...because Germany can't possibly bring itself to admit that the headscarves — and religions — in question might not be equivalent. Nuns don't want to take over the German government and impose a new system of government and laws upon the nation. Can German Muslims give a similar assurance? From the BBC, with thanks to Belisarius:
A German court has ruled that a regional ban on Muslim teachers wearing headscarves in state schools must also apply to Christian nuns, reports say.The south-western state of Baden-Wuerttemberg passed a law in April, preventing teachers from wearing Islamic-style headscarves.
But Germany's highest administrative court says the law must apply to all faiths, Der Spiegel magazine reports.
Last year, the Constitutional Court said states could ban headscarves.
No exceptions
"Exceptions for certain forms of religiously motivated clothing in certain regions are out of the question," the federal judges of the Federal Administrative Court wrote in their ruling as quoted by Der Spiegel, in an advance copy of its Monday issue.
A copy of the ruling was not available.
The court's decision means that nuns, who often work in state schools in the predominantly Roman Catholic Black Forest region of Baden-Wuerttemberg, will have to remove their habits before going into classrooms.
Of course, those weak-kneed Western European entities have long ago lost The True Faith and will soon lose everything else besides. It truly makes me nauseous to see the Germans equate my Faith with that of the Mohammedans, the same scourge that has been at war with Christianity and with Europe since it laid barren everything in its path. You have to give it to those Mohammedans though; they surely know how to use the laws of a corrupt nation to bring about their ultimate triumph in the West. Except for a few small clandestine pockets of Christians, Christianity will soon cease to exist.
On that note I do have 2 reflections. One, Our Lord Jesus Promised that He would preserve His Church, The Holy Roman Catholic Church, until the end of time, and further He Promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. And secondly, I see Our Lord using the Mohammedans as His tool of chastisement against all Christians, as He has allowed their rampage since this scourge first erupted from the heresies of an awful man named Mohammed in the 7th Century.
Maybe, just maybe, this is the wake-up call that the West needs. In any event, it will soon be awakened one way or another!
Nice to know that all of the other Christians, such as the Copts, Orthodox, Lutheran, et al aren't going to be preserved. Think maybe it was just this exclusionist attitude, not to mention the sacking of Constantinople, that enabled the Mohammedans to dominate the Middle East for 1300 years? Just a thought.
Isn't multiculturalism wonderful? Won't the world be a nice, peaceful, and idyllic place when Christianity has been eradicated? Evil, nasty Christianity, the bane of mankind will soon be a fading memory.
The Europeans will be so much happier when peaceful, benevolent Islam fills the void. How can the Germans be so blind and submissive?
It seems to me that nuns would fall into a category similar to priests and pastors, who wear distinctive garb to identify themselves as clergy. Muslim females wear hijabs to identify themselves as muslims. There is a huge difference.
How sad that a few million muslims in Germany will cost the Germans their identities,traditions, heritage, and culture. I sure hope they're worth this enormous sacrifice.
Hiking in the black forest one day I met this nun named, uh, Sister Helga, who evidently knew this band of wacked out traditionalist priests led by this guy, uh, Father Schwartz Mund, and I swear to God, Sister Helga, whom I would trust with my last hundred dollars, said that Father Schwartz Mund and his band of psycho-Fathers were gonna bring back the Holy Roman Empire come hell or high water.
Now that just scared the crap out of me, so I ran down to the main police station in Munich and told some unarmed green cops all about it. And, I told them about Sister Helga and how she just scared me to death, even though she was an honest sort, and I asked them what in the hell they were gonna do about this Holy Roman Empire stuff. I mean, I could just imagine the 30 years war startin' up tomorrow and I wanted those damn cops to do somethin' about it. And they listened, and I think they were gettin' worried, too. Now I hear about this and I feel a little better. That was one bloody conflict that 30 years war and any Catholic that wants the Pope to run Germany ought to have his head examined...and I don't trust those priests. If they revolted those green cops wouldn't stand a chance, and to top it all off, there would be some damn nice breweries in Bavaria that would close down, and that would just really bum me out.
Let's unite to deny the Catholics their religious symbols so they don't take over and bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Come on folks! This ought to just scare the ever livin' crap out of you!
OT: good name for muslims: mosque-itoes.
In France five priests haven´t been allowed to go in a school for the anti-scarf law, it´s a shame comparing two religions, I ask me why don´t forbid the gas pickers up clothes or the plumbers, these laws are blind and deaf because the problem isn´t similar and if these countries don´t waste so money in developping islam and his costume, this things wouldn´t happen, I join to the petition of Catholic Crusader and greetings
Germany has the handicap of singling out another religion, the Jews, which even though it's the not the same, could inhibit them from taking action against Islam.
There is huge fallacy in the moral equivalence here that no one has picked up.
Nuns are member of religious orders.
Muslim women who wear the jihab are ordinary housewives.
Susanp has a good point, it's absurd to compare nuns as professionals with a life dedication to religion, and Muslim women who are all turned to kind of nuns except that along with God, they have to serve their Muslim husbands and sons.
The most self-destructive teaching of the (Western!) doctrine of multiculturalism is that it has become absolutely forbidden to prefer our own (that is, "Western": Christian, secular or ethnic European) cultural practices to those of the foreigners who have voluntarily come to West for protection, better social security and higher living standard. Who and when has "hijacked" the rhetorics of racism, antiracism and diversity so that preserving our own culture in our own homes (while offering equal citizenship and generous cultural rights to newcomers) has become equal with racism? What does this do to discussions on real racism? Does anyone know if there is any way to reverse this cultural masochism, to be able to protect even some bits of European and Western culture (and welcome those non-Westerners who appreciate this culture to come and join us) without being labeled racist, Islamophobe, cultural imperialist, crusader etc.?
I am Jewish and ENRAGED AT THIS.
The nuns have entirely different reasons for wearing this and should not be penalized because of Islam.
This is similar to what is going on in public schools in America now. The Muslims are demanding (and have received) halal (Kosher) food and even had all pork stricken from public schools menus!
If they want their kids to eat HALAL (or Kosher) food, they should do what the Jews have been doing for centuries - SEND THEM TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. Do not, NOT, impose on others your wishes for what all children should eat!
I should have the right to have my children eat PORK in public schools and NO PUBLIC SCHOOL should have to bend to THEIR RULES!
I'm patient. I'm waiting. I'll remind all of us here that the world is waking up. We've gone though a LONG learning curve, but it just about up. The sooner we wake, the better. Soon we will not have to fight this war with both hands tied behind our backs.
I CAN'T WAIT.
This
I am a Jew also and have no problem with nuns wearing a habit(isn't that what they are called?)
Muslims are taking their cues from the left in this country. Remember how right after 911 the leftist media rushed to announce that all Muslims weren't responsible for 911 -- it was only a few?
But Muslims are now the new discriminated against minority -- the new darlings of the left. Just ask the ACLU.
How come the left refused to give the same consideration to our soldiers in Iraq(Abu Ghraib) that they gave to Muslims after 911?
Anyway, I have never been threatened by a nun in a habit. But as a Jew I (we) seem to be consistently on the lips and minds of Muslims all over the world. Not my kind of "popular."
Michael Savage calls them" Hitler in a head scarf."
Perfect!
I don't remember seeing too many Nuns in my School's,will the ban include Catholic classrooms
that have Nuns as teachers
Franze: thank you for your kind words. I suspect that you are a European and I hope that means that there are still some Europeans like you who will not go gently into the night of dhimmi-hood in the new Eurarabia.
Eklektos: I don't make the rules but I believe completely in The Church's thrice declared dogma that Outside of The Catholic Church there is no salvation (ex cathedra nulla salus).
And dear JTF, Europe was GREAT when she was Catholic. Recall what Hillaire Belloc stated: Europe is The Faith (Catholic) and The Faith is Europe. The seeds of our current mess started in 1632 when Martin Luther nailed his theses to the church door in Wurtenberg. And yes, the ENTIRE World would be a much better place if it were voluntarily Catholic. It was The Holy Roman Church that provided the defense of Europe from the Mohammedans in centuries past. Now that she has been neutered (for the most part neutered Herself) the hordes of Mohammed have breached the secular walls. Simple facts here, my man! Read and digest The History of Europe. Regards...
But, of course, I am not really afraid of Father Schwartz Mund. The most damage he could do is turns the butts of those green German cops beet red with a ruler, which he wields with the skill of Zorro the Great; and they will beg for mercy on their knees on cobblestone streets. And then October Fest will go on, and we will celebrate, lust, drink, laugh, sleep, dream, and live, among other things. And neither the power of the Pope nor the ravings of Luther, who unquestionably stood in need of a Venetian lady, will stop us.
"Save your souls! Accept the Church (volunatarily...)!" says the crusader, who wants to bring us books and some good advice. "Surrender, be subjugated, or be killed" says the Mohammedian, who lusts for victory and power and the giddy frenzy of triumph.
Well, bring me your history books, bring back the crusades, and lets have a drink. Those German cops deserve a few smacks in the butt, anyway.
And let us never forget what led Luther to nail the wrong thing in the wrong place...
Isn't it amazing that laws, traditions and cultures that have lasted hundreds of years are all now under threat because of muslem immigration to OUR countries. Each wave of new immigrants to our shores were happy to become part of Europe, to share our traditions and not force theirs on us but suddenly we get this plague of islamists DEMANDING we take them in, DEMANDING we house them, DEMANDING we respect their "religion", DEMANDING we change all our ways to suit their laws. The time for patience and understanding has come to an end. We not only have to fight the invasive demands of the allah deathcult we have to fight our political and media elites who are forcing us (lets not forget we are the 350 million) to become dhimmis without a whisper of a protest. The liberals & the PC brigade are the new fascists, using laws and propaganda to make us accept an invader who would destroy our history
and reduce our once great continent to an ignorant, festering extension of the Arab wastelands across the Mediterraean. Wake up Europe ! It's still not too late. Remember what islam would take away, the churches, the opera houses, the night clubs, the bars, the pubs, the museums: the freedoms to say what we like, wear what we like, love who we like, worship who we like, eat what we like. All, all gone and we'd be left with shuffling crowds of oppressed women dressed from head to foot in mourning black, crowds of sour-faced muslim men, never the two mixing in public - all human impulses of joy, humour and creativity crushed under the jackboot of islam.And millions, the best and brightest, would flee to America and Europe would sink into third world apathy leaving America and China as the two dominant economic and intellectual powers in the world. And we would sink with islam to become a place that , like Arabia, would be nothing more than a waiting room for death - the ultimate goal of the faithful muslim.
Oh you Europeans never cease to amaze me. I now live in dhimmitude in a muslim nation (somewhere in asia) which happens to be an ex-colony, or a collection of European colonies to be exact. Thanks for letting the darn muslims live on and establish sultanates, governments, mosques, etc in your Christian colonies, when you could've (and should've) blasted every single last of 'em off the face of earth. Why oh why couldn't you the very least force them to convert under the musket? That would be just lovely. What happened to the Empire, from which the sun never sets? Yech, there's going to be more muslims than Christians in Christian Britain.
Now i'm laughing at you, cause you're reaping what you sowed some 500 years ago. I am now subjected to muslim laws, muslim tax, muslim dominance and muslim propoganda every day of my life. I just pray you guys dont end up like me, cause it's going to be a very sorry sight to see St. Paul's Cathedral converted into a giant ONION. Anyway that doesnt change a thing, I'm still bitter with your forefathers for not training their ship guns on and blasting each mullah to kingdom come when they could. That's what you get for being stingy with gunpowder.