Welcome assistance from the man who converted Gadahn to Islam, and was later assaulted by him. From FoxNews, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
GARDEN GROVE, Calif. — The director of a California mosque told FOX News on Friday he believes the man threatening the United States on a mysterious videotape is that of a young American he converted to Islam.Haitham Bundjaki, the Orange County imam who converted Adam Yahiye Gadahn to Islam and whom Gadahn later assaulted, told FOX outside his mosque on Friday that it sounds like Gadahn on the tape.
The FBI believes the 25-year-old Southern Californian has possible ties to Usama bin Laden's terror network Al Qaeda.
Question: do young men join terror groups for the glamor of it all? Was there any other life path that Adam Gadahn could have chosen that would have made him the top story on international news? Of course, most terrorists don't ever play this role, but even the incessant beheading videotapes suggest that there may be a bright-lights-big-city aspect, and/or a sense of joining in a significant, important, and dangerous work, in what attracts recruits to terror groups.
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
dby, http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003698.php
Cross:
" why would any enemy want to scare a population that holds tens of thousands of incredibly deadly nuclear weapons "
That was a rhetorical question, an answer to it was not necessary. The meaning of the sentence is that it is foolish to provoke a Military power that possesses an overwhelming destructive capacity.
I'll have to grab a snack and attempt to converse with you on your other points.
Posted by: cross at October 29, 2004 02:50 AM
COULD IT BE THEY BELIEVE AND FOR YOU NEA SAYERS THINK ABOUT THOSE WHO WARNED ABOUT 9/11 OTHERS LIKE SAID COULD NEVER HAPPEN
THE REASON IN ENGLISH IS THEY ARE NOT GETTING THEIR SCARE THROUGH CAUSE WE REDNECKS DON’T UNDERSTAND ARAB SPEAK??
CROSS JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND ONE MORE TIME THEY WANT TO DIE??
Qur’an 6:66
“The people reject this (Book) and call it a lie though it is the truth. Say: ‘I am not a warden over you.’ ...When you see men who meddle with Our Revelations, turn away, withdrawing from them. Satan makes you forget.
NOW YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHAT THE HELL IS THE REVELATIONS??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DEFEAT ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO APPLAUDED AT KERRYS RALLY ABOUT OUR TEAM [MILITARY] GETTING BLOWN UP WITH EXPLOSIES
Its funny because it is so fake.
It also smells like government.
Posted by: AmericanRebel at October 29, 2004 04:27 AM
ANOTHER AMERICA HATER YEA 9/11/2001 DIDN’T HAPPEN EITHER
pss
JUST SAW THE PICTURE OFubl and [still no see since 2001 dec] stage hollywood can see the blue line???
Japan our hearts are with you we are sorry for your loss may God ease the Pain and may we have Victory Amen
Posted by: Catherine at October 29, 2004 04:07 PM
Hello, Mega2004!
Are You ready to make a retraction?
Get your act together, with the rest of us.
heard he married a afghan woman kind of like Padiea marred a egpytian so these are guys who follow women!!
Seams the press once again is missing a big point and how ubl slamed other Arabs??
And he attacked the USA because we are Free People!!
Ubl did not have a problem with saddam[YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT I'M A COWARD] and his killing of over 300,000 Iraqi People?
Seams that they let the 7yr old go but no word if money was paid?
Could ubl be with the palis??? they like him?
As Bill Cilton said because I can!!
I think we need to Bomb every one of ubls houses and Factorys Because we can!!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL the Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Question: do young men join terror groups for the glamor of it all?
I would say so - it's something that brings meaning to their pathetic, meaningless, angry existances. Welcome to Nihilism.
Sure, you bet they join for the glamor! Face it, it offers a lot of hedonistic and nihilistic rewards. Look what a guy gets:
1. Unquestioned male domination
2. Polygamy
3. Pubescent wives
4. Cool robes and headwear.
5. Exotic sounding new name.
6. An all-emcompassing faith that gives them something to do every minute of the day and answers all questions.
7. Jihad--like joining the French Foreign Legion way back in the day.
8. An IDENTITY! No more lame middle-class weenie white boy stigma!
9. Probably some tax-free cash??
10. Bonus for blacks: Revenge on whitey, leverage for reparations? A real race war, finally?
How glamorous can you get?
But as a woman, frankly I am not all that excited about it. The girls who get into this must be pretty desperate for attention (that is if not actually coerced into by family).
Cassandra, I can understand how a misguided man could convert or "revert" as they say. But why would any woman choose to become a muslim? It confounds me.
How glamorous can you get?
Posted by: cassandra at October 29, 2004 06:12 PM
You get the gold star for the day but I really liked the trick or retreat TOO!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Defeat ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
so much for the religion of peace - this is one of the many reasons why all mosques must be under surveillance! They are not equivalent to houses of worship as a church, synagogue or temple are - they are the center of the muslim community where there is no separation of church and state - but show quite clearly that the church is the state!
jihan
Posted by: jihan at October 29, 2004 09:39 PM
so much for the religion of peace - this is one of the many reasons why all mosques must be under surveillance
wHO SAYS IT IS ABOUT PEACE IT IS ABOUT PIECE!!
The truth about what Mulsums believe??
Read and learn about the peace they bring to your door??
Tabari VII:148 “Amr said, ‘Let’s wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, ‘If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.’ So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, ‘By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.’ The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away.”
YEA HIDE AND THEN PONCE WE REDNECKS CALL THAT SUCKER PUNCH!!
Tabari VII:149 “I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, ‘Who’s there?’ I said [lied], ‘I’m a Banu Bakr.’ ‘So am I.’ Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: ‘I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.’ I said, ‘You will soon see!’ Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad.” Tabari
YEA KILL A MAN IN HIS SLEEP AND WE SEE THIS TODAY THEY ARE SAVAGES
AND ubl DID HE CRY ABOUT THE 300,000 IRQIS KILLED BY saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT I'M A YELLOW COWARD] NO HE DID'T AND DID HE CRY ABOUT ALL THE ARABS IN LEBEON KILLED BY THE SYAIRANS NOT!
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.”
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
THIEVERY & SLAVERY:
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V5B59N360 “The total number of Muslim fighters from Mecca who fought at Badr and were given a share of the booty, were 81. When their shares were distributed, their number was 101. But Allah knows it better.”
Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”
Tabari VII:65 “Allah’s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah’s possession. There was a similar number of dead.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
Ishaq:515 “Allah’s Apostle besieged the final [Jewish] community of Khaybar until they could hold out no longer. Finally, when they were certain that they would perish, they asked Muhammad to banish them and spare their lives, which he did. The Prophet took possession of all their property.”
Tabari VIII:128 “Khaybar was divided among the people who had been at Hudaybiyah.”
Ishaq:521 “Khaybar was apportioned among the men of Hudaybiyah without regard to whether they were present at Khaybar or not. The spoil was divided into 1,800 shares.”
Ishaq:521 “When the spoil of Khaybar was apportioned, the settlements of Shaqq and Nata were given to the Muslims while Katiba was divided into five sections: Allah’s fifth [which Muhammad was custodian]; the Prophet’s fifth; the share to the kindred [Muhammad’s kin]; maintenance of the Prophet’s wives [now there’s an honest report]; and payment to the men who acted as intermediaries in the peace negotiation with Fadak [which enabled the prophet to steal the entire spoil].”
Ishaq:522 “Then the Apostle distributed the booty between his relatives, his wives, and to other men and women. He gave his daughter Fatima 200 shares, Ali 100, Usama 250, Aisha 200, Bakr 100…. In the name of Allah—this is a memorandum of what Muhammad the Apostle gave his wives from the dates and wheat: 180 loads.”
Bukhari:V5B59N537 “Allah’s Apostle divided the war booty with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier.”
Bukhari:V5B59N541 “When we conquered, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.”
Tabari VIII:12 “When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, ‘Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 9:103 “Take alms out of their property in order to cleanse and purify them, and invoke Allah for them; surely this is a relief for them.”
Tabari IX:3 “Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.”
Tabari IX:13 “Abu Talhah alone took the spoils of twenty men whom he had killed.”
Ishaq:571 “I went up to a man and struck off his hand. He fell and I killed him while he was down. But I was too occupied with fighting to pay any more attention to him. So one of the Meccan Muslims passed by and stripped him. Then when the fighting was over and we had finished with the enemy, the Apostle said that anyone who had killed a foe could have his spoil. I told the Apostle that I had killed a man who was worth stripping but had been too busy killing others at the time to notice who had spoiled him. Abu Bakr said, “To Allah’s lions who fight for His religion go the spoils that come from their prey. Return the booty to the man who killed him.’ The Apostle confirmed Abu Bakr’s words. So I was given the property of the man whom I had killed. I sold it and bought a small palm grove with the money. It was the first property I ever owned.”
Ishaq:592 “The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘Muhammad, divide the spoil and booty of camels and cattle among us.’ They forced the Prophet up against a tree, and his robe was torn from him. Muhammad cried, ‘Give me back my robe. If there had been more sheep I would have given you some. You have not found me to be niggardly, cowardly or false.”
Tabari IX:31/Ishaq:594 “‘You have not found me miserly, cowardly, or a liar.’ Then he walked over to his camel and took a hair from its hump. Holding it aloft in his fingers he said, ‘Men, I do not have anything of your booty, not even as much as this hair. Just filth. And that filth is what is being given to you. So, bring back my cloak.’”
Ishaq:594 “The Apostle gave gifts to those whose hearts were to be won over, notably the chiefs of the army, to win them and through them the people.”
Bukhari:V4B53N373 “Allah’s Apostle got property and war prisoners and gave them to some people to the exclusion of others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, ‘I give to some people, lest they should deviate from Islam or lose patience.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among you own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor against me? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah?”
Tabari IX:37/Ishaq:596 “Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
Tabari IX:38 “In this year, the Messenger sent Amr to collect the zakat tax from Jayfar and Amr, the clans of Julanda and Azd.... He collected the jizyah from the Zoroastrians.”
Tabari IX:74 “Indeed, Allah has guided you with His guidance. If you wish to do well [capture booty], obey Allah and His Messenger. You must perform the prayers, pay the zakat tax, and give a fifth share of Allah’s booty to His Messenger. The required zakat is: from the land one tenth of that watered by springs and rain, and one twentieth of that watered by the leathern bucket. From camels, a milch camel for every forty camels, and a young male camel for every thirty camels. From sheep, one for every five camels; and from cows, one from every fourth… If anyone pays more, it is to his credit. He who professes this, bears witness to his Islam and helps the faithful [fight] against the polytheists, he has the protection of Allah and His Messenger.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
REMEMBER THAT THE SUDAN WAS GOING TO GIVE ubl TO CLINTON AND HE REFUSED AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND HIM SANDY BERGER[STUFF PAPERS IN PANTS] RICHARD HOLLABROOK,JAMIE RUBIN ALL COULD HAVE HAD ubl AND DIDN'T TAKE HIM BECAUSE THEY HAD NO COURT DATE??
SOME THINK HE IS IN IRAN??
AND WE HAVE THIS IN THE QURAN WHICH WIRKS FOR US!!
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says
He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Yes he has chosen the USA!!
And lets look at another part?
The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,
Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?
There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 30,000 who harbors ubls son and wifes??
Mussis Mussis everywhere?
Mussis Mussis do we care?
Mussis Mussis make a scare?
Mussis Mussis Beware?
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider KILLER
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DEFEAT ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Point of Interest or speculation; Has anyone noticed what appears to be possibly an ear ring thru the left eyebrow of the person reported to have made this tape. Look very closely at a blow up of the photo.
Catherine,
Please, will you stop posting such looooooonnnnnnnggggggg comments, and copying entire books. It's so annoying when you've already read them to have to scroll for what seems like an eternity.
Still love ya though!!!
Rikki:
Some people have NOT read them and this may be their first educational experience on this site.
When I was a newbie, nothing affected me more than seeing posts quoting islam's own vile words.
Funny how Mega2004 posts, but never responds. WEll, she is one troll who will hopefully Evaporate come Nov 3rd, when we hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the darkness at the DNC....