If the "sheikh of the slaughterers" is "guided by Allah," is it really non-Muslims like me who are connecting Islam with terrorism? And as for those (and they are legion) who think the problem is "fundamentalism," and that Christian and Muslim fundamentalisms are essentially equivalent, has any Christian group called Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell "apostle of the assassins" or "deacon of the destroyers" lately? From MEMRI:
The latest edition (#23) of the Al-Qa'ida-related journal Sawt Al-Jihad includes an article by Abd Al-Rahman Ibn Salem Al-Shamari praising the beheading of an Egyptian citizen in Iraq. The author emphasized that a Muslim is obligated to be loyal to his religion only, and not to his national identity or to his country, and therefore all non-believers are the same, regardless of whether they are Arabs. The following are excerpts from the article:(1)'Among Those Who Fell to that Happy Dagger were a Mighty Infidel Tyranny and an Idol Worshipped Instead of Allah'
"'May your hand be strengthened!' - so said all those who saw the video that showed the slaying of the Egyptian spy in service of the American army in Iraq - I mean all those of the true faith.
"You are wrong if you think that it was only the Egyptian spy who was slain. No, for among those who fell to that happy dagger were a mighty infidel tyranny and an idol who is worshipped instead of Allah; did you not see this as he was slain?!
"A spy has been slain, one spy among others, and the Jihad fighter [who slew him] has come closer to Allah by way of his [the spy's] blood. Yet what is the novelty in this lowly spy whose slaying we have seen these very days? The novelty, and we ask of Allah that there be more [like him], is that a spy has been slain, and this spy looked like an Arab, had an Arab name, and spoke Arabic! The novelty lies in the triumph of the faith in the one God and in the raising of the banner of 'There is no God but Allah' over and above all other allegiances, be they of ethnicity, language, identity, or nationality."
'Whosoever is the Enemy of Allah, We are His Enemy ... Arab or Non-Arab, Near or Far - They are All the Same'
"'You shall find no believers in Allah and in the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred. Allah has inscribed the Faith in their very hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit of His own. He will admit them to gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are the party of Allah, and Allah's party will surely triumph.'(2)
"There is only one criterion regarding the obligation of allegiance to Allah or the absence thereof, and this sole criterion is connected to Islam. Even if family relations, i.e. cousins, brothers, or sons [are involved] ... allegiance is only to Islam and enmity is only for its enemies; this is the path of the true party of Allah [ Hizbullah], which Allah has taken care to distance from the Shi'ite Hizbullat,(3) which colludes [with the enemy].
"In Iraq itself, the apostate tyrant Saddam Hussein stood at the head of the government of the Ba'th Party, whose famous slogan was: 'I believe in the Ba'th as the sole Lord who has no partner and in Arabism as the unrivaled faith.' Allah is exalted above the Ba'thists' vanities. This verse was written by a Ba'th poet and it is the most accurate description of the Ba'thists and their true faith and religion; for them Arabism is a religion and is the only criterion for allegiance or the absence of allegiance.
"In that same Iraq we learned a lesson in religion, a short lesson, [the amount of time] from the drawing of the dagger and the slitting of an apostate's throat until the raising of the dagger [after the act].
"But [the dagger] swooped and felled all of the ignorance [jahiliyya], as it [in the form of the slain] lay strewn at the feet of that Jihad fighter. The [dagger] was raised, and raised Allah's word, so that Allah's word would come out on top.
"And these are the lessons we learned: The collapse of the national identities. When these are opposed to the Shari'a [Islamic religious law] or attempt to rival it, and when they cause division among people and [provide a basis for] allegiances, then these national identities should fall, and Arab nationalism first and foremost.
"Monotheism and its obligations are prior to all other obligations, relations, or languages. Monotheism is the allegiance [to Allah], and Allah is He 'who made you into nations and tribes, so that you might get to know one another. The noblest of you in Allah's sight is he who fears Him most.'(4) But the infidel is an infidel whether he is an Arab or a non-Arab. He must be seen as an enemy. Furthermore, this is one of the fundamental principles of monotheism and one of the foundations of Islam.
"No wonder that we are learning this lesson in Iraq. For the Jihad fighters in Iraq had already taught us to oppose patriotism, national identity, and regional particularism, and they have set their sights on the collaborating government brought by the occupation, and they have shown us that which has brought pleasure to the believers [i.e. terrorist attacks]."
So the fight in Iraq is a fight for Islamic monotheism (tauhid) -- but of course, it has nothing to do with religion.
With Allah, all acts can be justified.
Sick, sick cult.
Sick disgusting cult that kills everyone who disagrees. As I have said before - this is the ideal Ideology for criminals, they can indulge in every sadistic act like Prophet Mohammed and smugly say 'This is the order of Allah.'
Islam is, in my estimation, the biggest threat to freedom and civil liberties the world has ever known, even greater than Hitlerism and Communism.
I wish there was an effective and coherent strategy for dealing with and mitigating this threat.
All I seem to see or hear is irrational venting.
Having said that, I take exception to the right wing exception that there is no commparison between Christian Fundamentalism and Islamic Fundamentalism.
There certainly is, for when it comes to social policy, so called family values, exclusion of categories of peoples, self righteousness and claims of being chosen. And even the desire to inhibit and limit speech.
Islam and Christianity have more in common than not. Not only historically, as dealing with infidels and heretics, but in the modern age as regards so called "social issues".
Must I quote the Bible (Old and New Testament) side by side with the Quran to point out the similarities.
When Pat Robertson blamed America's "liberalism" for Hurricanes, and Jerry Falwell blamed it for 9-11. I distinctly heard a Christian version of an Islamic fatwa.
I didn't hear either Pat or Jerry say that God was punishing Florida, with four hurricanes, for putting George W Bush in office. Doesn't Bush blaspheme everytime he says or infers he is doing God's work?
Giaour:
You Can`t have it both ways! You are reflecting that traditional left wing liberal blame America stance. You need to define which side represents the greatest threat to civilized society and take a firm and resolute position as to what you believe.
Do you make all your Christian findamental judgements on the these two prominant television ministers?
"All I seem to see or hear is irrational venting".
Giaour Oct 11.2004.
Do you think you are right to pass judgment and paint all the commenters with a braod brush hear on Jihadwatch as irrational? I think not!
If you would like your opinions to be respected than you should be fair and specific in your opinions of others.
The whole point is Giaour, is that islam is the BIGGEST threat . To go waffling on about fundamentalist Christians is just another smokescreen behind which the jihadists can hide. The idea of this site is to find out about, discuss and hopefully agree a way of dealing with the danger from islam NOT to constantly say "oh look at what Pat Robertson says."
In the first place islam is a cult not a religion in the second place it's not Christian extremists who are killing "infidels" in Sudan, Egypt, Russia, Indonesia, Philipines, Nigeria, Pakistan, Kasmir, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Spain .....If you have problems with Christianity vent your anger at another site , jihadwatch & dhimmiwatch are about dealing with public enemy number one - islam.
LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!!
Well, although I agree with you in part Mackie, I think trying to point out these things is counterproductive. Besides we are talking about now, today, in the modern world, what the hell do we do about the Jihad thing. Pat and Jerry aren't going to be insighting their folks to behead the fellow running the 7-11 in the name of Jesus. Robert Tilton has probably done more damage to Florida than any hurricane could but he just gets stupid people to send him their money. He doesn't ask them to murder while he's making those incredible faces he makes when he is wired in to Gawd. Their Islamic counterparts do. Big difference my man.
It does point out one of the more problematic things about this whole business. How can you get people to swallow the "its an evil religion" pill. If Islam were solely a political ideology there wouldn't be a problem with it. Everyone in the world would call it foul. Put the God and Religion stickers on it and it's a whole other ballgame.
f.g.
As we have said so many times here and on other sites, the difference between Christianity and Islam is day and night,literally. Anyone who would do the things that are required by Islam and call himself "Christian" would be in total disobedience to the teachings of Christ.
We can either hang together or we can hang separately,remember that to divide and conquer is a tactic that Islam uses effectively.
"Having said that, I take exception to the right wing exception that there is no commparison between Christian Fundamentalism and Islamic Fundamentalism.
There certainly is, for when it comes to social policy, so called family values, exclusion of categories of peoples, self righteousness and claims of being chosen. And even the desire to inhibit and limit speech."
Your argument is impotent.
Please list all the Christian murders against Jews and other non Christians in the last 50 years. Please include kidnappings, rape, tortures and beheadings, you know..'Christian Jihad'.
Please do not include Hitler because he was not a Christian and did not slaughter Jews out of religious conviction.
And leave out the Serbs and Croats because that is a different catagory entirely.
I'll leave you now so you can get busy ...
Don't know if I've done this properly but justamomof4 has posted this great list with regard to muslim propaganda in schools in Virginia (see article on dhimmiwatch). This is a chance for us all to let the ACLU and our children's educators know what we think of their position on islam.
Here are the e-addresses of some folks to contact starting with the VA ACLU:
ACLU of VA
Executive Director: Kent Willis
6 N. 6th Street, Suite 400
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: 804-644-8022
Current Herndon,VA School Board members are:
Chairman, Kathy L. Smith, Sully District, kathy.l.smith@fcps.edu
Vice-Chairman, Kaye Kory, Mason District, kaye.kory@fcps.edu
Braddock District, Tessie Wilson, tessie.wilson@fcps.edu
Dranesville District, Jane K. Strauss, Jane.strauss@fcps.edu
Hunter Mill District, Stuart D. Gibson, stuart.gibson@fcps.edu
Lee District, Brad Center, brad.center@fcps.edu
Mason District, Kaye Kory, kaye.kory@fcps.edu
Mt. Vernon District, Daniel G. Storck, daniel.storck@fcps.edu
Providence District, Phillip A. Niedzielski-Eichner, pneichner@fcps.edu
Springfield District, Catherine A. Belter, catherine.belter@fcps.edu
Sully District, Kathy L. Smith, kathy.l.smith@fcps.edu
Also adding the following as per suggestion
by: voletti
"The best way to pull this madness out of our schools is to get churches agitating to present christianity in schools as well... that will make the leftie defenders of this insanity backoff faster than kerry changes positions."
Send messages, make calls to the local churches and synagogues too:
Congregation Beth Emeth, Herndon, VA
(703) 860-4515
Church Of Jesus Christ Of Lds
2727 Centreville Rd, Herndon, VA 20171
Phone: (703) 793-0012
St Veronica Catholic Church
(703) 689-4409
info@stveronica.net
Mount Pleasant Baptist Church
2516 Squirrel Hill Rd, Herndon, VA 20171
Phone: (703) 793-1196
seberhart"@mtpleasantbaptist.org;mwillis@mtpleasantbaptist.org
Temple Baptist Church
(703) 437-7400
Pastor: davidpittman@templebaptistchurch.org
Assoc. Pastor: joemims@templebaptistchurch.org
Youth Pastor: jonstone@templebaptistchurch.org
Floris United Methodist Church
2730 Centreville Rd, Herndon, VA 20171
Phone: (703) 793-0026
Rev. Tom Berlin,Sr Pastor, tberlin@florisumc.org
Rev. Gordon Pruitt, Assoc.Pastor,
gpruitt@florisumc.org
Rev. Martha Real, Assoc. Pastor, mreal@florisumc.org
Trinity Presbyterian Church Web Site
651 Dranesville Rd, Herndon, VA 20170
Phone: (703) 437-5500
And the Herndon VA media outlets:
Observer Newspaper
1043 Sterling Rd # 104, Herndon, VA 20170
Phone: (703) 437-5886
editor@observernews.com
Times Community Newspapers
13873 Park Center Rd, Herndon, VA 20171
Phone: (202) 478-6666
Washington Families Inc
485 Springpark Pl # 550, Herndon, VA 20170
Phone: (703) 318-1385
editor@familiesmagazines.com
Anyone care to format a letter?
Posted by: justamomof4 at October 11, 2004 12:49 PM
But, as I just read in an article about Islam written for children on a Boston Unitarian website:
To which I responded:
"Really? Ever try to open a church in Saudi Arabia? The Saudis, on the other hand, are opening fundamentalist Wahhabi mosques all over the world. How come we have to be tolerant but they get a pass? It seems rather lopsided to me. Furthermore, have you read about the actual lives of Christians and Jews under Islam? The myth of tolerant Islam is a pernicious lie.
"I realize the page in question on your website is designed for children, but given the realities of the situation I find it does no service to our young people to sugarcoat Islam in the interests of 'political correctness' or 'multiculturalism.' It's all very well to respect other cultures, but what if they by their very nature are disinclined to respect yours?
"It is the promulgation of feel-good, wishful-thinking pablum like this that made me leave the Unitarian church."
I also recommended they check out this site, much good may it do them.
How can the Western world read pronouncements like this day after day and not wake up to the danger?
This for Giaour:... Maybe you need to be reminded that the BAGHDAD CUT THROAT is not reading from the bible just before he butchers innocent human beings bound hand and foot. Your argument just doesn't wash here pal.
"Islam and Christianity have more in common than not."
Tell you what, go live in Saudi Arabia for one year, then come back and tell me how Islam and Christianity have much in common...
Moose
Re: justamomof4...
"Anyone care to format a letter"
Hugh would certainly get my nod on this call, the guy is a word meister.
Hey Giaor, as one of those evangelical Christians that you say are not any different then Islamists, please point out those passages in the Greek Bible that advocating forcing people to believe the way I do, killing ex christians, beating women and so forth??
Please list them.........oh wait a minute....you can't because they don't exist and Christianity and Islam are Night and Day in difference.....only a liberal know nothing idiot would try and morally equivicate between these two belief systems...
Remember Giaor, you have your freedoms because of our Judeo/Christian faith that established our Western Civ......
Thankfully, even most radical secularists, are not this stupid and realize that Islam stands alone in savagery and that Christianity has been OVERWHELMINGLY A force for the good and positive!!
Devon Hill
Proud Darul Harbian
The islamic sons of satan do have things in common with Christain and Jew as the one who invented it,mohamed took parts of both Christain and Jewish religion and added his butcherous ideas to control his people.Religions were created by men as The Great Spirit did not create them but he watches over all good men.The good people of the world must unite or the sons of satan will destroy us all.
Onewhowalkstall
American of the Mohawk Nation
The same was true for Christianity, in the past. Many were murdered in the name of Christ.
Let's not forget that. However, Christianity has changed (Thank God)alas Islam is incapable of change since it is, according to a Shaykh I met on the internet "Writ in Stone".
Albinon Kemaste, et al.
When it comes to differentiating Islam from Christian Fundamentalism, you focus solely on how Islamics are manifesting their so called beliefs and family values.
I am not throwing up any smoke screen for the Jihadists. On another forum I bear the proud label of the worst enemy Islam has, a real Islamophobe.
Having said that. If you look at the attitudes of Islamics as regards social matters and social structures the parallels between Islam and Christian Fundamentalism are striking.
My background. Besides being an old "fart", I am a Goldwater Conservative, baptised Southern Baptist, converted to Roman Catholic (Traditionalist) and have since deconverted.
I have also been studying Islam from it's core scriptures, as well as The Arab Mind by Raphael Patai, Muhammed by Maxime Rodinson, even the Shi'is of Iraq, and many others.
I don't speak lightly or from my cuff.
But take notice of this observation please.
In your admancy, your stridency, your self righteousness and faith.. you are not any different than the Islamic.
Albertanator you sound just like the Islamics who argue with me, by calling me dismissive names.
Anyone who disagrees with you, or hauls you under the microscope is a know nothing liberal.
Islamics call me an Islamophobe and cryptoJew.
Parellels between Christianity and Islam.
Well there are 613 rather ugly, vicious and irrational commandments in the Old Testament, in a book called The Laws, and Jesus said he did not come to set aside the laws. He also said "That which others would do unto you, do also unto them, so sayeth the Prophets so sayeth the Law (Leviticus), which says "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
Jesus also said in Matthew 10. Do not think that I came to bring peace, I did not I came to bring a sword, to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, etc..
One can quarrel all day along about exigis and eisegis.. but the words are there.
As regards misogyny and the status of women.
l Cor ll:3. Christ is head of the man and the man is head of the woman.
11:8, For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man. For indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but a woman for the sake of a man.
l Cor 14:34, Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, .. if they want to learn anything let them ask their husbands.
That is exactly the situation in Islam and the Mosques.
Then Muhammad says stone adulterers, and so does your Bible (Leviticus).
And it also says that you can acquire slaves from the pagan nations around you, as does Islam (Leviticus 25:44)
And a woman who gives birth to a female is impure for twice the period of time than a woman who gives birth a male.
But you will say that the Old Testament was null and void with Jesus (but I proved you wrong above, when he said twice that the Law applied and even invoked it).
However even though you will say the old testament is null and void, Christians still flip it open, cut and paste phrases that are convenient and suit them.
No, Christians don't blow up things or kill infidels anymore, thank God, but Islam and Christianity are still fruits of the Jewish tree.
And thus share all too much in common, as regards values.
Christian Reconstructionists are not even bashful about stoning adulterers, gays, apostates and less than faithful Christians either, if you have ever read Gary Norths Christian Economics or Rushdoony's self righteous babble.
Giaour, I do not know what to say except that I just despair that you can't see that your battle is not with Christians or Jews. I know we can't change your mind about things but neither can you change our minds about our faith. I just believe everyone here should be treated with respect.
Wake up people and stop fighting each other over religion.Religions are man made,but there is only one Great Spirit(God to Christains and Jews).The priests and missionaries tried to pound Christain religion into my people.I hold no malice toward those people who said the beleifs of my ancestors was wrong.The fact is all good people beleive in the Great Spirit.We must unite as good people to fight the disease of the moslem sons of Ohdowas the evil one.
Onewhowalkstall
American of the Mohawk Nation
Kemaste Carolyn2 et al. I don't want to turn this into some stupid flame war, so this is my last word on the subject.
I can well understand your need to disavow
Hitler's Christianity
However be advised that Islamosaurs also disavow the Osama, Zarqawi and others of his ilk.
Embarrassed by the acquaintance, they disavow the acquaintance. Tis all too human.
Carolyn2: I totally agree with your statement that if we don't hang together we will hang seperately,however my complaint is with the self righteous (and ignorant) Christians that "demonize" anyone who doesn't believe as they believe and sweep others under the table as "liberals", which has become an epithet with no meaning, except as a surrogate for devil or some such.
Myself I'm a constitutionalist "liberal", which makes me a conservative liberal, but those labels are meaningless in todays culture.
Meanwhile I refuse to shun, drive out or demonize allies (like "liberals") because frankly we need every ally we can get, calling people names and slamming the door on them is not productive or building alliances, besides I have found nothing in "liberals" to fear, most just need education, as do "conservatives".
We are divided and conquered by allowing others to define us, and then buying into those definitions.
Cheers,may victory against the Jihadists be ours.
Liberal and conservative alike.
This for Giaour again....
Giaour your argument is totally off the mark here. For all you profess to know about Islam and the Bible and making comparisons is invalid. Few if any commenting here are Bible thumping.No one is attempting to champion christianity by beating the Bible drum, and it doesn't matter a wit what the old testement might have said,it's ancient history. The truth is, modern christianity does not glorify murder,stoning of women to death,etc. The discussions here have to do with the dangers we in america and for that matter the rest of western civilization are now facing from a psychotic hoard of barbarians with an ideology rooted in a dark ages religion. For me I don't need any lessons in Islam, I got a really good one on September 11, 2001, And thank you I don't need any more. I don't want to try to understand that vulgar religion or the vulgar psychopaths who practice it. I want to know how the hell I can keep them from killing any more of my fellow countrymen.You sir are just part of what is often discussed here, in that you and your thought process is part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Giaour: I don't like christianity or Judaism either. In fact, if neither of those religions existed, then Islam probably wouldn't exist either, since Islam is a rip-off of both of them.
But Islam is far far worse then either christianity or Judaism at the moment. Neither christianity nor Judaism will take over the world, but Islam will.
I should have said that Islam will if we allow it to.
God, what horrific bloodthirst! "Happy Dagger"? "Sheikh of Slaughterers"? They're not exactly subtle, are they? The message is clear. Slaughter, blood, murder, slay, kill, and feel really good about it when you do that. And you'll get wonderful rewards for doing so. Sick isn't a strong enough word.
If a Christian even said these things, let alone did them, the difference is there would not be one iota of support from other Christians. This person would be condemned from every corner, tried and convicted. Not encouraged. Not promised rewards. If Muslims acted the same way, the slaughter would stop. But they don't act the same way because this is Islam. It is all about slaughtering and slaying. Today. Not a thousand or hundred years ago. But today. Now.
I stumbled across a website the other night that was quite a shock. I was researching various names for Satan, and this site was in the list. It is unbelievable! www.theocracywatch.com
Maybe some of you are familiar with it; I sure wasn't! It is always amazing to learn what the left is thinking.
www.theocracywatch.com
Sorry, that's www.theocracywatch.org
Giour, by your rebuttal you show yourself to be even a greater idiot and you are only digging your hole a little deeper........you have obviously been well taught by your liberal teachers and prof with the lies of the Left!!
Your exegesis is appalling......only matched by your ignorance!!
Next thing you'll be telling us is that Hitler was a 'christian'...
From a mocking Darul Harbian
http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/12/op.htm#3
This is what a 'liberal newspaper' says in this country which is a key ally on the war on terror.
Imagine what Urdu newspapers say.
here are the sites for the terrorist groups:
http://www.kataebalaqsa.com/-(Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade)
Orientation:Arafat-Fatah-PLO
Offically terrorist -- on the U.S. State Department list. Targets Israeli civilians. How did the brigades react to being added to the U.S. list of foreign terrorist organizations? A communiqué from the group called the designation "an honor." Among the documents seized in a raid on Arafat's headquarters was an invoice from the al-Aqsa Martyrs asking for reimbursement for, among other things, explosives used in bombings in Israeli cities. Click to see what they accomplished in just one month, March, 2002 Also see listing for: http://www.kataebalaqsa.org/, http://www.kataebalaqsa.com/, http://www.fateh.tv
http://www.palestine-info.info-(Hamas)
Orientation:Hamas
Official site of Hamas.
http://www.nasrollah.org/-(Hizb Allah)
Orientation:Hizbollah
The Home Page Of The Representative Of The Imam Khamenii In Lebanon. In a 1998 speech by Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah on the occasion of the Shi'ite 'Ashoura holiday. Nasrallah regretted that the holiday fell "on the 50th anniversary of the bitter and distressing historical catastrophe of the establishment of the state of the grandsons of apes and pigs - the Zionist Jews - on the land of Palestine and Jerusalem." He closed his speech with these words: "... We reaffirm the slogan of the struggle against the Great Satan and call, like last year: 'Death to America. To the murderers of the prophets, the grandsons of apes and pigs,' we say: ... 'Death to Israel...'"
http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org
An Islamist site that particularly aims its message to the outside world is that connected to Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Islamic Liberation Party. Their first UK-based site was hosted by Imperial College London, but following complaints to the College authorities the site was closed down temporarily until a new host could be found. They now post in their own name as Hizb ut-Tahrir, and as Khilafah, providing Internet-based access to their hard-copy material, their literature and their regional activities. Al Muhajiroun (The Emigrants) whose UK leader, Omar Bakri Mohamed, was the founding leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Britain
http://www.qudsway.com-(Palestinian Islamic Jihad)
Orientation:Palestinian Islamic Jihad
PIJ is a listed terrorist organziation ICT profile of Palestinian Islamic Jihad Recent attacks by Palestinian Islamic Jihad
http://www.kavkazcenter.com
Orientation:Kavkaz
Official site of the Chechen jihad.
http://www.shareeah.org/-(Spawn of Finsbury Park Mosque)
Orientation:Spawn of Finsbury Park Mosque
Web site of Abu Hamza Al Masri, under indictment in the US and Yemen for terrorist-related activity. Primary purpose of site appears to be to encourage participation in Islam-inspired violence, aka Jihad. The site now serves as a portal for Albanian, Swedish, Bosnian, Arabic and English sections.
http://www.islam-qa.com-(Salafyist/Jihadist)
Orientation:Salafyist/Jihadist
Ask the Imam -- Is it OK to have SEX with my SLAVES? An excerpt:
* It is rare nowadays to find slaves in the shar'i sense in which it is permissible to be intimate with them etc. That is because most of the Muslims have long since given up the obligation of jihad for the sake of Allaah, in addition to their position of weakness and humiliation before their kaafir enemies, so that many of the majority-Muslim nations have signed the protocol that expressly forbids slavery and strives to put an end to it, which was agreed upon in the United Nations in 1953.
* And Allaah knows best.
http://www.et.4t.com/-(Caliphist/Jihadist)
Orientation:Caliphist/Jihadist
AKA et.4t.com, the 'et' stands for East Turkistan Site of Uygur Islamists, Qaida-allied forces based in Xinjian Province, China. It's difficult to present information about what these folks have done within China since, until very recently, Beijing denied that it was combatting an Islamist insurgency. However, it is no accident that Uyghurs are found among the detainees at Gitmo. These people share the goal of Hizb ut Tahrir of establishing a Caliphate in what they call Greater Turkestan, with Xinjian being the eastern-most portion of the targeted region, however we know of know direct link between the two though we would not be surprised to find that HuT is at work amongst the Uyghurs both inside and outside of China.
We should check these sites out regularly.
Sorry, I should have spaced the link from the name of the group better.
You can see excerpts from the magazine at
www.siteinsitiute.com
Anniversary Issue of Sawt al-Jihad
The 25th issue of Sawt al-Jihad begins with a reflection on the “glorious successes” of the global jihad in the year since the inception of the magazine. This issue features a summary of Ayman al-Zawahiri’s speech on the occasion of the third anniversary of September 11th. Analysis of current events focuses on the assassination in Riyadh of a British communications engineer, condemns the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar for showing sympathy with the victims of September, and notes the U.S. inclusion of Saudi Arabia on the list of countries of concern with respect to freedom of religion.
Here is where Giour got his anti-religion info:
This alone speaks volumes ...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/index.htm
and the Links therein:
http://www.aclu.org/
http://www.atheists.org/
Atrocities in Jesus' name: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tinq.htm
Air America Radio (find a station near you): http://www.airamericaradio.com
Michael Moore: http://www.michaelmoore.com
MoveOn.org: http://moveon.org
Out Foxed: http://www.outfoxed.org
The Progressive: http://www.progressive.org
Take Back the Media: http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/index.php
TruthOut: http://www.truthout.org
Yellow Times: http://www.yellowtimes.org
Who would you rather live with:
1,000 muslims who became christians?
or 1,000 christians who became musim?
Excellent and perceptive post, Valknova!
Whenever I bring up the question of Islam with friends and family, someone will always say:
"Yes, but Christian fundamentalists are just as bad..." which is a whole other conversation.
We have to try and get away from the Islamic threat being perceived just in basic religious terms - Christianity Vs Islam. This is a threat against all sections of our society from the spiritually-minded to the materialistic majority.
People have to start seeing the conflict as Islam Vs the rest of the world - and that includes not just Christians of all denominations but also Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists,
Confucians, and of course agnostics and atheists. In effect, a Coalition of Humanity.
BTW Valknova - you mention that the Muslim population in your area of the UK has reached 35% of the total. Remember that the Muslim population of Bosnia was only 40% (the others being Orthodox Christians, R.C.s and Jews) when they tried to enforce Sharia law on the rest of the population!
kick them out now. the NF suddenly seems attractive to me....where do i vote?
Muslims aren't a race so how does one become racist for telling the truth?
This is a big problem.
That Muslims use this canard of racism everytime someone criticizes the fruits of Islam. They get away with it because of disasterous political correctness, moral eqivelance and the feminization of our society. Have you ever been to the CAIR or Islamonline websites? It's all about victimization.
I saw a blubbering Muslim convert on TV saying she had to take off her hijab when she was arrested. Now she's filing suit - "It was the worst day in my life. It was the same as if they told me to take my blouse off."
Do you mean to tell me that she should be allowed to leave it on while all others must strip because she is more special than all others?
Just like that case that's pending in Florida about the woman (again a convert)not wanting to expose her face for her driver's license photo. That's all we need -- men and women in this country comitting crimes with a nifty head covering that obscures their identity. All with the consent of our suicidal society.
We must never make Muslims answer for their crimes and conspiracies. That wouldn't be polite or correct. We need to recognize their superiority, piety and know our place. When they murder we need to admit that's it's not their fault -- it's for 'a good reason' in response to oppression and injustice from society. Because they are Muslim.
Let's do what the left wants us to do - let's surrender to the Muslims after abolishing Christianity and Judaism from our country -- for 'peace' and the good of all.
Giaour
I read your post and your re-post... I really see now how Islam and Christianity are so similar I cant see a difference... Thank you so much for opening this infidels eyes, what would I have done without your expertise in Christendom. Thank you so much....
Crazy Lefties.... They think we dumb...
Those poor dumb bastards....
No Islam, Know Peace
Yeshua Ha’Mashiach
Valknova wrote -
"Personally, I believe Islam contravenes many UK laws, including "inciting racial hatred", paedophilia laws, and certainly promoting 'domestic violence'. As such, I think Islam in the UK should be outlawed as a far right hate-group (just like other far-right groups),with all the mosques/islamic bomb-banks closed down just like the nazi-groups got shut down for having similarly intolerant right wing views."
These are very good points and may be the way to tackle the problem in the UK. The islamists' weak point in their contempt for other immigrant groups in the UK. Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews etc all have problem with muslims. In fact, many of these immigrants fled to the west because of violent persecution by muslims in their homelands. A case in point is the Christian Somali family that lived next door to my gf on a West London council estate. They came to England because the husband had actually been shot for being a Christian (he recovered.)
Our dismal politicians are all too PC to see the situation objectively - but I think it can only be a matter of time before the number of 'honour' killings, rapes, terrorism and violent assaults on non-muslims make the PC stance indefensible.
Blunkett's ill-advised 'Religious hate' law (which seems entirely devised to protect muslim over-sensitivity) is surely nothing more than a
delaying tactic to postpone the inevitable.
The parallels between Christian Conservativism and Islam.
Trying to make sense with believers is like pissing in the wind.
There is no amount of facts,logic, reason that will make a dent.
I noticed that character Bar's response, actually sarcastic.
He signed
Yashua Ha" Maschiach
or Jesus the Messiah (although not literate to a great degree in Hebrew and Arabic I do have some knowledge of both).
What is the difference between
the self righteous and mutually exclusive claim of
Jesus the Messiah
and
Allahu Akbar?
Actually none.
Yeh, Islam is the current greatest threat, but that doesn't mean that I should embrace Fundamentalistic Christianity either.
I can't abide the Manichean mindset, nor do I embrace the lesser of two evils mindset either, nor the Churchillian enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Which religion exhibits the following characteristics
l. Elitist
2. Self Righteous
3. Mutually exclusive
4. Intolerant of unbelievers
5. Misogynistic
6. Homophobic
7. Theocratic
a. Islam
b. Christianity
c. Judaism
d. All of the above
Answer: All of the above.
Of course the Christoids will come back with "Chistians don't kill infidels or engage in Holy War"
True...not today, but they did "yesterday", and for sure they will in the future when they have sufficient power. As regards Holy War, the Fundamentalist war with Islamosaurs is not a fight for civil liberties and freedom, it is in itself a Holy War.. The Battle for God, their God v the Islamic God.
Christian Reconstructionism the Foundation of Modern Conservativism
Christian Reconstructionism is a little heard of religious philosophy that preaches that every aspect of society must come under biblical law. In their view, secular governments are in opposition to the word of God, and therefore they seek to eliminate all legal barriers between church and state. Founded in 1973 by R.J. Rushdoony, it has had wide influence in the modern Republican party. The overriding goal of Reconstructionism is the absolute control of the reigns of government so that the world may be properly prepared for Jesus's return, and that achieving this goal will demonstrate the fulfillment of God's will.(Link)
Doesn't this sound just like the Muslims, just substitute Allah for God?
And read the rest of the above link as regards how these Conservative Christians would treat Civil liberties, environment, et al.
First, Reconstructionists believe that God should be at the center of every activity, not just spiritual ones. Faith should be applied to art, education, and politics "no less than to church, prayer, evangelism, and Bible study."
Second, Reconstructionists are theonomists (theonomy: "God's Law"), meaning that laws are only righteous and just when they follow what the Bible -- primarily the Old Testament -- says. Law should serve three purposes: 1) To make other people Christian, 2) To provide a standard set of rules for all Christians, and 3) to maintain civil order. This has several frightening implications. Reconstructionists believe that non-Christian religions will be suppressed, that women will have their political rights stripped away, and that a return to slavery would be fulfilling God's will.
Third, Reconstructionists do not try and rationally come to a conclusion about whether the Bible is true or not. They believe in its infallibility regardless of evidence or reason. The Bible, being (they believe) the word of God, is above questioning. Similar to fundamentalist Muslims who believe the only book of any import is the Koran, Reconstructionists believe the Bible is the ultimate arbiter in all disputes, minor or major.
Fourth, Reconstructionists believe in the imminent return of Christ and a kingdom in his name will be established. The Left Behind series of books by Daniel LaHaye are a good summation of this belief. This ties into their literal interpretation and absolute belief in the Bible: some interpretations of the book of Revelation in the Bible purport to predict such a future. Due to their belief that the world must first be prepared for Jesus's return, they zealously pursue their political goals.
Finally, Reconstructionists are Dominionists. In the context of modern America, this means "[t]hat every area dominated by sin must be 'reconstructed' in terms of the Bible. This includes, first, the individual; second, the family; third, the church; and fourth, the wider society, including the state. The Christian Reconstructionist therefore believes fervently in Christian civilization" (Link).This belief has its origins in Genesis 1:6: "Let [humankind] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." The overriding goal of dominionism is the absolute control of the government and environment, and that achieving this goal is the fulfillment of God's will.
Gary North, a LF Icon, is the son in law of deceased Rushdoony, In his book Victim's Rights, Rushdoony's son-in-law Gary North writes that stoning is a communal activity, something in which all the members of the family can participate. The purpose of this communal activity is to instill fear in the community so that if they deviate from the theocratic rules laid out by the elders, stoning would be their fate.
Reconstructionists also believe that "the Christians" are the "new chosen people of God," commanded to do what "Adam in Eden and Israel in Canaan failedt o do. . .create the society that God requires." Further, Jews, once the "chosen people," failed to live up to God's covenant and therefore are no longer God's chosen. Christians, of the correct sort, now are. Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law consciously echoes a major work of the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion.
In fact, Reconstructionists see themselves as the theological and political heirs of Calvin. The theocracy Calvin created in Geneva, Switzerland in the 1500s is one of the political models Reconstructionists look to, along with Old Testament Israel and the Calvinist Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Capital Punishment Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."
According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Rushdoony concludes: "God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them." Reconstructionists insist that "the death penalty is the maximum,
not necessarily the mandatory penalty." However, such judgments may depend less on Biblical Principles than on which faction gains power in the theocratic republic. The potential for bloodthirsty episodes on the order of the Salem witchcraft trials or the Spanish Inquisition is inadvertently revealed by Reconstructionist theologian Rev. Ray Sutton, who claims that the Reconstructed Biblical theocracies would be "happy" places, to which people
would flock because "capital punishment is one of the best evangelistic tools of a society."
And how does Christian Conservatism truly differ from Islam, the curious want to know