Ali Dashti forwards some disturbing material from the Norwegian papers:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article889813.eceA bus of youths from Kristiansand was stopped by police en route to Venneslahallen, a short drive north. This chance action by police prevented a clash with 130 Vennesla teens who were waiting for the bus, armed with axes, knives and bats, newspaper Fædrelandsvennen reports.
"I see no reason to censor the facts. This could have ended in catastrophe," police lieutenant Hans Martin Skovly at Vennesla sheriff's office told the newspaper. Groups of kids from Vennesla have been close to open conflict with a notorious youth gang from Kristiansand, and this episode occurred in mid-September. The band of 20 on the bus were also armed with bat, axes and knives, out to get the 'farmers' from Vennesla, Skovly said. The gang were unaware that they were on their way to meet a much larger mob with the same intentions.
Ali Dashti comments: "What this article doesn't say explicitly is that this is at least in part an ethnic conflict between some groups of immigrants and native Norwegians. This local newspaper for the city of Kristiansand tells so in several articles, here some brief summaries":
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/nyheter/kristiansand/article233506.eceA group of about 30 immigrant youth wanted to beat up an 18-year-old Norwegian. His father is worried, and is tempted to call for the formation of a vigilance committee in Kristiansand to combat the increasing frictions. He fears a "racial war" in the city.
According to newspaper sources, much of the trouble in the city comes from groups of immigrants teaming up to "get" other juveniles, especially native Norwegians.http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/nyheter/kristiansand/article233505.ece
According to these Norwegians from Kristiansand interviewed, some immigrants get aggressive even if you just look at them. They never do anything when alone, but if there are groups of them, they are frequently looking to make trouble. "I don't like these youths to come here and try impose their will on us. I understand that many of them come from countries with war, but they don't have to make war here" says one of the Norwegians.
Not a word-by-word translation, but a summary:
http://www.fsl.fi/index.php?action=news_enskild_sida&id=669&mall=nyhetsrubriker&news_category=1&category_id=004001
Sigtuna municipality becomes the first in Sweden to institute "multicultural holidays" for all school pupils. Huddinge will soon follow, and in the schools in Rinkeby, some days off will be rearranged to the end of Ramadan. Sigtuna's new holidays have raised the issue in other municipailties in Greater Stockholm with many immigrants. Johan Hellberg from Huddinge says that all children should be treated equally. If you are the only Muslim in a school, you should have the day off.
Some are debating whether the schools should be able to decide this themselves. Erik Nilsson, school leader for the entire Stockholm region, says that "on schools with many Muslims, absence is high during the final days of Ramadan. We need to adjust to a reality where the inhabitants have different religions."
I do hope the people are waking up there, although when I read Bearstrong I think it will take a lot to wake the people. There is an excuse for every act of terror ( " the guy was just mentally ill")
Nothing like a stinking unavoidable example to pull other EU nations outta their sleepwalking binge. Let one of these LLL countries sink first - norway, sweden whatever. Then, if the rest of Europe wakes up, well and good. If they don't, well, they don't deserve to be free anyway.
Freedom is not free. It has to be fought for.
"His father is worried, and is tempted to call for the formation of a vigilance committee in Kristiansand to combat the increasing frictions."
Vigilantism might not be that bad (from an admitted libertarian point of view), if it means prudent application of force by well organized citizens against an un-acceptable threat of violence on the community at large (hey, maybe we could get communitarians on board as well), and if the government is unwilling to confront the problem effectively.
Of course, such an approach would be absolutely illegal in a modern social democracy like Norway. Perhaps a model with elected local sheriffs and deputized-on-demand posses could help reconcile it. A sort of democratization of certain police functions, if you will.
Multiculturalists are the real racists
Mark Steyn- National Post - 31 August 2002
Last Thursday, in Sydney, the pack leader of a group of Lebanese Muslim gang-rapists was sentenced to 55 years in jail. I suppose I ought to say "Lebanese-Australian" Muslim gang-rapists, since the accused were Australian citizens. But, identity-wise, the rambunctious young lads considered themselves heavy on the Lebanese, light on the Australian. During their gang rapes, the lucky lady would be told she was about to be "f---ed Leb style" and that she deserved it because she was an "Australian pig."
But, inevitably, it's the heavy sentence that's "controversial." After September 11th, Americans were advised to ask themselves, "Why do they hate us?" Now Australians need to ask themselves, "Why do they rape us?" As Monroe Reimers put it on the letters page of The Sydney Morning Herald:
"As terrible as the crime was, we must not confuse justice with revenge. We need answers. Where has this hatred come from? How have we contributed to it? Perhaps it's time to take a good hard look at the racism by exclusion practised with such a vengeance by our community and cultural institutions."
Indeed. Many's the time, labouring under the burden of some or other ghastly Ottawa policy, I've thought of pinning some gal down and sodomizing her while 14 of my pals look on and await their turn. But I fear in my case the Monroe Reimers of the world would be rather less eager to search for "root causes." Gang rape as a legitimate expression of the campaign for social justice is a privilege reserved only unto a few.
Mr. Reimers, though, will be happy to know his view is echoed across the hemispheres. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape."
So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it." Or to modify Queen Victoria's wedding-night advice to her daughter: Lie back and think of Yemen.
France? Well, I can't bring you any ethnic rape statistics from the Fifth Republic because the authorities go to great lengths not to keep any. But, even though the phenomenon of immigrant gang rape does not exist, there's already a word for it: the "tournante" -- or "take your turn." Last year, 11 Muslim men were arrested for enjoying a grand old tournante with a 14-year old girl in a cellar.
Denmark? "Three quarters of rapes are carried out by non-Danes," says Peter Skaarup, chairman of the People's Party, a member of the governing coalition.
Well, you get the idea. Whether or not Muslim cultures are more prone to rape is a question we shall explore another day. What's interesting is how easily even this most extreme manifestation of multiculturalism is subsumed within the usual pieties. Norwegian women must learn to be, in a very real sense, less "exclusionary." Lebanese male immigrants, fleeing a war-torn wasteland and finding refuge in a land of peace, freedom and opportunity, are inevitably transformed into gang rapists by Australian racism.
After September 11th, a friend in London said to me she couldn't stand all the America-needs-to-ask-itself stuff because she used to work at a rape crisis centre and she'd heard this blame-the-victim routine a thousand times before. America was asking for it: like those Norwegian women, it was being "provocative." My friend thought the multiculti apologists were treating America as a metaphorical rape victim. But, even so, it comes as a surprise to realize they do exactly the same to actual rape victims. After the O.J. verdict, it was noted by some feminists that "race trumped gender." What we've seen since September 11th is that multiculturalism trumps everything. Its grip on the imagination of the Western elites is unshakeable. Even President Bush, in the month after September 11th, felt obliged to line up a series of photo-ops so he could declare that "Islam is peace" while surrounded by representatives of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an organization which objected, on the grounds of "ethnic and religious stereotyping," to the prosecution of two men in Chicago for the "honour killing" of their female cousin.
On this "Islam is peace" business, Bassam Tibi, a Muslim professor at Goettingen University in Germany, gave a helpful speech a few months back: "Both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms these mean different things to each of them," he said. "The word 'peace,' for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam -- or 'House of Islam' -- to the entire world. This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought." Only when the entire world is a Dar al-Islam will it be a Dar a-Salam, or "House of Peace."
On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. The "Muslim world" -- the arc stretching from North Africa through South Asia -- is economically, militarily, scientifically and artistically irrelevant. But, looked at through the prism of Norwegian rape or French crime, the idea of a Dar al-Islam doesn't sound so ridiculous. The "code of silence" that surrounds rape in tightly knit Muslim families is, so to speak, amplified by the broader "code of silence" surrounding multicultural issues in the West. If all cultures are of equal value, how do you point out any defects?
As I understand it, the benefits of multiculturalism are that the sterile white-bread cultures of Australia, Canada and Britain get some great ethnic restaurants and a Commonwealth Games opening ceremony that lasts until two in the morning. But, in the case of those Muslim ghettoes in Sydney, in Oslo, in Paris, in Copenhagen and in Manchester, multiculturalism means that the worst attributes of Muslim culture -- the subjugation of women -- combine with the worst attributes of Western culture -- licence and self-gratification. Tattoed, pierced Pakistani skinhead gangs swaggering down the streets of Northern England are as much a product of multiculturalism as the turban-wearing Sikh Mountie in the vice-regal escort at Rideau Hall. Yet even in the face of the crudest assaults on its most cherished causes -- women's rights, gay rights -- the political class turns squeamishly away.
Once upon a time we knew what to do. A British district officer, coming upon a scene of suttee, was told by the locals that in Hindu culture it was the custom to cremate a widow on her husband's funeral pyre. He replied that in British culture it was the custom to hang chaps who did that sort of thing. There are many great things about India -- curry, pyjamas, sitars, software engineers -- but suttee was not one of them. What a pity we're no longer capable of being "judgmental" and "discriminating." We're told the old-school imperialists were racists, that they thought of the wogs as inferior. But, if so, they at least considered them capable of improvement. The multiculturalists are just as racist. The only difference is that they think the wogs can never reform: Good heavens, you can't expect a Muslim in Norway not to go about raping the womenfolk! Much better just to get used to it.
As one is always obliged to explain when tiptoeing around this territory, I'm not a racist, only a culturist. I believe Western culture -- rule of law, universal suffrage, etc. -- is preferable to Arab culture: that's why there are millions of Muslims in Scandinavia, and four Scandinavians in Syria. Follow the traffic. I support immigration, but with assimilation. Without it, like a Hindu widow, we're slowly climbing on the funeral pyre of our lost empires. You see it in European foreign policy already: they're scared of their mysterious, swelling, unstoppable Muslim populations.
Islam For All reported the other day that, at present demographic rates, in 20 years' time the majority of Holland's children (the population under 18) will be Muslim. It will be the first Islamic country in western Europe since the loss of Spain. Europe is the colony now.
Or as Charles Johnson, whose excellent "Little Green Footballs" Web site turns up dozens of fascinating Islamic tidbits every day, suggested: "Maybe we should start a betting pool: Which European country will be the first to institute shari'a?"
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I beg your pardon!!!! I don't think so. Women in the West need to shoulder part of the burden for being raped by Muslim immigrants because they aren't used to burqa-wrapped women and thus Western women deserve what they get!! This is outrageous.
No, another of example of this immigrant group moving in a demanding that the host country change their ways to accommodate them. Prosecute them to the full letter of the law. If they are naturalized citizens they should lose their citizenship and be returned to the country of origin.
It's too bad that vigilante groups must be formed because the police and courts don't seem to be able to protect us.
Anybody remember the movie with Charles Bronson?
It had a vigilante theme.
"They never do anything when alone, but if there are groups of them, they are frequently looking to make trouble"
That's exactly how it goes. They rarely are alone. They get very empowered, obnoxious and dangerous in packs though. They hunt in packs. Hunt for helpless, lone victims. "Brave" men - typical Muslim method of attack. Note the recently beheadings - one tied up, helpless victim, and at least five armed "brave" jihadis. No one-on-one fight. No fairness. They couldn't handle a fair fight anyway. Fairness is not in their vocabularly. Just obnoxious demands and arrogance.
In organized packs they'll hunt lone women and subject them to the most degrading abuse over hours. In organized packs they'll gang up on a cop car that comes to their neighbourhood to check out a problem. A couple of cell phone calls, and they have a whole army of beligerent creeps there at the ready. Obviously they don't have anything better to do, like employment. At the beach, packs of these disgusting creatures will hurl abuse and indecent gestures at sunbathing women. Husbands and boyfriends of these women know better than to say or do anything, since these creeps are in packs. And they'll attack. They're disgusting. They don't know how to act decently. I resent their presence in our cities.
It seems as if the teens are much smarter than their parents.
They know the true face of Islam because they face it every day.
Exactly, Feralee. The barbarians have even penetrated to the eastern suburbs. My son had plenty of trouble with them when he was a teenager - and as you say, they were always in packs - if you have trouble with one, he runs off and brings back his 32 cousins.
In the 1980s, I recall Lebenese Christians (who have been part of Australian society for many years) warning everyone who would listen NOT to allow Muslims from the Middle East to come to Australia.
How right they were. But thanks to the ALP and its 'equality in immigration' policy, we can no longer keep undesirable ethnic or religious groups from emigrating to Australia.
Offhand, I cant think of a group that has contributed less than to Australia than Muslims. Maybe thats why they bitch and whine so much - perhaps deepdown, they know it themselves.