More glorification of death in the name of jihad. From Reuters:
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A militant group headed by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said on Monday it had beheaded an American hostage and posted a video of the killing on the Internet.The video, on an Islamist site, identified the hostage as Eugene Armstrong and showed a masked man sawing his head off with a knife.
The video showed the banner of Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group, which said it had kidnapped the hostage along with another American and a Briton in central Baghdad last Thursday.
The video was the first word on the three men since a 48-hour execution deadline set by the group on Saturday expired earlier in the day.
Tawhid and Jihad said in footage posted on the Internet on Saturday it would kill the three men unless Iraqi women were freed from Abu Ghraib and Umm Qasr jails in 48 hours.
The families of Americans Armstrong and Jack Hensley and Briton Kenneth Bigley have appealed for their release. The men were seized from their house in an upscale neighborhood of Baghdad on Thursday by a group of gunmen.
The U.S. military says no women are being held in the two prisons specified, but that two are in U.S. custody. Dubbed "Dr Germ" and "Mrs Anthrax" by U.S. forces, they are accused of working on Saddam Hussein's weapons programs and are in a prison for high-profile detainees.
Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group has claimed responsibility for most of the bloodiest suicide bomb attacks in Iraq since the fall of Saddam. It has already beheaded several hostages, including U.S. telecoms engineer Nicholas Berg in May and South Korean driver Kim Sun-il in June.
#%&^%$#&*(*&^%^()&%$@@%&%**!!!
They want tthe 2 women who we had in the deck of cards ask yourself who were these women?
The 2 women they want are the ones who know where the Cem,s are and the Bio stuff?
They are losing and want to sneak out to do more harm to the west?
THESE ARE MONSTERS AND PURE EVIL AND THE WORLD MUST STOP HIDDING AND PAYING THE DIMMI TAX TIME TO STAND AND WOOP-ASS! LIKE THEY DID AFTER 1812?
This time it is TIME TO FINNISH THE JOB!!
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Spider Hiller
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the EVIL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen
PS
VICTORY TO SHORT SKIRTS
News regarding plans to attack Fallujah in December is at www.hundredpercenter.com.
It won't be soon enough.
Here we go again,another fake video produced by the CIA. Everyone knows Islam forbids violence and no "True" Muslim would do such a thing.
No doubt the JEWS are behind this just as they
were behind the 9/11 attack,after all,Arabs and Muslims couldn't have had the brains to pull off such elaborate schemes. I saw FRNHT-911 and Michael Moore would never lie just for the money
because he's very patriotic and greatfull Citizen.
Again,Islam is a faith of Peace and tolerance so lets stop condemning the .03 percent of Muslims in America for the actions of the 99.97 percent outside America.
NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
Posted by: ala-sux at September 20, 2004 05:14 PM
Have you been reading yahoo again?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&ncid=2026&e=16&u=/latimests/20040919/ts_latimes/kerrysoncesizableleadwithfemalevotersslips
Kerry's Once Sizable Lead With Female Voters Slips
By Matea Gold Times Staff Writer
BOSTON — Women's rights activists have grown increasingly anxious that Sen. John F. Kerry () is failing to shore up a key constituency after recent polls showed that female voters are backing him by just a small margin.
With Republican presidential candidates generally performing well among male voters in recent elections, Democratic presidential contenders need a strong showing among female voters to be competitive. But the recent surveys have found Kerry up by as little as four percentage points over President Bush (In 2000, by comparison, Democrat Al Gore () beat Bush by 11 points among female voters — which was precisely Bush's margin over Gore among male voters.
The worried women's rights leaders say that Kerry's campaign has all but ignored female voters in its organizing and in its message. In recent days, campaign officials have acknowledged that they need to bolster Kerry's standing with women.
Several of the women activists said that as Kerry has tried to move to the political center and to project strength on national security, he had given short shrift to issues such as equal benefits and abortion rights.
"The women's vote should not be taken for granted," said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women (). "He runs the risk of the entire campaign if he does not succeed in getting the message out to women that he is the candidate who will make sure they have decent jobs and fair benefits."
Gandy and others said the Massachusetts senator had given Bush an opening to appeal to female voters with his "W is for Women" campaign, which featured First Lady Laura Bush as her husband's top surrogate.
The president's reelection effort has worked to create a grass-roots network of female supporters, giving them material about Bush's agenda to distribute at "W is for Women" house parties.
On Friday, the president's campaign trip to Charlotte, N.C., was focused on gaining support from women. Before a largely female audience, he promoted his tax cuts as beneficial to female-owned businesses, and argued that the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan () and Iraq () had improved conditions for women in those countries.
Many women's rights activists express astonishment that Kerry has not sought to capitalize on his longtime support for abortion rights or assailed the Bush administration's policies on women's issues, including a ban on U.S. aid to international family planning organizations that discuss abortion.
"The fact is that George Bush) is the commander in chief of a war on choice," said Gloria Feldt, president of Planned Parenthood () Federation of America. "Kerry needs to smoke Bush out and he also needs to advance his own agenda."
Couls it be that Women Want to keep their Heads and their Children not be Killed and Raped by MONSTER EVIL ISLAMIC TERRORIST WHO CUT OFF PEOPLE HEADS AND RAPE CHILDREN!
Yes these women walk the streets of America and See mulsums who smile at them then tell them it is okay to kill Jewish People and Children well Women here do think about their safty and Kerry's dog don't hunt!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with them[Iraqi Too] Give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen
A certain website does have the video.DO NOT watch it. It is horrible and very disturbing. Again it's the true face of islam.
Ummagumma - Maybe as grusome as it is, it needs to be seen . If the public was made aware of the true horror maybe more people would start to question Islam!
Granted those of us who take part in this forum and other such sites are already aware, the problem is that the average person is still stuck in their PC world where all is well and the media does not want to "tramatize" the public with the truth.
A certain website does have the video.DO NOT watch it. It is horrible and very disturbing. Again it's the true face of islam.
Posted by: Ummagumma at September 20, 2004 05:42 PM
Post the Sight so people can see what these MONSTERS WILL AND CONTUINE TO DO until we kill every last one of them and Their SUPPORTERS TOO!!
This is the only way to be safe? See and then Hate and harden your heart to wou will do what you can to FIGHT AND KILL ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM !!
I have seen all that have been posted so far I give the People they killed at least that respect to know that someone cares and will bere whitness what the EVIL MONSTERS HAVE DONE TO THEM I Pray that we will Kill them ALL and All who Support them in any way!!
The only way is to Open the Eyes to these MONSTERS Yes People will be sickened but look at all the people who go to freddy Kurger movies AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE STRONGER THAN YOU THINK!!
This wips up an Anger that is what takes to Win this War!!
DO YOU WANT A HOME GAME OR AN AWAY GAME???
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Defeat the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the Worldto their Threat Amen
Allright,you have been forewarned.I am still uncomfortable of doing this.Remember,this is islamic terror in action. http://www.ogrish.com
If you must watch the video, at least check this blog first.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
The reporter I saw today on CNN looked like he wanted to vomit. Me too.
Is this truly the work of "God"?
Hello....Muslims??
Why don't Buddhists, Christians or animists do this in the name of their religion?? Why ONLY Muslims??!!!
Mr. Spencer,
Is there any way to get ahold of the entire statement that was released with this video, or at least word for word translation of the statement on the video?
I emplore you to get, and then post it here. Along with every other statement released by this movement. More than this disgusting video, the words they speak awakens more people to what they turly want. I have never found a site that collects, and posts the statements. Let people read and understand what they want and what drives them to do such unbelievably inhuman acts.
The root will be exposed, they do it for Allah.
Moose
Yes Scream in the name of Islam will we have to Kill them All They are talking about our mac. can not defeat them they are coming to kill all Americaians that the mulsums in American will join them and our mac can not save us?
Once again they SCRAEMED THAT THEY KILLED THIS MAN WHO WAS THERE TO HELP THE IRAQ PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM THEY CUT HIS HEAD OFF WITH A DULL KNIEF SO THEY COULD HEAR HIS ATTEMPT AT STREAMS? TRYING TO BREATH THE SOUND IS THE SOUND OF AN ELK WHEN THEY ARE CALLING A MATE? BUT THESE ARE MONSTERS WHO TIE A MANS HANDS BEHIND HIS BACK AND CUT HIS HEAD OFF WITH A DULL KNIFE TO MAKE THE PAIN LONGER!
Time for the Game to be over we have MOABS we will forgive ourselfs and Look at Iran they are sending more killers the Iraqi People have to point out these monsters and ALL who SUPPORT them or the American People will think they are with them and must be KILLED TOO!
Where are the mulsums in this country we hear only slinece these MONSTERS SAID THAT THEY FOlLOW BIN LADEN TIME TO BRING IN THE BIG BOMBS AGAIN AND STOP THIS GAME!
THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY ARE HERE HIDDING AMONG MULSUMS OF ISLAM IN AMERICA?
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Kill all Islamic Terrorist and Their Supporters Open the Eyes of the World and give them some balls Amen
Catherine-
The time to hunt squirrels and spiders is long past.
i just watched this video ,,,and most things i can handle ,,but ,,THIS MADE ME SICK !!!!
and they call this a religion of peace .
peace ?? where ???mercifull ???? where ?????
all i see is hate the infidel ,
mark
Posted by: kafira at September 20, 2004 07:04 PM
Like I said like the 2nd Add and have been out buying stuff for big game?
And I am talking MOABs not playing thes games which Arabs like to play!!
Mark7762 this will make most humans sick but you must get ANGRY and hate these MONSTERS!
The only thing to do is KILL them don't try to figger out why Just KILL them ALL AND THEIR SUPPORTERS!
Kerry today said it is President G.W. Bush's falt the Arabs like UBL more than America Where has he been wind surffing?
This has been a FIGHT for many 100s of years and must END with us the WINNERS or the world is lost
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to Kill these Monster Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Send Rather to jail he is the editor and chif and Know the Papers were Foragerys!!
Concerning the beheading video:
One wonders how a human being could perform such a methodical and callous act upon another human being?
One would think that the "mess" of such an execution would be enough to disgust a "normal" person.
What the West and the rest of the non-Islamic world have forgotten is the norm of this culture is completely at odds with the rest of the WORLD.
The brains of the adherents are washed and rooted in a 7th century dogma which continues its path of stagnation.
The Aztecs ripped out the hearts of their sacrificial lambs in supplication and/or appeasement to their gods.
As far as I know, this primitive system has become extinct.
Not in the Islamic world.
If one has grown up on a farm and has had the unfortunate duty of slaughtering a chicken, a pig or a cow, one will understand the intense guilt of performing such an act.
This feeling is HUMAN.
One can view this video and see firsthand, the cruelty of this act was perpetrated by non-HUMAN, indeed alien, beings.
Muhammad, his teachings and the host which follow are anti-life.
Moes' Foe-
At least the Aztecs gratefully ATE their victims after religious sacrifice due to starvation caused by massive droughts affecting crops and the resulting protein deprivation in their empire. These Islamic savages, on the other hand, just take videos and dump their victims by the side of a road.
Didn't we have a Muslim on this board just the other night saying that Islam is better than the old pagan ways?
I dare him to justify this latest incident.
kafira says:
"At least the Aztecs gratefully ATE their victims after religious sacrifice due to starvation caused by massive droughts affecting crops and the resulting protein deprivation in their empire."
You are correct. The Aztecs had a need which dictated a dire response.
"I dare him to justify this latest incident."
Justification has already been given via Allah via Gabriel via Muhammad.
The madness and bloodlust continues because the via stream has never been questioned.
And that "via stream" is tenuous at best.
AH --JUST ONE MORE TIME NOW
> >Do you remember?
> >
> >1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred
by
> >a. Olga Corbitt
> >b. Sitting Bull
> >c. Arnold Schwarzeneger
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
> >a. Lost Norwegians
> >b. Elvis
> >c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
by:
> >a. John Dillinger
> >b. The King of Sweden
> >c. The Boy Scouts
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >4.In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
> >a. A pizza delivery boy
> >b. Pee Wee Herman
> >c. Geraldo Rivera
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year
old
> >American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his
wheelchair
by:
> >a. The Smurfs
> >b. Davy Jones
> >c. The Little Mermaid
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver
trying
> >to rescue passengers was murdered by:
> >a. Captain Kidd
> >b. Charles Lindberg
> >c. Mother Teresa
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
> >a. Scooby Doo
> >b The Tooth Fairy
> >c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
> >a. Richard Simmons
> >b. Grandma Moses
> >c. Michael Jordan
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
> >a. Mr. Rogers
> >b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women
problems
> >c. The World Wrestling Federation
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as
missiles to
> >take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one
crashed
into
> >the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed
> >by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
> >a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
> >b. The Supreme Court of Florida
> >c. Mr. Bean
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
> >a. Enron
> >b. The Lutheran Church
> >c. The NFL
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly ! between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >
> >12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
> >a. Bonnie and Clyde
> >b. Captain Kangaroo
> >c. Billy Graham
> >d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
> >
> >
> >Nope, ........I really don't see a pattern here to justify
profiling, do
you?
> >
> >So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly
fanatics
intent
> >on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed
to
> >profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of
80-year-old
> >women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification,
secret
agents
> >who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old
Congressmen
> >with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former Governors, and
leave
> >Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.
> >
> >
> >Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria
Aldreds
and
> >other dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want
to
> >thwart common sense, feel doubly ashamed of themselves - if
> >they have any such sense.
> >
> >As the writer of the award winning story "Forrest Gump" so aptly put
it,
> >"Stupid is as stupid does"
> >
> >Come on people wake up
> >
> >"The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove again. Nor upon a cold one." Mark Twain
I have seen unspeakable horrors up close and personal, but the video of this act suggests a kind of perverse entertainment. The invitation to view this will therefore be declined.
Frankly, I suspect most people are becoming jaded by this depravity and that it is becoming "normal" in the context of not being the same "front page news" as it was six months ago.
I choose not to view this video because I will not partake with the islamists, in the descecration of these victims which the islamists pigs demand of everyone, even if it is after the fact.
How dare they demand anything of me!
Nothing will be done with these pigs that is substantive enough in my way thinking -- and I will add -- that those who appease these islamists for fear of "offending the x+ billion muslims on this planet" -- are aiding and abetting them.
My condolences to the families of these victims and my prayers such as they are, for those still held.
The beheading of Armstrong does cause a visceral effect, turning one's stomach. Any sane and decent person would react in this manner. However, from me, the jihad-murderers no longer get a reaction of fear, only anger....and resolve.
Armstrong was praying in his last moments. All would if put in that position. And his murderers read. They are hardened to suffering. I would call them rabid dogs, except that doing so would be an insult to the dogs. There is truly no language to label these base killers.
The video should be made available and seen by all so as to demonstrate who and what we are up against. There can be no negotiations with those whose main desire is to destroy us, our culture and ourselves. At this point, all should understand that it's either them or us.
Muslims that reside in the West must repudiate jihad, beheadings, and the call to take over and make all lands Muslims. If they don't, they will be counted among those that are against us.
Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group will meet Allah by a great flash of light. They won't be saved like the Jesuits because God has no use for them.
quick calculation says at 1 kilometer the bulk temperature was in excess of 20,000 to 30,000 degrees F (transients in microseconds greater than 100,000F perhaps as high as 1,000,000 F within 1 kilometer - depends on construction details and you are inside the fireball) and the blast wave would have hit at sonic velocity with pressures on building (at one kiolmeter) greater than 600 psi. and buildings were demolished over a mile from epicenter. The "fireball diameter" is probably on the order of two to four kilometers (depends on certain definitions). No way any human could have survived nor should anything have left been standing at one kilometer. Yet, at about ten to fifteen kilometers I saw the brick walls standing from an elementary school (some phasing due to bomb's pineapple construction) and I think there were a few badly burned survivors at ten to fifteen kilometers (all - except the Jesuits - died within fifteen years of some form of cancer). Also, I think they were Jesuits that were near epicenter and a panorama view from epicenter at Shima Hospital did show some kind of two story house totally intact (at least from what I could make out and it look to me the windows were in place!?). Also there was a church with walls still standing but roof gone a few hundred yards away!? DOD never commented officially on this and I suspect it was classified and never discussed in open literature. I think it is possible the Jesuits were asked not to say anything either at the time.
Part 2.....
The Hiroshima atomic bomb was an airblast burst (i.e., detonated at altitude between 600 yds. to 1000 yds.) as opposed to an atomic ground burst (i.e., designed to crater a certain area – possibly against deeply buried targets). Two of these types of weapons were built and the other was dropped on Nagasaki. The third weapon was larger and intended for a ground blast [Tokyo Harbor?] but was never used on Japan and no target ever identified. The bombing order was against cities not specific military targets. The cities selected were Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, and Nagasaki.
[See http://www.odci.gov/csi/monograph/4253605299/csi9810001.html]
In reviewing the damage patterns and blast characteristics of the Hiroshima blast, it appears this weapon was detonated at a height of 0.6 to 1.0 kilometers [Highest probable fireball diameter is about 1.4 kilometers]. This weapon was detonated at this height to produce the maximum damage area from the fireball (maximum sustained fire/airblast damage from the propagating temperatures and airblast pressures in the shock wave front). However, the epicenter was not the area with the greatest damage since the weapon was designed to “spread the fireball effects” over a wide area. The strongest building [steel reinforced frame] was the Hiroshima Bank building which was gutted inside by fire 250 meters from hypocenter of bomb but its walls remained standing but the window frames were blown away.
The overriding conclusion from my review of the weapon effects at Hiroshima is that this weapon was intentionally designed and deployed to kill or maim as many humans as possible in residential housing (or unprotected outside) over the widest possible area for the weapon’s size (while minimizing radiation effects from contaminated debris being thrown up into atmosphere). Since much of the Hiroshima industrial capacity was also located in unreinforced brick structures this type of airblast would also destroy any unreinforced masonry or brick buildings. One of the most flammable items on a person is their hair and clothing.
Much of the clothing at this time was cotton (or blended cotton) which would be considered highly flammable. I suddenly came to the realization that the intent of propagating a fireball at this height was to be able to set fire to a person’s clothing (and all types of fabrics) at relatively long distances from the blast’s epicenter. The airblast would be felt for miles (blowing out windows and damaging most all structures by cracking the walls) and terrorize the remaining population. Hence, the description by those who survived of seeing burned bodies everywhere (or charred skeletons) and skin that was shredded into strips is consistent with the bombing order to hit a populated city in the center without specific regard to military objectives [See Remarks - located four paragraphs below].
It appears the Jesuits (at one kilometer from the geometric epicenter) had greater than 90% probability of being outside the atomic bomb’s “plasma” since it was an airburst but they were on the “hairy edge”. Depending on the actual height of detonation, the Jesuits must have had the edge of the fireball literally outside their window. Assuming they were just outside of the plasma, their residence should still have been utterly destroyed (temp > 2000 F and airblast pressures > 100 psi). In contrast, unreinforced masonry or brick walls (representative of commercial construction) are destroyed at 3 psi, which will also cause ear damage and burst windows. At ten psi, a human will experience severe lung and heart damage, burst eardrums and at 20 psi your limbs can be blown off. Your head will be blown off by 40 psi and no residential or unreinforced commercial construction would be left standing. At 80 psi even reinforced concrete is heavily damaged and no human would be alive because your skull would be crushed All the cotton clothes would be on fire at 350 F (probably at 275F) and your lungs would be inoperative within a minute breathing air (even for a few seconds) at these temperatures.
Conclusion: There are no physical laws to explain why the Jesuits were untouched in the Hiroshima airblast. There is no other actual or test data where a structure such as this was not totally destroyed at this standoff distance by an atomic weapon. All who were at this range from the epicenter should have received enough radiation to be dead within at most a matter of minutes if nothing else happened to them. There is no known way to design a uranium-235 atomic bomb, which could leave such a large discrete area intact while destroying everything around it immediately outside the fireball (by shaping the plasma).
From a scientific viewpoint, what happened to those Jesuits at Hiroshima still defies all human logic from the laws of physics as understood today (or at any time in the future). It must be concluded that some other (external) force was present whose power and/or capability to transform energy and matter as it relates to humans is beyond current comprehension. >From the standpoint of the current universal “string” theory in physics (relating atomic scale effects to macroscopic world)
it suggests that the physical “strings” (i.e., bodies) of the Jesuits and the “energy strings” representing the house’s physical matter) were either transformed at the moment of the blast into an opposing energy field (to cancel the weapon effects and then transformed back on a time scale totally imperceptible to humans) or an enormous external force field was present which precisely cancelled the weapon’s effects over the totally irregular geometry of the residential house including protecting the occupants. Either way it is a plausibility argument for the existence of a Creator who left his “calling card” at Hiroshima.
I hope all God's people would be saved otherwise.
hey prophet2004 your a nut
they thought Jesus was a nut too?
What do you expect from mindless zombie thugs?
One of the best things you can do, and I do it each and every chance I get, is to link all of islam with these atrocities. Have a long list (which isn’t too hard to obtain) of muslim atrocities and show it to everyone you can. Whenever someone says something like “but I have heard that Islam is a religion of peace”, have your FAQ ready. Tell them the truth. Always and everywhere link these thugs to Islam, that is what they want, so let them have it. Within a few short years whenever the average person thinks of islam/muslims, he or she will think “head-chopping killers”. When they go to vote they will think it. When they see a muslim owned business they will think it. When they see a new mosque go up in the neighborhood they will think it.
And after thoughts come action.
Thank you for the video site.
Allah eh.
The arab world, the moslem world, should be inundated with those images. They should face their own culture, the heights they have risen to with 1300 years of the quoran, a testament from the megalomaniac m.
After viewing the video, I read the nuke post and had a fantasy about dropping the H Bomb on Islamic Countries the world over.
The Muslims are always crying victim, so lets give them what they really want.... Death and really being victims.
Melt their skin off while they stand and look at the 1000 points of light. Get them Bush
I don’t see how this will end anytime soon. What will it take for us to kick butt wholesale?
it didnt take that much to invade Tripoli (Lebanon) 1805-1815.
No Islam, Know Peace
"melt there skin off"
wow what a nice person....
We all want these islamo-fascists dead...No one here wants these barbarian head hunters to grow in numbers here. I don't want them in the west... I want to see these theofascist psychopaths stuffed in a museum along with the dinosaurs in an exhibit so I can educate my grandchildren about the islamist 21st century darkages as a history lesson...not as a documentary about the present.. I wish they would all jump in their barbarian cooking pots and eat themselves...but I guess the best we can hope for is to see them atomized...now that is something i would be prepared to watch...just to make sure they are dead...not to gloat. I always beleived as a child that the 21st century would be a enlightened golden age...instead almost all that i see in the news these days is cretinous 7th century dark age pschopathic moral pygmies trying to completely barbarise the whole earth. Why can't we just round up these islamo-fascist savages behind a giant wall and forget about them. Why don't we do what the Israeli's do...then these people of peace can live in their perfect 7th century paradise where everyhting modern is non-existant. They can be happy living without toilet paper and dying of ever preventable disease known to man and cutting each others heads off for entertainment... we all know they can't produce anything modern... they import the whole lot from the west. Give them what they want...a giant walled off year-zero hell-hole. Let them cut their own heads off since that is what they so love doing. And then we can forget about them forever except when we go to the museum to see them as a curio to laugh at.
All the beheadings are still available to watch on demand. Many in the Islamic world are pleased to see Westerners getting their heads knifed off & their beloved Sharia law & Koran in practice. What Muslim extremists do not weigh, is the increasing level of damage to the credibility of Islam & the 7th Century Koran, especially in Western countries. Islam is exposed. The world's governments are taking notice. Makes it tough for backward Muslims to recruit Westerners into their sick reality. Islam must die.
The war on terror is becoming the war on Islam.
Watch the video!
See what these people want to do to you! Of course, beyond flying planes into our buildings.
I caught channel 7 (ABC, post Monday Night Football) showing their piece on the Armstrong beheading, they had the gall to show the poor man, kneeling before these islamist fucks, at his life's most weakest moment, but not the courage to show his death.
When the Beslan attacks arrive in America people will wake up, maybe Kerry himself, and it will be the ultimate demise of the wretched muslims.
E Pluribus Unum
Not the other way around.
Bye mohammed….
resister what are you some 14 year old with the same tired lacking of any mental thought conclusion that we must drop a a-bomb on the middle east?
you know its funny almost all comments sections on various boards somehow degenerate to the "nuke em" factor which is a nonsolution.
resister what are you some 14 year old with the same tired lacking of any mental thought conclusion that we must drop a a-bomb on the middle east?
you know its funny almost all comments sections on various boards somehow degenerate to the "nuke em" factor which is a nonsolution.
I started to go and look at the video, I have seen the Berg and Johnson videos, and then I thought to myself,"No, I will not allow them to bring this horror into my home."
I agree there are far too many people out there that still do not understand what this war is really all about and probably do need shock therapy to fully grasp it, but I couldn't help but think about something I heard on the news back when Nick Berg was killed.
And that was how many hits the website got. It was on the BBC and on CNN, which means it was pretty much broadcast everywhere, which means these groups know that this is a way to bring the horror directly to us.
I couldn't help but wonder, what if nobody watched? Would it still be a viable form of terrorism for them?
In other words, would this show still be going on if there was no audience?
Now, I'm not saying ignore whats taken place over there and we should be outraged, hard hearted, but for me personally, I refuse to give them the pleasure of knowing that they were able to enter my sanctuary. I won't let them have that victory.
On another thread some posters were feeling frustrated about how to reach those people around them that refuse to wake up, don't give up.
The best thing to do is go to the actual websites of these groups, print what it is they have on there and give it to those people, write down the address of all the church's in your area, mail them copies, mail copies to your local newspaper and radio stations.
I'm sure I make people fairly sick of me, but it is a proactive step we can all take and I have noticed that more and more people are starting to ask questions and thats the first step to getting them to open their minds.
Off my soapbox now.............................
I have the same debate with myself, susan_b. On the one hand I do not want to give these sick pukes the satisfaction of looking at their deeds. On the other hand I don't believe we should ignore the true, bloody, very real, very personal affront and horror these pukes cause. The left-aligned media does its best to sanitize Islamic horror, and much of the West is still oblivious to the reality, still believing Islam is misunderstood and being hijacked and perverted. So to ignore it, is to aligned yourself with the sanitizers and filterers of Islam, with the lie.
I don't ignore it by any means. After seeing the Berg beheading, I've got that in my mind forever and a cold, cold heart to go with it.
It's a hard internal debate. On 1 side I feel the truth has to be told in all it's grusomness for people to really understand, on the other side, I just can't help but wonder if by the numbers getting posted on how many hits these video's get, isn't also fueling the fire.
But, after I wrote my first reply, I had to think back to Bosnia, and the Muslim's there were beheading the Serbs as fast as they could.
It wasn't shown or talked about and in the end, because the general public really didn't know the truth, we bombed the wrong side. Most Americans thought we did a great thing by saving the Muslims because it wasn't until years later that the truth of the situation came out.
Each person will have to think about what they want to do, I personally just can't look at the site of another decent person getting slaughtered.
More peaceful muslims hacking off the heads of innocent civilians while screaming "allahu akbar!!!"
Agree with Baltic Babe, this kind of thing needs to be seen by the public, just as the full gory details of Beslan needed to be read by them.
It paints a perfect picture of the civilized people of the west being murdered by the hostile savage pig-people of the middle east.
if i was prez---
1.withdraw troops
2.drop a-bomb
3.return to Iraq to pave parking lot
Posted by: resister at September 21, 2004 01:04 AM
Resister for prez!!!
PS-Can you add :
4. Deport all muslims to the shahara desert, and any liberals, including john kerry, who object to it with them.
If so you'll go down in history as the next George Washington.
Riboflavin,
Many on this "board" have made supremely unbias efforts to see things from a muslim perspective, but all we ever see from them is absurd, unreasonable demands, hostility to all others, insanity, and deceit (which manages to fool a large percentage of westerners matey, but we're a little too in the know now for any of that crap).
Are you really so surprised that, with our natural human instincts for survival fully aligned, and with such a babaric medieval cult sweeping the globe, almost unchallenged, that we are reacting this way.
These savages threaten the very way of life we're used too, and I for one am not willing to see that sacrificed for the sake of being PC.
If you don't like it, theres always "theleftcoaster" where I'm sure your agnostic values will be welcomed earnestly, but here, now..... well I'd start working out whose side you're on.
The beheadings seem to keep going on, we are sickened and then move on till the next one. It is time perhaps to play their game, of course we cannot kidnap innocent people like they do, we are not gutless savages....in addition killing them like they do us wont do much good, they will call those killed 'martyrs' and glorify them....Christian people are promised everlasting life with a kind and loving God...muslims on the other hand are promised a whorehouse full of virgins and little boys for their pleasure...with a promise like that made to "men" who are obvioulsy perverts with no self control in this life , actually look forward to death, believing this sick story of an x rated paradise...they see death as the beginning of their life. The key is the mosques...they care more about those stupid buildings than they do their own children, the hostage takers should be told that for each American hostage killed 100 mosques on US soil will be bulldozed, and that of course will slow the intended progression of islam in America...yes I realize that this in reality isnt possible, but the govt is going to have to come up with something, dont think that that kind of sick horror wont ever reach the western shores...for now its 'over there' but how soon before out children are taken hostage, before innocent people are grabbed off the street and beheaded 'over here'....the last thing the sick perverts said before killing that innocent man was that they are carrying out "gods law" (yes that was even reported on CNN of all places, the reporter even kept using 'islamic' when refering to the hostage takers...I was really surprised) how can muslims defend against this..."gods law",they say the terrorists 'are not muslim', but they of course are the true muslims and they both worship the fake "allah"....or is there more than one fake god named allah...
All,
I know you will all vent your anger on me as a muslim but can I say what an inhuman and ungodly thing this is. My condelances to his family.
If these barbarians do this in the name of Islam...then Islam needs to be looked at, a global body that has ONE intepretation for the Koran, this is a problem that the muslims themselves must face.
The nobodies must be dealt with, unfortunately, G. Bush has become the best recruiting Seargent for these terrorist nobodies.
However, these nobodies have the will to continue for ever...and they cannot be eliminated totally, so perhaps Presidential candidate Senator Kerry is right.....leave them to their own devices and leave Iraq after the election....taking all drivers, cooks for their own safety.
America will have to defend itself as best as it can ...from America, at least the causalties will be minimised.
In light of what has happened today, I looked at Islam internally today and I asked myself:
Is religion good, or bad for the society? In my opinion, religion, if understood properly, yields the best results. Early history of Islam is a good example, where Muslims contributed heavily in the fields of medicine, mathematics, engineering, and more.
Second best alternative is secularism, which is quite visible in the present-day western societies.
The alternative is to incorrectly interpret religion, mix it with politics, and shove it down people’s throats. Recent world events attest to this disaster.
A Muslim constantly refers to Quranic verses, ahadith, and sunnah to draw guidance or to justify his acts in social, political, medical, jurisprudence, scientific, commercial matters.
There is nothing wrong with this, but it is critical that scripture be correctly understood. Otherwise it becomes basis for absurdities, incorrect interpretation, and violence.
No doubt, a lot of muslims badly wish to go back to the “golden era" of medieval Islam” -- when every aspect of life was run by Quranic verses, hadith and Sunnah -- and claim the unclaimable -- that by going backward Muslims can go forward.
Yet in some ways, we are not so different from those rightwing orthodox Christians:
"Christian groups in the western world that strictly follow the Bible are also severely backward and regressive in their thinking, even nowadays. These groups include the KKK, the anti-abortion activists known for bombing clinics and attempting to murder doctors, the “white militia” involved in Oklahoma City bombing (“Timothy McVeigh” group), the “religious right” known for its xenophobia and segregationist politics."
As to the remedy …"In the western world, besides a small segment of the population, mainstream population does not view Bible as having any significance in their lives"".
That's how the West climbed out of their religious morass -- 100 years ago -- and this is exactly how the Muslims have to climb out of the dungeon of despair that they find themselves in --today.
We Muslims are "only" 100 years behind the West in understanding the dangers of mixing religion with politics and State. We have to remove Islam from the affairs of State -- NOT carry Islam in our sleeves -– NOT to threaten the world with Jihad.
The question is – do we (the West as well as us) have to bring Islam in every aspect of our lives? ……do we have to name -- every dictator Islamic -– every power grabber Islamic -- every Constitution Islamic -- every country Islamic -- every politician Islamic -- every political party Islamic – every army Islamic – every war Islamic -- every bomb Islamic – every missile Islamic –– every police Islamic -- every criminal Islamic -- every school Islamic – every teacher Islamic -- every medicine Islamic – every doctor Islamic – every science Islamic – every scientist Islamic – every bank Islamic -- every banking system Islamic -- -- every lawyer Islamic -- every law Islamic –- every clothing Islamic – every scarf Islamic – every burlap bag over a woman's head Islamic -- every food Islamic -- every burp Islamic –- every sneeze Islamic – Islamic – Islamic.
We even have the West doing it too except it is related to the “terror” record.
The fact is that we need to make our Islam an item of private and personal choice -- secularize it and confine it inside our hearts and masjids -– and NOT mix it with our political, governmental, judicial, military and economic lives.
The bottom line…this is gonna take time, ….decades… does Islam or equally importantly the West have the time…before we destroy each other????
Naseem,
When you talk like that I have a lot more respect for you, hopefully you are on the verge of becoming an apostate.
At last a muslim who will actually admit that islam needs reform on a global scale.
However, on many occasions you have proven to be little more than a taqiyya practition, by adding contradictive posts to ones that declare such as the one above.
I apologise for my behavior the other day Naseem, truly, but you must understand, we see you as a threat ;"moderates" included, and the group that I am part of in the UK will make no such distinctions.So before the great jihad for the eurabia-caliphate begins work out where your loyalties lie, because if you're not with us your against us, and all the cries of "moderation" in the world will not save you.
Have just seen the video on North Eastern Intelligience! HORRENDOUS..Those f****** Butchers made that poor old man suffer excruciating agony
right to the last gasp. Let us throw out these savages from our countries with their stinking Blood soaked Deity, violence and cruelty. A MESSAGE SHOULD BE SENT TO ZARQAWI - NEXT HOSTAGE
THAT GETS MURDERED, MECCA AND MEDINA WILL BE BOMBED INTO THE GROUND!!
Rikki:
Taqiyya is always in effect.
This is the same Naseem that a few days ago threatened that islam would take over Britain and that native Brits would be placed on "reservations."
CGW,
I'm buttering her up mate.
She's been invited to my house for tea and biscuits.
Me and my friends want to "speak" to her and hers.
It appears that the hostages are being held and beheaded in the hopes of the release two Iraqi female scientists that could aid the terror-murderers...
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=908
Posted by: obl r us at September 21, 2004 01:07 AM
Because these MONSTERS DON'T STAY IN THEIR FENCE!
It is like a dog who jumps the fence and kills the chickens? The only thing to do is kill the Dog!
I don't call what the Israelis are doing as winning the bmbers kill many and the Israelis have their hands tied behind their backe like poor Mr. Armstrong and all the others who have been caught by these MONSTERS
the World wants for this to go away like they did in the 1700s and they paid the dimmi tax so they could stop the raids in the Med.
Well that didn't work and War insued and the world got it's nerve from the USA and finnaly stopped the Tax because the USA said no more after it war of 1812
Well once again the USA is saying no more!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Kill ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat Amen
Riboflavin:
Why should I not get mad at seeing what Islam is truly about? The Muslims are not looking for anything but to make Islam the ONLY world religion. Why is it bad for me to hate that?
Islam is not just a religion but it is also a form of government. That is why it has not place in this or any free country.
Why cant they fight a typical war, ( because they would and will lose ) why do they only behead unarmed civilians. This is why my hate runs very deep for Islam. To hate something bad is good.
They say they only hate our government, but they only attack civilians. Now someone should explain that this is a republic we are the government. So if you talk bad about our government you talk bad about US.
It will take more than a 3rd grade education to figure it out. I don’t think the terrorist will figure it out.
catherine you keep saying that israels hands are tied and they need to take off the gloves or something like that? well what is taking off the gloves massive ethnic cleansing? genocide?
if this is your thinking them you are a really scary person.
America will have to defend itself as best as it can ...from America, at least the causalties will be minimised.
Posted by: Naseem at September 21, 2004 08:53 AM
DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THE USA WE HAVE CITIZANS ARMED AND DRANGOURS!
YOU LITTLE PACK DOG WOMAN!
YESS YOU WHO WHO FOLLOW YELLOW MONSTERS?
It will be islamic causalties who support ISLAMIC TERORIST!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and All who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Kill ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to See their Threat and have the Balls to stand and Fight Amen
catherine you keep saying that israels hands are tied and they need to take off the gloves or something like that? well what is taking off the gloves massive ethnic cleansing? genocide?
if this is your thinking them you are a really scary person.
Posted by: riboflavin at September 21, 2004 01:19 PM
YEA YO BET!! & THE TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT!!
I SEE THINGS REAL SIMPLE WHAT IS GOING ON IS KILL OR BE KILLED WELL I PICK KILL AND TO THIS GAME YOU ARE PLAYING WE WILL PLAY AN AWAY GAME NOT A HOME GAME!
THIS IS WAR NOT PICK UP STICKS!
YOU MUSSI HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH GENICIDE LOOK AT WHAT SADDAM DID TO HIS OWN PEOPLE 300,000 DEAD LOOK AT WHAT YOU MUSSI'S ARE DOING IN THE SUDAN OVER 30,000 DEAD WHY? CAUSE THEY DON'T SPEAK ARABIC?
3000 DEAD IN THE USA BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS?
RUSSIA HAW MANY CHILDREN KILLED AND RAPED IN THE NAME OF ISLAM?
SAUDIA A. HAS NO PROBLEM KILLING THREATS AGAINST THEM SO I HAVE TO WONDER WHY THEY DID NOT KILL THE YELLOW COWARD UBL BUT SENT HIM ON THE WORLD?
CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH NAMES STICKS AND STONES CAN BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES CAN NEVER HURT ME!!
I THINK OF THE STORY OF DAVID AND HOW HE KILLED THE BULLY AND GAINED A KINGDOM!
I SEE YOU AND YOUR KIND AS NOTHING BUT BULLY'S THAT NEED TO BE KILLED BEFORE YOU CAN DESTORY MANKIND!!
YOU BOOK THE QURAN 5:32 SAYS THOSE WHO SAVE A LIFE IS AS IF THEY HAVE SAVED ALL MANKIND!
BUT THE FRIST PART OF 5:32 SAYS THOSE WHO KILL JEWS ARE AS IF THE KILL ALL MANKIND
YOU SEAM TO BE THE ONES HELPPING TO TRY TO DESTORY ALL MANKIND?
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom and Courage to stay the course to Kill ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Eyes of the World to their Threat and give them Balls to Fight against them Amen
I've just see the video clip and I did not think that after the Nepalese men I could see anything worse - how wrong was I? These are barbaric, sub - human neanderthals (spelling) they are not and should not be considered human. I've not been an advocate of the MOAB or mini - nuke but these creatures are winning me over. I just pray that the British SAS get to them before they have a chance to do this to another hostage - because if the SAS do get to them, Zarqawi will be in a world of shit, these boys wont waste a bullet on him, he will really need his "god"
How can something like this be done in the name of ANY religion, or faith?
riboflavin
You have used the words,
massive ethnic cleansing? genocide?
This is what Muslims have done to Christians for 1000 years, I guess YOU DON’T CARE because they are Christians..
riboflavin, Do you stand for the rights of everyone BUT CHRISTIANS?
Ribo, are you guilty of hating Christians?
Can I get a response from you ribo?
I am a bit fatigued today so my comment may seem a bit harsh. I have a hard time thinking about loss of those not involved in a given activity, however I am thinking that the time for political correctness has ended and we need to make Iraq into a large sandbox. Perhaps to develop Disneyland Middle East?
If we could get the women and children out first, that would be preferable. But, who is the enemy? Reminds me of stories my step-dad told about his time "in country" during Viet Nam. There was no glory in having to kill women or children walking up to you loaded with grenades.
Naseem says:
"America will have to defend itself as best as it can. . ."
It will, Naseem, it will.
America is patient, and it's leaders are having great difficulty in believing that any system calling itself a "religion" can possibly be so evil, but little by little, they are beginning to get the picture.
This is an "us or them" situation, and with a few more massacres of people in their work place, murders of audiences in theaters, slaughters of children in schools, blowing to bits passengers in planes and trains, and brutal butcheries of individuals, they will understand this truth, and the planet's only hope for peace, the elimination of Islam, will take place.
So Naseem, Islam will pay the price for its thoughts and behavior, inasmuch as they are inconsistent with the demands of reality.
To paraphrase Cato the Censor, "Islamia delenda est."
Reality always wins in the end, Naseem. Think about it.
Naseem,
Regretably, your Mr.M., was a truly nasty piece of work.
He slaughtered, he ordered slaughter, he justified slaughter.
To emulate him is to be evil.
NOT YOU, NASEEM.
Nor, really, most moslems, whatever they think.
Those who behead are following his lead. They are the true moslems Naseem.
You, and most other muslems, must look elsewhere for moral and spiritual guidance.
Mr. M. is, thank god, dead, his legacy must lose its legitimacy, it is unworthy of you, of any of us.
This is the true religion/race of Islam Remember,this is the religion/race of islamic terror in action. http://www.ogrish.com.
Muslims should remember these words "what you do to the least of my brothers you do it to me." God have mercy on your souls.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the atomic ayatollahs
created their own destruction with their own Islamic WMD.
Bar,
Riboflavin is just a troll. Both you and I have given him rational and sensible answers and statements, and he has refused to acknowledge them with a response, and, to further prove his ignorance, has been asking them same questions over and over again on numerous boards, but showing no sign that he has received answers to them.
Aside from that he's Antagonizing Catherine, because he knows he'll get a massive response.
Morons like him are best ignored, that goes for you too Catherine -"Don't feed the troll"!!!
Well said.... Rikki
I agree...
hey prophet2004 your a nut
Posted by: riboflavin at September 20, 2004 10:30 PM
"melt there skin off"
wow what a nice person....
Posted by: riboflavin at September 21, 2004 12:10 AM
catherine you keep saying that israels hands are tied and they need to take off the gloves or something like that? well what is taking off the gloves massive ethnic cleansing? genocide?
if this is your thinking them you are a really scary person.
Posted by: riboflavin at September 21, 2004 01:19 PM
This is the true religion/race of Islam Remember,this is the religion/race of islamic terror in action. http://www.ogrish.com.
riboflavin what are YOU?