Four more Methodists arrested in the UK. From AP:
Police arrested four men Tuesday under the Terrorism Act in the port city of Southampton.The four, aged between 26 and 34, were being questioned, Hampshire police said. Police gave no further details about the men or what they were suspected of doing.
What is this website for anyway?
to propagate hatred against the muslims worldwide? arabs and americans?
is that how you call for peace? by posting these full-of-hatred articles??
My dear "muslim,"
No, this website is not to propagate hatred, but to tell truths that others are unwilling to tell.
When Muslims are no longer arrested for terrorist activities, there will no longer be any need to report the fact.
When these Muslims justify what they do by reference to Islamic texts, as they do repeatedly, self-proclaimed moderate Muslims are faced with a challenge: they can work against radical Muslims within the Islamic umma worldwide, fighting to refute the interpretations of Islam that they use to justify terrorism.
Or they can stand back and shy bricks at those who are fighting against Islamic terror.
I see you have already decided on a course of action.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Director, Jihad Watch
Dear Robert,
As I can see, your website talks about terrorism, and most importantly "islamic terrorism".
But does it define terrorism somewhere?
If it doesn't, how about defining terrorism first, because I understand that once we agree on a definition, then we can have a common ground to start from.
Dear "muslim":
"Terrorism" would generally involve the deliberate victimization of the innocent in order to strike fear in the hearts of an enemy populace. (Cf., for example, Qur'an 8:12).
But I am less interested in "terrorism" than in "jihad," which is what significant elements of the Islamic world is waging against the rest of us. That word is quite specifically defined in numerous Islamic sources. It is the word that Osama and others use to explain what they are doing, and so it is the word I most often use when reporting about their activities. See the left-hand sidebar on this page, or my book "Onward Muslim Soldiers."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Muslim
What is this website for anyway?
Answer: To propagate the facts if hatred the muslims are using against peaceful citizens worldwide. That is how we call for peace! - by posting articles of facts of the hatred you Sand Maggits are forcing on the free world. Right now you are proving everyone correct in assuming the facts are correct by coming forward with your with your post. Yesterday, I saw your posts and must say you have a many things to learn and the sooner the better. I would think if you had any compassion for the innocent victims - even more so the children - that you muslims have murdered, you would go somewhere and hide.
The writing is on the wall. Read it.
My dear THSIMJ,
I'd appreciate it if you would cut out the "Sand Maggots" talk.
Thanks.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Dear Robert,
about your reference to the Quran 8:12
"8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
The lord here inspired "the angels" not humans. That was during a battle, where the muslims where attacked by an ennemy more enormous in number. Then this verse was sent to tell the muslims not to fear and that they will get help from heaven. So it is not related to the subject.
So when an innocent dies, we call it terrorism?
In wars, a lot of innocents die, by bombing or by tanks, like an air raid to a populated area, does terrorism include this?
Grabs popcorn...
=)
Moose
My dear "muslim":
I suspected you would answer this way. Read what I said again. Innocents always die in wars. I wrote rather of "the deliberate victimization of the innocent."
You are trying to lead up to saying that Israel and the US are terrorist states. Let's not forget, however, that the Palestinians and Iraqis have been shown many times to hide their activities among civilians in order specifically to draw justification for the charge that Israel and the US target innocents. But some people in the West, alas for you, were not born yesterday.
As for 8:12, let's not play games here either, eh? I know you can fool most Westerners with this sort of thing, but I am quite familiar with the Qur'an. I refer you to 47:4, 9:5, 9:29, 2:193, etc. etc.
And when you formulate your reply telling me those verses only legitimately refer to defensive actions in Muhammad's day, please also explain why radical Muslims consider such verses to have abrogated the Qur'an's verses of relative tolerance and peace, and to stand as the Qur'an's last word on jihad. Cf. the seminal article "Jihad in the Qur'an and Sunna" by Shaykh 'Abdullâh bin Muhammad bin Humaid:
http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?category=17&id=129
Please also explain how you propose to disabuse them of this idea.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Robert,
I apologize to you and this site for my choice if words. The anger and disgust is the results of events of the recent senseless murders. However, I will endeavor to keep my comments in line with the intent of this respectable site.
Sorry
The INTENTIONAL targeted killing of innocents is terrorism .
Robert
I think you will find it interesting what "muslim" has to say about JihadWatch on this site:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/007793.html
He left several posts towards the end of the thread.
Robert, like all totalizing ideologies there is no room for principled disagreement. Regarding Islam, since you're the resident expert; hasn't it reliably demonstrated itself in the same category?
Our liberal left has enacted "hate" laws to censure those who disagree with them, since they subscribe to the same totalitarian logic as islam. Just exactly who's instigating the hate has yet to be played out in a court of law, up till now its nothing other than the sitting judge's sensibilities. This is the same kind of political/religious moralism that brought the world to a global conflict a generation ago.
I can imagine how hitler would have reacted had he been brought under scrutiny by an independent media, who would have been mildy hostile to his political platform, "muslim"'s rhetoric is of the same psychopathology.
> What is this website for anyway?
The answer may be found in the left column on the initial page.
Dear Jedthro:
Thanks. Most interesting. I've been called worse, although it is nice to be "notorious."
Of course, talk of "racism" is just silly in this context: the jihad ideology is not a race. But if the Left can smear someone as a "hatemonger," they can keep many people from listening to what he has to say.
Much rarer is any substantive discussion of the points I raise.
Notoriously,
Robert Spencer
Newtopia:
Yes. There is no doubt that the jihad ideology is totalitarian and globalist. And hence coddled by the media, as have been most totalitarian ideologies.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Notorious Director of Jihad Watch
I am in no place here to explain the Quran , i was more interested in explaining terrorism. But since your brought it up, it should be clarified:
47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
This verse is to guide Mohammed in "wars", since it clearly says "until the war lays down its burdens".
No army in the world can win a fight without teaching, so why should muslims be taught how to fight in battles? This is pointless.
As of 9:5, it exactly talks about the case where muslims are attacked first, and this shows clearly in the following verse (9:6):
9:6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge
How can Allah ask us to Kill then ask us in the following verse to be peaceful and "escrot him to where he can be secure"???? If what understand from the previous verse is true, then there will be contradiction with the following verse......
May I ask you what do you think of the verse:
2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not hostile; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
What I am trying to say is that you only reference verses out of the actual context, and do not reference other verses where Allah ask us to be merciful, peaceful and compassionate.
Anyway, back to terrorism, why is it that when it comes to Israel and USA, terrorism does not apply? why israel has the right to own mass desctruction weapons, while USA attacks iraq for the so called weapons and kills inocents there and finding nothing after all?
I do believe that some islamic extremists are using the Koran verses to engage people in wars, and most of the time killing innocents is not justified.
But I also believe that every country has the right to defend itself in any way possible, and in anyway necessary. Including palesting.
Let us not forget that Iraq and Palestine are occupied lands, thus those people have the right to do whatever they can, the want or they see necessary to defend the land.
The term terrorism does not apply to suicide bombings in palestine, since, for the palestinians, every israely has once, or is now, or will soon serve in the israeli military and kill a palestinian. So every israeli is an ennemy.
As for Iraq, the world now looks at america as an occupier who came to iraq with fake claims about the "danger" saddam causes, the weapons he owns, and his relation to alqaeda.
None of these claims are true, as we all know, so the war on iraq is can be called terrorism, since it involved killing innocents, and it is not self-defense, since iraq didn't attach USA.
So what do you call the war on iraq? liberation???
I can see that iraqi people are not happy with the american existance on their lands, so what is america still doing there? what is bush waiting for? And why not let the iraqis elect a governor instead of bringing a governor that the people do not agree upon? what democracy is america teaching those people?
I hope i can find an answer to this.
As for isreal, it claims the right of palesting since 2000 years ago!!! how about the native americans killing and terrorising USA under the cause of "claiming their rights in that occupied land"????
What did the USA do about the massacre of Sabra and Chatila in south lebanon in 1982?? 100s of innocent, and I say innocent since most of them were children and women, palestinians died in a raid leaded by Sharon at that time, nobody was left alive there. Pictures of the massacre are on the internet.
And what about abu-gharib? what do you personally call this?
Robert,
It would be an interesting test case for the supreme court to strike down all of the "hate" laws, as they violate the most fundamental principle of judicial positivism. That is, the state is obligated to provide positive proof against the accused, in the case of so called hate laws, there's never been one instance brought to trial to satisfy this principle.
At this point in history, once again citizens are at jeopardy of travelling back through time to the aristocratic age, being forced to prove they're not guilty to the state's inquisitors.
Fear is the greatest lever of the state, in the last fifteen years the sixties generation of freaks and elves now running the government have surreptitiously bamboozled and plyed our society's most fundamental rights against one another with olympian dexterity. Right to the point of exposing all of us to great peril.
My dear "muslim,"
It is all very well for you to explain to me that the Qur'an is really a peaceful, benign thing; what you really need to do is convince the radicals. Why don't they accept your exegesis? And what about Humaid? You didn't address his patient argument in favor of the abrogation of the peaceful verses.
As for Sabra and Chatila, I would ask you to cite any evidence outside of Islamic war propaganda that Sharon had anything to do with it.
As for Iraqi democracy, I have always thought it was a doomed idea. I have published two or three articles about this over the last couple of years.
As for Abu Ghraib, the difference between the West and the Islamic world today is not that one of them never does anything wrong (although I'd take Abu Ghraib under American administration over Saddam's prisons any day); it is that in the West, the perpetrators are prosecuted. In the Islamic world, they are hailed as heroes. When will this stop?
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Robert,
You should add another FAQ to your site which includes questions, accusations and arguments made by 'muslim' visitors to this site that you can refute so you dont have to bother writing the same arguments in these forums over and over and over again. You can easily pick up the link and post it for anyone to read when something like this happens again.
Terrorism? How about not caring who gets hurt as long as terror is incited in the target(whether it be combatant or not), the more the better, without any moral qualm and especially to forward a religious dogma.
Duped? How about a suicide bomber.
Murderer? Person beheading an unarmed journalist or truck driver.
Tolerance? Not trying to kill someone that doesn't believe what you do, not caring what they believe in and not making them submit to some sort of degrading subservience if they don't.
Truth? Eventually self-evident no matter what.
Atrocity? Endangering and eventually killing innocent first graders to forward a political or religious dogma and doing it 100% ententionally!
Fanatic? I'm right and you aren't and you can't ever change my mind no matter how much truth you say because I know and my deity agrees.
Grabbing popcorn too,
Ollie
A religion that has the sword as its symbol..( look at the flags of several Islamic countries)
A relgion that does not forgive in this world.. you have to die and be lucky for god to forgive you (in my opinion Islam is a harsh and unforgiving religion: if you steal once they cut half a finger , if you steal twice the whole finger, the third time you steal they cut off your hand!!!)
Avatar,
That's an excellent idea.
Now, do you know how I could find all my old comments, so that I could pick out the best answers?
I will do this as time and resources permit.
Cordially
RS
Mr. Spencer:
The posts at talkleft.com by "Muslim" are in the exact same linguistic style as "Reza"'s. Before you get too puffed up, she also called ME "the notorious hate-monger and bigot CGW" at LGF for quoting her own hateful words.
I know you no longer believe that "Reza" is a bona fide muslim, but can you check and see if there is more than one registration at JW for her IP address, as Charles did at LGF? I'd really like to know who we're dealing with here.
The "muslim" on this page is not, I believe, the same as the poster at talkleft. Few individuals can alter their linguistic styles so drastically and maintain the charade.
Dear Robert,
As for sabra and Shatila, here are useful links about the massacre and sharon's relation:
http://www.littleredbutton.com/sabra_shatila/
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010622/ip13a.shtml
the first link shows photos, the second is an article about sharon's conviction.
And about the number of victims, sorry, it was more than 2000, half the victims of the WTC!!!
To mention other massacres commited by israel, similar to sabra and shatila, take Qana for example.
These massacres are approved by the USA, for reasons known only to US politicians.
Why israeli crimes are not taken seriously??
I am not trying to clear the image of islam.
Each of us reads the book and understands it the way he likes. It's far more than Islam itself, because I believe that Islam is used for other goals. And most islamic radical movements are led by USA itself through CIA and sometimes explicitely.
I, myself, consider bin laden as a CIA agent used by USA to prepare the world for war for oil, umm...sorry, war against terrorism.
Every sane muslim condemned what happened on 9/11, including myself. And nobody believes that bin laden alone, without interior help from US agents, can do this. Some evidence support my idea, including not firing missles at these planes at the time when you could, and G.W.Bush knowing about the attack before it happened, and not reacting accordingly, etc....
And at last, but not least, the insistance of the USA to keep all evidence that link alquaeda to the attacks "confidential", until bin laden came out and said "i did it", at that time, i realised that this man is a US agent.
By the way, how is the search for OBL going now? any news?
Hey muslim,
Your statement that all Israelis will become soldiers and therefore should become targets because they will eventually kill palestinians...
So, by that logic, Israeli soldiers should just kill all palestinians because given the opportunity, any one of them can be a murderous homicide bomber.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I shall no longer have any sympathy for a 4 year old palestinian who is destroyed by a tank shell. He was just going to blow himself up anyway and kill israelis so he deserved it...
CGW,
Congratulations! There is plenty of room for more "notorious" folks. Come on in, the water's fine!
I just checked, and the "muslim" here and "Reza" are not writing from the same IP. I don't think that "muslim" has the command of English that "Reza" does.
Yrs notoriously,
RS
Re : Arrests in U.K
Neighbours say they were 'very quiet' , a mat hung
over window didn't allow even a peek inside...Perhaps these Asian men were sheltering from British summer,eh!
News about Inman Samudra, convicted Bali Bomber who has shown NO remorse. On the contrary he has written a book titled 'I Fight Terrorists' with Inam on cover pointing warningly to flames [threat] in background. This book is published by
'Jazeera!!' Inam Samudra says he sees nothing wrong in blowing up 'foreigners' and 'unbelievers.'
My dear muslim,
Re Sabra & Shatilla, please refute this careful argument substantively:
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/sabra-shatilla/
Please provide evidence, also, that Osama is a CIA agent, as well as that Bush knew about the attacks before they happened, etc.
Re Islam: there's the rub. Everyone reads it the way he likes. What then do you propose be done about the jihad ideology that is fueling global violence?
And I suppose you renounce the doctrines of offensive jihad and violent jihad against unbelievers in general?
Notoriously,
Robert Spencer
Dear Robert,
I don't have clear evidence, but it is widely known that the CIA trained ossama ben laden in the war against Communism, and supported that war, so why not use it also in other wars like this one?
And for osama to be hidden till this time and not be found, while USA heads to Iraq and forget about 9/11's OBL, this is rediculus for me.
As for Bush knowing, it was said on CNN, FOX and other news channels that bush's administration knew about the attack , but they said they didn't know how sever it would be, and they dind't have enough information to stop it.
I am personally against terrorism outside occupied lands. Suicide bombing in Iraq against "american soldiers" is justified, as I believe it is self defense against invadors.
Same in Palesting.
But killing civilians isn't.
'Every sane muslim condemned what happened on 9/11, including myself.' ~ Muslim
Really?
Show us the links? Show us the letters to the editor in newspapers across the US? Show us that they gave their names to be printed, when they did so?
Show us where you posted your statements? And mind, we are talking about ALL of the above, without these self-same muslims tossing in 'terrorism' by the US or Israel. The links and letters Must be strictly about 911 and other islamic terrorist acts.
What did the 'mainstream' media do, hide all of this from us?
Dear "muslim,"
"I don't have clear evidence, but it is widely known that the CIA trained ossama ben laden in the war against Communism, and supported that war, so why not use it also in other wars like this one?"
Actually the idea that the CIA trained Osama has been shown to be false. The evidence is in Richard Miniter's book "Losing Bin Laden."
But even if it did, so what? I have been consistently critical of the State Department and the US Administration for failing to recognize what the global jihad is all about. This site is about that jihad, of which America is a prime target, but it is not an apologetic site for the State Department, which has consistently downplayed and misunderstood the jihadist threat.
"As for Bush knowing, it was said on CNN, FOX and other news channels that bush's administration knew about the attack , but they said they didn't know how sever it would be, and they dind't have enough information to stop it."
Well, by that standard, I knew too.
"I am personally against terrorism outside occupied lands."
So you're OK with terrorism inside "occupied lands"? What then constitutes an "occupied land"? Would the recent statements by imams saying that America and Australia (you can find them here if you search) were originally Muslim lands mean that they're "occupied" too?
Cordially
RS
muslim,
do you consider american troops in South Korea to be occupation and therefore targets for suicide attacks or any attack for that matter?
Or do you feel they are there for a greater purpose, maybe something such as protecting the south koreans from north korea. A commuinist regime that has threatened its neighbors, builds weapons of mass destruction from past and present and starves it citizens.
Hmmmmmm...kind of sounds like Saddam doesnt it.
So, I ask again, should American troops be in South Korea? If your answer is yes, then why should America not be in Iraq protecting its citizens from Saddam's regime and any others that seems to be wanting the same for the Iraqi people.
Lucky for the South Koreans, they can speak out publicy asking for this protection. In the days of Saddam, Iraqis could not.
muslim,
Here are some sites you might want to visit to see how Americans are viewed by some Iraqi's...
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
http://english.iraqdemparty.org/
http://iraqataglance.blogspot.com/
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
http://www.roadofanation.com/blog/
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/
"I am personally against terrorism outside occupied lands. Suicide bombing in Iraq against "american soldiers" is justified, as I believe it is self defense against invadors."
Every Iraqi DOES NOT feel as you do, some feel very different.
What do you think of these people?
Moose
"muslim,"
You wrote: "Suicide bombing in Iraq against 'american soldiers' is justified, as I believe it is self defense against invadors."
I'm sorry. I overlooked that sentence in your remarks before.
Since you have thereby crossed the line from civilization into barbarism, I don't think we have anything more to talk about.
Robert Spencer
I consider troops that are on a land without the acceptance of the people themselves (not their governments, since these governments are not always elected by the people, thus they do not represent the will of the people) to be occupiers.
I don't think this is Korea's case.
But in Iraq, the people want USA out! And in palestine, palestinians want Israel OUT of gaza strip and the west bank.
As long as these 2 forces are occupiers, there is a war between the 2 parites, and everything is permitted.
Muslim,
I believe you stated that Palistinian childern are "not" being groomed as suicide bombers aka "human bombs".
Once again I will post the "truth" ,which I am certain you continue to deny.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is".
Would-be suicide bomber
runs home
Some Palestinians unafraid to speak out against child 'martyers'
WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: April 24, 2002
"Israel's month-long offensive to smash Palestinian terrorist strongholds in the West Bank has had a side effect worth noting: Some ordinary Palestinians are no longer afraid to speak out and admit their distress – in front of television cameras".
"In the Jabalya camp of the Gaza Strip, the local correspondent for Israel's Channel 2, Seliman a-Shafi, gave Sunday night viewers a rare glimpse into the mind of a would-be suicide killer – a terrified adolescent aged 14 who freely told his story".
"Sent on a suicide mission against an Israeli military position – he did not say by which group – he set out with another boy in the dark of night. Halfway there, he stopped".
"I didn't want to die," he said, tears rolling down his face. "I wanted to go back to my family." He tried to persuade his friend to return home with him. The friend refused. The boy turned back alone and a few minutes later heard an explosion. Filled with fear, he ran hard until he reached the safety of home".
"The boy's family took part in the interview, led by his comfortably ample mother and surrounded by her large brood. "They take our children when they are too young to understand, to decide if they want to die. Why don't they take the louts hanging round the markets? My boy is in shock. He can't stop weeping. He doesn't know whether he did right or wrong. We don't let him out of the house without his father – in case he changes his mind again, or they catch him. We are all in shock."
"In a strong, assertive voice, she told the interviewer that she was not the only mother in this situation. The Gaza Strip is full of women keeping a tight hold on their young sons. "All of us here are badly traumatized," she said. "But there is not a single psychologist in the whole territory to help us."
"The boy from Gaza was not by any means the youngest child to be marked out as a "martyr." In Jenin, where the walls were plastered with large posters depicting dozens of dead youths, Israeli soldiers learned to beware of innocent-looking 10- and even 7-year-olds with hidden bombs".
Robert,
did you read what I wrote?
Suicide bombing in Iraq against 'american soldiers' is justified, as I believe it is self defense against invadors."
I was talking about "american soldiers" not citizens, so where is barbarism in this?
and how do you suggest the iraqis can kick the invadors out? if not by fighting??
Do you also call killing "soldiers" terrorism????
you keep surprising me
Chalk up another one for the great Robert Spencer!
Muslim,
About those child suicide bombers...
Since the Abu-Gharib issue was brought up I'd
like point out that Muslims seem to love to scream that "they're innocent until proven guilty"
only when it applies to Muslims.
Please afford the same luxury you demand from non-Muslims,so far I assume only about 7 people are facing charges based on photo's. I find it so ironic that when a groups of terrorists hack of the head of a non-Muslim while they scream "Allah'a Akbar" and video tape the musder,Muslims claim the video is fake and the Israelis and CIA were behind it.
If Muslims are fooled so easily by the prison
photo's,then I've got some pictures of Forrest Gump meeting Richard Nixon,John Kennedy,L.B. Johnson,John Lennon and Elvis that you can buy for a really good price.
Although all my 9/11 video's are fake since the CIA forced the media to air the WTC attack,the beheading video's of course are fake and the families held Mock-funerals because the CIA has the hostages held at the area-51 military base
which also houses the roswell alien.
I hope that while your in the USA you tell the authorities that you believe people are innocent befor proven guilty,unless a photo is produced as evidence that all Muslims accept
as the absolute truth.
Yours truely
ALA SUX
Mr. Spencer:
I don't believe that "Reza" is going to answer your post calling her out on a previous thread (her usual MO is to spew-and-run, although she will occasionally respond to a challenge).
Does this mean that the next time she posts her usual troll tripe, you will ban her automatically (if she has not answered your question to your satisfaction)?
I am still unconvinced that she is not a muslim, although I would get a good laugh out of being persuaded otherwise, and if that were the case, after the veil had lifted, perhaps we could all have a more meaningful exchange, if she is truly "one of us". (By that I mean anti-jihad, not just an agent provocateur.)
"I consider troops that are on a land without the acceptance of the people themselves..."
READ SOME OF THE LINKS I POSTED.
You and some others don't hold a monopoly on the opinions of Iraqi's, they can now speak their mind, AND ARE !
" As long as these 2 forces are occupiers, there is a war between the 2 parites, and everything is permitted."
Maybe before you make a statement like this, you should ask your muslim brothers if this is helping them build a new future, or hurting it?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/10/sprj.nirq.main/
Here is a story for you to mull over, since not one American "invador" was wounded, but 50 Iraqi's lost their lives on Tuesday, February 10, 2004. I guess this was just bad luck that there were no American's nearby, or maybe this is simply using a suicide bomber for the wrong reasons.
Please, help me clear up when one is okay and when one is not...On second thought, nevermind.
Moose
Muslim-
The Americans are dying to leave Iraq (no pun intended) just as soon as events in the country give some sort of indication that the rule of law will be observed and a stable, democratic government will not be molested, and Iraqis can maintain their government in an orderly manner without reverting to some sort of theocratic nightmare a la the Taliban or what existed in Iran under the Ayatollah Khomeini.
These may, however, be pipedreams.
Jihad at JihadWatch
the jihadi volunteers for the job
and studies the words written by the mob
of motley infidels who dare question
the perfection of her prophet and her god.
another brother jihadi takes her place
eager to meet the unbelievers face to face,
for either by the pen or by the sword,
he will fight until he has the final word.
Listen to me, muslim,
we are the Free
and the Free will always be
the caretakers of humanity.
Muslim,
More "facts" for you to read.
"In the al-Aqsa intifada, Palestinian terrorists exploit young people in the aid of terror as human shields and bomb-transporters but also as suicide bombers and combatants. Although there were many witnesses and photos documenting uses of children, the issue was not reported by the world media and human rights group until the widely televised incident when the Palestinian teenager Hussam Abdo was disarmed in front of the TV cameras".
Palestinian supporters ignore claims about incitement and indoctrination of "Shuada" (Martyrdom operations or just martyrdom in Arabic) and "Jihad" in children by Palestinian Authority and religious clerics in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip".
"On June 16, 2004, two girls - aged 14 and 15 were arrest by the IDF for plotting a suicide bombing".
"According to IDF statement, the two minors were recurited by Tanzim (Fatah's armed wing) activists, guided by Hizbullah. On July 3, the Israeli security forces have thrawted a suicide bombing which should have been carried by a 16-years-old Muataz Takhsin Karini. Karini and two of his operators were arrested, while a 12 kg explosive belt was detonated safely by Israeli EOD crew".
muslim,
Dont confuse the difference between Iraqis wanting the US out of Iraq and Iraqis that want to kill Americans because the US is in Iraq. No country likes foreign troops in their country. So yes, its fair to say that a majority of Iraqis want's the US out of the country. This does not legitimize their "reistance movement". Mainly becasue there is a vast number of Iraqis who do want the US in Iraq for protection against killers who want to see the US fail and impost their will on the country. Look no further and Sadr... Duh.
You may find this hard to believe but there are a lot of South Koreans who do not want the US in South Korea. Does this mean South Koreans should start killing US troops because they dont like the occupation. The South Koreans have an elected government, but surely not everone in their govenment wants the US in S. Korea.
Dear Robert,
As I can see, your website talks about terrorism, and most importantly "islamic terrorism".
But does it define terrorism somewhere?
If it doesn't, how about defining terrorism first, because I understand that once we agree on a definition, then we can have a common ground to start from.
Posted by: muslim at September 7, 2004 03:14 PM
Your friends are KILLING Iraqi People just like saddam killed over 300,000 Iraqi people?
I would call Cutting the heads of Cooks and Cleaners terrorism and they believe in islam?
I would call flying planes into Buildings on a clear day to Kill people who are working is terrorism? done by your islamic friends?
I would call the Mass muder of Russian Children[shooting them in the back] terrorism by your friends islamic terrorism?
I would call the blowin yourself up on a bus in Israel to kill children terrorism islamic friends of yours?
Bombing of dance halls killing young people haveing some fun terrorism again your islamic buddys?
And now the friends islamic terrorist kidnap Italian women? again Islamic terrorism?
The Iraqi People are the ones who want to be FREE and your islamic terrorist are killing those who would help them be Free WHY?
you forget the qu-ran 5:32 those who would kill a Jew is if he has killed ALL MANKIND and those who would save a life is as if he SAVED ALL MANKIND
The American Forces and others have saved the Iraqi People from saddam who killed many Iraqi people and you want to kill those who have saved the Iraqi people?
Look at what sader did to the Iraqi who did not want him in the mosque? He and his goons killed over 200 Iraqi men in the mosque and cut off their penius and stuffed them into their mouths I would call that terrorism wont you?
Part of the American Tribe
Spider Killer
Squirrel Hunter
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Victory Open thier Eyes to Islamic Terrorist Amen
People, people. It's time to stop wasting our arguements on deathcult zombies like "muslim" and the laughable "reza". They are like the Borg on Star Trek - incapable of listening or understanding anyone else's viewpoint - they are so brainwashed by Islam that you might as well communicate with a brick wall. Their inability to accept any contradictions to their own bigoted worldview proves false the arguement that Islamic Terrorism can be defeated by "political" means. Like the most rabid Nazis they are incapable of accepting reality - we must isolate them from our civilisations, remove them from our societies and if they continue supporting violent Jihad we must destroy them the way a surgeon destroys a cancer. Islam is a communicable diesease and should be treated as such. Let's concentrate our arguements on the liberals in our society who , after the slaughter in Russia, are beginning to slowly open their eyes to the real nature of the Islamic beast they have flirted with over the last decade.
LOVE LIFE ! HATE ISLAM
P.S Good to see the Poetess back !
Muslim said:
Every sane muslim condemned what happened on 9/11, including myself.'
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If this was true, the afternoon of 9/11, or the following day, would have seen every single Muslim in the United States marching on the mall in DC protesting what happened.
Muslim-
You will not answer this, in all probability.
But my question is this:
If Islam is so peaceful, then where did these wars in the Quran originate from??
Seems to me that there was a person (WE WON'T SAY WHO IT WAS) who ran over those who disagreed with him. He caused these people to be bribed, murdered, or silenced through any means.
Tell me, explain to me in detail, how peaceful populations which worshipped a moon god/goddesses in ancient Arabia, deserved the treatment the pedophile/thief/murderer named Muhahammed exacted upon them.
Also- how did this "religion" spread during the lifetime of Muhammed, except via means of violence?
Muslim said:
Every sane muslim condemned what happened on 9/11, including myself.'
From what I have observed, the streets of muskim cities were filled cheering people. There were many cities where cameras were not allowed because the cowards knew it would be perceived as a bad example. I haven’t seen any “sane muslims” responding. I don’t believe you either.
Muslim needs to be held accountable for libel and slander...
People of good will - beware!
The posters "Rikki", "Rightwing", "Moose", and "Truth Seeker" are racist bigots who have been recruited to spam this site. The notorious racist "Rikki" has posted numerous calls on the Jihad Watch hate site for his fellow bigots to come here and attack Muslims and "socialist vermin".
"socialist vermin" Thats my terminology Muslim. Lets give credit where credit is do.
Many of the posters on Jihad Watch, including most definitely "Rikki" and "Rightwing" (known as "Son of Infidel" on Jihad Watch) are violent and clearly mentally disturbed. Be very careful in dealing with these people - they are dangerously disturbed racists and religious bigots.
lefttalk.com
Posted by Muslim at September 7, 2004 10:55 AM
Son of Infidel:
The two "muslims" are not one and the same person. The person who posted as "Muslim" at talkleft.com is the same one who posts here as "Reza". The "muslim" on this page is a different person altogether.
Trust me - "Reza" said some of the same things about me at LGF, using the same turns of phrase.
The linguistic styles of the two "muslims" are completely different, whereas those of "Reza" and the "Muslim" at talkleft are identical.
CGW
CGW,
Thanks for the insight.
Therefore "Reza" is a "Muslim" impostor and as such this phony should be banished from Jihad Watch.
Only "real" Islamo-fascists should be permitted to post here.
Muslim, There is no other on this planet doing what you and your's do! No one else but your kind enjoys this kind of hell.If you think the free world will let you just keep going on with the things that you have done then you are in error my enemy.Mr. Spencer and the people at this site will show the whole world what you and yours really are. In closing just let me say, Go to Hell with all the fools who think as you do. fox1
"Every sane Muslim condemned what happened on 9/11" is a statement that deserves examination. There was cheering all over Beirut, as reported in a Wall Street Journal article, by a woman who was not a reporter, but there on business. In Egypt, Frank ("Help me, I'm a Muslim. Help me, I'm a Muslim.") Gardner reported on the general air of jubilation in Egypt -- a report which I heard and which can be recovered from the archives. In Saudi Arabia, long after 9/11, a private poll suggested tbat 95% of Saudi mailes between 19 and 45 thoroughly approved of Bin Laden. All over the Muslim world there was jubilation, except among the secular Turks, who did not celebrate, and among those Iranians who, disgusted of course by the regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran, showed up in Tehran for an expresson of sympathy. In other words, precisely to the extent that Muslims were not Muslims, were secular or opposed to a Muslim regime, and only to that extent, were they sympathetic to the American victims of the 9/11 attack.
Rewriting of history by Arab Muslims is commonplace; they would like everyone to forget the actual system of land ownership in the Ottoman vilayets into which "Palestine" was divided(nearly 90% state-owned land); they would prefer that no one look too closely at the actualy population figures, or learn that many of those so-called "Palestinians" moved in in the 19th century, from Egypt, from the army of Abd el Kader in Algeria after his defeat, from Bulgaria and other places where Muslims were left high and dry when the tied of Ottoman power receded, and were moved into that area by the Ottomans, who -- like Stalin after him -- were quite adept at moving large populations around (think of the "Polish Village" established after the failed Revolution of 1848 against the Russians -- it still exists outside Istanbul).
Much of the Muslim world -- not all but much -- is delighted every time a defeat is inflicted on the Infidels. They were delighted that the Bamiyan Buddhas were destroyed, and only a few pretended to be upset. They are delighted when Israeli schoolgirls are massacred. They are delighted at 9/11. They are indiffernt to Infidels, who for some reason still absurdly exist, and absurdly refuse to submit to the wonders of Islam. Of course, the most educated know perfectly well what a constraint, a mental constraint, Islam is on free thought. Some fight their way through to becoming ex-Muslims, and much relieved, speak freely. Others condemn themselves to a life of lies, half-lies, and embarrassment with Infidels, to whom they cannot -- out of some filial piety, or an incapacity to face the dismal truth about Islam and what its net effect on the world has been (how can they, really? It would mean to admit to oneself that the belief-system that had formed one's parents, grandparents, ancestors was really quite an unpleasant one -- one reason that so many otherwise intelligent Muslims simply will not come close to the subject of how dhimmis were treated, and become offended when the name "Bat Ye'or" is even raised; they become, in fact, quite hysterical (there is something about Islam that seems to bring hysteria with it, a hysteria that can be hidden or controlled, but is easily brought up to the surface; it may have something to do with living constantly in fear of Islam itself being found out, and thus of one's own worth being called into question). That is why so many Muslims, even in academic life, whether doing archeology, or anthropology, or literary criticism, or the history of Islamic science, always have a defensive edge to their studies, which so often become simmply politics, whatever the putative subject they seem to be specializing in.
This site is hateful! The posters hate ignorance, lies, distorted propoganda, self-serving accounts, the death of innocents, righteous indignation, inaccurate apologists, the satanic "happy dance", twisted minds, black hearts, media distortions, truth contortions, and intellectual dementia!
So bring it on Muslim.
"It is true that every day has its own evil, and its good too. But how difficult must life be, especially farther on when the evil of each day increases as far as worldly things go, if it is not strengthened and comforted by faith. And in Christ all worldly things may become better, and, as it were, sanctified. Theo, woe is me if I do not preach the Gospel; if I did not aim at that and possess faith and hope in Christ, it would be bad for me indeed, but no I have some courage".
Vincent Van Gogh
Grabs popcorn...
=)
Moose
Posted by: Moose at September 7, 2004 03:33 PM
LOL!!! :0)
Rikki,
It seems you and I have become quite notorious.
"You people should know that "Rikki" and "Rightwing" (aka "Son of Infidel") are regular posters at the notorious far-right Antimuslim hate site Jihad Watch. They are both racist Muslim-hating bigots who call openly for the extermination of Muslims. "Rikki" even boasts of his adventures in physically assulting Muslims on the street and apparently has served prison time for a violent felony. "Right Wing", who posts under the name "Son of Infidel" on Jihad Watch, has boasted there that he is attacking the "Leftist, Socialist vermin" at talkleft.com. These men are dangerously unstable - take care"!
Posted by Muslim at September 7, 2004 10:23 AM
Talkleft.com
Notoriously,
Robert Spencer
Posted by: jihadwatch at September 7, 2004 03:58 PM
Double LOL!!! ;->
Rikki,
I am proud of you mate, keep assulting those ragheaded sand maggots and give them a good kick in the bollocks for me.
Typo: "assaulting"
Robert Spencer and CGW,
Maybe the 3 of us could get together and become a brand new super hero faction fighting against global jihad.
How does Notorious Neo Three sound, nah don't like the "neo" in their, The Matrix production team might sue us.
Oh well, thats my idea-pot empty again, for the day (must be my "notorious racism" exausting my mental functions again)!!!
Any other suggestions folks?
Rightwing (aka Son of Infidel):
Maybe you could join the crew too.
Respect going out to you and all of the guys who supported me on "talkleft yesterday", be proud, stay proud, of being a westerner a christian , a jew and all the other freedoms of choice we are allowed in the free-world.
Rikki,
I am proud of you mate, keep assulting those ragheaded sand maggots and give them a good kick in the bollocks for me.
Posted by: Son of Infidel at September 8, 2004 08:27 AM
STOMP!!! Yowser, ya just know that smarted a wee bit!!!
"You people should know that "Rikki" and "Rightwing" (aka "Son of Infidel") are regular posters at the notorious far-right Antimuslim hate site Jihad Watch
Sonny,
I don't think he even fooled the socialist vermin(LOL) with that crap
Hope this helps lads
http://213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,42077,00.html
Catholic Church gives out a mixed message
http://213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,42234,00.html
You guys are cool....
"Your grandchildren will be notorious posters on Jihadwatch"