Report predicts deterioration in EU-Israel relations

Anyone walking in Paris, Rome or Berlin can understand why the EU is physically unable to adopt a sensible policy regarding Israel.

Their large Islamic populations create a potentially explosive (no pun intended)situition which is best controlled by towing the Arab line with regard to Middle East politics, specifically Israel.

Bat Yeór cannot be dismissed. She is absolutely correct in her analysis and as the new Eurabian entity continues to mature, it will become increasingly crystal clear that Europe as Bernard Lewis correctly pointed out, will one day soon, be Islamic.

The pathetic thing is, Europe is purposely, willingly and intentionally embarking down the road to the irreversable destruction of its heritage, all for economic gain and false assurances from the new masters of deception, the Islamic world.

And yet Israel in so many things is more part of Europe then any Arab hell-hole. But although even the briefest glimpse of Israel shows Israeli citizens dress like us, act like us and share our love of life our leaders side with the foulness that is islam. How did we allow this to happen ? Isn't it amazing that laws, traditions and cultures that have lasted hundreds of years are all now under threat because of muslem immigration to OUR countries. Each wave of new immigrants to our shores were happy to become part of Europe, to share our traditions and not force theirs on us but suddenly we get this plague of islamists DEMANDING we take them in, DEMANDING we house them, DEMANDING we respect their "religion", DEMANDING we change all our ways to suit their laws. The time for patience and understanding has come to an end. We not only have to fight the invasive demands of the allah deathcult we have to fight our political and media elites who are forcing us (lets not forget we are the 350 million) to become dhimmis without a whisper of a protest. The liberals & the PC brigade are the new fascists, using laws and propaganda to make us accept an invader who would destroy our history and reduce our once great continent to an ignorant, festering extension of the Arab wastelands across the Mediterraean. Wake up Europe ! It's still not too late. Remember what islam would take away, the churches, the opera houses, the night clubs, the bars, the pubs, the museums: the freedoms to say what we like, wear what we like, love who we like, worship who we like, eat what we like. All, all gone and we'd be left with shuffling crowds of oppressed women dressed from head to foot in mourning black, crowds of sour-faced muslim men, never the two mixing in public - all human impulses of joy, humour and creativity crushed under the jackboot of islam.And millions, the best and brightest, would flee to America and Europe would sink into third world apathy leaving America and China as the two dominant economic and intellectual powers in the world. And we would sink with islam to become a place that , like Arabia, would be nothing more than a waiting room for death - the ultimate goal of the faithful muslim.

Whoa! Son of Albion, you have just said it like it is. Wow. Who is or was Albion, by the way? Has the time of 'patience and understanding' truly come to an end? I think it will take a little more pain, a little more fear to awaken the Western mind to all the horror and misery that awaits us. But that time will come and all of our little daily preoccupations will seem trivial and foolish...
Remember, to Islamofacists everywhere, we, the infidels are all criminals because we refuse Islam and mindless worship of Allah, so we are all potential victims of execution via the daggar at our throats.

Very succinctly put, Son of Islam!

Not so much the 'jackboot of islam', though, as the 'smelly, dung-encrusted sandal of islam'!

Whoops! I meant 'Son of Albion'! Apologies for this dreadful smear!

Son of Albion

I hope you are writing to Charles Clarke about his inane idea of supporting the islamification of schools in England.

At the least all other religions should also be allowed to do the same.

Son of Albion, the description of the darkness of Islam descending on Europe is truly depressing. I often wonder if Muslims ever just want to "sit in the shade of their own olive tree" and just be happy. Surely depression is a big problem to them. Can you imagine being a woman in Islam? Going around as a black shapeless non-human, with no rights, not allowed to even leave the house without a man's permission. The thought that the Creator would be so displeased with his own creation that you have to cover it up from head to foot just doesn't make sense. And if their men can't contain their lust, how is that the woman's responsibility? Oh, I know all the Koran's supposed enlightenment on the subject, it just makes me mad to think of all the people in the world that don't question this. I just pray that Europe and the rest of the West don't let this darkness fall over them.

it makes one want to cry. The monster has come to devour us. Already we have had to make changes that once would have been unthinkable because they DEMAND. It's amazing how much influence a relative few of the monsters have had. It will be our own fault if we continue allow them to do so.

Patricia: even if a little more pain, a little more fear made westerns wake up, there are already too many muslims who vote, to make any difference anymore. It's too late to make political changes against Islam. Religious hate laws which will be passed in Britain soon, will make that an impossiblity. No politician will be able to pass anything against muslims when that happens.

I never thought that one day I would say this but; we need to have either a coup to forcibly get rid of muslims, or start an anti-Islamic uprising with fighting in the streets. Let's do it while they are still a minority.

Voltaire -

I'm sorry to say that the majority of people in the UK are not yet sufficiently aware of the threat to join in any uprising. This evening I was discussing the situation with a history professor and he scoffed at the very idea that Britain could ever become an islamic state. If intelligent, educated people can't see the danger, what hope of convincing the man in the street?

Seems like we have to continue the slow steady work of gradually spreading the word, talking to anyone who'll listen, forwarding news items from JW, sending emails, writing to papers, magazines, politicians and pundits.

I do sense a tiny crack in the PC facade. With every terrorist atrocity, beheading, honour killing and rabid threat from muslim clerics, more and more ordinary people must be asking themselves WTF is going on - and why the elected politicians we pay to defend our way of life aren't doing a damn thing to halt the relentless influx of people who wish us harm.

It might not be a bad idea either to build alliances with communities who have first hand experience of muslim intolerance and aggression -Christian refugees from Africa and the ME, Jewish people, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, apostates etc. Many of these people have harrowing tales to tell, and if they were told, it would undoubtedly have an effect.

Thanks Son of Albion!

I hope Hugh won't mind, but I paste here one of his prior posts that seems to fit the context and direction of this thread; that we must become fully aware of the cultural death that Islam brings to us:

DhimmiWatch, August 28, 2004 (sorry did not copy the story)

Posted By Hugh

"Mohenjo-Daro is simiilarly ignored by the Pakistanis. If one wonders why the Roman ruins throughout North Africa and parts of Syria and Lebanon have been largely left to ruin, it is because of the indifference, or hostility, of the Muslim population. Grave-robbing, the wholesale destruction of archeological sites, have gone on for centuries. Without Western archeologists, Western scholars, there would have been no Assyriology, no Egyptology, nothing. The Muslims are indifferent to their pre-Islamic past, except for some in Egypt who realize that the Pyramids have great economic value (and, of course, there is still the residual influence of the Copts, and those who, obscurely realizing that this attitude is silly, work to promote an "Egyptian" pride in the Pyramids). There is no Arab Champollion, deciphering the Rosetta Stone. There is no Arab Leonard Woolley, unearthing the spectacular treasures of Ur. There is no Arab discovery of Elam, no Arab poems in praise of Roman Petra, the "rose-red city half as old as time." (That doesn't prevent Arab taxidrivers and assorted trinket salesmen, baksheesh-pleaders, and so on from not making money off those Western tourists who might still be foolish enough to risk a visit to a Muslim Arab country). The interest, that is, in these sites is entirely prompted by the desire for gain, not any real interest in the pre-Islamic past.

Similarly, one finds not the slightest interest, among Muslims living in the Bilad al-Kufr, in any Western artistic treasures or historical monuments. They live in, or within, the West, but are as their belief-system demands, not part of that West. A Muslim heart cannot swell with pride at the achievements of non-Muslims -- or identify with the Lexington Minute-Men, or visit the rude bridge, or go to Yorktown or Gettysburg. It makes no sense. It is not part of Islamic history, which is the only history that counts. One sees all sorts of people visiting historical sites, and museums in the Western world -- people born in Beijing, or Seoul, or Lome, the capital of Togo, or Mexico City, or ten thousand other places. What one does not see, not at the Metropolitan, nor the National Gallery, nor the Louvre (except, of course, students frogmarched in for mandatory school visits) identifiable Muslims taking in, enjoying, demonstrating a sympathetic interest in, Western culture or the history of the countries they now live in, and in which, they insist, they are "here to stay."

Citizenship is more than a perfunctory, and quite possibly perjured, loyalty oath. It is an entire state of mind. How can one subscribe to a belief-system that regards all outside of Islam as jahiliya, that time of Ignorance in which pre-Islamic Arabs were said to live, and still be a true participant in non-Islamic societies, with some modicum of sympathy and interest for the non-Muslim countries and fellow-citizens and history that surround one?

Is it possible at all? This is not an idle question. It goes to the heart of the matter."

Hugh, please tell Robert to e-mail me if copying your posts is inappropriate.

Thank you.
JTF

The British government has made protecting islam it's number one priority (how much are the Saudis paying them?) . One only has to look at the treatment of Britain's only openly anti-islamic political party to see how fascist our elite has become in promoting a pro-muslim agenda. After the BNP won over 800,000 votes in the European elections the government freaked. The BBC then put out a programme smearing the BNP - after the programme was aired Barclays Bank closed the BNP account they held (Barclays have never done this to any muslim group). The police have also broken up legal BNP meetings and confiscated anti-islamic flyers.The Police force then announced that none of it's officers could be a supporter of the BNP (despite the fact that it is a legal, democratic political party) -this ban has not been applied to muslim policemen who by the very nature of their "religion" are biased against non-muslims. Despite all this intimidation the BNP have recently won 50% of the vote in two local by-elections - both were in "safe" Labour Part seats and both have fast-growing muslim minorities. Further alarmed by these victories the government has now pressed the Civil Service (300,000 staff) to ban ALL it's members from being BNP supporters. Police intimidation of BNP meetings has been stepped up and last week the BNP website was forced from the internet reportedly on instructions from MI5. The government has never banned any islamic websites. To recap : the BNP a legal democratic political party has become the first in British history to have it's members banned from the police force, it has become the first political party in British history to have it's bank accounts closed, the first party to have it's website removed , the first to have it's members shot at (last week) and the first to have all main three political parties gang up on it. The BNP have been around since the 1970s - all the above has happened to it ONLY since it make clear it's anti-islamic intent at the beginning of this summer. Whatever one may think of it's policies it is truly frightening what is happening to the BNP and shows us the determination with which our government wish us to become dhimmis in an islamised Britain.

Sorry, the reference above is incorrect. Hugh's post occurs in DhimmiWatch, Aug 25, 2004, "Historic site in Iran turned into garbage dump, official complains".

Apologies.

I have to confess I'm still baffled by the British Govt's antics re their coddling of islam in the UK.

What is their real motive in this?, more and more people are being alienated by this pro-islam twaddle that pours out of the media and the Govt. The Left in Britain is getting more and more distanced from it's supposed roots in the working class, and for what?

Do political parties here really want the votes of what,2% of the population, that they're willing to lose the other 98%?

There is a real feeling of suppression amongst the general population, that they're simply not allowed to say what they think about what's going on in their own country, and I'm not talking about any freedom to insult or abuse any minority but to raise even the slightest objection to the whole multi-culti programme.

Really, what does the Govt stand to gain by pandering to one small section of the population and continuing to alienate the rest?

On the wider picture, far from the commonly touted view that it's the US and UK who are "isolated" it looks like the old europe of france, germany and their satellites who, in continuing their eurabian fantasies, are isolating themselves from the concensus that's now starting to emerge between the US, UK and Russia, India and the eastern european states who have a totally different attitude to the muslim and arab world from "old europe"

The last thing we should worry about is sucking up to Chirac and co., let them carry on getting deeper and deeper in the eurabian mess they love so much, it's they who have the most to lose by this, not us.

I don't know a great deal about English politics, but I want to interject, again, something we all know very well in this forum: that the struggle against Islamic jihad, Islamic politics, Islamic oppression of Infidels, Islamic triumphalism, this struggle is ideological and has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Imagine wondering through a American city with a racially and culturally diverse population, like New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Miami: imagine all the restaraunts, neighborhoods, places of worship, languages, and races of people. And in all these places, in all these circumstances, so different, one will generally find people who consider themselves 'American', citizens, folks who commit themselves, in their own ways, to our laws, constitution, and 'ways of life', as slippery as they are; only in one 'place' will one have reason to question whether or not people are united by an ideology that requires the destruction of the society generally accepted by others.

And from none of these 'places' does one have to fear people who are ideologically motivated to indiscriminately murder others in attempt to destroy the United States, except one 'place'.

And what is that place? The mosque, let me say it again, the mosque; only in the mosque will one find taught an ideology, a belief-system, a tradition, that might nuture and motivate persons to blow up planes, blow up a trains, set fire to buildings, murder children in masse, in an effort to subjugate 'the other', 'the Infidel', in religious war, only from the mosque, only from the mosque.

There may be psychopaths who would do such things, or maybe paranoid folks close to Neo-Nazi ideology, like Timothy McVeigh, but from no other 'belief-system' with a tradition, from no other 'place' in the city, might one find people ideologically motivated to do such things, only in the mosque.

This struggle is about the ideology, the texts, the concepts, the norms, the principles, that lead Muslims to violence and the desire to destroy our culture: this is not about race. And we are right to single out Islam. But, we do not single out Islam because of race. It does not matter who teaches in the mosque, it only matters what is taught. And, of course, the jihadist ideology, texts and norms that require dehuminization of Infidels are not always taught, and sometimes rejected. Maybe Irshad Manji is speaking. Maybe someone who genuinely rejects the texts, the principles, the ideas, beyond hollow 'condemnation' and 'deception' (sactioned by the texts and tradtions themselves). But race is irrelevant. If this struggle is captured by those who believe that race is the issue, we will have not only lost direction, we will have become in some ways akin to those we wish to stop. We will have corrupted ourselves with dehumanizing thought, with false principles, perhaps with hatred, and that might lead to the oppression of the innocent and a betrayal of the principles upon which our society and culture are based.

This is not about race, it is about Islamic texts, traditions, norms, what is taught in the mosque, and how these things endanger our lives and our ways of life.

Son of Albion, et. al.,

As we write, the colonization of the European continent continues without delay. Any legitimate complaints or concerns expressed by non-Muslims are considered, to use John Kerry's phrase, a "Nuisance".

Any resistance presented in a civilized Western, manner in defense of our culture, our civilization is met as a mere speed bump to the relentless, methodical march of Islam across Europe, America and indeed the entire globe.

Communism was never as grave a threat as Islam is today to our way of life, if not only for the reason that it is an enemy that we refuse to identify and a foe that we have foolishly allowed into our homes.

There can be no rolling back of 30 plus years of Islamic pilgrimage to the West unless something drastic is done now. That would mean the revision of Immigration laws to favor non-Islamic immigration, if any at all, the expulsion of all or most illegal aliens and a program initiated immediately to educate and restore lost national identity. To ignore this fact will only delay the inevitable destruction and erasure of our great civilisation at the hands of a patient and deceptive adversary.

The rejection of multiculturalism (which is the strongest weapon in the arsenal of Islamism) is the only way Western nations will survive in their current form.

The course chartered by the multiculturalists, the politically correct, the liberal establishment is leading to the destruction of the existing order in Western cities. The establishment of "special status" privilege granted Muslims is allowing them to emerge as the dominant immigration group in every nation where they are allowed to obtain a strong presence.

Islamic intolerance is ignored by the weak bureaucrats in Brussels, and the pandering politicians in Washington, who unbelievably, encourage, promote and spin a web of lies designed to fool all but the most gullible among us about the true nature of Islam.

It would be laughable were it not true, that the proponents of the "Rights industry" are ignoring the greatest threat to our collective rights perhaps in all of our history, the colonization and cultural conquest of the West by Islam.

The Brits have had a soft spot for Arabs/Arab culture at least since Lawrence of Arabia, and the hand they played in helping the Brits defeat the Turks. This is why their support for the creation of the State of Israel was so conflicted.

As for deteriorating relations between the EU and Israel, it sure seems likely, but yesterday I saw a post on FreedomFaith.org that I flung Robert Spencer's way that says that the PA reps are not being well received by European diplomats in Ramallah and Gaza City vis opposing the Israeli efforts to eliminate the Kessam rocket launchers, etc. In fact, if the story is true, they are being told they ain't gonna get any help until they stop the attacks on Israeli civilians.

It could also be that the Europeans are a little less than amused by the way Arafat has [mis]used EU aid money. And it's also possible they may be concerned that they can't very well cry about terror attacks at home and make excuses for the same vis Israel.