The Dutch are warned: stop the attacks on Muslim installations, or else. But there is no reciprocity: no assurance is forthcoming that there will not be more Theo van Goghs. From Reuters, with thanks to Ali Dashti:
Nov 8, 2004 — DUBAI (Reuters) - A little-known Islamist group has threatened to carry out attacks in the Netherlands following a series of attacks on Muslim buildings there, according to an Internet statement posted on Tuesday."We ask you for the last time, and you still have a chance, to stop the attacks on our mosques, schools and the Muslim community in Holland … before you pay a heavy price," Islamic Tawhid Brigades said in a statement dated Nov. 9 and posted on a Web site used by Islamists....
"We will not stand with our hands tied and we will make the Dutch government and people pay dearly," Islamic Tawhid said in the statement, whose authenticity could not be verified.
Tawhid is the Islamic concept of the absolute unity of God.
The thing that troubles me and which hasn't often been discussed is the possibilty that the islamists killed Theo in the hope that they would start a war. That was exactly Osama's goal wasn't it? The islamists killed thoe and made it abundently obvious that it was a murder by islamists.
I suspect that many Jhadists may be pretending to be shocked at the burning down of muslims schools in the Netherlands. I think the islamsits are also pretending to be shocked about the death of muslims when the governemnt recently cracked down on the islamsits in Thailand. I think the islamists knew exactly what the were doing when they killed Theo. They hoped for a violent reaction by the Dutch.
Jihadists, like the ones in Iraq are generally psychopaths that would kill their own people in the thousands if it would give them their "utopian" Islamic state. The islamic state of their dreams is king, not their own people.
Well if they want to start a war, then they will lose and we will win. So bring it on boys!
I hate to say, but unless the Dutch pull out all the stops, it will be a pyrrhic victory- and both sides will be claiming it. The Dutch need to make a Decisive move if anything happens, or we shall be reading about it for years.
Sorry for the typo. I said:
"That was exactly Osama's goal wasn't it? The islamists killed thoe and made it abundently obvious that it was a murder by islamists."
I didn't mean Osmama is directly behind Theo's death. Maybe he is or isn't. I just meant that as Osmama wants a war of civilisations so does Theo's murderers I suspect.
The Dutch outnumber these rodents 16 to 1. Shouldn't this type of threat be considered a threat to National Security, prompting all Muslims to be deported?
To anyone from Holland that may be reading here today: You have my permission to protect your country from the threat in front of you.....
And remember, never hit a radical Muslim when he's down.........Kick him, it's easier.
This is a direct threat to the people of the Netherlands, the dutch must not let these facists intimidate them.
If there was ever a reason for every last muslim in Europe to be deported or killed, it's now, this is not just a threat to the Netherlands, but to all Europeans. It is as good as them saying they expect us to let them kill and do whatever they want, in the countries that have allowed the scum in, but no-one is to take any kind of vengeance back on muslims.
Well fuck them...fuck them all...
If any dutch are reading :
There are plenty of sites that tell you how to make home-made bombs, start taking their shitty mosks down,do it all the more....how dare they threaten you...us....screw them, don't be afraid of them, they're outnumbered and out-classed, and their is no way even the most dhimmi government would side up with this foul minority, that nobody wants there in the first place.Show them you don't care. They won't dare do a terrorist attack on your country, or the might of Europe will come down on their demonic heads.
I promise you if the muslims start any shit in Holland, the britsh will come to your aid.
Do not let the islamo-fascist take over your country, or your country will relive the horrors of WW2. When we are faced with threats to our security in times like this, we cannot turn the other cheek. It's time to fight back, and show them that their "ethnic" barbaric customs will not be tolerated.
The Jihadists know they can saftly hide in our communities and make these threats against us.
I remember learning about the US reaction towards people of Jappanese decent after the pearl harbor attack. Putting them in camps and isolating them from the rest of us. I remember feeling that it was wrong.
But as I watch muslims commit one pearl harbor after another all over the world on varying scales, I wonder when we will have had enough? When do we finally say that the only way to protect ourselves from them is to keep them out of our communities altogether? Today that is unthinkable. But when do we get pushed to the point that this has to be considered a viable option?
Keep in mind that this is exactly what is happening in the middle east right now, in reverse.
So the Islamists now confirm they have control of the Mosques in Holland,thier threat only shows the ugly side of Islam and the conscent
by local Muslims by their silence on these Nazi style murders in public.
It's truely amazing that in Canada and other media reports the Muslim arrested on the sceen
after a gunfight with police,is listed as the "Alledged" attacker,yet without any arrests
the media has blamed the Dutch non-Muslims for all the violence against Mosques and painted the Dutch as intolerant bigots.
Because of that the Militant wing of Islam has threatened the Dutch with Nation wide murdering of all non-Muslims,where's the proof that the Islamists aren't behind the vandalism to Mosques to justify their Jihad for Allah to make Holland an Islamic State to launch terrorism plots on neighbouring non-Muslims.
Just to add insult to injury over the Arafat
death where Muslims are praising him as a hero,the Palestinians in Canada have hijacked "Rememberance Day" by displaying respect
for the "Father of terrorism' by lowering the Canadian flag to half-mast along with a Palestinian flag.
I fear that from now on Muslims will use Rememberance day to host parades that overshadow
the efforts of the fallen soldiers that died to give Canada the Democracy and freedom that allows palestinians to live in Canada and burn Israeli flags and USA flags on our streets.
Muslims rioted at Concordia University to stop a Jewish speaker that was invited,the palestinian student body endorsed the smashing of windows and spiting on anyone that look Jewish.
Arafat died of AIDS,he's homosexual gender has been know for awhile and the mysterious death is just a way to cover up the shameful hypocracy
of Palestinians killing gays in public and letting Arafats wife get 100,000 dollars amonth while his people live is pobverty.
The Dutch have the right to resist a invasion by a foreign Army that is murdering civilians and has now made a Nation threat to all the Dutch citizens,these thugs are almost like the Nazis except the Nazis had the guts to wear uniforms
or armbands to let people know they were the enemy,the Muslim cowards are murdering Artists and dressing as civilians so they can hide within the Mosques as devouted followers of Islam.
NO ISLAM - KNOW A FREE HOLLAND
ISLAM MUST Gogh.
Every time a Moslem speaks, its taqiyya!
If deportation is not an option, then maybe special Moslem compounds can be setup to protect the peace loving Moslems from the barbaric practices of the free world!
Apostasy of Islam must continue to the point where all non-Moslems are guilty of apostasy.
Moslems worship Mohammed and Allah, just not at the same time which makes them monotheistic. It is hard to argue with their stupidity
No Mohammadanism, Know Peace
Im not a racist, I am an anti-Islamic
"We will make the Dutch government and people pay dearly"
You are NOT going to take that shit, are you??
Time for the Bush Doctrine -- the old surgical strike. It's what you do when you find a huge horse fly buzzing in your kitchen. You roll up a newspaper and when it lights on the counter you slap it down hard! You don't tap it, you let it have it -- then get out the bleach to disinfect the counter.
Holland, get out your newspapers!
bomb a mosque
>The thing that troubles me and which
>hasn't often been discussed is the
>possibilty that the islamists killed
>Theo in the hope that they would start a war.
I think they have already declared open war on the West haven't they? Their purpose is to turn the Earth into a cauldron of bloody conflict from which they emerge the world rulers.
They stupidly believe the fictional character “Allah” will let them prevail. The idiots are so lost in the make believe world of their religion that they think the Koran trumps all other rational, moral and ethical thought.
If they are willing to march their own children out trussed up as suicide bombers they are more than willing to put someone else’s through the fires of Moloch. Any reasonable person can see the insanity of it.
We shouldn't become so lost in our own versions of reality that we loose site of what their goal is and stumble blindly into their trap either. This will take a lot more than guns and money to defeat.
Can Islam be defeated with force? Isn't it a social virus transcending ethnicity and nationality that exists independently of its adherents? How do you kill the very idea of Islam? Isn’t that what it is going to take?
It’s going to take the Muslims themselves to defeat this thing. Convincing Muslims of the necessity for an overhaul of their religion would seem to be one of the primary things we should trying to do.
I think Mr. Spencer’s are incredible. He is a courageous individual that desires our admiration and support. Supporting violence is wrong and counterproductive to the cause.
Communities have to stand up and say no to the unreasonable demands and actions of Muslims. Illegal violence should be the Islamists crime not ours. We need to use the rule of law to put this down. If not then we are all in trouble. Rule of law also implies the right to defend your self against attacker. It doesn’t give us the right to riot, commit arson or assault.
Fighting monsters does not necessarily mean you have to become monsters yourself. This is especially true when the goal of the monsters you are fighting is to make you into a monster just like them.
I hope the Netherlands put their Muslims in their place soon and that this will start a precedent in the world.
obl r us said “The thing that troubles me and which hasn't often been discussed is the possibility that the islamists killed Theo in the hope that they would start a war.”
This is entirely possible, but a very risky strategy. Argentina leftists in the early 1970’s applied this very strategy. They began committing terrorist acts against the government and military in the hopes that these acts would provoke a violent reaction. They thought this would then lead to an all out civil war that they would win. It didn’t work out quite like that. The military took over the country and wipe out the entire leftist network, including their supporters and families. It was a major defeat for the leftists.
Another country where this tactic was tried on a smaller scale was in Hungry, just before the collapse of the communist government. The Soviet KGB and their local cohorts staged demonstrations, which they were going to use as an excuse to take over the government, it backfired. The demonstrations brought out hundreds of thousands of ordinary Hungarians. The KGB and local agents didn’t dare make a move. The rest is history.
Murphy’s law has a way of messing up the best-laid plans.
f.g.
I agree it would be better if muzzies could be suppressed without violence. But for rule of law to work both sides must respect the law, something muzzies don't believe they have to do (unless, of course, it's Sharia law in which case everyone must respect it).
Sometimes you have to meet force with force and I think this is one of those times. The Dutch fought the Nazis in WWII and I hope they will fight the muzzies just as courageously now.
When the elite (writers, artists, philosphers...etc.) of a particular group (Dutch) are being targeted for assassination, that is a direct threat at stifling that culture.
A Dutch response to this threat is a God-given right to maintain their existence.
No response is to succumb to extinction.
The Netherlands have sent his peel very expensive like Nepal several weeks ago, the violence is bad, but it´s the only language that this people understand, I would like that the muslims changed and demonstrated against the Van Gogh´s killing, but there are fanatics and they have fear, greetings
"WE will make the Dutch government and people pay dearly".....
Well now,..... What does that little telling statement reveal about the wonderfully peaceful moderate Muslims in Holland?
The dutch will make the muslims pay dearly.
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-04/28/images/pic08a.jpg
Provocation is excellent if your buddies are hiding in the parking lot. Otherwise, what the hell were you thinking? Plan ahead. Ten minutes of thinking first is easier than ten years of sitting in prison wondering why no one was there with you when you started the revolution.
Guerrilla tactics in the war on Islam do not have to be illegal. But it is guerrilla war, all the same tiactics and strategies, the same progress toward a goal. Guerrilla chess in the streets and in your communities. Yes, we live in the Free World, and our states have the legal institutions to protect us from violence, but that doesn't mean we should be either passive or rashly violent. There are parallel tracks citizens can follow, paths governments cannot go down. Provoking Islam to outrages, and it doesn't take much, brings the force of the state down on the enemy, and you sit by grinning when the Moslems go to the bucket.
Tactics, strategy, goal. Make alliances with fellow anti-jihadists and normal people like yourselves. Organize within your communities among your own mates. Plan. Become a social movement. And always think ahead to the outcome of your actions.
Van gogh will fade in a few days to be replaced in a few weeks by some other poor guy doing not much of anything. Plan for it. Organize. Make friends to plan together.
O.T.
One very good way to get the gullible Moslem is by propaganda.
Example.
A secret memo that has found its way out of Boeing Aircraft headquarters states that the wiring behind the cockpit panels on the Boeing 767-223ER has a tendency to chafe and short circuit, this problem was alleviated by using a natural casing. This natural casing is the same type used in the making of sausages, it is made from what is commonly called the hog bung.
With this new evidence at hand, it appears that the 19 hijackers on 9/11 apparently did not make it to their paradise.
This is the type of propaganda that would just crush these peaceful Moslems to no end.
I like how Osama in his last live from my cave tape called us chickens for dropping bombs on him instead of going cave to cave with guns and knives.
The only difference I see between the US military and the Iraqi insurgents is they use an old Fiat as a delivery system and we use F-18's.
I also cant help but notice that the insurgents target unarmed Iraqi's. Their actions tell me that Allah can only protect them from the unarmed!
No Mohammadanism, Know Peace
Nov 8, 2004- Dubai..
"A little known Islamist group has threatened"....
For f#@%$ing *%$#%* sake ,every *&%$)@# day somewhere in the news there's an article about some little known Islamist group either committing mayhem or threatening to commit mayhem. Doesn't the western world get it yet, combine all the "little known Islamist groups",the thousands and thousands of them and you get ONE @#&^%$#*(&#$ Big group and it's called Muslim Islam. The entire Islam culture is nothing more than an extremely vile and deadly cult and should be banned in all western societies .
Anyone interested in seeing Theo van Gogh's 'Submission', you will find it here
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656?htv=12
krkrjak! Such Language! :P
I am acutally surprised this is getting so much press in the US. But I suspect they will ignore it as fast as possible.
it's easy to become popular . Just make insulting movie towar Islam then you become headlines of the world. Thank you for Hirsi Ali and Theo..both of you deserve Oscar for this insulting low quality movie.
I saw the movie a couple of days ago at:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656?htv=12
Here are the salient stupidities of the film:
- Qur'anic verses painted on women's bodies.
- Transparent outfit while the girl is praying.
- She seems to be having extramarital affair, and wondering why it was prohibited, when
- She was abused by her husband, and
- Raped by her uncle.
Sounds like Danial Pipes Production to me.
It takes a bigger idiot to kill Theo van Gogh.
I hope that the "dhimmi" facists posting here stop acting like bunch of retards.