And now, a word from Theo van Gogh

Amazingly powerful. He nailed the Islamo Fascist creed mercilessly. He exposed them totally in this speech. The answer was to kill him for shining a light on him. He is right in comparing their attitude with that of the Reich. Fascism is alive and stalking us. It is supported by the "useful idiots" of the left. He subjected it to this forensic dissection. And they killed him for it.

May you Rest in Peace Theo. We shall not forget you and we shall not allow them to win. You spirit lives on.

From Theo Van Gogh:

{{We spit on you and you think it is a rain shower}}

So powerful and so true.

They murdered Theo but the truth never dies.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

Tide turning in Denmark?

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1286272004

Van Gogh murder backlash begins

MURDO MACLEOD
mmacleod@scotlandonsunday.com

IT PRIDES itself on being the beating liberal heart of Europe, but the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh has convinced many in the Netherlands that the nation’s legendary tolerance has now reached its limit.

Van Gogh’s execution last Tuesday, which has been linked to Islamic extremists, has brought calls for a crackdown on fundamentalists and renegade preachers that would previously have been unthinkable.

Once liberal commentators now want Muslim hardliners to be thrown out of the country, even if they have Dutch passports, and greater surveillance of the wider Islamic community.

Meanwhile, one of the biggest Muslim populations in Western Europe is fearful of being tarred with the extremist brush by a nation which increasingly feels it is being taken advantage of.

Van Gogh, who had made a controversial film about Islamic culture, was shot and stabbed in Amsterdam as he cycled to work. A five-page letter addressed to a female Somali immigrant who scripted the controversial film that Van Gogh directed before she entered national politics, was pinned to his body with a knife.

A Dutch-Moroccan has been charged over the incident, and also with membership of a group with "terrorist intentions and conspiracy to murder a politician".

The 26-year-old accused, identified by Dutch media as Mohammed B, was also charged with attempting to kill a policeman and a bystander.

The killing has revived memories of the shocking murder of anti-immigration populist Pim Fortuyn by an animal rights activist in 2002.

Prior to his death, Fortuyn’s views had been condemned by the liberal media. But the slaying of Van Gogh has had a cathartic effect in a country where racial tension and hostility towards foreigners is on the rise.

The leading liberal Amsterdam broadsheet, The Telegraaf, has led the charge with a hard-hitting editorial that would never previously have been published.

"There needs to be a very public crackdown on extremist Muslim fanatics in order to assuage the fear of citizens and to warn the fanatics that they must not cross over the boundaries," the newspaper said.

"International cash transfers must be more tightly controlled; magazines and papers which include incitement should be suppressed; unsuitable mosques should be shut down and imams who encourage illegal acts should be thrown out of the country.

"This should also apply to extremists who have dual nationality. They have no business here. In addition, the range of extremists to be kept under surveillance needs to be expanded. If more money is required for all this, then that money must be made available. It is more than worth it for the sake of the citizens’ safety."

Volkskrant, published in The Hague, declared that while Muslims might be infuriated by Van Gogh’s film, they should have taken the film-maker to court rather than engaging in acts of violence.

It said: "Muslims will have to learn that, in a democracy, religion, too, is open to criticism - this applies to Islam no less than to Christianity. Theo van Gogh, in this respect, always purposefully went to the limits of decency.

"Many have regularly had reason to feel hurt or offended by him. In a democracy, those who want to defend themselves against this can go to court. Any other curtailment of free speech is inadmissible."

The daily Algemeen Dagblad challenged the nation’s Muslims to take to the streets to condemn the killing and "cleanse" themselves as a community in the wake of the murder.

It said: "The has to be the time when voices from the Muslim community must say a massive ‘no’ to this kind of madness. A mass protest made by Dutch Muslims could be the symbolic beginning of a needed cleansing within the self."

The rising tension in the Netherlands has led increasingly to calls from white Dutch people for Muslims either to accept Western ways or leave the country.

Prior to the killing, a poll found that a third of Dutch people felt threatened by Islam in their midst.

Barry Madlener, a councillor in Rotterdam, where half the population is foreign-born - many from Muslim countries - said: "If you say: ‘I reject the Western lifestyle and I don’t want to fit in your way,’ then I say: ‘Keep away.’

"When the children of these people cannot fit into our society, then the problems will grow."

The murder has made allies of both freewheeling liberals and traditional church-goers who normally condemn the nation’s drug culture and sexual licence.

Justice minister Piet Hein Donner, regarded as a stern Calvinist with little in common with the ultra-permissive outlook personified by Van Gogh said: "If this is what has happened to this man, who did nothing but express his opinion, then one can no longer live decently in this land."

A backlash has begun. In the central town of Utrecht, several fires broke out on Thursday at a new mosque belonging to a Moroccan religious association. A police spokeswoman said no evidence had been found of fire-raising but this was still under investigation.

The Dutch cabinet, meanwhile, has made it clear it is considering new ways to tackle Muslim extremists, including stripping criminals with dual citizenship of their Dutch nationality, increasing police powers and boosting the budget of the security service.

Gerrit Zalm, the deputy prime minister, says the cabinet also considered taking action against a mosque in Amsterdam regularly attended by Mohammed B.

Van Gogh, whose great-great-grandfather was the brother of artist Vincent van Gogh, has been described as the Netherlands’ Michael Moore.

The film, Submission, may have been only 10 minutes long, but it caused uproar in the country when it was broadcast at the end of August.

The outcry centred on the stories of four Muslim women who were beaten, raped and forced into marriage, and were asking for Allah’s help.

On their bodies were written verses from the Qu’ran describing the permitted physical punishments for women who "misbehave".

Van Gogh claimed that he had been deliberately cautious, and would have made the film differently if he really had wanted to shock.

Nevertheless, death threats were soon received.

In a recent interview, Van Gogh was asked how he felt about the threats. Laughing, he replied that no one would believe it worth their while to shoot at the "village idiot".

As all of the Netherlands now knows, Van Gogh got that one badly wrong.

Of late I have been thinking a lot how to battle Islam and how I could contribute to this fight.
The murder of Theo van Gogh made me clear that the battle in Holland is becoming more serious now. On t.v. I heard one commentator say : "Holland has lost its innocence" if Holland or the Dutch in general were culpable of this crime. It is Islam in Holland that has lost its innocence.It has shown its true ugly face.
To start a fight you have to know the ennemy and what is the basis of his thoughts and tactics.
On the basis of Islam is Mohammed. To have success in the battle with Islam you have to start with himOn th internet I found the folowing article about Mohammed. It is written by a Belgian professor, the first good contribution from Belgium to the battle against islam.
http://users.skynet.be/sky50779/mohammed

The mysterious illness of the Prophet Muhammad identified

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Theophanes, a monk (752-817), wrote in his Chronography that Muhammad suffered from epilepsy. From that time most historians repeated this opinion. When in the late 19th century better notions of psychopathology became common, this diagnosis was challenged. Some thought his disease was hysteria or hystero-epilepsy, although for most scientists epilepsy was excluded. There was no definitive answer to this question. A better scientific examination of the sources has made clear that all symptoms of acromegaly are present with some psychopathological paranoid traits. Acromegaly is caused by a small tumour of the hypophysis, beginning most of the time about the fortieth year and ending in the sixtieth year with an apoplexy of the hypophysis.

According to the hadith Muhammad suffered from a long-lasting disease, which he treated by means of bleeding. He walked as somebody who comes down from a hill. His skin-colour was peculiar, not white, not too tanned, somewhat rosy. His eyebrows were conspicuous. He was sweating heavily, especially when he was receiving revelations. He heard the noise of bells and voices. He had a great appetite and suffered from hunger. Notwithstanding his sexual relations with ten young women, he remained quasi-sterile: one only child after the age of forty years. During his last illness he suffered from intense headaches, losses of consciousness, back- and intestinal pains. He died at the age of 62 years. Psychologically he was known as trustworthy, somewhat retiring and prude. Initially, about at the age of forty years, he was depressed, retiring, and showed a tendency to suicide. He spoke slowly. Most typical were his great hands, dough feeling palms, great feet, a long fleshy nose, well developed ears and a peculiar voice.

These indications suggest that he suffered from acromegaly. This hypothesis allows to explain almost all details found in the hadith.

Acromegaly is caused by an adenoma of the pituitary, which causes an increase in growth hormone (somatotropine) and usually a deficiency or increase of other hormones such as gonadotropine. The disease begins in adult persons about the fourth decade of age. Most patients die about the age of 60 years. It is a long-lasting disease with slow progress, sometimes burning out. Most patients tolerate it reasonably well. The melanophore hormones secreted by the pituitary cause a peculiar straw-yellow skin-colour. Excessive sweating is sometimes caused by hyperthyroidism. Sweating can be oily and have an unpleasant odour. Patients suffer from high blood pressure. Some hirsutism is observed (eyebrows). The growth of all extremities after adult age causes also the vertebrae to extend and the spine to curve. This extension can cause pain as the nerves suffer pressure. Especially typical is the enlargement of the fingers and the dough like feeling of the palms when shaking hands. Rarely a bleeding of the pituitary occurs and causes dead: this apoplexy of the pituitary causes headaches, nausea, vomiting, losses of consciousness. Psychologically patients suffer initially from depression, brooding and irritability, also an increase of appetite and a loss of libido. Some patients are anxious and are lacking in self-confidence. When the adenoma exerts pressure on the third ventricle and the optic chiasma in the brain the patients may suffer from hallucinoses. Uniformly these patients are trustworthy. Their personality is characterised by conscientiousness, reliability and industriousness.

Confronting this picture of the symptomatology of acromegaly with the tradition about Muhammad one can only state the conformity. Moreover one understands some other traits of the personality of Muhammad. He washed himself often, till two or tree times successively. He indulged in men's scents, such as musk and ambergris; he used to burn camphor on odoriferous wood. This is understandable. He smelled the unpleasant odour of his sweat, and did not want it to be perceived by others. The use of bleeding, as a treatment can be understood as a remedy against his high blood pressure. His polygamy and the incessant acquisition of new young women can be explained by his wish for a masculine child. His young sons were all dead. He adopted two sons. But a son of his own was for him an absolute must. As the pituitary influences fertility his acromegaly reduced considerably the spermatogenesis. Ten wives could only give birth to one only masculine child, which died early. Changing wives he tried desperately to engender that masculine child. He was not a sex-maniac. His death was probably caused by a pituitary apoplexy. Psychologically he was considered as a trustworthy person. Initially depressed and devoid of self-confidence, he considered suicide. He suffered from hallucinoses and even hallucinations.

I think we must show and tell muselmans that their prophet was a sick person, who thought he was sent by God "to start something big".
Everybody can fall ill, it is no shame. In the times of Mohammed people dit npt recognize the symptoms of this illness. IOt was his illneess that made him marry a 6 year old girl and consume the marriage when she was 9, not perverty.
We d not have to insult or give names, but just use modern medical science to explain the character,deeds,words and haluccinations of this poor misguided "prophet"

"Address by the late Theo van Gogh"

The late Mr van Gogh was right.... Dead right.

It now appears that the good people of the Netherlands have had that rude awakening to what their ultra liberal attitudes to tolerence, unrestricted immigration,and multi-culturalism have visited upon them.And now the same liberal voices that once championed the very policies that has brought their country to the brink of disaster are calling for policy reform.For the people Holland it may already be too late. The question now is whether the ethnic Dutch will fight to save their culture and their country or will they submit to Dhimmitude.

Perhaps they'll listen now.

Anyone who chooses to answer this moron, hateshutup, remember:

He is trying to classify what kind of Hate you suffer from. Which is an Outright LIE about YOU.

He is totally bogus. Why do you keep bothering with him? So he can make a report to post on islamic hate sites around the world?

Don't let this bastard get away with an attempt to discredit. Do not let him do what the Left will be pleased to have him do! Think!

Scum like him are the ones who worked to dehumanize people in Nazi Germany, so they could be more easily slaughtered.

I'm from Holland...

It's indescribable how we feel here.

Nothing gives you the right to kill a person!
No matter what they say.

The people here where already awake, the goverment was asleep or didn't want to wake up.

To the DUTCH POSTERS here,

Commiserations and solidarity!

I already left a message at Theo's website, but I was wondering if there is an online petition I could sign to express my outrage and to show support with the Dutch people? Please post details here if there is. Thank you.

Secondly, in an earlier post I described Theo as the Dutch Michael Moore. I regret that. Although I admired Moore's first film, he has since gone in for cheap shots and disinformation. I believe Theo was a far better writer and director than MM. Also MM wouldn't be brave enough to risk his life to make a film like SUBMISSION. (And there wouldn't be enough $$$ in it for him either.)

I love Amsterdam and the real Dutch people and the thought of what is going on there angers and disgusts me.

(Not that Brussels is much better!)

@ Benelux

This is an online petition you can sign:
http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_3395.html

And you are right about Micheal Moore vs Theo.

Thanks, Draven!

I signed it - but I was really looking for a petition which was more of a PROTEST against what happened to Theo. There should be such a thing.

We can extend our sympathy to Theo's family and friends, but we also need to show our ANGER!

Dutch people find a way to escape the PC censors:

hire a plane to fly over Amsterdam carrying a banner reading:

"Theo Was Right -- No Theocracy"

http://www.sanshine.nl/blog/graphics/Theoheeftgelijk2.jpg

I can't find a real protest site, mabye someone else wil?

So Mohammad suffered from epilepsy.

I would say that everyone who claims to have talked to god, or started any religion was suffering from a mental illness.

hire a plane to fly over Amsterdam carrying a banner reading:

"Theo Was Right -- No Theocracy"

BRILLIANT!!!

Maybe they could do it again, this time with the banner in English so it might get shown on TV in more countries.

Thanks, Suzan - and well done to the people who dreamt this up! At this stage, humor and imagination are two of our most powerful weapons, since the Islamofascists have so little of either.

Here is a petition for maintaing the right of Freedom of Speech to criticise Islam. It's been started to counteract Muslims demands to stifle speech. Please everybody take time to sign it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/islam999/petition.html

a_rationalist -

Good petition. I notice that the proposer has a muslim name.

I suggest you post your message on the latest threads at Jihad Watch, otherwise few people will see it.

Good luck!

The statement above -- a warning coming, in a sense, from Theo van Gogh d'outre-tombe -- should be printed out, sent to journalists and polticians, given to students beyond the age of 14, and above all, to those simple souls who continue to counsel "dialogue" which, whether it is gussied up as "interfaith dialogue" or a "dialogue of civilisiations," is inevitably exploited by Muslim participants not to give an inch, nor to explain, nor to admit responsibility, much less to own up to what it is about the belief-system of Islam that has, for many centuries, and even more at the moment (when the modern world, and Infidel success that can no longer be hidden, has unhinged Muslims who have only Islam to turn to -- and turn to it they do, with ever greater defensiveness (level 1), fervor (level 2), and fanaticism (level 3).

How, not only to honor him, but to keep his memory constantly before us -- the memory of what he saw clearly, in his own sardonic, skeptical,and no doubt to the straitlaced slightly unnerving or even offensive way -- one should think of prizes in his honor; postage stamps -- and by postage stamps I do not mean in the Netherlands alone, nor in the E.U. alone, but on a stamp of the United States. Surely someone in Congress can make this his issue, and who in Congress will not join him to honor Theo van Gogh? And who, among the American public, will not want to buy stamps with his image on it? Why not start a campaign to do so?

And further, given all the phony centers, funded by sinister forces, why not endow a Theo van Gogh Center for the Study of Totalitarian Belief-Systems, or create fellowships in his name, or any number of other possiblities.

And finally, though the Nobel Peace Prize has been tainted by some of its recent recipients -- Arafat being the most egregious -- perhaps the Nobel Committee responsible for the Peace Prize can begin to be taken seriously again, and can redeem itself.

The rules require that a recipient of a Nobel Prize must be alive. One particularly sad example of this was the Nobel in Medicine that was awarded to Torsten Wiesel and David Hubel, but not to their colleage Stephen Kuffler, who deserved it as well but had died just a few weeks before it was awarded). That means it cannot be given to Theo van Gogh. But it can, and should, be given to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, his associate, who has been threatened by the same hit squad. It would be a way to help ensure that she is heard, and that she may get a bit more attention. One would like to think it would also make her safer, but of course Naguib Mahfouz was stabbed, and almost killed, by a fanatical Muslim for some supposed insult he had written some 30 years before.

And by awarding the Nobel to a real antagonist of Muslim misogyny and mistreatment of women, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee would be making amends for having, a few years ago, awarded the prize to Shirin Ebadi, who may well be a "figher for women's rights" but is also a shameless apologist for Islam, whose disgraceful attack on the West at the Nobel ceremony, and whose taqiyya on behalf of Islam -- claiming, for example, that there is "nothing in Islam" that is responsible for, or linked to, the mistreatment and subjugation of women, and that it is all a matter of "cultural factors" -- earned her great contempt among the much braver Iranians in Iran and in exile, such as Azam Kamguian, who can spot an apologist much more rapidly than we, the innocent Infidels, possibly can.

One can be sure that the shades of Pieter Geyl and Johann Huizinga and Spinoza and Rembrandt would approve of putting the image of Theo van Gogh on stamps, on coins (a new Euro, perhaps?), and those same shades, in solemn conclave assembled, if they could nominate anyone for the Peace Prize, would cast their votes for Ayaan Hirsi Ali. At the very least, for that particular year, one would take such a prize seriously, instead of as so often nowadays, with amused contempt.

make no mistake, Theo was a hero in the war of freedom from islamification.
The fact that his short 10 minute film drew such outrage illustrates the sickness tha pervades europe and which so many would wish on America.
NOw the hordes of dhimmy left isalmo loving press will go into damage repair to cast aspertions on his character and erase the truth of this sad event.
They have become the soldier ant slaves of Islam and we must deprive them of oxygen.

One might believe that a film that exposes the subjugation and torture of women arouse anger and sympathy.The gang rapes, genital mutilation of young girls, the beatings, the degradations, the honor killings and brutal slayings..... all this has become subjudice- they are NOT crimes , only their exposure are crimes . crimes of racism !
In the upside down world of europe it was Theo who was the racial bigot!

Pym and Theo paid the ultimate price. But if at Holland is now able to protect itself from the gathering threat of Islamic terrorism, their sacrifice will have saved countless lives . And while this does not diminish the tragedy, it means these men were heroes.
They will be remebered as the first heroes, and unfortunetely many more will be required to wake up Europe.

I have posted a message on the Theo Van Gogh site,but it didn`t come up on their list.Anyway,the dutch people must know that the whole world is watching them and their reaction to this horrible crime will be probably followed by similar actions in all civilized countries,that are now facing the threat of islam.
America is mourning Theo Van Gogh`s death and stands besides the dutch people in their fight against islamic fanaticism.

Don't be suprised if you see the Governement
spending money on educating the Dutch to understand Islam and stop the racism and Islamophobia that is at the root of all the backlash towards Muslims.
This issue is so like the 9/11 attck,Muslims instanly called for calm and warned about unfair backlsh hurting racial harmony,blah blah,blah blah,blah blah blah blah.
Just once I'd like to see Islamic leaders be angry at the Muslim that did the un-Islamic act,even in Canada when a Muslim male suicide killer slaughter 17 female students for getting educated to take jobs away from men,the media avoided his conversion to Islam and Muslims distanced themselves and agreed with the reports he was a troubled male misogenistic loner.

Muslims have done what the Nazis could never do,control Holland while the world sits back and fears intervention will create a holy war by Muslims.

I'd like to note that van Gogh was an arch Anti-Theist, not a racist. In his TV-show "Najib and Julia" he told a love-story about a Dutch-Moroccan pizza-courier and an upperclass Dutch girl, the first time Berber was spoken in a Dutch TV-show.

In one of his most recent films "Cool!" he hired Dutch-Moroccan youths with previous criminal convictions as actors instead of "profesionals", granting these kids a "second chance" and providing a positive rolemodel for others. These kids loved van Gogh.

One of Theo's friends also noted he gave money to his Moroccan neighbour so she could undergo an operation in a private facility.

Theo also didn't discriminate, he dispised Judeo- and Christian-Fascism (think Bush Base) almost as much as he did Islamic-Fascism.

And as far as Michael "the pussy" Moore is concerned, van Gogh previewed "Fahrenheit" for Dutch TV and thought it was a mediocre film with little substance ("nothing new").

Man, I miss the bastard.

adela,

"America is mourning Theo Van Gogh`s death and stands besides the dutch people in their fight against islamic fanaticism."

Don't pretend to talk on behald of America. You sound like just another two-cent fascist who wants to utilize America's resources for their own hateful agenda.