Russia prepared for pre-emptive strikes on 'terror bases' worldwide

Will this mean that:
1. They will consult with France first?
2. They will consult with the UN?
3. They will go at it 'unilaterally'?

Pre-emptive.... Hmmm. I wonder if Kerry & Co. will now compare President Bush to Stalin instead of Hitler.
Or not. That would create a conflict of interest, since Stalin was a communist. The kind of person Chomsky, et al tend to believe in, over and above the US.

And Israel is going to partner with them, eh? I can just see the gears grinding to a halt in leftist brains...

The islamofascists made a Huge mistake. Not only do they have Bush and Israel, they now have Russia on them. I wonder if they are dumb enough to tackle the Chinese next... one could hope.

The outcome of 9/11 might be different had we used
preventative strikes. Remember Isreal- not the nation of palestine Reza,with their preventative strike against an Iraqi nuclear facility? That attack prevented Iraq from nuking them. We should have gone after them back in 1993 after the first attempt on the WTC.I welcome Russia in this fight against the horrors of islam and God give them victory!

I really hope citizens of the World have seen the results of attempting to appease Militant Islam,they want us dead and they want to claim the Earth for Allah and Shariah Law according to the Quran. There is a verse in the Quran that orders the "Good" muslims to punish the luke warm
Muslims that are just as pagan as the people of the books. Believe me , Islamic Militant have already accepted permission from Allah to murder
whom ever gets in the way of the Global crusade to create a Islamic World.
About 4 billion Muslims aren't safe today,but the jihadists are focused on the unbeliever and
infidels. Their silence over the recent crusade
by Militant Islamists will be their downfall,their next on the list and with only Muslims left in the World,the Taleban style
justice will prevail and they'll murder at will
for the slightest offence to Islam.

Kill this cancer now befor it spreads and destroys the whole World.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

GOOD ONE RUSSIA! According to Islamic boasts, the
kidnapping of two women hostages signifies start of JIHAD against ITALY...Yes, wish they'd try something against CHINA who would have NO PC QUALMS about wiping them quietly and efficientLY
OUT.

'About 4 billion Muslims aren't safe today'~ Ala-sux

*cringe* *lol* I know, I know.

Putin should invade Islamic republic of Uzbekistan. Building a buffer in central Asia will help Russia.

Go, Mr. Putin, go! Thank goodness for Mr. Putin.

Take the battle to them. The first item on the agenda: let's take OUR oil back from the Saudis. Finders, keepers!

Now the great Russian Bear is beginning to stir and recognize the possible needs of pre-emptive strikes on terrorism.

Once again, the liberals, and the left wingers will find themselves on the wrong side of history when it comes to the unconventional requirements for fighting the war on terrorism.

The civilized countries of the world will have to face this evil totalitarian scourge sooner,or later because it is not going to go away. It is to deeply entrenched in the warped fundamental tenets of Islam.

There can be no greater focus than keeping an eye on those who are steeped in the radical and backwards thinking that can be found in the
suras`,and hadiths` of the Quran.

It may be doubly hard to even find common ground for peaceful resolutions to conflicts, since the militant tenants of the Quran allow for the lying and deceiving of the infidels.

Could it be that the Islamic leaders, and the leaders of Islamic countries have waited to long to speak out and condem the terrorism before all trust is lost and the rest of the world wakes up to what has been occuring all over the world?

These terrorist acts are beginning to resonate more and more as the list grows longer and longer --

--- From the Lebanon barracks, the Khobar towers , the Uss Cole, the african embassy, the attack in Somalia, the attack in Bali, the train attack in Spain , the twin towers on 9-11, the attack on the pentagon, the airplane into a pennsylvania field , The blowing up of 2 russian commercial aircraft, the car bomb near a Russian subway tunnel,And now the viscious and cowardly planned attack on Russian school children. And many other terrorists car bomb attacks and beheadings and murders of innocent people in Iraq.

There will soon need to be a line drawen in the sand by the freedom loving countries of the world to confront the evils of this totalitarian scourge that is threatening all of humanity.

more toughguy talk from the putin govt. and what possibly could be done now thats different from what they have been doing for the past 6 years in chechnya. the gloves came off along time ago and putin can talk tough but nothing will change. so maybe he will attack some sites in georgia and the pankisi gorge but all that will accomplish is destablization of a already fragile region that looks on the verge of some kind of war. if you havent been paying attention there are 10's of thousands of troops in chechnya and have been unable to stop the violence. if anything this current tough language and anger in the russian people will probably make the situation worse because a already brutal and inhumane occupation force will only be more likely to commit more crimes thus causing more violence to come back to the russians its a hopeless cycle of death and loss. what a shame

This is good news, even if terrible events have caused Putin to undergo a change of heart.

oh by the way do yourself a favor and read the articles and background info on this website it might give you some insite into how messed up that whole part of the world is over there.

http://www.diacritica.com/sobaka/index.html

ala-sux:

I don't know if it was a typo or a deliberate exaggeration, but there's no such thing as "4 billion muslims". There are only about 1.2 billion worldwide, and even that number is widely considered to be inflated to the tune of several hundred million.

STRIKE HARD, VLAD!

It is sad that when we see countries attacked, we critisize their strong handed response of self preservation. i.e. Isreal, Russia, America, India.

Lets sit back and see the next time that India gets attacked if they will sit on their hands, and listen to us Americans telling them to not do anything. Hopefully, they will quite listening to our State Department and join in with this quartet.

France thinks that they are immune, they are shocked that the terrorists are not seeing that France is in bed with them. I am sure that France will be a victim soon, but they will have no idea what to do so they will probably surrender or turn to the Americans and Isrealis and remind us of how good of friends we are and that they need help.

riboflavin,

Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.

To secure peace with the Islamo-fascists, is to prepare for war.

The reports of 4 billion plus Muslims in the world is terribly misleading. Actual figures estimate 1.3 billion or so.

The Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov apparently thinks that the moral case for Russia in Chechnya is stronger than that of Israel in defending itself against Jihad. And why? Because "most of the world" calls Gaza and the West Bank "occupied territory." Well, of course it does. For thirty years Arab and Muslim propaganda has steadily drummed this into everyone's brain. The BBC, Le Monde, Agence France-Presse, the entire UN corps, the entire EU bureaucracy, and even those who actually pretend to know a little bit about international law -- to wit, the judges in The Hague -- have all contributed to this absurd idea. Let us repeat: the Mandate for Palestine was entrusted, by the League of Nations, to Great Britain, for one and only one purpose. To wit: the establishment of the Jewish National Home, by "encouraging close Jewish settlement on the land" and "facilitationg Jewish immigration." That was all. Just help the Jews enter, and they would do the rest. They bought land, sometimes paying 1000 times for pitiful desert land what Iowa farmland would bring. They also inherited, as the Mandatory power, Great Britain had inherited, the state and waste lands, amounting to nearly 90% of the territory. Why so much? Because in the Ottoman Empire, though this will come as news to many who like to prate about the "Palestinian people" tilling "their" land for generations, there was almost no private land ownership. Land was owned almost entirely by the state, with a few large, often absentee landlords in Beirut and Amman, holding (and selling) the rest. It is idiotic for Lavrov to claim that a U.N. vote nowadays means anything. If he doesn't understand that the moral claim of Israel (0.2% of the territory of the 22 Arab League states) is just a bit stronger than that of Russia to Chechnya, a territory conquered in the 1820s and 1830s and 1840s -- see "A Hero of Our Time" for Lermontov's use of the Caucasus as literary backdrop -- then he has a peculiar sense of proportion.

If the Russians are to be supported, it is not becuase the Chechens are without a case. It is because all Muslim claims, whatever they start out as, inevitably are taken over by those who devoutly believe in the Jihad, and given the triumphalist nature of Islam, it is important that it not win any victories anywhere, for it will only encourage it. The same is true in Xinjiang, with the largely inoffensive Uighurs. One can enthusiastically denounce the Chinese for suppressing the Tibetans, and without any contradiction, take the side of China against the Uighurs precisely because a victory for the latter would encourage the forces of Jihad. And just as, during World War II, neither Churchill nor Roosevelt had any qualms about aiding Stalin against a far more dangerous and powerful and immediate foe, there is nothing wrong with aiding anyone who will help against the most dangerous, powerful, immediate, and permanent foe to all Infidels, the forces of militant Islam.

As for Lavrov's belief that the Russians can continue to help Iran in its nuclear program -- is he cracked? Does he really think that the Iranians have forgotten 1946-47 and the temporary seizure, by Stalin, of parts of Azeri-populated northern Iran? Does he think that the descendants of the people who tore Griboyedov limb from limb, as he tried to rescue some Christian women (Armenians, Georgians) from Muslims, will not have their eyes on Azerbaijan, and in linking up to Islamic forces in Uzbekistan and elsewhere? Does he really think Iran only has its weaponry aimed at the Great Satan (America) and the Little Satan (Israel)? How stupid can the Russians be? Don't they see that it is precisely such stupidity that causes the EU bureaucrats to express the kind of moronic sentiments -- missing the point completely about terrorism and kto vinovat, who is to blame, that so infuriated Lavrov, Putin, and other Russians just two days ago?

My, attention spans are short. And logic is, it seems, not the Russian strong suit.

do you have any idea how russia is going to pay for more war? and honestly what more can they do without bringing the whole region down with them.

I would like to get ahold of casualty figures for the chechen wars. too bad the russians dont believe in freedom of information and wont give that kind of info out.

heard China has already started killing them under the guize of Floodin some 1000 so far? think something like 200 today?

Just a weird thought what if that pod down is not realy ours at all could it be the chinese? Could we really have done something like that I mean how could they complain?

Must be of my cigs today?

But wearing my short skirt heading for the shower my hair is down keeps tickleing my back?

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her Give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat islamic terrorist Amen

catherine you conspiracy theory nut...

i wonder if this means russia is going to stop building and selling the nuclear reactors to iran...

riboflavin,

How "exactly" would you stop the murderous global rampage of the Islamo-fascists?

Now that the Russian Ox has been gored, they can sympathize with the rest of us. Sometimes it takes such a personal tragedy for realization to set in. They must fight the war because the price of not fighting is too terrible to imagine: slavery, dhimmitude, or death.

We can not allow the jihadists any victory for they will be heartened and will redouble their effort. In any case, a victory against them will result in hudna, a strategic truce, until they see the next advantage.

Thus, from now and forever, we must be ever vigilant, ready to strike. Modern civilizations have forgotten what it means to be vigilant against such an enemy. We are now paying the price for that memory lapse.

funny how the russian general says:

--But this does not mean we will carry out nuclear strikes--

has the thought crossed their minds?

if the russians nuked the moslems, perhaps this would set the jihad back a while so that we could all breathe easier.

Bravo! Spasiba! Thank you so much, Mr Putin, for finding the perfect word for Islamo-fascist/Jihadi Terrorists everywhere: “BASTARDS”!

The senior Russian General warns that his nation reserves the right to pre-emptively hit the Bastards’ bases “anywhere in the world”.

Probably, that still means first the terror-centres within areas of the Federation itself, mainly in Chechnia, Ingushetia, Dagestan and North Ossetia, then in (former Soviet, “Near-Abroad”) countries on its borders - chiefly Georgia’s in its sights here, specifically its handful of vital mountain passes, leading through the Caucasus Range into Russian territory, plus South Ossetia (Georgia’s province of Abkhazia’s already been under Moscow’s control for about a decade, beneath the thin cloak of Russian UN “peace-keepers” there). However, it could well extend its strikes to other deserving spots, adjacent (“Far-Abroad”) and yet more distant.

Iran, next-door, for one; but this is highly problematic for the Kremlin - it finally entails Putin making a strategic decision on Russia’s commerce in nuclear technology with Iran, which is channelling it into its clandestine atomic weapons industry. If Moscow halts the trade, the Grand Council of Islamic Guidance’s arms development will go on, but the products of several key plants will be slowed, retarding the accumulation of fissile material for the quantity of payloads that’ll give the Guardians a suitable “war-fighting ability”. - Such delay can’t be a bad thing, a breathing-space.

The energized Russians could be moved to conduct raids even into Afghanistan (with US compliance), but if the General’s serious, would he countenance a Russian attack on the camps from which it looks like a fair fraction of these terrorists in Beslan originally came… in Saudi Arabia? (That is, if it’s corroborated that a portion of these terrorists were Saudis, as reputed.)

Would he consider confronting nuclear-armed Pakistan - one of the major hubs of global and regional Bastardry for years - whose multitudinous Islamo-fascists/Jihadis are closely linked to those of Saudi Arabia? (Russia’s ties with India, incidentally, have been re-warming nicely of late, with the advent of the Congress-Communist Government in New Delhi recently.)

The General took care to explain that the actions he had in mind did not include the use of nukes. Notwithstanding, he must now be aware that Russia’s a primary target - ranking in priority with the USA, Israel and India - for any nuclear weapon which the Bastards can procure. Indeed, they’re most probably striving hard to acquire one (or more) FROM INSIDE RUSSIA ITSELF, while simultaneously seeking their mega-lethal Prize alternately in Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, inter alia....

The BASTARDS will stop at nothing - as this horror in Beslan has most graphically, gruesomely demonstrated. Beyond the tragic Nord-Ost Theatre siege two years ago, the two planes brutally bombed out of the sky about a fortnight back and everything else, this particular event is likely to be Russia’s 9/11: a clarion-call to smash the Bastardry, once and for all, wherever it hides.

You petulant little whiny sh*tbags always whining and whining about France, the lib'ruls, the leftists.... blah blah blah oink oink. Give it a rest. Bush is the first "president" to say that Israel HAS to accept a "palestinian nation" side-by-side with it. Bush Sr. works for the Saudis, James Baker works for the Saudis, Henry Kissinger works for the Saudis, and Bush Jr. had Saudi "business partners" (i.e. they bailed him out when he lost his ass in "oil exploration.")

Muslims are the most conservative bunch of pricks in the history of the earth, so give it a rest. Osama would be nowhere if not for Reagan's stupidity... Saudi would be nowhere if not for Bush Sr.'s stupidity... there would still be Christians in Lebanon if not for Reagan's stupidity.

What the hell was Clinton supposed to do after WTC '93? Bomb Iraq?

Don't make me tell you all the MANY similarities between Islam and "American" (not really) conservatism.

VERY scholarly essay as usual, Hugh. (The one you wrote a while back about the 1-in-3 French Muslim birthrate kept me up that night unable to sleep.)

Why can't the rest of you be more like this guy? Notice: he didn't whine about the hippies, the teachers' union, John Kerry, P.E.T.A., Whoopi Goldberg, Mike Moore (is it just me or does every picture of him look like he's chewing food?) Momma Ketchup, or the French.

Hugh, please. Mr. Spencer has already said that you may start your own website soon.

Hurry.

(And here's why...)

Great job, Gary... your overlords at www.freerepublic.com will be very proud of you: NINE snide remarks about lib'ruls, leftists, etc. in one single post! And the original article had NOTHING to do with politics. But you always have the same answer: blame the libs.

And it is sad, since you and I think alike in some very important ways... like...I often bring up Kashmir when arguing with other moonbats-I mean, leftwingers about the world-wide Jihad.

The fact is, China is occupying 10% of Kashmir.... yet the "freedom fighters" of Pakistan NEVER attack the Chinese part of Kashmir, only the Indian part. Could it be that they don't really think "God is on their side"? Or do they know that if they did, Karachi gets firebombed the next day?

We will probably wind up needing the Chinese eventually in the war on terror. It would be good, in the long run, if the Jihadis did piss of the Chinese. But they won't, for the same reason that the peaceful resistance movement of Gandhi, MLK, and Nelson Mandela worked, but such an approach would never have worked on a Muslim majority.

i probably hold far more conservative than liberal views.

and it seems that the right(in america) is 'doing' more to fight islam and that the left would be far worse if in power.

but do any of us really believe that 'the people' run their government?

both democrats and republicans have been bought by moslem oil money, so this places us in a severe dilemma.

Spencer dissembles: Of course, it's all about oil, eh, Putin?

He said he would hit terror bases, not impotent old fools that can't even threaten their neighbors.

But why are we even discussing this? Some great historical figure recently chirped "The world is a safer place with Saddam Hussein behind bars."

Too bad Tom Ridge doesn't agree.

*chuckles at KeithJoy's predictable, conspiracy-laden rants* You just keep getting it wrong. At least we agree on islam. Mostly.

4 more years!

Oh and KJ?

ANWAR.

10.7 years at 1.2 MBD- and that is the Low end of the estimate. Provides 7% of US daily needs and chops nearly a Third out of SA imports.

People who claim it would last 3 months are Lying.

The Devil if I can find that link again. Here's the 2nd most recent estimate:

http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm

And it is higher than I thought. That much less dependence on SA oil, kj. Show me the links proving 3 months' worth.

And I am off to bed.

O.T., here is a good website

http://www.honestreporting.com/

"houston: we have a problem"

here is something daniel pipes wrote a couple of years ago:

The United States Government: Patron of Islam?

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/90

in this article he quotes numerous usa government
representatives in support of islam.

to me this is a bigger problem than the one posed by jihad.

could it be true that the usa government is our own worst enemy?

if so, how are we to deal with this? could we see a day when those criticizing islam are rounded up as 'enemies of the state'?

hopefully educational forums like jihadwatch.org
can turn the tide before its too late.

RIBOFLAVIN/OVALTINE/SOUR MILK
What makes YOU an authority on World Affairs!!Do you actually KNOW any Russian people?? Well I do and they're pretty amazing.One family came over and in 6yrs their girl learnt to speak perfect English coming top of her class in Mathematics, Science plus she is brilliant at Music. This same Russian girl now teaches at University as well as completing more degrees than your average student could cope with. Her father may have Peasant table manners but he can literally fix anything;
abandoned micro waves, TV's,washing machines that
people have dumped etc. He is also a brilliant Artist. These people 'have had to learn and are tireless at solving problems' that we would have given up on long ago. Read the Defense of Stalingrad. Don't underestimate the Russians, you
PC Prat!

Muslim

Provided interesting verses about Jesus & Mary. I did notice, in the verses, the subtle threats of damnation for unbelievers (Jesus as the son of God or Allah).

Bar

Mentioned how Jesus is your way to salvation,
& may be for Muslims.

Resister

Mentioned the ‘words’ of Jesus, found in Luke’s Chapter. For me, this was vital. I did not only want to hear about the consequences of not believing, but also the ‘words’ of Jesus, His words are of a peacemaker, & these words of peace have helped billions since they were first introduced 2000 years ago.

Give examples of what Jesus said, so others may follow his words into their personal daily interactions with others.

Muslim

Provided interesting verses about Jesus & Mary. I did notice, in the verses, the subtle threats of damnation for unbelievers (Jesus as the son of God or Allah).

Bar

Mentioned how Jesus is your way to salvation,
& may be for Muslims.

Resister

Mentioned the ‘words’ of Jesus, found in Luke’s Chapter. For me, this was vital. I did not only want to hear about the consequences of not believing, but also the ‘words’ of Jesus, His words are of a peacemaker, & these words of peace have helped billions since they were first introduced 2000 years ago.

Give examples of what Jesus said, so others may follow his words into their personal daily interactions with others.

>funny how the russian general says:
>--But this does not mean we will carry out >nuclear strikes--
>has the thought crossed their minds?

On 9/11 I worked for a high-tech company in the USA. Immediately after all work stopped on 9/11 the first words on all the WASP lips on my hall were NUKE'em. Nuke'em to hell and back again. This talk continued for some time, alarming one Brit amongst us that was of Indian decent. He took me aside and asked if this talk was serious or bullshit. I told him it was deadly serious, but that it was impractical, and talk would turn to more convential ways to turn the Middle East into a parking lot soon. He has family in India and seemed really concerned for them apparently. Shortly after that, perhaps in a day or two, an Indian gas station clerk was shot by some redneck in retaliation for 9/11. I don't have to tell you how jumpy this poor guy got after that.

I said all that to say that I'm quite sure it crossed a good many minds in many places in Russia. The boys with the keys even thought about it there for a while too I'm sure. That is, if they can find the keys to their nukes.

The only people insane enough to use a nuclear weapon today are Islamic Jihadists. This should be our greater fear, that a religious maniac is going to use a nuke, rather than a government that is going to have the pay the price for that decision.

Found this on Internet Haganah
JIHAD MUTHA FUKK'S RZ
http://members3.boardhost.com/arabcafe/msg/397.html Posted by ROKKZ

we race across the desert,
grinding sand into dust,
were an armed caravan of arab
brother trust.
our land as rich as gold,our hearts
full of pride,
we kill the infidel with allah by our
side.

we don't need liars,cheats and
thieves,
invading our countries,bringing us
to our knees.
we don't need you, or your so-called
god,
death to the infidels,ji fukk'n-had.

SLAY EM BY SWORD,SLAY EM BY
HAND,
STRAP ON THE BOMB, TO RID EM
FROM OUR LAND.
ALLAH IS GREAT,OUT JIHAD IS TRU
KILL THE INFIDEL,BEFORE HE KILLS
YOU.

from mountains so high,to
the valleys below,
we map out a strategy,and strike
as we go.
no pre-dawn raids,can slow down
our pace,
were 10 million strong,in the
united states.

we don't need liars,cheats and
thieves,
invading our countries, bringing us
to our knees.
we don't need you, or your so-called
god,
death to the infidels,ji fukk'n-had.

SLAY EM BY SWORD,SLAY EM BY
HAND,
STRAP ON THE BOMB,TO RID EM
FROM OUR LAND.
ALLAH IS GREAT,OUR JIHAD IS TRU
KILL THE INFIDEL,BEFORE HE KILLS
YOU.

we thrash down the enemy as
told in the koran,
the blood will flow,like a river in the
land.
your footsteps are death,marks in
the sand,
we'll track em down,and slay em by
hand.

we take up arms, every man
woman and child,
jihad mutha fkk'rs, leave the
bodies in a pile.

we don't need liars,cheats and
thieves,
invading our countries,bringing us
to our knees.
we don't need you, or your so-called
god,
death to the infidels,ji fukk'n-had.

SLAY EM BY SWORD,SLAY EM BY
HAND,
STRAP ON A BOMB,TO RID EM
FROM OUR LAND!
ALLAH IS GREAT,OUR JIHAD IS TRU,
KILL THE INFIDEL,BEFORE HE KILLS
YOU.

PS Has been removed - go into Internet Haganah

Vlad the Imapler, go rid this world of vampires(islamic extremists).

In fact fuck it nuke them, whose going to stop you or dare to nuke you back?Your country covers such a span the enemy wouldn't know which direction the next missile was comming from.

He obviously has ideas who are behind the Beslan massacre other than the chechen murderers.

What Colonel-General Baluyevsky is saying is that they will not use nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive defensive action, a restatement of the long-standing no first nuclear strike cold war doctrine. That does not however, rule out the use of nuclear weapons as a reactive defensive response. A single canister of chemical materials lobbed at the Russians could conceivably be met with a nuclear response.

Oh, its so much fun to pretend, isn't it?

Gary: ...Provides 7% of US daily needs and chops nearly a Third out of SA imports.

Hmmmm...that's funny, last week you told me that it would chop nearly a third out of SA imports, but ONLY for ten years.

So are you still standing by that? If so, what do you imagine will happen after ten years and the ANWAR is empty? Maybe by then Florida will have a democrat for governor and we can drill off the coast?

Besides that, "chop nearly a third"? Big (cheney)-ing deal! You think the Saudis are going to take that laying down? (Even if they did, big (cheney)-ing deal... would you care if you HAD 10 million dollars and then suddenly "ONLY HAD" 6.66 million dollars?) But say they need another slave, ivory back scratcher, or gold-plated bidet. All they have to do is raise the price on the amount the will STILL have to provide even using your liberal (GASP!) estimation.

So, like I asked you before: would you rather pay 2 dollars per gallon for thirty gallons ... or 1 dollar per gallon for the first 10 gallons and then 4 dollars per gallon for the next 20?

Dude, the Saudis have us by the balls because they can pump sweet, pure crude right out of the ground that requires a minimum amount of refining. We have to refine our oil because it is less pure. And it costs more to extract...its actually CHEAPER to pump the oil in Saudi, and ship it all the way around the world, than to pump it out of Tejas or Okie and send it down the street, because of the REFINING process.

Do you realize how cold it is in the ANWAR? Also a lot of our oil comes from the Gulf of Mexico (below water.) That makes it more expensive too.

We could supply our own oil, but it would cost too much for most people to handle. I myself would rather pay 10 dollars a gallon to dig it out of Tejas or Okie and have to refine the hell out of it, than see my buck-fifty go to Saudi, and then to terrorist cells all over the world.

You have already admitted that it "could" provide 7%.... seven percent? For this you'd have us squander our last major reserve of petroleum?

We need that to be kept in reserve, because one day, maybe in 20 years, maybe in 200 years, the nations that have any oil left at all are going to be the nations that rule the world. (And I'd much rather stake my hopes in America that Saudi, Iraq, Qatar, etc.) The reason is simple: cars can run on electricity, tanks and Humvees can't.

Maybe one day we'll have the technology needed to power bulky military vehicles, but that is even farther away than getting plain old civilian vehicles up and buzzing.

Gary, are you blind or do you refuse to see the problem in your "logic"? This is the expected outcome when you reach your conclusion before you even hear the facts of the arguement, and for you and your ilk the conclusion is always the same: the lib'ruls are wrong; the lib'ruls are evil.

FOUR MORE YEARS!

of what? ... of job losses, people losing health insurance, more people and companies declaring bankruptcy, more phony wars, more terrorist recruits, more terror attacks, a president that hates knowledge, and an administration that hates America? Four more years of Ashcroft busting Martha Stewart and Tommy Chong while botching case after case involving muslim terrorists (Yee, Al-Arian, the techie in Idaho, etc.)? Four more years of Pakistan selling nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea? Four more years of a president that hits his face on the road when he wrecks his bicycle (seriously, did he have his hands in his pockets or what?)

Ha! Your convention big guns were not even conservative republicans. You had a conservative "democrat" Zell Miller, and three liberal republicans: Ah-nold, Rudy, and McCain. McCain is so liberal that Rush Limbaugh mocks him. Steriod Boy and Guiliani are for gay rights, abortion rights, and gun laws. What a joke!

Now Cheney (five deferments, lesbian daughter) says that if Kerry is elected, we will be attacked again? Please spare me. That's like Zell saying, "while our boys are dying in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, democrats are obsessed with bringing down our commander-in-chief..." Zell, it's called a "presidential election." Look into it.

So here we meet to complain about Saudi Arabia funding terror all over the world. Kerry mentioned in his convention speech that we need to not depend on SA anymore. Mike Moore SLAMMED them in Farenheit 9-11. And just today I saw the title (or sub-title) of Senator Graham's (D-FL) book mentions the evil Saudis too.

What I want to know is where are the major, mainstream republican-conservatives that are calling the Saudis to task like Moore, Kerry, and Graham? Maybe Mr. Spencer can tell us, since he is convinced that conservatives are taking the threat of Jihad more seriously that liberals. Let's have some names and examples, shall we?

What you guys are either unwilling or unable to admit is that the reason a lot of conservatives hate the Jihadis is because they hate everybody.

By the way, I don't agree with a lot that Chomsky says. (Unlike you, I have studied some of his writtings, in his field of specialty: linguistics. He even f*cks that up... he says only humans can use language, but some anthropologists that are teaching chimpanzees how to use sign language have named their star pupil "Nim Chimsky" in (dis)respect of Nom.) He lies about Israel and Islam every day.

Let's make a deal... you don't compare me to Chomsky and I won't compare you to David Duke.

What we should be trying to do here at this site is convince more people that the threat of Islamic Jihad is REAL. That means convincing liberals too. Not using this forum as a soapbox to whine about politics.

Even if I grant you that liberals support Islam (and I don't grant that), the way to get them to wake up and smell the coffee is not to insult them or whine about FDR, JFK, MLK, Carter, Jesse Jahck-shun, Slick Willie, Hitlery, Kerry, Momma Ketchup (owed to Mike Savage; I gotta admit I like that one), Mike Moore, Al Sharpton, CNN, Al Franken, etc.

The way to convince them that the threat is real is to give examples of outrageous and vicious jihadi behavior. I usually tell them about what happened to the secular, liberal, humanists/atheists after the '79 Iranian Decline. They were all killed by Mullahs, militias, vice police, and other red-eyed, religiously-insane muslims. Or about the way they treat women and homosexuals.

Another good argument is the pretty much every muslim nation that borders on a non-muslim nation has been at war, all through history. Like Paksitan and India, or Syria and Israel. Then, when they win a war they take over that nation (Indonesia/East Timor, Syria/Lebanon, etc.) Then, when pretty-much only muslims are left the different cults start fighting each other (Shi'ites, Kurds, and Sunnis in Iraq; Shi'ites, Sunnis, and Ahmadis in Pakistan; etc.) Finally, when everyone has been subjugated to a single cult of Islam, they start declaring war on their womenfolk (Iran, Saudi, the Taliban, etc.)

If you must complain about Howard Dean, James Carville, and the rest of the lib'rul ne'er-do-wells, why not go to any of the dozens of forums dedicated for that sole purpose? Like www.freerepublic.com? Why do you have to come here, where "we" are trying to talk about Jihad and dhimmitude, and whine about Kerry? Who are you trying to convince?

"Right wing" and "conservative" are not synonymous with "anti-jihad" or "pro dhimmi". Just take the cases of David Duke, Grover Norquist (tell us about him, Hugh) and Pat Buchanon. And we still can't get the truth about Saudi Arabia from Bush, Bush Sr., Cheney, etc. Even though this is supposed to be the "plain spoken" bunch. Shyeah right. That's why they blacked out those 28 pages.

I bet you didn't know that the Saudis have 800 BILLION dollars in our banks... that's just in our banks (i.e. doesn't include stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.) That's about 8% of our economy. I bet you didn't know that the Secret Service guards the Saudi Arabian embassy in DC. The reason you don't know these facts is because the only man with the sand to mention them in the past year is MIKE MOORE! (Don't faint, Gary.)

Morgane.... yuck! I can just hear that as a "rap." Played reeeeeal loud. In a car with reeeeal expensive wheels. With occupants that have reeeeeal expensive garments. And not a cent left to put into their kids' college fund.

As Chris Rock says, "that's what they call 'keepin' it real'. Yeah, real dumb."

Catharine, I beg your pardon, but your insanity is showing.

Putin (an atheist KGB man who's "soul" was "seen" at a certain Waco "ranch") gives the bastards of the world a bad name by comparing them to jihadis....

KeithJoy~ I'm sorry. I didn't hear ANY alternatives to cutting back on SA oil in your skreed... just continued dependence on foreign oil. Nothing about developing new sources, nothing about the Canadian oil sands, which will last long past the end of ME oil, nothing about boosting our own economy at the expense of the enemy (yes, the Saudis).

Where did I compare you to Chomsky? Point it out. When I talk about the Left I mean the Leadership, the Academics, the Media.

Why do you feel the need to believe you are grouped with them? Are these not part of the crowd you are trying to convince?

I don't get why you keep reading things into my words... oh right, conspiracy!

*moves on*

Oh hey, btw kj~ still waiting on those links I requested, proving all your contentions about ANWAR.

And I don't recall ever seeing you ask a questions about 'so much per gallon' of gasoline.

And if this is truly about getting your side on Our side against Jihad, why are all the people you mentioned so Hot to tear down our side in the midst of WW IV? Just can't stand the fact that their agenda is going down the tubes, and will continue to do so long as there is a War on.

Unemployment down to 1996 levels and dropping.
Stock market continues to climb.
The Clinton recession (remember, it began in fall of 2000) has passed.
Foreign nations have outsourced over 4 million jobs to the US, over twice what we have outsourced to them.
Etc.

4 More Years!

KeithJoy~ I'm sorry. I didn't hear ANY alternatives to cutting back on SA oil in your skreed... just continued dependence on foreign oil.

How about solar, wind, and nuke power? How about electric and hybrid cars? How about increased fuel efficiency in the cars that do use gas? Oh yeah... all liberal ideas = "it'll never work."

...at the expense of the enemy (yes, the Saudis).

Yeah it sounds good, too bad "we" can't put it into practice.

Where did I compare you to Chomsky? Point it out. When I talk about the Left I mean the Leadership, the Academics, the Media.

Ooops. Maybe I mistook you for some other con-rep. So the academics and the media define my side? Who defines yours?

Why do you feel the need to believe you are grouped with them? Are these not part of the crowd you are trying to convince?

Because I am a liberal democrat. I want to teach other liberals and democrats the truth about Islam.

And who are you trying to convince that every thing Islam does to us is to be blamed on the liberals? Catharine? Son of Infidel?

The problem is, the more your side pretends that liberals love Islam, the more some weak-minded fools will start to love Islam. And PLENTY of people on your side are in denial as well. (W, Bush Sr., Zogby, Norquist, Baker, Kissinger.)

I don't get why you keep reading things into my words... oh right, conspiracy!

Whatever. A conspiracy is spending 70 million taxpayer dollars to learn about a b-j, then fighting tooth and nail against an inquiry into 9-11.

*moves on*

Now if only you could evolve.

Oh hey, btw kj~ still waiting on those links I requested, proving all your contentions about ANWAR.

If you want the link, use your search engine. I didn't read it on the internet, I heard it on the radio. But it shouldn't matter... I have alreay said that we could use YOUR numbers! Even if we use your "10 years of 7% reduction" it doesn't make a damn bit of difference, as I pointed out in two previous messages. Why don't you answer about that (here's where the only thing you can do is call me a conspiracy theorist.)

Besides, you are a partisan idealogue that wouldn't believe it even if you read it online. You wouldn't believe if a scientist told you, you wouldn't believe it if Bush told you. You'd say "He was forced to be PC."

And I don't recall ever seeing you ask a questions about 'so much per gallon' of gasoline.

Goddam, are you that stupid? You don't understand? All right, let me try it again. Sit down, Gary.

Listen carefully. You CLAIM that decreasing the Saudi oil exports by 30% would hurt them. Remember that? Alright. I say that it wouldn't hurt them, because they would simply raise the price of oil that they would continue to sell to us.

So, say before we bought 100 barrels of oil from Saudi every second, and paid one dollar a barrel. That means each 100 barrels cost us 100 dollars.

After the ANWAR drilling, we only need to buy 70 barrels a second from Saudi Arabia. We will still be paying a dollar a barrel for our "own" oil, and for every hundred barrels we consume, we still buy 70 from Saudi... 30 from ANWAR and 70 from Saudi; before it was 100 from Saudi, remember?

But the Saudis, who kind of like money, know that we still need them for 70/100 of all the oil we consume. So they just raise the price of their oil to say, TWO dollars a barrel. Now, when we buy that 70 barrels, we will pay 140 dollars.

So, before driling ANWAR we paid 100 dollars for every 100 barrels of oil. After, we pay 170 dollars for every 100 barrels of oil.

Before drilling ANWAR the Saudis made 100 dollars for every 100 barrels of oil. After, they make 200 dollars for every 100 barrels of oil.

Are you beginning to see the big picture, Gary? Or is this some kind of conspiracy too?

AND according to you, the ANWAR STILL runs dry in ten years. Then what will the Saudis do?

AND as I have said before, even if the Saudis did take the hit, do you think that it would be hard to get used to living on 70% (for just ten years at least) of what you had, when you had MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars?

I can't believe that you don't understand this. Must be some kind of conspiracy I guess.

And if this is truly about getting your side on Our side against Jihad, why are all the people you mentioned so Hot to tear down our side in the midst of WW IV? Just can't stand the fact that their agenda is going down the tubes, and will continue to do so long as there is a War on.

Man, you need to get a grip. No one is trying to tear down anything; you sound like Zell Miller.... it's called "an election." It happens, period. Tell me your side wouldn't try to take the Whitehouse if Gore was running for re-election.

Unemployment down to 1996 levels and dropping.

So it's only taken Bush four years? To do what Clinton did in four years? Except, Clinton started at 6% and Bush started at 4%.

Stock market continues to climb.

If Bush could make it climb like Clinton did, the Dow would be up to 15,000.

The Clinton recession (remember, it began in fall of 2000) has passed.

Tell that to the millions that lost their retirement funds. The "Clinton Recession" started when it became apparent that Bush was coming to DC. Fall of 2000 started Sept 21, 2000.

Why did Rush Limbaugh go on and on for weeks that Gore should have won in a landslide, because we were so economically prosperous? Who's the liar, you or Rush? Bush took office and said that the economy was soooo robust, that we needed a round of tax cuts for the rich. That we needed to give some of that surplus "back to the people." Who's the liar, you or Bush?

Foreign nations have outsourced over 4 million jobs to the US, over twice what we have outsourced to them.

Shyeah... right. So why is there any unemployment at all? Why does Bush have a net loss of over 1 million jobs since he took office? Please tell me where those jobs are. I want to know. Tell me what they are too. "Four million jobs?" In what time period?

Etc.

Exactly.

4 More Years!

No; 7 More Weeks!

*Flashes the "Looser" sign*

Just can't stand the fact that their agenda is going down the tubes, and will continue to do so long as there is a War on.

I guess you mean the war Bush started in Iraq, since Afghanistan is relatively quiet. Did it ever occur to you that Bush started the Iraq war for political reasons? Like to make some simpletons not question anything he does, after all, "there's a war on"?

I have never criticised Bush's decision to waste the Taliban, and I used to argue with the peaceniks and pollyannas that it was necessary and justified.

This charade with Iraq is entirely different. Saddam may have had WMDs but in the two months it took us to amass an invasion force in Kuwait, he probably just gave them to Al-Qaeda (wow W really is a uniter, eh?) But it was shit that couldn't reach us... how can I be sure? Because if it could reach us it could reach Israel. And if it could reach Israel he would have sent it.

I don't care if you call me a conspiracy monger or whatever. But the fact is, Rush was trying to pin 9-11 on Saddam as early as 9-12-01.

KeithJoy, just give it up. You keep missing everything We say, and insert all kinds of blatantly false suppositions of what we believe or would say.

Leftist Takkyia (I probably spelled that last word wrong...)