Sandro Magister in Chiesa on the Vatican, Turkey and the EU (thanks to Anthony):
ROMA – The Vatican has so far abstained from any official comment on the preliminary go-ahead given on October 6 by the European Commission to negotiations for the possible entry of Turkey into the European Union.The secretariat of state responds to private inquiries from diplomats that it has no preconceived reasons to oppose a decision by the European Union to admit Turkey, on the condition that the country respect stated democratic norms and guarantee more religious liberty, particularly for the Christian minorities, than is currently the case.
But opinions in the Vatican are clearer than the official position. Some are opposed, and a growing number of others are in favor.
RATZINGER'S "NO"
One source of opposition is a highly authoritative Vatican official: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
Ratzinger has recently voiced his opposition on two occasions: in an August 13 interview with "Le Figaro Magazine," and in a speech on September 18 to the pastoral workers of his titular diocese, Velletri, which was published in the Catholic newspaper of the Swiss town of Lugano, "Il Giornale del Popolo."
In both cases, he specified that he was expressing his own opinion, not that of the Holy See.
Ratzinger told Sophie de Ravinel of "Le Figaro Magazine":
"Europe is a cultural continent, not a geographical one. It is its culture that gives it a common identity. The roots that have formed it, that have permitted the formation of this continent, are those of Christianity. [...] In this sense, throughout history Turkey has always represented another continent, in permanent contrast with Europe. There were the wars against the Byzantine empire, the fall of Constantinople, the Balkan wars, and the threat against Vienna and Austria. That is why I think it would be an error to equate the two continents. It would mean a loss of richness, the disappearance of culture for the sake of economic benefits. Turkey, which is considered a secular country but is founded upon Islam, could instead attempt to bring to life a cultural continent together with some neighboring Arab countries, and thus become the protagonist of a culture that would possess its own identity but would also share the great humanistic values that we should all acknowledge. This idea is not incompatible with close and friendly forms of association and collaboration with Europe, and would permit the development of unified strength in opposition to any form of fundamentalism."
In his speech in Velletri, as reported by "Il Giornale del Popolo" and by a dispatch from the news agency ANSA on September 20, he repeated:
"Historically and culturally, Turkey has little in common with Europe; for this reason, it would be a great error to incorporate it into the European Union. It would be better for Turkey to become a bridge between Europe and the Arab world, or to form together with that world its own cultural continent. Europe is not a geographical concept, but a cultural one, formed in a sometimes conflictual historical process centered upon the Christian faith, and it is a matter of fact that the Ottoman empire was always in opposition to Europe. Even though Kemal Ataturk constructed a secular Turkey during the 1920's, the country remains the nucleus of the old Ottoman empire; it has an Islamic foundation, and is thus very different from Europe, which is a collection of secular states with Christian foundations, although today these countries seem to deny this without justification. Thus the entry of Turkey into the EU would be anti-historical."
There is much more. Read it all.
Why not encourage the secular state? This sounds a whole lot like merely more European xenophobia rather than a blow against the Islamization of Europe. Ratzinger lost me on this one as soon as he state that Europe is founded upon Christianity. Pardon me for pointing out that Jews fared no better under the Church than non-Muslims are doing in various Muslim countries.
I'm all in favour of keeping radical Islam on the run and making the entire world a safe place for people of all religions. I just don't think that's what Ratzinger really has in mind.
The general idea for Turkish ascension into the EU is economic cooperation and preventing Turkey from becoming an Islamist state which would once again threaten Europe.
Germany's plan to sell 300 tanks to Turkey suggests that Germany is willing to cede its security to an Islamic nation and has probably accepted Turkish EU entrance as inevitability. (see link below)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1359057,00.html
Despite all of the political diversions designed to placate a nervous public, Turkey along with its large Islamic population will become "European", ending the long quest begun by the Ottomans.
The 'alignment' argument is roughly along the lines of the previous thread where Mustafa Akyol implied that non-violent Muslims would turn to violence if they felt slighted. Either Turkey gets in to the EU, or "there's gonna be trouble". (Link below: Akyol/Spencer thread)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003562.php#comments
Trying to prevent Turkey from slipping into the hands of radicalism by welcoming them into the EU, may bring peace. But the peace likely is going to involve the cultural suicide of the native Europeans and all the violence and intolerance required to achieve the final transplantation of Islam onto European soil.
(Should Europe fear Muslims...a Muslims View...link below).
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_4139.shtml
Quite honestly, if Europe cares so little about itself that it fails to reproduce, and proudly struts its "post-Christianity", it deserves to go under and become the slum surrounded by desert that marks the rest of the Islamic world.
I'm not happy saying this (read the book of Lamentations), but God is not mocked. Amos tells us that the Israelites of old lusted after the astral and fertility gods of the Mesopotamians, so they went into Mesopotamian exile. Paul says that if God did not spare the natural branches of his olive tree, he won't spare those he grafted in.