Among other things that this tells us, it shows that he is alive. No other statement since shortly after 9/11 had Osama on video talking about any contemporary events.
Also, will this finally silence all the corrosive drivel about how the CIA and/or Mossad pulled off 9/11?
From AP:
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden, reading a statement to the American people in a new videotape aired Friday, directly admitted for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks and said "the best way to avoid another Manhattan" was to stop threatening Muslims' security.
This is, of course, what certain American and European analysts have been saying since 9/11: if we just stop bothering them, all this will go away. But this founders on history. Before Iraq, before Afghanistan, before the founding of Israel, before the founding of the USA, there was still jihad. If Osama didn't have the grievances he trots out, he would have others: they are mere pretexts, as changeable as stage sets. Jihadists like to point to the abolition of the caliphate in 1924 as the source of all their woes and the cause of their struggle today -- but there were other jihads, and other pretexts, long before 1924.
I think this point may be one of the most difficult of all for Americans to grasp.
It was the first footage of the al-Qaida leader to surface in more than a year. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera, showed bin Laden with a long gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak reading from papers in front of a plain, brown curtain....There was no way to determine when the tape was made, although it did refer to next week's presidential elections in the United States.
"We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said, referring to the World Trade Center.
"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.
He accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people since the 2001 suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.
"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.
"We fought you because we are free .. and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours."
I am not a Wilsonian. I do not think that every human heart harbors a natural longing for democracy. I would be inclined to tell him, sure, freedom for your nation. Run your nation according to your own devices, and may God help you. But many in your nation have the idea that they should make war against those in my nation who resist the imposition of your idea of the ideal system of government. As Sayyid Qutb said, "The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah [the government and society of unbelievers] from the leadership of man." And to do so, he makes clear, by force. That is not a prescription for peaceful coexistence; no doubt many Westerners will think that that is what Osama is offering, but it isn't.
UPDATE: Drudge has a full transcript.
Does anyone know where I can get the translation of the entire statement? Also, does anyone know of a website that collects full and complete Islamic Jihad statements?
I believe the release of this tape helps Bush.
Moose
We can not let this sway us from what we have to do. Appeasement has never worked, it has only prolonged the agony. I am afraid that there will be a call from the uninformed masses for withdrawal and false peace, you notice how dhimmitude hasn't helped Spain stay out of the crosshairs of the ROP.
Blah blah blah...
Dick Morris,a political commentator, says this UBL message virtually guarantees a Bush victory because it puts Terror in the forefront instead of domestic isssues.
here kitty here kitty!!
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Sounds like Bin Laden's having trouble recruiting jihadists and/or keeping them alive. Who would have thunk it? He wants freedom too! Freedom to regroup, that is.
I submitted a comment right after Catherine's here kitty post. Can you tell me what happened. It was up a minute ago?
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"Terror" finally has a face again. Of course we know that the jihad will go on regardless of the election and regardless of our decisions in Iraq. It it's not Iraq, they will have another complaint, they always have and they always will. The jihad will go on until we find ourselves humiliated and subdued as all good Islamists demand.
Forget it. We will do what we must and remain steadfast in our quest to rid the world of this scourge.
Dear Cross:
Your comment was full of profanity and obscenity, and I happened to see it, so I deleted it.
Please tone the language down and post away.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Folks have surely forgetten, but Saddam Hussein's Iraq responded to 9/11 in just the same way: 9/11 was a result of US policy and Americans got what they deserved.
It is difficult to fathom that so many hundreds of millions (over a billion would not surprise me) come to that same conclusion, Muslims, Europeans) And along with it so many other senseless things:
And Israel is the greatest threat to world peace.
And Oil for Food and Sanctions was US sponsored genocide.
And Palestinian poverty is caused by the racist Israelis.
And, and...
A litany of idiocy that leads the world to a conflagration.
If only Islam were a peaceful religion with tenents consistent with democratic principles and Western conceptions of human rights.
If only jihad were an internal struggle.
If only the Israelis were the Palestinians' real problem.
If only money were the solution to the problems of Muslims.
Then, we could appeal to Islamic democratic principles and human rights to convince Muslims that terrorism is immoral, and millions would set off on a personal spiritual struggle, and Israel's 'unilateral oppresive policies' could be overcome with democratic institutions guided by a basically 'liberal' populace (Jews and Jewish political views are generally very liberal...always have been) and the trillions in oil revenues that have gone to Arab states would create new industries, high levels of education, jobs, products, and scientific discoveries.
Instead we get Bin Laden again, singing the same song, 'America is to blame', and millions believe him.
Dear Robert,
My apology. Does this have anything to do with my discourse last night with RevBenny?
I can post without offensive swear words if those are the rules, I just thought that I had a right online to express myself in my own style.
Thx
Dear Cross:
I didn't see your discourse last night with RevBenny.
Comments are generally unmoderated. However, I do not welcome comments that advise killing all Muslims, nuking Mecca, etc. I know you didn't say anything like that. But I'd also appreciate it if you kept the language free of profanity and vulgarity.
We are locked in a great struggle for the rights and dignity of all people, and I would like to see posters keeping that in mind and refraining from giving our opponents in this struggle any ammunition they can use to try to discredit us.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden, reading a statement to the American people in a new videotape aired Friday, directly admitted for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks and said "the best way to avoid another Manhattan" was to stop threatening Muslims' security.
what is the Threat from who??
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’
Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”
Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’”
Qur’an 59:14 “The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous punishment.”
WELL WE HAVE UNITED AND ARE GOING AFTER THEM??
THE Z MAN MADE HIM COME OUT SO HE COULD GET THEM TO FOLLOW THE YELLOW COWARD
Ishaq:437 “The Apostle ordered them to prepare for war and to march against them. Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted, ‘Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?’”
Qur’an 59:5 “The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah’s dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors.”
EVEN THE SARRIA CLUB IS AGAINST THAT!!
Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, ‘What do you think will be done to us?’ Someone said, ‘Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!’ The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all.”
WE HAVE SEEN THIS AND ARE SEEING IT FRIST HAND BY THESE MONSTERS BRING THE AIR POWER BOYS WE HAVE A HOLE IN NYC //YEA DOES KERRYS TERRORISM IS JUST A NUSANCE MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER??
THEN THERE IS THIS
ALL FROM THE BOOKS OF WHAT UBL BELIEVES AND TEACHES AND DOES??
Ishaq:461 “Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became too severe, Allah terrorized them. After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka’b Asad. He said, ‘Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.’ He said, ‘Swear allegiance to Muhammad and accept him; for it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.’” Tabari VIII:30 “The Jews said, ‘We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur’an.’ Asad said, ‘Since you reject this proposal, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.’ The Jews replied, ‘Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?’”
AND REMEMBER HE THINKS THE SAME OF ALL NON-MULSUMS??
Tabari VIII:38 “The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism.”
Ishaq:466 “The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was Rayhanah. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said, ‘Leave me under your power, for that will be easier. She showed a repugnance towards Islam when she was captured.”
RULES ARE DIFFERENT FOR HIM??
Qur’an 22:52 “Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some vanity into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in.”
Qur’an 5:86 “Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations —they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire.”
Tabari IX:78 “No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque, and no one shall circumambulate Allah’s House naked.”
Ishaq:246 “Hypocrites used to assemble in the mosque and listen to the stories of the Muslims and laugh and scoff at their religion. So Muhammad ordered that they should be ejected. They were thrown out with great violence. Abu went to Amr, took his foot and dragged him out of the mosque. Another Muslim slapped a man’s face while dragging him forcefully, knocking him down. One was pulled violently by his hair. ‘Don’t come near the Apostle’s mosque again, for you are unclean.’ The first hundred verses of the Cow surah came down in reference to these Jewish rabbis and Hypocrites.”
Ishaq:262 “Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur’an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 2:191 “Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter.”
Qur’an 33:25 “Allah drove the disbelievers back...and helped the believers in battle.... He terrorized the People of the Book so that you killed some and made many captive.”
Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
JUST HEARD SOME GUY ON MSMBC SAY ubl DIDN'T REALLY CALL FOR BLOOD EXCEPT WHEN HE CALLED FOR BLOOD IN THE STREETS OF THE USA
WHAT A DUMB PRESS MAN?? DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE READS???
BACK TO THE MUSSIS BELIEVE ubl HAS CALLED ON MUSSIS IN THE USA TO STREET FIGHT AMERICANS??
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
Qur’an 4:142 “Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them.”
Bukhari:V7B71N661 “Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact, he had not done.”
Bukhari:V6B60N8 “Umar said, ‘Our best Qur’an reciter is Ubai. And in spite of this, we leave out some of his statements because Allah’s Apostle himself said, “Whatever verse or revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten We bring a better one.”
DO YOU THINK THIS MIGHT KNOCK SCOOT PETERSON OFF THE TV??
NO FREEDOM, NO CHOICE:
Qur’an 3:19 “Lo! religion with Allah (is) Surrender.”
Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path.”
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
YEP THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEIR BOOK TEACHES THEY ARE LIKE HITLER EVEN HEARD SHEEFER SAY THIS ON LARRY KING LIVE WAS SCHOCKED THAT THE OLD MAN GETTS IT??
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
NOW AGAIN WHAT IS A NON BELIVER? BACK UP TO THE TOP INCASE YOU FORGOT??
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
THESE ARE SOME SICK FU-KS DO NOT BE FOOLED!!
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Dear Robert,
I usually am careful to compose my thoughts in a manner that is not degrading or offensive to a reader. Also, to be as accurate as possible with the facts. I suppose my zealousy in regard to the latest Bin Laden news may have gotten the better of my emotions this time. I'll try to keep it toned down in the future.
Thanks again,
Cross
"Also, will this finally silence all the corrosive drivel about how the CIA and/or Mossad pulled off 9/11?"
If anybody here can explain to me why WTC 7 collapsed then you'll make a believer out of me. The buildling wasn't even hit by a plane, there were two small fires on 7th and 12th floors, the owner took a new insurance premium out six weeks before the attack, and the owner, Larry Silverstein, said on a PBS documentary entitled "America Rebuilds," that "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." Pulling it of course means having a controlled demolition. Wouldn't it take days or weeks to properly place detonation charges in a 47 story modern steel building? Or did they magically do it within a matter of hours.
Here's what FEMA had to say.
"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue."
Certainly if the collapse was caused by fires then we should've just investigated the metal. right? Well not if they destroyed the evidence at the crime scene.
Bill Manning, editor of the 125 year old Fire Engineering Magazine, wrote in an article condemning the operation:
"Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately."
Why not investigate the greatest crime ever committed on american soil properly?
My previous post, in essence for what's it's worth, edited for your viewing pleasure.
Well well well, lookie what crawled out from the bowels of hel*,...... looking haggard and worn down. What a wasted life this ***** led, hating and killing Gods people. When he dies God will judge him and send him to hel*.
This scardey ***** hates Bush because Bush sent his smelly dirty *** running and hiding. He now comes out and has the gall to admonish the American people....................................
............................................ Bin Laden and the followers of jihad are are the road to destruction. For the security of the people that Bin Laden claims to represent he and his followers need to be the ones to back off.........................
............................
Something to this effect.
Someone reading the posts from the beginning may have wonderered what the controversial offensive post was, so now are'nt you glad you know.
Sorry to be such an ***.
Thx
Osama Bin Laden owns it like a nat on a camels hump
He reminds me of Baghdad Bob the Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf
From http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad."
"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
"Be assured. Baghdad is safe, protected"
"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a whole country? Who is really under siege now? Baghdad cannot be besieged. Al-Nasiriyah cannot be besieged. Basra cannot be besieged."
"They are nowhere near Baghdad. Their allegations are a cover-up for their failure"
"Yes, the american troops have advanced further. This will only make it easier for us to defeat them"
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place"
"We are winning!"
From the post: "There was no way to know when the tape was made"...
Since he refers to Kerry it would at least have had to be made since the time Kerry was nominated, so it has to be some what recent.I haven't seen the tape so I have no perspective on the full content. In the past a Binnie tape was usually followed by some devastating violence. As I recall the Madrid episode occurred three days before their election. I'm not suggesting something is necessarily going to happen here as it could be that our security measures have been such that a tape is the best he can do at the moment. As our election draws nearer I think as a nation we all would do well to stay more alert and watchful for any kind of suspicious activity where large crowds are gathered. A repeat of Madrid in one of our own subway systems may not be that difficult to pull off after all, and two or three psychopathes with backpacks full of c-4 in a place like Mall of America would sure as hell ruin a lot of peoples day.
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Little calm for the storm!!
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
From what I am hearing from the translation I'd make sure you are locked and loaded although I'dont think he has enough here to do what he thinks he can But I'm Just a Redneck??
I see the Liar, 'truthseeker' has shown up again. Clearly a Troll.
I believe the release of this tape helps Bush.
Moose
I hope so but it could have the opposite effect, as in Spain. There are already millions of ignorant Americans who don't think there is any terror threat, or that we have invited terror attacks by invading Iraq. I hope this does not produce the desired results----the election of Kerry. There are plenty of Americans with the same mentality as the Spaniards; peace at any cost.
Such obvious politicking by Bin Laden is endangering the 501(c)(3) status of all those Muslim charities that, one way or the other, funnel money to the cause. Apparently he is unfamiliar with the Code & Regs. Who will send him a copy?
Bar
I like this q?
After hearing some numbers yesterday? what was it 100,000 to 1000 I like those odds!!
USA,USA,USA,USA,USA
"Don't believe anything! We will chase the rascals back to London!"
"We're now trying to exhaust them, until our leadership decides the time and method to clean our territory of their desecration."
"Those are mercenaries. Most probably they will be treated as mercenaries, hirelings and as war criminals. ... For sure, international law does not apply to those"
Bush "knows that he is standing in quicksand when it comes to his baseless talk on Iraq"
"This criminal (Bush) in the White House is a stupid criminal"
"They are not in Najaf. They are nowhere. They are on the moon. They are snakes in the desert..."
Iraqi opposition leaders are "bats ... and a bad American product."
"Even those who live on another planet, if there are such people, would have condemned this action before it started"
"We expect the aggressors to use anything, we don't rule out that in their depression at being vanquished, those losers will become hysterical and commit even more folly."
"They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration."
On U.S. General Richard Myers: "He must be crazy"
His reports are "basic propaganda".
Rumsfeld is a "crook" and "the most despicable creature."
Rumsfeld is "the worst kind of bastard"
"Our farmers, they are targeting accurately the enemy." (shooting at helicopters)
"The imperialist invading U.S. and British forces are like a snake that slithers all over the place but that doesn't control anything."
"We feed them death and hell!"
"We besieged them and killed most of them, and I think we will finish them soon."
"They are nowhere near Baghdad. Their allegations are a cover-up for their failure"
"They want to deceive their people first because now they are in a very shabby situation."
"It's a small town [Umm Qasar], it has only a few docks... now they are in a trap"
"Iraqi forces are still in control of the city, and they are engaging in an attrition war with the enemy"
"Americans are now in disarray"
"They are again in the dirt in the desert."
"They will try to enter Baghdad, and I think this is where their graveyard will be."
"Their objective is to get to the outskirts of Baghdad. So be it."
"We will see how the issue will turn out when they come to Baghdad."
"We are determined to defeat them and destroy them on the walls of our capital, as we are determined to destroy their miserable armies in every Muslim spot."
"Iraq will spread them even more and chop them up."
saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT I'M A YELLOW COWARD] ever notice how they all look yellow saw arafat today did you see his hands and ubl looked yellow too?? what is up with that??
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strengthand Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
They didn't hit Sweden because they would have greater odds of killing a muslim than a native Swede.
This prick is so condescending, and if security were truly in the people's hands, which it may come to some day, there would be nary a muslim from sea to shining sea.
Here's some or all of the video, not sure, don't speak freaky, deeky arabic.
http://www.ogrish.com/attachments/2004/10/29/osama-bin-laden-video-tape.wmv
4 more years.
Such obvious politicking by Bin Laden is endangering the 501(c)(3) status of all those Muslim charities that, one way or the other, funnel money to the cause. Apparently he is unfamiliar with the Code & Regs. Who will send him a copy?
Posted by: Hugh at October 29, 2004 07:11 PM
For you Hugh you get 2 gold stars!!!
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What's most depressing about all this stuff is that in this time and age, religious rethoric has suplanted reasoning, explosions are becoming almost legitimate forms of "expressing disagreement", and madmen and/or mass murderers see themselves raised to the level of political players. And it does not show signs of going away. Really, what BL says should be deemed irrelevant. I'm not sure if he prefers Bush or Kerry, probably both of them are equally despicable in his twisted point of view, but the appearance of the tape at this moment seems to be an attempt to influence the elections, or at least to obtain the maximum exposure.
I'm not sure, but the tape seems to somehow help Bush, but merely for the same irrationality issue: fear now is the best political propaganda. Welcome to the 21st century.
What will the BBC have to say in light of the fact they have been showing a series arguing that the terrorist threat is just an illusion created by the Americans?
Bid Laden, Arafat, Muslims , come on join the world. Use your energy for good. Build something useful, help people, produce some goods for international barter. Your energy is wasted on hating the West and it will evenetually destroy you.
Look at Arafat, how humiliating it must be to need to go to another country for health care. If half the energy in Palestine was spent on building and staffing hospitals instead of building bombs and hating Isreal he would'nt need to go to France.
I wonder, if he dies in France will the Palestinians blame it on Chirac? Will they threaten Parisans with death saying they are responsible?
Not having yet seen the video , the only comment i can make is.
Americans! do not let this monster influence the course of the elections. turn your ears away until wednesday!
he is trying to show you that alqaeda controls the american election process and will claim victory if you let him - and even more so, if god forbid, kerry should win.
The arrogance of Bin laden has no limits.
Truthseeker -
There has to be some concrete reason why you bring up the now obscure and almost forgotten issue of WTC 7, where nobody died, on the very same day that Osama bin Laden has revealed his latest tripe.
If you think that you can use this board as some kind of hidden message mailbox for terrorists, rest assured, I'm sure that JW is already under surveillance by many folks, from Mossad to the C.I.A.
"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.
I kept thinking on that... and it suggests they would strike us no matter who is elected. Which we always knew (at least the more sensible) that this would be the case.
I think it reads: 'Submit. Give up, let us do what we want. Where we want. When we want.'
I say:
Four More Years!
And with luck, 4 more after that. No giving the thugs at the UN a veto over anything we Must do. No handing our troops to the UN to do with as they see fit- which would be to die for causes we do Not believe in, and do Not further the best interests of the US or the Planet.
4 more years.
Posted by: khamr at October 29, 2004 07:27 PM
Yea like to stay locked and loaded and a few f18 and av8s give a certian peace of mind and Lots of ammo helps and the Brave TO HELP FIGHT AND KILL THESE MONSTERS WHO TIE SOME MAN HOLD HIM DOWN AND CUT OFF HIS HEAD BUT JUST ENOUGH SO THEY CAN WATCH HIM SUFFER!!
HELL YEA I WANT 4MORE YEARS SO WE CAN KEEP KILLING THEM!!
WISH THE EUROPEANS WOULD SEE THESE MONSTERS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!! AND GROW SOME BALLS TO FIGHT THEM!!
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God Bless the USA and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
GOD BLESS THE COUNTRY WHO HAS HEROS!!
pitty the country who needs them??
Well, I figure I'll switch my vote from
Bush to Kerry; no sense getting these
terrorists any more upset than they
already are.
"...it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers..."
What's with the 'goat butting'? Has UBL been watching too much 'South Park'?
Or is it just a lousy tranlation at 'Drudge'?
In the BBC version I thought it said the girl was telling him about her 'goals', which makes more sense to me - but then I'm not a mad mahdi with a hankering for goat butts.
Well, well,well Bush gets two "October Surprises".
Seems as if Imad Khadurri was correct, when he translated the Madrid Tape by Bin Laden, and Bin Laden said he was rooting for Bush.
Bush Camp Gets Gift from Azzam the American conveniently leaked by the Department of Defense to Drudge.
And Now a tape by Osama Bin Laden, back to back endorsements of Bush.
But wait there is more, The Al Islams Brigade says it has some of the HMX from Al Qaaqa depot, and it got it from Army Intelligence.
Seems that the administration, the neo cons really want this war on terrorism, they feed the terrorists, maybe the real goal is to create a fascist dictatorship in the US, the only way to do that is to justify it through fear.
This is what Imad Khadduri,( a former Iraqi nuclear scientist with the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission from 1968-1998. He is author of the book Iraq's Nuclear Mirage} said October 7th on Democracy Now
SourceInterview with Imad Khadduri
Why do people assume that Bin Laden is alive - he could have made this tape shortly after 9/11 and have died sometime between now and then....telling his minions to release it prior to the next USA Presidential election.
I do hope that the USA citizens learn from the Spanish experience - just doing the biding of these islamomanics means nothing - Spain is still being attacked - or at least these islomamanics are still trying to carrying out numerous attacks, but now being caught. Islamic promises made to a non-muslim means absolutely NOTHING! The only thing that these creatures respect is STRENGTH and FIGHTING FIRE WITH FIRE! What they want is appeasement - as in the EU - not the Bush doctrine - get them before they get us! I am very glad that there is a COWBOY in the White House!
I do hope that these tapes push those wavering between Kerry and Bush to vote for Bush, thus helping re-elect Bush!
jihan
If bush is elected there will be more jihad murders.
if kerry is elected there will be more jihad murders.
So take your pick.
WHat will kerry do if there is god forbid another 911.
Consult jacques Chirac (if he can draw himself away from arafat's bedside)?
tell American servicemen that they are guilty of war crimes in Iraq and blame them for the new outrage?
yes it's a hard choice to make is it not?
BTW
from the beeb website, the tape looks like a voice over.
Why do people assume that Bin Laden is alive - he could have made this tape shortly after 9/11 and have died sometime between now and then....telling his minions to release it prior....
Posted by: jihan
Probably not, Jihan....I just looked at it on BBC and Bin Laden specifically mentions Kerry
so it's thought to have been made in the last few months at least. The FBI thinks it's real
(I think I saw that on nytimes.com).
You might be right about it causing people to
opt for Bush....I wonder if that might not even have been the intent.
What is that stench in the air?
TROLLS!
I can clearly identify 2 on this thread. ! seems currently active...
Please, please don't feed it, folks. It carves attention desperately. Don't engage it, whatever it says....
The trolls are on the same side as Michael Moore, Bin Laden, snaKerry, Chirac et al....
Posted by: Afrafaste at October 29, 2004 09:37 PM
New thought please!!
"Who is this dog Franks in Qatar?"
"Bush doesn't even know if Spain is a republic or a kingdom, how can they follow this man?"
"Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with missiles and heavy artillery, they retreat even deeper. But when we stopped pounding, they pushed to the airport for propaganda purposes.''
Any apparent American gains, he said, were a cunning ploy by the Iraqis to lure the enemy into a trap. "Our armed forces, according to their tactics, are leaving the way open"
"The capital, especially the commandos, are getting ready to wipe them out"
"We are surrounding them and pounding them. The whole trend has changed and we are going to finalize this very soon.''
"After we finish defeating all of those animals we will disclose that with facts and figures."
"Bush, Blair and Rumsfeld. They are the funny trio"
"We have shot down 2 Apache helicopters. Have the Americans said yet that they were shot down by their - what do they call it - friendly fire? No? Well... [dramatic pause, then smiles] ...not yet!"
Question: Is Saddam Hussein still alive:
"I will only answer reasonable questions"
"Don't believe anything! We will chase the rascals back to London!"
we all loved bagdad bob
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PS
Posted by: jihan
may have a point called voice over!!! and remember that how we heard early on that he had made dozens of tapes incase something happened to him and they are desprate cause the COWBOYS ARE RIDING AND THE MARSHELS ARE TAKEN THEM OUT!!
pss
BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE rUSSIANS IN THIS FIGHT AND KOSOVO AND BOSIANA IS A GOOD PLACE FOR THEM TO START!!
Posted by: Catherine at October 29, 2004 10:01 PM
New thought please!!
I'll try but it's been very difficult for me lately. A lack of direction resulting in a
lack of motivation.
PS
Posted by: jihan
may have a point called voice over!!!
That's why I changed my post from reading
"No" to "probably not".
New thought please!!
SO MEAN!?!! OH MY!!
Voletti,
Sniff...I got a whiff of the trolls too. I concur. No trolls!
"The trolls are on the same side as Michael Moore, Bin Laden, snaKerry, Chirac et al...."
Giaour is cutting and pasting the same tripe again. Notice how she never responds to Gary and my rebuttals. What makes these specimens tick?
Posted by: jihan at October 29, 2004 09:39 PM
so much for the religion of peace - this is one of the many reasons why all mosques must be under surveillance
wHO SAYS IT IS ABOUT PEACE IT IS ABOUT PIECE!!
The truth about what Mulsums believe??
Read and learn about the peace they bring to your door??
Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
YEA HIDE AND THEN PONCE WE REDNECKS CALL THAT SUCKER PUNCH!!
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.” Tabari
YEA KILL A MAN IN HIS SLEEP AND WE SEE THIS TODAY THEY ARE SAVAGES
AND ubl DID HE CRY ABOUT THE 300,000 IRQIS KILLED BY saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT I'M A YELLOW COWARD] NO HE DID'T AND DID HE CRY ABOUT ALL THE ARABS IN LEBEON KILLED BY THE SYAIRANS NOT!
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V5B59N360 “The total number of Muslim fighters from Mecca who fought at Badr and were given a share of the booty, were 81. When their shares were distributed, their number was 101. But Allah knows it better.”
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
Tabari VII:65 “Allah’s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah’s possession. There was a similar number of dead.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
Ishaq:515 “Allah’s Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property.”
Tabari VIII:128 “Khaybar was divided among the people who had been at Hudaybiyah.”
Ishaq:521 “Khaybar was apportioned among the men of Hudaybiyah without regard to whether they were present at Khaybar or not. The spoil was divided into 1,800 shares.”
Ishaq:521 “When the spoil of Khaybar was apportioned, the settlements of Shaqq and Nata were given to the Muslims while Katiba was divided into five sections: Allah’s fifth [which Muhammad was custodian]; the Prophet’s fifth; the share to the kindred [Muhammad’s kin]; maintenance of the Prophet’s wives [now there’s an honest report]; and payment to the men who acted as intermediaries in the peace negotiation with Fadak [which enabled the prophet to steal the entire spoil].”
Ishaq:522 “Then the Apostle distributed the booty between his relatives, his wives, and to other men and women. He gave his daughter Fatima 200 shares, Ali 100, Usama 250, Aisha 200, Bakr 100…. In the name of Allah—this is a memorandum of what Muhammad the Apostle gave his wives from the dates and wheat: 180 loads.”
Bukhari:V5B59N537 “Allah’s Apostle divided the war booty with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier.”
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 9:103 “Take alms out of their property in order to cleanse and purify them, and invoke Allah for them; surely this is a relief for them.”
Tabari IX:3 “Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.”
Tabari IX:13 “Abu Talhah alone took the spoils of twenty men whom he had killed.”
Ishaq:571 “I went up to a man and struck off his hand. He fell and I killed him while he was down. But I was too occupied with fighting to pay any more attention to him. So one of the Meccan Muslims passed by and stripped him. Then when the fighting was over and we had finished with the enemy, the Apostle said that anyone who had killed a foe could have his spoil. I told the Apostle that I had killed a man who was worth stripping but had been too busy killing others at the time to notice who had spoiled him. Abu Bakr said, “To Allah’s lions who fight for His religion go the spoils that come from their prey. Return the booty to the man who killed him.’ The Apostle confirmed Abu Bakr’s words. So I was given the property of the man whom I had killed. I sold it and bought a small palm grove with the money. It was the first property I ever owned.”
Ishaq:592 “The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘Muhammad, divide the spoil and booty of camels and cattle among us.’ They forced the Prophet up against a tree, and his robe was torn from him. Muhammad cried, ‘Give me back my robe. If there had been more sheep I would have given you some. You have not found me to be niggardly, cowardly or false.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘You have not found me miserly, cowardly, or a liar.’ Then he walked over to his camel and took a hair from its hump. Holding it aloft in his fingers he said, ‘Men, I do not have anything of your booty, not even as much as this hair. Just filth. And that filth is what is being given to you. So, bring back my cloak.’”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”
Bukhari:V4B53N373 “Allah’s Apostle got property and war prisoners and gave them to some people to the exclusion of others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, ‘I give to some people, lest they should deviate from Islam or lose patience.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?”
Tabari IX:37/Ishaq:596 “Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
Tabari IX:38 “In this year, the Messenger sent Amr to collect the zakat tax from Jayfar and Amr, the clans of Julanda and Azd.... He collected the jizyah from the Zoroastrians.”
Tabari IX:74 “Indeed, Allah has guided you with His guidance. If you wish to do well [capture booty], obey Allah and His Messenger. You must perform the prayers, pay the zakat tax, and give a fifth share of Allah’s booty to His Messenger. The required zakat is: from the land one tenth of that watered by springs and rain, and one twentieth of that watered by the leathern bucket. From camels, a milch camel for every forty camels, and a young male camel for every thirty camels. From sheep, one for every five camels; and from cows, one from every fourth… If anyone pays more, it is to his credit. He who professes this, bears witness to his Islam and helps the faithful [fight] against the polytheists, he has the protection of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
REMEMBER THAT THE SUDAN WAS GOING TO GIVE ubl TO CLINTON AND HE REFUSED AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND HIM SANDY BERGER[STUFF PAPERS IN PANTS] RICHARD HOLLABROOK,JAMIE RUBIN ALL COULD HAVE HAD ubl AND DIDN'T TAKE HIM BECAUSE THEY HAD NO COURT DATE??
SOME THINK HE IS IN IRAN??
AND WE HAVE THIS IN THE QURAN WHICH WIRKS FOR US!!
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says
He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Yes he has chosen the USA!!
And lets look at another part?
The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,
Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?
There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 30,000 who harbors ubls son and wifes??
Mussis Mussis everywhere?
Mussis Mussis do we care?
Mussis Mussis make a scare?
Mussis Mussis Beware?
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider KILLER
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DEFEAT ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Posted by: Catherine at October 29, 2004 10:34 PM
ps
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Don’t hurt yourself untruthseeker
This is why WTC 7 collapsed
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf
Anybody who would let some 3rd world raghead islamic jihad fool scare them to vote for Kerry is a total wimp and should be completely ashamed of themself.
Reference in this speech to the goat in the story Bush was reading to the children that morning (not, apparently, Three Billygoats Gruff but something more recent, and less memorable) --makes one hope that he will read another children's book to a class when he next gets a chance. And that book is "Millions of Cats" with text and unforgettable pictures by Wanda Gag. Buy the book to see the illustrations; it has been reprinted, and Audur H. Winnan's catalogue raisonnee of Wanda Gag's work, which is excellent, nevertheless includes only one print from a special edition of "Millions of Cats."
Briefly, the story goes like this: a Little Old Man and a Little Old Woman live together, but they are lonely. The Little Old Man goes out in search of a cat. And he brings home not one, but hundreds and thousands and millions of cats. And those cats fight over food. And they caterwaul. And they scratch and bite each other, so that in the end, they have eaten each other up, and disappeared. Save for one small inoffensive kitty, who did not get fight, and who survives to be fattened up by the Little Old Man and the Little Old Woman, and they all live happily ever after.
There is a moral there. It is not one that would please Bin Laden, but that Bush might consider.
New thought please!!
SO MEAN!?!! OH MY!!
Posted by: Afrafaste at October 29, 2004 10:26 PM
YEA WHAT ABOUT IT!!
THIS IS A DURTY BUSINESS!!
KILL OR BE KILLED
OVER THERE OR OVER HERE??
THHAT IS WHAT THIS AND THE OTHER TAPE SAID BLOOD IN OUR STREET !!
I WANT SOMEONE IN POWER WHO WILL FIGHT THIS FIGHT OVER THERE!! SIMPILE!
Mussis Mussis everywhere?
Mussis Mussis do we care?
Mussis Mussis make a scare?
Mussis Mussis Beware?
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider KILLER
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DEFEAT ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
We don't want to stir up any bad feelings, but we have a different perspective, one more in line with Santayana's observation "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." And to make our point, today we investigate the phrase "wave the bloody shirt."
OBL: I am so surprised by you. Although we are in the fourth year after the events of sept 11, Bush is still practicing distortion and misleading on you, and obscuring the main reasons and therefore the reasons are still existing to repeat what happened before. I will tell you the reasons behind theses incidents.
I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.
AGAIN A CATCH 22 SO GO A HEAD THE GUY IS A LIER AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS IS IS A VOICE OVER BY IRAN??
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Spider Killer
God bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Under the rubric of jihadist media distortion...otherwise off topic.
The Arafat business gets more bizarre by the day. Consider this from that oracle of Jihadist truth, the BBC,
"A Palestinian spokeswoman said he had gastric flu, but there was more to his illness and diagnosis would take days."
How would a Palestinian spokeswoman know that diagnosis will take days? Don't doctors do that sort of thing? Couldn't the diagnosis come tomorrow? Why not? Why not just say, 'We're not sure what is wrong, but the doctors will tell you when they find out.'?
Very odd. These folks are so accostomed to lies, distortions, saying one thing doing another, that oddball, deceptive comments can fly right off the tongue without a second thought.
Well, what is wrong with the murderer? The obvious deception now has me interested.
The word on the street is AIDS. Now you know why al-BBC is helping them hide it.
Turban'd terrormonger said: "If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. . . . "
Duh, he think we stupid? Sweden has already caved in to the Islamic invasion. It is filled with "asylum-seekers" on the public dole, who are not and wll never become Swedes. What would have been the Islamic jihadists' gain by attacking Sweden, Holland, England? These countries are innundated with Moslems--and the governments are fully dhimmified.
The freedom that the turban'd menace and his followers DO hate is OUR freedom. What they have is the freedom to live under sharia, pray so many times per day, and of course their favorite freedom, the freedom to kill the kufar wherever they find him.
A great article by Walid Phares on this subject.
I highly recommend that everyone read it then go to Frontpage Magazine and e-mail to as people as we all can.
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticles.asp?ID=15721
Al Qaeda's Plans for an American Chaos
By Walid Phares
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 29, 2004
When Mohammed Atta slammed his fleet of hijacked planes into the Manhattan skyline on September 11, his masters expected that such a wound would unravel the “façade” of American strength. Beyond three thousand Americans and others massacred horribly, Usama Bin Laden believed that the attacks would expose the soft underbelly of American power, implanting systemic paralysis on all US war efforts. Thus, the final goal of the war on the Infidels has always been to crush America’s institutions and way of life so that Americans would ultimately surrender to the marching Caliphate-to-be. From this perspective the September 2001 attacks aimed at igniting three fires.
One was to create deep fears in the hearts of Americans, so that they would revolt against their government. The Salafi strategists thought they would apply the Madrid paradigm two years earlier in New York and Washington. The essence of this attempt failed, as the US unified its ranks and declared a War against Terrorism. A second fire was expected to be a major backlash against Muslims and Arabs within the US. Despite claims of many incidents, the American ethnic structure remained intact. The third sought fire by Bin Laden was to drag the US into the battlefield of al Qaida's choosing, that is everywhere and nowhere.
But such a scenario was not to be: the Jihadi project failed to attain these objectives, and America and its allies emerged strengthened with a new resolve out of the fires of Islamist hatred, removing the Taliban, the world Jihadi fortress, and reaching the borders of Pakistan from the West. Another major blow was the removal of Saddam Hussein, the potential projected ally against the United States. But even though al Qaida's initial plan fell short, America cannot afford any complacency in the face of terror, for a second generation plan has been erected on the ashes of the first.
The Jihadists are rigid on ideology but flexible on strategy. Al Qaida's cadres are diverse and many have insight on their enemies systems. The capture of senior officers such as Ramzi bin al Sheeb and lately the computer engineer Khan is very telling. Militarily and technologically, they are significantly advanced. Their expertise and information are equivalent to those of any successful graduate from Western schools.
More frightening is their knowledge of their enemies’ political systems. Many of the known leaders of Jihadi organizations were affiliated with European and American schools. Hassan Turabi, the intelligent leader of Sudan's National Islamic Front was a graduate of London schools. Abdallah el Shallah, the present commander of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, was a teacher at a Tampa university. One could go on at length, but the bottom line is that the radical Islamists, especially those engaged in warfare with the United States, are not politically blind. They know our system, and have figured out its weaknesses. In short, they have sought to discover our Achilles heel, and our efforts have been to counter them first through intelligence and followed by preemption.
It's simple. Al Qaida kills US soldiers in Iraq, al Jazeera films the scene, mainstream media relays the events to the West and critics of the war bring it home to the debate. The Administration is accused of failure, and its leaders are blasted for choosing the path of war in Iraq. From this, the Jihadist learns how our system works and starts the whole process again. Al-Zarqawi captures hostages, forces them to plead for US withdrawal, beheads them, films the barbaric scene, al Jazeera airs the events, and through the chain of Western media, criticism is lashed out against the decision makers in Washington and London.
This equation has been tested for months. Al Qaida's sophistication lies in how it has drawn out the dimensions of a longer offensive, one that uses the West against itself. By watching how the political system of the US works, the Salafist international network is manipulating the domestic game in America.
The Jihadists have learned that the critics of President Bush have concentrated their political fire on one specific issue: that the war in Iraq is a diversion from the War on Terror. The President claims his actions defeated al Qaida and depleted its capabilities. His opposition says instead of fighting Bin Laden (and eventually catching him) in Afghanistan, US forces find themselves stretched thin in Iraq, facing the Terrorists in a country where they did not originally exist. These two arguments, in the minds of many Americans, can decide the fate of the sitting President on Election Day. Indeed, if it is proven that by invading Iraq, al Qaida gained additional lands and power, even after being dislodged from Afghanistan, the commander of the invasion, George W Bush would lose votes, enough to lose the White House.
It is a universally understood matter, for a variety of reasons, that al Qaida seeks a political defeat of President Bush, particularly because of his aggressive policy of preemption, which has so successfully undermined terrorism and its funding throughout the broader Middle East. The Jihadists do not necessarily prefer John Kerry or his Party. They want Bush out of the White House so that a transition would take place in the Administration, followed by the shaping of new policy (especially different policy in Iraq) with at least 18 months of strategic inaction.
This is al Qaida's plan. Where once they thought they could paralyze the U.S. mostly through direct attacks like the ones in New York and Washington, they now attempt to attain this objective with a much more insidious campaign. Al Qaida thus endeavors in this election to aid in decisively defeating President Bush and his policies or, at the very least, to help create high political and legal tensions within the American political system. The Bin Laden machine was embolden to choose this path because of what they perceived being a deep difference in the national security and strategic views of the two contending candidates for the Presidency. Remember, the Jihadists have their own political scientists too.
The Jihad planners realize that a second Bush term would allow his own foreign policy team to accomplish another more daring stage in counter-Terrorism, with long-range political recipes for the future of the region. They can read the future after Afghani and Iraqi elections. They can detect the long term effects of al Hurra TV and SAWA radio on their al Jazeera turf. They can project future US policies towards the Baathists of Syria and the drama of Darfur.
Al Qaida's war room knows this would be a disaster for their ambitions and so do their clerical and political backers in the region. They wish for a softening of American resolve and understand that any "return to before 9/11" would greatly aid their efforts. The Jihadists are not naive though. They understand that a Kerry Administration will not open its doors to the Taliban scholars for visiting positions at our Ivy League schools—even though such a strategy was increasingly successful a decade earlier during the Clinton administration.
What Islamist planners want to see is a delayed American offensive. They need at least two to three years to rebuild their infrastructures. In their analysis, a defeat of Bush (not necessarily a victory of Kerry) would be psychologically powerful enough to boost the morale of their troops, cleanse Washington from the architects of the anti-Jihad war, and give them this precious strategic asset: Time. Infidels are infidels though, and the Jihadists know that any Administration replacing the incumbent one will eventually engage them in the future. That, they know. But what they wish is a transition, a change of commanders.
What may have made them secure in this thinking is less the presidential debate itself than the academic exchange underneath. With a global world society, Salafi experts on American politics (yes they exist too) have figured out that the intellectual establishment challenging the Administration is opposed to the premise of change in the Middle East. Kerry is a politician; he would eventually join the instincts of the American people in future confrontations. But the same cannot be said of our academic rigid elites, which similarly to their Islamic Fundamentalist counterparts, are not flexible on their views of the region's future. They want to return to the pre- 9/11 mode at any price. These elites, if back in power in Washington, would postpone the War on Terror till the next national tragedy. They would provide al Qaida with enough time to strategically re-group.
The rest is easy to elaborate, if you are the central unit of analysis within al Qaida. One contribution to the change they want to provoke in the U.S. is a push from the outside into the American political process. They may strike the U.S. before November 2, and even after, depending on the outcome of the election. Because of their successes in Spain last year, many projected that al Qaida would copycat it in America or even elsewhere in Europe or beyond. This possibility looms all the time.
But the men of Holy War have also learned to play propaganda ball. Here are two examples: last October 18, Iraq Jihad-commander, the Jordanian born Zarqawi, issued a statement of allegiance to Usama Bin Laden out of the blue. Experts and media commentators rushed to explain this enigmatic move. "Why would Zarqawi issue a statement of allegiance to al Qaida?" Shepard Smith on Fox News asked me that day. My answer was drawn from speeches I had analyzed in the Ansar chat rooms. "Now the United States should understand that al Qaida is not gone away, it is in the middle of Iraq," they asserted. They were trying to demonstrate that al Qaida was spreading all over not shrinking." What made it clear was the fact that Zarqawi was an al Qaida operative for years. Why would he officialize his organic link to Bin Laden? The answer came from the cadres online: "what will Bush tell his people today before the elections? That he went to Iraq to defeat al Irhab (Terrorism)? Abu Mus'aab is there to fight, and al Qaida is there. What will Bush tell his people before elections?" The tactical objective was crystal clear. But a second more official dose came a week later, seven days before D-Day.
On October 26, Reuters reported that the Saudi Branch of al Qaida issued a release stating the following: “for they said at the start of their war (...) that a main aim was to eradicate al Qaeda in Afghanistan and now al Qaeda has spread globally." The release was signed by "al Qaida Organization in the Arabian Peninsula." The release was followed again by long analysis in the Jihad and Ansar cyber rooms which echoed this tactic. If anything, this cascade of loud releases proves that al Qaida is attempting to affect the U.S. political process. Their main point is to state that the Bush Administration said the War in Iraq will defeat al Qaida, but al Qaida is telling the world that instead, it has spread into Iraq as well as the whole region. They project that the Western media will pick up (in this case Reuter) these points and thereby feed the political battles inside the U.S. This further indicates that inside al Qaida, there is a "political analysis unit" which is working on U.S. domestic and international issues. Logical projections tell us that they will try to find more "holes" they can manipulate. They will use all they have before Tuesday, and could continue to feed this debate, especially if things get legally complicated in the election process later on.
Worse case, these terrorist networks could attempt to combine this propaganda warfare with material aggression within the country or overseas. Minimal achievement, they will hope to deepen the mutual distrust in America. And a much better goal would be to plant the seeds of an irreversible political chaos. Watching the armies of lawyers heading to the polling centers, hearing the noises of prolonged constitutional crisis, they certainly fantasize about civil unrest in “American Rome.” One has to assume that the terrorists do not have a "failure of imagination," as the 9/11 Commission stated. Americans from all parties, although increasingly sinking in an ocean of politics, must remain alert and keep their eyes on their land. The wolves are out for the kill, and only an eagle flying high can detect their leaps.
Dr Walid Phares is a Professor of Comparative Politics and a Senior Fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington DC. www.walidphares.com
Hi all,
So Mr. Laden *is* alive then. This together with the tape the other day is a worrying sign for the people of the US and the West in general.
People like Cathrine and in the West should be apprehensive. While he is still in charge 9/11 could happen again.
Why should all the billions be given to the secret intellengence agencies if they can't find him. Money should be better spent on other strategies.We can do two things at least.
1) Vote Mr. Kerry in. He is best placed to deal with Mr. Laden. He says that he will focus exclusively on Mr. Laden. He may bring the troops from Iraq, giving you the best possible protection on US home soil.
2) Let Israel finish the wall and then publicily shy away from them if Sharon won't negotiate to a Pal state.
War will only led to more reprisials.....we may hate him ....but we cannot ignore him.
Allah be praised
It seems that our astute American philosopher of the masses, Eminem has made a video to get out the hip-hop vote, a la man the barricades against the establishment, get rid of the President, and we'll run the nation...a chilling thought, smacking of a call to civil war!
http://www.gnn.tv/content/viewer.html
Apart from the reference to Kerry, is there anything referring to recent events?
Why do mention of Iraq which must be the Muslims biggest pretext for attacking us? Wouldn't you think that Bin Laden would have liked to have encouraged insurgency there?
Even two or three years ago Bin Laden could have guessed that John Kerry would be amongst half a dozen names short-listed as the Democratic candidate.
This tape is not very long, he could without much bother have made six different versions of that one sentence referring to Bush's counterpart in the presidential election.
Please tell me if I haven't read the transcript properly but I'm still sticking to my theory that Osama Bin Laden is long since dead.
I see Bin Laden is now campaigning for Bush. Why else release this tape three days before the election, turning the focus off Al Qaqaa and domestic concerns (Kerry's strength) back to terrorism (Bush's). GOP experts admit that the tape helps them.
Well, OBL looks healthy and safe. I though Bush had him "on the run"????? I thought Bush was going to get him?
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More thoughts:
Oh, fuck. That bastard is alive. I hoped he was buried in rubble in Tora Bora. Bush has failed to kill the bastard. Maybe private bounty hunters could do a better job?
One expert said that the tape is very unusal since OBL doesn't mention religious texts, strange for a very religious figure, and during the holy month of Ramadan. Arabs who view it may be put off by his ignoring religious themes. This, according to a long time OBL expert. Wonder what this means.
Another thing, we can't be sure of the timing. IT could have been made any time since January 2004, when the candidates for this election were known.
One more point, a commentator said that the tape may be a sign of weakness. Instead of a Madrid style attack on our election, OBL is using a video address possibly because his plans for such an attack have failed, or because he was unable to get the infrastructure in place. Just a thought. He wants to appear calm, safe and statesmen like, but it may be covering up a rather desperate situation. We can hope anyway. OTOH, Qaeda tapes often come right before major attacks......
Anyway overall, very disappointing this piece of shit is still walking around. No thanks to George "Eye off the ball" Bush
Mega, apparently you make no effort to Read. Naseem is probably one of the best people we have to talk to on that side of the issue, but if she is supporting Kerry.....
4 more years!
Final note:
I, for one, REFUSE on principle to let murderers like OBL to influence my vote ever in any way. If I was a Bush supporter, and there was a major Madrid-style attack, I'd still vote Bush. If I was a Kerry supporter, I'd still vote for Kerry. NEVER, EVER, EVER, should Americans allow the democracy hating thugs like OBL to influence a single vote in our 225 year plus old democracy. OBL hates democray most of all, since it is the "kingdom of man" and not the sharia "kingdom of god".
Attack or no attack, tape or no tape:
Bush voters should vote Bush
Kerry voters should vote Kerry
Do not change your vote either way because of democracy-hating thugs.
I think we ALL can and should agree on this, Rep or Dem.
Let's all convert to isalm. Let's stop listening to music, lets stop our wine drinking, come on we can do it. No more movies and magazines. We don't need that. Sports and fishing, who needs it, throw that TV and Stereo in the dumpster and pick up a Koran. We could be going to a mosque and put our nose in a rug and our butts in the air. That's the thing to do, who needs this fun stuff like picnics and car trips and beer runs. Naw, being a mohammad worshipper is the way to go man. Weed and cigaretts, checking out a comedy club, kill anyone who does that. Workout in a gym, you vain physical body worshipper, we must stop this to save your soul. Women in skimpy business suits, such wickedness, smite them and make them wear beesuits.
Yipee, is fun to be a mussie. We can stone people to death and cut off their hands and feet or if they are really bad cut off their heads. Woweee fun times ahead. Let's tell Bin Laden we want to do that. Then he won't want to hurt us anymore, I want to vote for Kerry.
Mr Gary,
The reason I am "supporting" Mr. Kerry is that he appears to be more focused, he appears to talk about, & think about other ways to solve the problems the world has.
Mr. Bush is frozen in the headlights, he just brings about more jihad.
A new face will bring about fresh thinking...which could be more of the same ...but I don't think so. Mr. Bush allowed the preassure off the Talban and couldn't wait to get into Mr. Hussain and now look where we are.
People here are thinking emotionally, but I think you have to do what's best for all parties and NOT just for the Americans.
I hope that helps you understand my position...even thouigh I cannot vote.
Mr. Bush allowed the preassure off the Talban and couldn't wait to get into Mr. Hussain and now look where we are.
Naseem, the Taliban was defeated, they are gone, there is no Taliban. Elections are taking place there. I will tell Bush thank you on your behalf.
Hussein is gone, I'll thank him for you as well.
The whole western world is under attack. The only country that still has the will and capability to fight is the US.
All Western European governments put their heads into the sand hoping the threat will pass but forgets that their asses is still above ground free to be kicked.
They do not listen to their citizens who are mostly extremely worried (say terrified) and instead inventing new laws prohibiting the people to speak up about their concerns. They are intimidating their own to favor the enemies. Lying, censorship and deceit is the rule of the day to keep information from reaching the ordinary people and the media is playing along.
I see signs in the sky telling that within a short period of time there will be fighting going on in the streets in most European countries and God knows which side our governments will take. Probably they will convert to Islam (if they not have done it secretly already) at a moments notice to save their own hide and fortunes.
The people in Europe is not stupid but been lead astray and brainwashed. Some day the fog will clear and the truth will be evident and we will se that we are naked and without means to defend ourselves.
I cannot vote in the US election as I am not a US citizen but if I could it would be for Bush. He has so far realized, if not in full, what enemy we faces and taken some action. When all hell breaks loose we, the ordinary people in Western Europe, again needs the support of the clear-sighted people in the US and their leaders.
Thanks Boma, you know we'll be there. :-)
Catherine.
"WISH THE EUROPEANS WOULD SEE THESE MONSTERS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!! AND GROW SOME BALLS TO FIGHT THEM!!"
We do, we have, but we do not have the means and support.
Been following this story all night on BBC news 24 (yes I'm ashamed to admit it but here in blighty,it's the best us mere mortals...IE- the ones who can't afford cable.... who only have access to terrestrial TV can get).
And still even now I've only heard bits of his verbal diahorrea. Even the BBC where a little bit more anti-terror than usual, I think this warning has hi-lighted to them the fact, that Al qaeda are still out there.
There's been all kind of analysis... will it help Bush...will it help Kerry??? Does it showq that Al qaeda are crippled, and have made this video to in a desperate bid to re-establish their reputation.... or is it in fact an act of defiant propaganda to the islamic world, to show that three years down the line from 9/11 and the bearded-bum-bandit is still on the loose???
Personally in the presidential election stakes I think it helps Bush.... admit it folks things weren't looking too great for the republicans but now old Bushy-Boys back in the game, and Kerry's left stuttering and gibbering like a madman, although I did admire his sudden metamorphisis into Rambo:
We will destroy Bin laden and the terrorists (sounds like the name of a WWE tag team), THEY ARE BARBARIANS!!! (Senator Kerry shouldn't be surprised if CAIR take a lawsuit against him via the affirmative action office for that statement)
As the US elections have entered the 50/50 realm, I have been trying to glean something....anything positive from the democrats, and the attitude of Kerry is how he should have been talking all along, thats all we wanted to see, a little bit of courage, a little bit of attitude....something to show that he does actually acknowledge somewhere in his mind that we are at war with a ruthless enemy.
His speech condemning OBL last night was too little , too late, and now he's left sucking his thumb wondering what hit him, and he only has the left-wings hi-jacking of the dhimmicrats to blame.
OBLs ugly bonce couldn't have showed up at a worse time for Kerry....
Now a couple of questions people:
What did OBL mean, or what could he have meant by "Bush continues to lie to the american people..."??? Is it some kind of ploy to derail him, create mistrust (more of).???
Does anyone think the tapes aim was to aid Bush or Kerry, and if so why??? And by that I mean what would he have to gain by Bush staying in power??? The usual left-wing media mongs reckon is aim is to get Bush re-elected because Bush's foreign policy creates more US-hatred in the islamic world, meaning more recruits for him...what a crock of old bull!!!
I'm really hoping if Kerry gets in that this tape is going to pressure him (along with the right-wing voices of America, and the concerned US public) to getting his hands dirty, and realising that weakening the military and intelligence is so the wrong move....
Time will tell....
One final thing, I wonder if the CIA have even considered the possibility that Da'wa-vision (Al Jazeera) might have connections with Al qaeda. Isn't anyone slightly suspicious that they always get these tapes before anyone else ( the beheadings, and hostage videos also)???
This dirty little arab network needs tearing apart, all it's big-shots arresting and interrogated using Soviet torture methods and truth serums. I hear the original was "dropped ooff"at Al Jazeera's Islamabad office, if so surely to god that office has cameras, check them out, hunt down the man/woman responsible for leaving the tape, and interrogate him/her... simple.
Never trust Al Jazeera.
Naseem,
Surprise, surprise... a muslim who wants Kerry to win the elections.
We want Iraq to continue, we want a CIA base in Iraq so we can tackle the terrorist on their own turf instead of ours...plus it's almost over now, I don't think even Kerry's that stupid that he'd ditch Iraq after all thats happened, and all the lives lost (not the muslim-terrorists...I couldn't care less how many of those nothings die, sadly though a bullet is far to quick a death for such dirt).
I laugh how you say we need to retreat to protect ourselves from your savages. Do you think you're winning or something??? Bring it on!!! There's been no attacks in the US since 9/11, and that bought on the demise of two corrupt islamic regimes, as well as bringing worldwide focus onto islamic jihadism.Another attack on US soil would just about seal all your fates.
The best way to protect ourselves, logically, would be to execute every last muslim above the age of 16, re-educate and convert the rest to atheism/any religion other than islam, burn every copy of the koran,flatten every mosque on the planet, and erase the vile cult from history completely..... that would bring on world peace too, but unfortunately no-one exept the muslims themselves would be willing to do anything so bloody and horrific, so I'll settle for wiping out all the dictatorships and regimes one by one, giving terrorists no place to hide until someone does have the sense to do that.
Oh yeah and the palestinians are just nomads, they have no right to be on Israeli land.There would be peace if the palestinians dissappeared ( asd they're the ones who always break the ceasefire). Israel has a right to defend itself against kamakaze-killers.
Just read the transcript....
What a self-important, arrogant, heartless, maniac.
This kind of hostile, devolved subhuman cannot be reasoned with or appeased. He really hold a high opinion of himself... the freaky thing is, millions of muslims across the "ummah" are probably cheering at his every word, worshipping him like he's some kind of prophet.... and it is this what makes me even more adamant that reforming islam isn't an option.... destroying it is!!!
Catherine:-
re: "Sounds like Bin Laden's having trouble . . ."
Bar:
re: "He (BL) reminds me of Baghdad Bob . . ."
Naseem:
re: ". . .While he (BL) is still in charge . . ."
re:
mega2004 . . ."One expert said that the tape is very unusal since OBL doesn't mention religious texts, strange for a very religious figure, and during the holy month of Ramadan."
hmmmm. . .Ubl has toned down somewhat (when compared to previous tapes)and I find it almost humorous that UBL impresses that 'he' should receive recognition for S11 - has he lost credibility with his brethren??? The double edged sword of taqiyya??
epg:
re: " -Of course we know that the jihad will go on regardless of the election and regardless of our decisions in Iraq."
Again - sadly true. Additionally, should Bush win - US can expect useful idiots like dhimmi, Michael Moore and crew to inflict further dissent to deepen the divide.
re: susan_b - re: read & e-mail Whalid Phares' article "Al Qaeda's Plans for an American Chaos"
Agree!! I thought the same and did exactly that yesterday.
re: Elephant
"What will the BBC have to say . ..?"
Personally can't vouch for the source (whether from US or elsewhere) but here is a post interpreting authenticity of BL tape - (found on lgf):
> #91 Connecticut Yankee 10/29/2004 07:03PM PST
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> FWIW-- Roger L. Simon posted a comment at Belmont Club with a link to one of his regular posters who a) has lived and worked in Afghanistan and b) thinks the OBL video is bogus.
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> "John"'s words:
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> Whither comes [Al J's] tape of Bin Laden? And who is the author? The performer? The wizards in their editing suites? After all, the palaver's so perfect, the timing of release so perfidious, one must by rights believe that this new, healthier 'Jazeera Osama' has been on comfortably on dry ice--with room service and premium blood transfusions--at a Dubai estate for the last three years, not chased through the hostile hot sands of Waziristan, trailed by a half mile caravan of dialysis tubing. Doesn't this have a foul odor about it? I'm not just talking about a fetid corpse suddenly spring back to health; on that issue, I still remain convinced--along with most all Afghans, Roger L. Simon and Mark Steyn--that the real Osama is playing tonsil hockey with Hitler in Hades these past three years. The real stench, however, comes from the consummate, too convenient sense of timing that--surprise!--completely favors and endorses the Democrats. A tape emerges, late on Friday, the end of a weekly news cycle, just before the networks and daily news writers close down shop for the week. Isn't this always the ideal moment to dump contaminated information on the public, knowing full well it will just sit there uncontested until election eve?
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> Cui bono? Well, the 'script' sounds remarkably western, as if it was authored by Michael Moore, with a final polish by John LaCarre. The Democrats and its agents in the MSM have promised a fatal, last minute bombshell to derail Bush (like the decades old 'revelation' of DUI deployed on election eve in 2000) but the transparently inept CBS/NYT tale of missing Iraqi armaments didn't even survive a day of cursory scrutiny.
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> So another calamitous revelation is necessary...Osama has been resurrected! No matter that the corpse is seen only in an extreme long shot, single take (from what I've seen thus far) with OBL mumbling something through a full beard and mustache. No dated newspaper in the foreground, of course. Why not the Daily Mullah with a Red Sox series win headline? And who knows for sure what he's saying? The distance of his face from the lens and the density of his whiskers allows the least talented jihad ventriloquist with a copy of Final Cut Pro to cut and paste any soundtrack that might effect the defeat of Bush. But the script doesn't sound at all like the deranged OBL. This kinder, gentler Bin Laden sounds definitely more sane than the unhinged Dean. In fact, one of his key point's: "we are a free people ... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," appears cribbed from rhetoric of the anti-communist revolutionaries of 1980s Eastern Europe. In any event, it's certainly less shrill or extreme than what we've come to expect from the increasingly psycho Gore. (One wonders, exactly what's 'our' nation is Bin Laden describing? An telling anachronism? A faux pas by a western author of the speech? Certainly not Afghanistan...he was an arrogant and despised Arab meddler in that nation.)
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> Then what is this tape all about? One oddly authored OBL locution stands out: Bush tarried in Florida, reading to kids when he could have saved NYC. This sounds suspiciously like the meme hissed through McAuliffe's fangs for the last few months on television: Bush read, New York bled. Am I to believe that Osama's kicking back and taking notes from Crossfire? Does anyone really believe he's bending the inflexible jihad to accommodate Kerry's campaign? Or is something far more treacherous at work here?
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So here we go again,with absolutely no newspapers or pictures in Osama video to prove what day it is,the media is eating this up and
nobody appears to question the credibility of
it.
The video I saw indicated the person giving the tirade of tripe was rocking back and forth to shift their weight from all the standing,the spotlight to the right casted a shadow to the left on the background cloth as minor shadow under the persons beard,but no facial features cast shadows against the shin,Osama is also very animated when vocal and his usual OK sign on his right hand didn't appear during the rant.
Lets remember all the claims by Muslims that the beheading video's were faked by the CIA and taped in Cuba,until I see the frontpage of a paper
to date the speech I will continue to see this as a cheap magic trick wher several videos are made and then played to match the events.
It was Osama that stated in a accepted previous video that he believed the WTC attack would only
damage the upper floors to inflict fear in people.
Now he claims 50,000 workers were left to face peril in the inferno while Bush read a story to a child.
If planes were being hijacked and flown into buildings would you rush to get on a plane and be exposed to Jihadists that could ram your aircraft.
Next time you hear of a fire don't forget to rush to the site and jump right in as osama appears to have an afinity for.
Here's one reason not to vote for George Bush:
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Any a**hole who says things like finding OBL is not important should be shown the door.
Bush has turned his back on America. Kerry said it: Hunt down and kill or capture OBL no matter what it takes. That's real leadership:
"In response to this tape from Osama bin Laden, let me make it clear, crystal clear. As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. They are barbarians. And I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes. Period. "
Naseem~ I fear I must disagree. The Liberal agenda is what kerry is focused on, not the war against Jihadists around the globe. He will be more interested in appointing activist judges to the courts, than he will saving the lives of Americans targeted around the globe.
If he is elected, I Know OBL et al will be pleased. The Global Caliphate will be tops on his appeasement list, right after France and the UN. We will be able to watch it Visibly grow in the US.
Bush has made mistakes but Letting the Pressure Off the Jihadists is not the answer here.
Who the hell is Naseem? Oh I get it, you're one of the Stalinist types. Cut the bullshit. That's what all the Bushies peddle -- bullshit to distract from his miserable failures.
"Bush has made mistakes but Letting the Pressure Off the Jihadists is not the answer here."
As far as letting pressure of the jihadis, here's Curious George doing just that:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/somnamblst/debate.gif
What a betrayal to the 9/11 familes. He promised bringing OBL to justice, but just a year later he called it quits. Now he never mentions OBL. Not one mention during the RNC. 3 years later, Bush has failed to find OBL, and conversely uses OBL as his secret electoral weapon.
Where's the accountability?
Where does the buck stop?
Time to put the COUNTRY before the Party.
No more excuses.
Bush, YOU'RE FIRED!
More examples of Bush's criminal negligence, aiding and abetting the terrorists:
Holy Zarqawi
Why Bush let Iraq's top terrorist walk.
By Daniel Benjamin
Posted Friday, Oct. 29, 2004, at 2:08 PM PT
Why didn't the Bush administration kill Abu Musab al-Zarqawi when it had the chance?
http://www.slate.com/id/2108880/
mega2004 -
By quoting slate.com, a Democratic mouthpiece if there ever was one, you show yourself to be a deluded partisan hack who is willing to believe anything, ANYTHING, that's bad about the President.
Kerry has shown no inclination to stand up for anything but America's enemies (such as the Viet Cong). Each and every chance he has had to weaken the US and strengthen our enemies he has practically fallen all over his Botoxed ass to exploit. Kerry is an unabashed traitor from way, way back. What makes you think he's had some sort of "Road to Damascus" experience and suddenly become anything remotely patriotic? He, through his "Global Test," has shown the electorate that he is more than willing to bend over and take it from the UN, who, if you haven't heard, were aiding and abetting Hussein in the most corrupt and brazen way imaginable. But that probably doesn't bother you, as mass graves full of thousands of Hussein's victims don't qualify as a humanitarian crisis in your f'ed up worldview. Failing to reelect Bush would be the ultimate insult to the 9/11 families and to anyone and everyone who has sacrificed to make this country what it is.
mega2004, it's time to put the country before your petty hatred. Your childish desire to unseat the president will only lead to our dhimmification by the most radical Islamists, and you and your type will be rewarded by being beheaded last.
Whom is mega2004 calling stalinist? Must be OBL. Stalin's thinking is favored by the Left, and everyone knows this.
mega2004....
Yeah your guy sure talks tough, the traitor bastard that went to congress and told a pack of lies, sold out his country, caused the torture of prisoners of war to get confessions to his lies, met with the enemy of his country during time of war, can't open his mouth without a lie spewing out. Yeah, he is going to be so tough on the bad guys that the first order of business should he prevail in this election is to cut and run in Iraq like the dirty dog traitor coward bastard that anyone with half a brain knows him to be.Yeah, he'll hunt down Binnie boy all right,so he can suck his ass and cut some deals just like he will with the weasels France and Germany. Tell you what though mega, your guy gets in I can guarantee he will go down in history as the most reviled president this country will have ever had.
mega2004
I hate to spoil your anti-Bush party.
You do understand that we are only voting for President. We are not replacing our military intelligence. You do understand that President Bush is not personally looking for OBL.
Understand that it is military intelligence that looks for OBL. What proof do you have that President Bush doesn’t know where OBL is?
Do you make an assumption that because we haven’t killed him, then we must not know where he is? Try not to be so gullible. I hope you understand that Mr Kerry couldn’t do any better that President Bush. Mr Kerry’s excuses you may like better, but he will have the same military commanders on the ground in Iraq, the same CIA, FBI, etc.. and Mr Kerry has gone to great lengths to tell America that these people suck at there jobs.
On Tuesday you will see that America is not as gullible thee
Bush will win by a landslide, Mr Kerry will sue!
The democrats will be crying for the ACLU