More on Alan Clifford, who refuses to play the dhimmi, and the outraged reaction from British dhimmis. From EveningNews24.com, with thanks to the many who sent this to me:
A CONTROVERSIAL Norwich pastor has used the third anniversary of the World Trade Centre bombings to renew his attack on the "evil" of Islam.Rev Alan Clifford hit the headlines last month when he said he agreed with comments made by British National Party leader Nick Griffin that Islam was an evil religion.
And Dr Clifford, who leads Norwich Reformed Church in Eaton, today stuck his head above the parapet once again — and was promptly told to "shut up" by Norwich North MP Ian Gibson.
This week Dr Clifford re-issued a document entitled Path to Paradise: Christ or Muhammad, which he penned in response to the September 11 bombings.
In his treatise, Dr Clifford said it was clear the words of the Qu'ran had inspired the bombers to attack New York — believing it would win them a place in heaven.
The 62-year-old said: "As the third anniversary of September 11 approaches, I re-issue my Path to Paradise: Christ or Muhammad? as an epilogue to our recent Islam debate.
"We dare not lose sight of the fact that our controversy with Islam is not only about free speech, civilised values and democracy.
"Since authentic Christianity gave birth to these things, their survival cannot be guaranteed with it.
"Thus the chief crisis we face is the widespread collapse of Christian conviction in the West."
He said the decay of civilisation as a result of that meant there was "no defence against militant Islam."
He added: "The only antidote to this evil religion and its barbaric ethos is the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ."
But city MP Dr Gibson gave Dr Clifford's latest comments short shrift, and said he should not try to use the anniversary of September 11 for his own purposes.
He said: "I think it is time for him to shut up. He wants to be much more measured and civil in his assessment of Islam and ensure he does not make inflammatory statements which can worsen the tension which exists."
Sohale Rahman, a Muslim who is involved with the West Norfolk and Fenland Muslims and is chairman of campaign group Minority Matters, said Dr Clifford's reading of the Qu'ran was extremely selective and his comments were motivated by his own agenda.
He said: "Muslim is the fastest growing religion in England and the fastest growing among women and it seems to me all he is trying to do is prevent anybody else from becoming Muslim.
"He is not worth getting into a slanging match with, because he would not be interested in having a reasoned debate.
"There are lots more very important people in very respectable positions working in a different way to him who we would rather talk to.
"To some extent it is good what he says, because he has drawn a dividing line with him on one side with Nick Griffin, while our side is us and people like Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
"But the other side of the coin is that people like him are trying to create social disharmony.
"What we do with Minority Matters is to celebrate diversity and understand differences."
Mm-hmm. I wish Sohale Rahman would spend some time combatting Omar Bakri's "extremely selective" reading of the Qur'an.
Yes, the people who want to silence Islam's critics never address the actual criticsms in detail.
Well from a Christian pov, I am not sure if attacking them this way is the best way to win them to Christ but then, I do not know what is in the Pastor's heart and perhaps he feels strongly that a hammer approach is necessary .........perhaps it is........I myself am very crass when it comes to Islam......and I wish I was more kind and diplomatic like Mr. Spencer and others but hey......that's me....I'm still growing too.......
With that being said......on a macro view......I think the courage shown by this non dhimmi is true and if it gets more native Englanders thinking about even there nominal Christian roots or at least jolts people into learning about the differences of Jesus Christ and Muhammed, that could be a great thing.....
And also, if it can even get some Muslims to actually read what there faith is about instead of listening to whitewashes that they hear in some of there mousques, that to is a good thing!!
I just hope the Pastor has protection.....at least the divine sort....
Devon
And btw, they can have that degenerate Tutu and the unrepentant marxist and badly hyped terrorist Mandela........that is hardly a feather in the caps of the Islamists!!
I've been trading e-mails with this gentleman for a few weeks. Show your support for him. His courage is needed, especially in the land of weak, spineless suck ups like Jack Straw.
His E-address is: CliffordNRC@compuserve.com
E-mail him and show your support. He's a good man.
Not for even a single moment can people like Rahman resist the gloating, triumphialist tone we're so used to hearing:
"Muslim is the fastest growing religion in England and the fastest growing among women..."
One the other hand, I think Dr Clifford is quite wrong to assert that Christianity offers the only defence against Islam. The way to defeat Islam is to create a movement of all non-Muslim groups: Christians, Hindus, atheists, everyone.
If Islam is the fastest growing religion in Britain, or in any other non-Muslim country for that matter, it has far more to do with immigration patterns and birth rates than with conversions, which I suspect are relatively small in number and are either done because of marriage to a Muslim or, like other cult members, the convert is a lost soul looking for a sense of belonging.
At the risk of boring everyone, repeat up to date
statistics. There is 1.2 Billion Muslims compared to over 2 Billion Christians on the planet. Only in
actually breeding of brainwashed offspring are Muslims increasing themselves. In actual conversion rates Christianity is gaining, there are now 65 million Christians in China and growing
despite persecution from authorities. Also 'New'
religions such as Pagans,Wiccans etc are growing at a phenomenal rate. In Britain, actual rate of converts to Islam is rated between 30-60 thousand
as censors are wary of Muslim inflating figures which they do all the time. As for 'women' being
converted do they mean Yvonne Ridley...!
Morgane - The figure of 1.2 billion is also inflated. Hugh mentioned trying to add up the number of muslims given for each country, and not being able to find more than 850 000 000. So we seem to have lost 350 000 000 muslims somewhere along the line. Hopefully the rest will follow suit at some point.
This "Islam is the fastest growing religion" thing is constantly spewed out. I get into arguments with people about what Islam is really about and when they can't come up with ways to justify or explain the bloodshed and hatred, they say "but it's the fastest growing religion in the world!". As if to say Islam must be wonderful, hence the growth. And if it has a billion followers, then that must validate it too.
Most of the billion (or whatever the figure really is) are kept in the dark as to the true nature of Islam and what their evil founder was really like. They're fed lies and fantasies. We're being fed lies and fantasies, even as the atrocities and failures of Islam is evident around the world. Good for the pastor! Not only is he not a dhimmi, he's also not stupid. He can see the truth of Islam, and the truth is evident by its actions, not the lies and bullsh** their foot soldiers keep spewing out about peace. It amazes me that many people are still blind to the evidence.
This man is a brave man, he is sending to me news in my e-mail and I am proud of him, we need more people like him, in all churches, in all religions, in all countries.
The date of 1200 millions is false, the islam has the strongest level of apostasies and many people left it, someones publicly, others privately, and yes some british, french, spanish and others but many left islam in two or o three years, because the majority are converts for marryings with women or men muslims, thank Sir, for being brave
How can it be the fastest, they lose 5-6 good muslims for every 1 plane they crash.