduced to nothing more than a whore-house!
Last week we heard abt Kerry's hobnobbing with an influential friend of Iran;s jmullahcracy who's poured millions of $ into Kerry's campaign, no wonder Kerry prefers 'negotiation with Iran'. And who knows how many $$$ the likes of China, France, Sudan and Syria have pumped in this year.... Sure, Israel's name can't be far behind, either, eh?
In the name of Allah
I plead with every reader to dig as deep as needed. If there is hatred or bias against Islam or muslims, please put that to a side for just a moment and let reason take a stand.
This man, Imam damra, was arrested for purgery after he denied haveing ties to any terrorist orginization. However two tapes were produced, one where he introduced al-arian and the other were he called for people to donate money for orphans...though it was through al-arian's organization...which did in fact take care of orphans. Whether they supported terror or not is not the point here. the point is is that damra specifically called for the people to help the orphans and did not call them to help any "militant" activity.
Now, is damra guilty of associating with al-arian? does this automatically give him ties to terror? I say no. Why? because there is the great possability he did not know!
am I being naive? No, and my proof is that president clinton did not know it and met him in person and president bush didn't know it and had him working in his campaign and invited him to the white house after sept. 11th!
So if two presidents were unaware as was the presidntial security at the time they allowed al-arian to visit, it is possable that damra was unaware of any illegal activity by this man as well.
That is reasonable and to say well since they are both muslims they are the same...this is illogical and unreasonable.
thank you all for your time.
Bill,
Is it possible for you to refrain from beginning every post with the name of your deity since that name is linked continually with terrorist acts e.g. from the video where Armstrong has his head sawed off while he is conscious and screaming:
"The militant on the video called President Bush "a dog" and addressed him, saying: "Now, you have people who love death just like you love life. Killing for the sake of God is their best wish, getting to your soldiers and allies are their happiest moments, and cutting the heads of the criminal infidels is implementing the orders of our lord."
This done in the name of the deity that you always start saying...in the name of
Please just write your comments and leave out the name.
Bill,
Can we rely on you to expose the difference between the one who sposor terror and those who don't? Stand up, point out which groups are our enemy and which ones don't wish our demise.
Like these people...
"Some good news!
A group of Iraqi citizens in Al Karkh/ Khidr Al Yas arrested 6 Syrian terrorists after placing a land mine at the gate of Bab Al Mu’a dam bridge from Al Karkh side.
According to New Sabah newspaper, after a road side bomb exploded missing an American convoy that was patrolling in the area, a group of citizens who happened to be there noticed a bunch of young men who looked foreigners (turned out to be Syrians) that were gathering near the place and that looked suspicious. The citizens found their atittude very suspicious and they were not from the area, so they jumped on them and kicked them until some of them started to bleed and then turned them on to the American forces. Eyewitnesses said that the citizens were shouting “Terrorists. You are targeting our children and families. You are killing our youths”
This incident that took place near Haifa street comes after many attacks that terrorist Arabs were accused of carrying against American forces and Iraqi police stations.
- posted by Omar @ 23:57 "
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
Moose
In the name of Allah
Abby,
No, I do what i do for His sake, in His name, hopeing from reward from Him. If others do criminal acts with the same intention, that is on them. However, i will not allow the misconduct of a few dictate my own activities.
Are you aware that arab christians recognise Allah as the name of God as do Arab jews. The christians call Jesus ibnullah...the son of Allah.
If God's name offends you, well that is within you, But it is a source of honor for me.
Moose,
two short points:
first, It is not the law of this government alone but a God given right that people are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, one should not view every group as guilty until they prove their innocence in the media spotlight.
I cannot point out this group and that group, were it that simple there would be no "that group". However, i can do unbiased research as news reaches me so my perspective is balanced and fair. I can investigate both what the media is giving me and what that group has to say about itself and then make decisions for myself...or, if i don't know this way or that, keep my mouth shut since i don't have knowledge of the issue.
secondly, No one is commiting terrorist acts in syria! It is a war zone!! acts of war and war crimes take place by those who invaded the land, those that defend their land and those criminals who either seek power at any cost or simply thrive off the anarchy. none of these groups, not even the criminals amongst them, not even the invaders who drop bombs on neighborhoods in the night or the thugs who decapitate non-combatant journalists or construction workers...not even those filthy scum bag contracters from the U.S. at black water who go and kill people in foreign lands for no other reason than a pay check! none of them are terrorists...why? they are in war. They commit war crimes, without a doubt, horrendous acts which must be stopped, but one can no longer declare it as terror.
terror will occur when people have a sense of security, in fact it is the fear of a loss of security that is the root of the terror. However, how can one claim terror in the midst of a war?
thank you for your time
"However, i can do unbiased research as news reaches me so my perspective is balanced and fair. I can investigate both what the media is giving me and what that group has to say about itself and then make decisions for myself...or, if i don't know this way or that, keep my mouth shut since i don't have knowledge of the issue."
Fine, good for you.
"not even those filthy scum bag contracters from the U.S. at black water who go and kill people in foreign lands for no other reason than a pay check!"
You just lost ALL credibility in my eyes
Moose
"terror will occur when people have a sense of security, in fact it is the fear of a loss of security that is the root of the terror. However, how can one claim terror in the midst of a war?"
I will never agree that most Iraqi's (and in my view, they don't!) want the U.S. to leave. In fact, most want them to stay to help fight these animals that are targeting and killing THEM.
Example,
"Some good news!
A group of Iraqi citizens in Al Karkh/ Khidr Al Yas arrested 6 Syrian terrorists after placing a land mine at the gate of Bab Al Mu’a dam bridge from Al Karkh side.
According to New Sabah newspaper, after a road side bomb exploded missing an American convoy that was patrolling in the area, a group of citizens who happened to be there noticed a bunch of young men who looked foreigners (turned out to be Syrians) that were gathering near the place and that looked suspicious. The citizens found their atittude very suspicious and they were not from the area, so they jumped on them and kicked them until some of them started to bleed and then turned them on to the American forces. Eyewitnesses said that the citizens were shouting “Terrorists. You are targeting our children and families. You are killing our youths”
This incident that took place near Haifa street comes after many attacks that terrorist Arabs were accused of carrying against American forces and Iraqi police stations.
- posted by Omar @ 23:57"
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
You completely diminish your entire statements when you all of a sudden, inexplicably lump together American contractors, American military, Islamic criminals that seak power and common Iraqi's. For me personally, this grasp to try a lump them all together is an attempt to cloud the waters and avoid DIRECT accountability for EACH groups actions.
Moose
In the name of Allah
Moose,
It is interesting how because i call out a group of mercenaries by name for the crimes they commit against humanity (killing for money alone) you feel as though i lose all credability.
This article is about a man who spoke on the phone with some one, introduced at a speach, and called for people to donate money to help orphans through his organization. pretty much he was arrested for knowing al-arian, a man which two presidents trusted and seem to have had respect for.
So let us look for one moment, on one side you have a man who knew a man who two presidents bumped elbows with and in the other side you have an organization who hires and sends armed mercenaries into foreign lands for money.
Yet you see me haveing no credability!!! Like i said, interesting.
thank you for your time
In the name of Allah
Actualy, i do not clump them all together. You have an invading force. An organization of mercenaries. defenders of a homeland. Anarchist thugs who want power or crime.
And then you have foreign non-combatants and innocent civilians.
the last two groups are not with the first four and the last group are the truest of victims.
as for the first two groups, perhaps they justify their actions and perhaps they don't but they hold the position they hold.
As for the third group, they are those in the most right of positions.
as for the fourth group, they cause trouple for every other group and must be stopped...but are little worse then those civilians who visit their country to fight.
So to make it clear, civilians, innocent victims.
non-combatant foreigners, innocent, perhaps victims, but generaly speaking, they act of their own accord for personal benefit.
Defenders of homeland, in a just position.
invading forces, perhaps they feel they are right, perhaps it doesn't matter...but they are the invading force none the less.
mercenaries, sick and unfortunate criminals.
anarchist thugs, criminals who deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...meaning death for those deserving it. they should be fought by those whom they harm, i.e. every other group.
thank you for your time.
"In the name of Allah
Moose,
It is interesting how because i call out a group of mercenaries by name for the crimes they commit against humanity (killing for money alone) you feel as though i lose all credability."
In the name of Moose
It is interesting how because i call out a group of terrorists who claim that their actions are as a result of direction given from Allah himself for the crimes they commit against humanity (killing for Allah alone) you feel as though i lose all credibility...
"This article is about a man who spoke on the phone with some one, introduced at a speach, and called for people to donate money to help orphans through his organization."
You know what, please figure out if you want me to believe that either this man was enlightened above and beyond anything I could possible dream of to the point where he could, "who two presidents bumped elbows with" , or that he had no idea that the group he was dealing with would end up in a 50-count indictment in Florida.
Moose
In the name of Allah
Moose, my last post for tonight and i will be breif. I say a criminal is a criminal no matter why they claim to commit the crime...but i prefer an army who fights for their land in the name of God than an army who invades a country for their government alone.
And then look, a group of criminals who claim to do a thing for God and a group of criminals who do a thing for pay checks.
And look, a writer who posts in the name of God and a writer who puts his own name before God.
And as for the imam, is two presidents and a their security forces did not know it, had him work in their campaigns and even had him in the whitehouse...i think it is a pretty safe bet that the imam also was unaware of what these presidents and security forces were unaware of.
And, if he is a criminal for knowing the man, what of those who had him working for them and invited him as their guest?
again, i thank you for your time.
"Actualy, i do not clump them all together. You have an invading force. An organization of mercenaries. defenders of a homeland. Anarchist thugs who want power or crime.
And then you have foreign non-combatants and innocent civilians.
the last two groups are not with the first four and the last group are the truest of victims.
as for the first two groups, perhaps they justify their actions and perhaps they don't but they hold the position they hold.
As for the third group, they are those in the most right of positions.
as for the fourth group, they cause trouple for every other group and must be stopped...but are little worse then those civilians who visit their country to fight."
You DON'T speak for the third group (haven't I said this before on this website to someone else??). Please, guide me to a place where I can understand that Iraqi's see that they have to defend their homeleland against American's? Allawi certainly did not ask for America to leave the Iraqi homeland at the UN today, in fact he asked OTHER countries to come and help him defeat those people from group FOUR.
If you believe that the fourth group is "little worse then those civilians who visit their country to fight." then I just cannot relate. You DO NOT see that even as evil as you see these group of civilians who go to Iraq they do not cut off the heads of live people and claim it is a gift from God to do so?
Moose
"In the name of Allah
Moose, my last post for tonight and i will be breif. I say a criminal is a criminal no matter why they claim to commit the crime...but i prefer an army who fights for their land in the name of God than an army who invades a country for their government alone.
And then look, a group of criminals who claim to do a thing for God and a group of criminals who do a thing for pay checks.
And look, a writer who posts in the name of God and a writer who puts his own name before God."
Firstly, I do not put myself before God. I put my name there because my opinions were MINE. I will take full responsibility for what I THINK. I never have, and never will proclaim to put myself before God.
Secondly, I can understand the logic behind a criminal being a criminal, no matter what the situation is and no matter what justification he/she may attempt to use. However, I now understand you clearly when you state that you "prefer" the one who commits criminal acts in the name of God.
Moose
Bill - Taqiyya and kitman tactics. Terror is a tactic that occurs in this instance because Muslims now have modern weapons allowing them to make Islam triumphant over the earth. The plain and simple truth.
As we all know here, "allah" is NOT the Judeo-Christian God, he is a demonic entity with a blood-cult following.
Posting "in his name" identifies the followers of this satanic cult and their agenda all too clearly.
OOOPS... looks like Al Aryan has met with TWO presidents. One of them successfully thwarted terror attacks on America, and one was asleep at the wheel on 9-11.
The good news about Al Aryan is this (I posted this at another comment recently but want to spread the good news): the faulty at USF, Al Ayran's former employer, assume that even if he is acquitted (like so many other terrorists) he will be deported.... of course with that come the familiar cries of "He's a man without a country! He's a palestinian, and he CAN'T go home! Waaaah!"
Let Al Aryan can go to a muslim country and teach. He's responsible for the murder of hundreds of Jews, surely the p-f, s-e Saudis or Syrians could find a place for him.
somehow you got that backwards, KJ- 8 years and no Bin Laden, 3 offers to Clinton by the Sudanese turned down, the Millenium Bomber was caught by an alert agent, not by any supposed directive put in place at the last moment. Lots of etcs....
Some relevant comments from the Grand Ayatollah Khoumeini:
1) "Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die for Islam -- begging to have their blood shed for Islam."
2) "Music corrupts the minds of our youth. There is no difference between music and opium. Both create lethargy in different ways. If you want your country to be independent, then ban music. Music is treason to our nation and to our youth."
3) "Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious."
And another comment I am harping on today because I am so #!!*! tired of the *!##* kidnappers (this is from me, not the Ayatollah):
In order to protect at least some of the foreigners working in Iraq from having their heads sawn off, it is time to have each and every one of them surgically implanted with a homing device.
It just ain't that hard, and it can be done virtually invisibly.