While the Netherlands comes to grips with the fact that it is facing a jihad, Qazi Husain Ahmed in Pakistan illustrates why Muslim condemnations of terrorism so often ring hollow: they are not terrorists, you see, they are mujahedin, warriors of jihad. But Theo van Gogh now knows that in many cases that is a distinction without a difference. From the Daily Times:
KARACHI: The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal’s chief, Qazi Husain Ahmed, defended jihad on Friday and said it could not be equated with terrorism because it manifested struggle for the right of the oppressed against the cruel and was aimed at establishing a society based on justice.Speaking at a Friday congregation in Masjid-e-Quba in SITE area, he said Islam emphasises justice and teaches its followers not to accept slavery of any aggressor and worship only Allah the Almighty.
This means that Sharia must be instituted. To order society by any other law would be to accept the "slavery" of the "aggressor." This accords with the teachings of Ahmed's mentor Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, and other influential radicals such as Sayyid Qutb, as I explain in Onward Muslim Soldiers.
“Denial of justice spawns cruelty in society and paves the way for injustice and atrocities against the oppressed and the poor,” he said. He said the Holy Quran was revealed in Ramazan and it teaches the Ummah to wage jihad against terrorism and establish a system based on justice and equity. He said Islam also teaches to Muslims strengthen themselves.“The people of Kashmir and Palestine are facing state terrorism. America, Israel and India have become terrorist states and killing innocent people in the occupied Muslim territories,” he said.
Bingo - Muslims impose slavery because contemptible infidels are only worthy of being enslaved, demonstrating again that Muslims hold us in disdain and will not stop until they have achieved their goal through jihad - the enslavement of the entire world under the banner of the Caliphate with us all under their feet.
This is unacceptable. We will have to lead if the elite doesn't get it soon!
Is there a gas we can spray or something we can put in the water in these countries to get these people to wake up to the 21st century?
These news clips just show that the "reforming" of Islam is not just improbable, but absolutely impossible.
OLD TURTLE has apparently returned this morning with quite the rant on the article entitled JIHADISTS THREATEN "UNBEARABLE HELL". He is not so humble as he was in his first comments. I wonder if it is the same OLD TURTLE?
So that's how the word "khazi" became a British slang word for "toilet", it must have originally been the arabic for "TALKING S***E"!!!
So they move into a society that has created a living standard far superior to any they had access to before they left their Islamic Paradise. In complete blindness to reality, they maintain their own superiority (even though they couldn't create a decent living standard themselves) They build up their numbers and then start demanding changes from their gracious hosts. 'We want more respect' 'We want headscarves' 'we want Sharia' When a few of the natives say 'Shut the fck up! Immediately they claim racism and that they are the victims of aggression. Once they can claim that they are being aggressed, the jihads on baby.
"Jihad Is Not Terrorism"
Well of course it isn't.
How can a spritual struggle against ones inner-self be terrorism.
What a complete and utter bag of bollocks!!!
This fool is trying to claim that the nut-cakes blowing themselves to kingdom come, while driving a car near a crowd of innocent people, just trying to earn a living, or make a better life for themselves, killing and maiming the maximum number of innocents possible, because the gullible loony has been told by some fat ,sweaty, pork-pie eating cleric that doing so will grant him a one way ticket to paradise (evidently ;judging by the paradise muslims see Earth becoming under Sharia rule, it is not much different to what christians refer to as hell), is justified because Iraq is under "occupation". Sorry but thats a fucked up logic. I'd have had slightly more respect for him if he'd have been equally dishonest, but at least within the realms of realism, by declaring that jihad/terrorist attacks against US troops are justified, because they are "the occupiers".
But what in gods name did Ken Bigley, Mageret O'Reilly (like another poster here the other day I refuse to call her by her fake muslim name, so have made one, albeit Irish sounding, up for her) and all of the other aid workers , and nurses do wrong apart from trying to help rebuild Iraq (in my eyes it's starting to look like thats the wrong decision, seen as we are getting so little thanks for it, mainly due to anti-western propaganda on Al Jazeera).
This snake better pray; that now we've got another four years of Bush rather than that murderer-appeasing, pussy John Kerry; we don't start thiking with the same logic towards them.
Don't the nothings realise if we wanted to we have the power to napalm every last one of Iraqs cities, turning it's population to ash. But we're not nazis(we = the right...whatever nationality) as the left keep saying we are .God help the islamofacsist bastards if we were.... or maybe they should be thankful that the left aren't their enemies....with all the hatred among that sector of society, their rage alone could do the napalming for them!!!
Mackie:
"Old Turtle" is a muslim troll. The signs are there.
Jihad is a struggle for justice?,whoes version of justice are we talking about,considering that CAIR's own admission on their site shows that
it takes Ramadan to get Muslims to care for others for only 1/12 of the year,speaks volumes about the other 11 months where they aren't expected to give a shit about anyone.
This expalains the denial and paranoia fron Islamic cleric's and the murdering of Muslims by Muslims(that's until a JEW shows up) that gets overlooked as the will of Allah to show Muslims the price for not being peaceful and tolerant.
Be careful buying a house from a Muslim real estate agent,that hole in the roof will be listed as a "Built in skylight" and the bad insulation
wil be a "accurate indoor weather detector",the small backyard will be a "low maintainance lawn"
and sqeaky floor are really "intrusion detectors" for night time security.
Van Gogh just didn't see the true meaning of jihad,he's part of Allah's will to help mankind
see the costs of rejecting islam,and it should be very comforting for all of you to know that the plane you're on that's about to slam into a office tower by the hijacker screaming "Allah'a akbar",isn't really a "true" muslim but is still working for Allah to murder Gods children to teach us a lesson about not obeying the Quran and embrace peace within Islam.
NO HIS LAMB
KNOW WIRLED PEAS
Translation: No islam - know world peace
There is an excellent Dutch blog
www.zachtei.nl
which is really worth reading. It gives a lot of common sense commentary and links to the recent events surrounding Van Gogh's murder. The site is mostly in English even though the blogger is Dutch.
Adolph Freaking Hitler managed to set up a belief system that had some aggressive, mean SOBs believing that they were victims and that they needed to struggle. The Treaty of Versailles was completely against Germans and this was the cause of all the troubles. Now, don't think about WW I and don't think about the reasons that the treaty had to be written in the first place. All you need to know is that Germany is being kept down by outside powers. What? You can't get riled up about some Treaty?? How about the Jews?? They are the cause of all the troubles. We must struggle!! We must struggle!! No inferior outsiders have the right to determine what we do. They are all against us. We must struggle!!
Death to all those who were part of the Versailles Treaty!!
Death to Jews!!
Death to ---------
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
'We occupy their holy sites. '~ so says Old Turtle
Ok, I realize this guy is a Troll, but Old Turtle, please tell me where this is or has Ever taken place, by US troops?
Yes, Muslims have a way of creating peace and justice like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Taliban Afghanistan! These savages are the ultimate fascist hypocrites!
I just thought it appropros to simply give a few quotes from that Dumbass Book, the Quran......
Al-Anfal 10-15: 'I will strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Oh ye who believe, strike at their necks.' And who are these 'disbelievers'? Al Imran 84-86: (Jews) 'a people who have disbelieved after having believed.' Al Imran 119-121: 'you (Islamics) believe in the The Book, but they (Jews) only pretend to do so.' MaIdah 83: 'the bitterest people of enmity against the believers to be the Jews and pagans.' Al Tauba 30-35: 'Christians say the Messiah is Allah's son..(they) imitate the sayings of those who disbelieved before them.' 'Allah ruin them, how they (Christians) have turned from the truth. They have taken lords beside Allah, and also the Messiah son of Mary.' 'One God.' 'Holy is He (Allah) above associates (Jesus).' 'Disbelievers'. These themes are not exclusive to these verses, but indeed form a central theme in the Quran. And what to do with these disbelievers is clear: Al Imran 125 -130 commands the Islamics to fight the disbelievers, and 'utterly destroy those who disbelieve.' Verses 150 and 152: 'we shall strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved.' Al Nisa 89-92: 'kill them wherever you find them.' And verses 96-100 relates how those who fail to strike the disbelievers go themselves to hell. Of course, elsewhere paradise awaits the bloodletters. These verses also give a roadmap for 'emigration' for Islamics, which, 1400 years later, apparently includes America. Al Nisa 102-104: the 'disbelievers' are your declared enemies. Al Nisa 105: slacken not in seeking the enemy. Al Nisa 156-162: Jesus did not die on the cross. Al Nisa 172: say not 'there are three gods' (a reference to the trinity). 'Jesus was but a messenger'. 'His Holiness brooks not that He shall have a son'.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A30183-2004Nov6?language=printer
washingtonpost.com
Saudi Religious Scholars Support Holy War
By HUSSEIN DAKROUB
The Associated Press
Saturday, November 6, 2004; 9:04 AM
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Prominent Saudi religious scholars have called on Iraqis to support militants waging holy war against the U.S.-led coalition forces, saying fighting the occupation was a duty and a right.
In an open letter to the Iraqi people and posted on the Internet Saturday, 26 Saudi scholars and religious preachers stressed that armed attacks launched by militant Iraqi groups on U.S. troops and their allies in Iraq were "legitimate" resistance.
The statement came as U.S. troops, backed by air and artillery power, were gearing up for a major assault on the militant stronghold of Fallujah.
The scholars - some of whom have been criticized in the past for their extremist views - issued a fatwa, or religious edict, prohibiting Iraqis from offering any support for military operations carried out by U.S. forces against militant strongholds.
"Fighting the occupiers is a duty for all those who are able. It is a jihad (holy war) to push back the assailants ...," said the letter. "Resistance is a legitimate right. A Muslim must not inflict harm on any resistance man or inform about them. Instead, they should be supported and protected."
Among the 26 scholars who signed the letter are influential Sunni Muslim clerics, Sheik Safar al-Hawali, Sheik Nasser al-Omar, Sheik Salman al-Awdah, Sheik Sharif Hatem al-Aouni and Sheik Awad al-Qarni.
Al-Hawali - jailed in the 1990s for five years without trial because of his criticism of U.S. involvement in the 1991 Gulf War - is known for his radical views and was once close to al-Qaida terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.
Like many Islamic extremists, al-Hawali also opposed the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. His name appeared this month on a list issued by a group of Arab intellectuals who seek prosecution of prominent clerics for encouraging terrorism.
The scholars said their appeal was prompted by "the extraordinary situation through which the Iraqis are passing which calls for unity and exchange of views."
The scholars said inter-Iraqi fighting would cause "great damage to the Iraqis and give a free service to the Jews who are infiltrating into Iraq and to the coalition forces which exploit differences to consolidate their domination."
The invasion angered many in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and home to its two holiest cities.
The Saudi government has launched a military campaign against militants that started after al-Qaida-affiliated operatives attacked three residential compounds in Riyadh in May 2003.
© 2004 The Associated Press
I love this quotation:
As if any Jew in their right mind would set foot in Iraq. These Saudi scholars inhabit a cloud cuckoo land which is impossible for Western thinkers to visit. They inhabit this world where 15 million Jews control the government of the United States, where 15 million Jews control the governments of every country in the world, where 15 million Jews control all the media in the whole world. All of these Saudi clerics are literally INSANE. If they lived in a Western country, they would be certified for treatment in a mental hospital.
A BBC Romance Story On Pakistani Tribesmen, True, Islamic, Jihadist Grit
He could kill you with his smile...
Muslims have brought everything bad upon themselves. They are the only ones to blame. They could have been a successful "race" of people with all their oil but they squandered everything for the sake of a false "religion" and a social doctrine that is incompatible with all other non muslim countries.
They will eventually be defeated, deported and ostracized from the rest of the world. They shall be the ones who will know the true meaning of dhimmitude.
There is a new psychological theory evolving in the area of socio-psychosis.. quite fascinating indeed which I will include in my research on cultural domination and systematic suppression of opposing socio-political ideologies. I have found the posting at this site intriguing in the regard that they clearly illustrate several forms of sociopathic thinking in varying degrees.
For the purpose of this posting, we shall call the theory "The Theory of Sociocultural Maladaption" - "the imposition of cultural standards adapted to suit geopolitical trends that disproportionately benefit the minority as opposed to the majority". Eliminated from this definition deliberately is the term, "the common good", a term that is becoming increasing relative to the current group in power.
Socio-psychosis, that state of mind when reality is based upon belief of a group or society in a set of false principles and perceived "truths" that have no sound basis in reality (the principle of cultural domination, the principle of religious domination, the principal of western domination), is becoming more pervasive, more polarized. Hume, Locke, and Descartes would be delighted once again to see minds grappling with what is reality, and what is perceived as reality. I thank you all for reviving this two-hundred-year-old discussion.
To the point: the imposition of western cultural hegenomy unmasked is the new racism of the 21st century. But since America, in its state of altruistic "enlightment", abolished racism internationally and now seeks to eradicate it in the most remote reaches (so it claims), the War of Terror can't be a racist war. It can't be a war of racial genocide, but it CAN be a war of genocidal intent against groups that uphold opposing ideologies.
So, the ideologues have settled upon waging a war against political and religious ideology with the support of the "unwashed masses", escaping the consequences of declaring an openly bigotted and racist war against nations of the third world, the non-capitalist frontier that needs to be conquered to sustain America's economic viability in the 21st century, winner take all:
1) "Terrorism" as a methodology yields a discussion on jihad only in relation to the culture which allegedly supports the ideology.
2) Human rights, particularly for women (gender equity), do not exist outside the framework of western civilization, because free will to exploit is preferred over free will to oppress. Statistics on sexual crimes support the theory that freedom does not guarantee gender equity (something America claims to be trying to enforce in non-western countries), especially for women living in western countries, yet only women in non-western countries are perceived as living in oppressive cultures.
3) The killing of innocents, women and children, particularly in residential areas is justified collateral damage in the fight against insurrgency and is not terrorism, because armies do not wage terror, only terrorist organizations wage terror.
4) Western cultural domination laced with neo-facist religious rhetoric is not a jihad because no such word exists in english.
These are all excellent examples of the new conditional reality socio-psychosis that seems to have become the mindset of the western masses, and anyone that does not agree with the ideological majority and global minority will simply be killed and dispatched to the reality of death.
Using the September 11 terror attacks as a pretext as well as the threat of future attacks by islamist terror, the dribbling supremism that appears on this page is likened to a man, filled with self-importance, placing his head under an elephant's foot he believed he has trained. The elephant makes up for in massive tonnage what he lacks comparatively in brains, and will surely squash the man's head in short work like a casaba melon (so much for the man's intellectual advantage), but the man, believing himself superior to the elephant, proceeds to his demise.
Another similitude is that of a woman who believes her invisible aura as a superior human being, will allow her to playfully pat a 1,000 pound polar bear. Supremacy, too, is relative, as she soon learns.
So if we removed the illusion of supremacy, we are left only with vulnerability. If we realize we are vulnerable, we must then reduce our vulnerability. If we don't realize we are vulnerable, we do nothing, act as we always have, and adher to our illusion of supremacy.
America has now sufficiently positioned itself in the most vulnerable of positions because of its cult of denial, its illusion of supremacy, and all its enlightened minds stand helplessly watching, waiting for the terror that will inevitably follow. America is not alone in its denial, but is joined by all those that revel in a civilization that at best is less than 1,000 years old.
The illusion of safety will give way to the reality of death and destruction rent by man's weapons and greed, of carnage on an unimagineable, unthinkable scale, likened to tales of the ancients in the torah, bible, and quran... when armies were swallowed by rivers, cities pummeled into ash, children slaughtered, and streets run red with blood. Man will then be witness to a hell of his own creation to which there is no escape no refuge of illusion. All reality will become meaningless as the unthinkable becomes real. Then and only then will man understand the depths of his inhumanity, and his innate depravity in the physical realm.
Until then, psychology is sufficient for analysis of man's psyche, in the hopes the he may pull himself back from the brink of destruction.. while there is still time.
Cross, correction. Muslims are multi-ethnic, multi-racial, i.e., not a "race". They are not angloeuropian, indoeuropian, etc. There are ethnic muslims who are not arab, and arabs who are not muslim.
Please try to learn more about your topic before spewing bigotry.
Christianity has its own battle to fight if it wishes to emulate the life of Christ:
1) it must stand for justice of all, particularly those who are poor, weak, and oppressed
2) it must uphold the Commandments, the first of which is "place on partners with God". God wrote the commandments, not Jesus. There is no commandment that says worship anything in creation, including Jesus. Of course, abridged versions of the original biblical text infer diefication upon Jesus, but it is not a Commandment from God.
3) another commandment says "bear no false witness against God"; that means don't put words in God's mouth and don't invent lies against God. Not a good policy if you call yourself Christian.
4) Invite the children to the love of God through kindness, not by dropping cluster bomblets disguised as food ration packages in their plow shares and fields.
5) Do not covet your neighbor and steal what belongs to him. That includes his land and property.
6) And one of the most important commandments completely forgotten by the christian zionists and fundamentalist, "thou shall NOT KILL". Please reconcile your christian beliefs in the context of these Commandments.
Rather than wasting time fighting Islam, whose numbers continue to grow world-wide, get busy praciticing what you preach so you can be counted as one of the true followers of Christ.
hatshepsut,
Rubbish. Socio-psychosis, you must be talking about the psychosis imbedded in islamic muslims who cannot fit into western societies because of their flawed and outdated beliefs and their arrogant and spiteful hatred of civilized societies.
You are a just a dime a dozen pseudo academic. Your words are so much puffery with no real substance, it's just cheap academia speak. You attempt in vain to completely dismiss any culpability on the part of the islamic world.
You have wasted your time because nothing is going to stop the carnage in Iraq and anywhere else that fanatics try to oppress freedom and human dignity.
Like I said, islamics have brought this on themselves. No one else is responsible.
You are a coward and a pinhead. You should pick up an AK so our troops can make a martyr out of you, would'nt all the people you defend be proud of that?
There should be another Commandment: Don't feed the trolls.
hatshepsut~ Why have you chosen the name of a Pharaoh? What does Egyptian history have to do with islam, since most of it predates islam by thousands of years, and was Superior to islam then, now, and forever? Can you explain to me why islamists want to destroy the Pyramids? Is it because You are in deNile of a culture superior to your own?
"Rather than wasting time fighting Islam, whose numbers continue to grow world-wide, get busy praciticing what you preach so you can be counted as one of the true followers of Christ."
Being true followers of Christ didn't help the south Sudanese much, did it? If it's all the same to you, I'll stick to the worship of technology.
Please spare the Iranian babes
They say that 75% of Muslims are moderate, and it's the other 25% who believe and practice their war of Jihad. I have heard moderate Muslims say that they don't act out of guilt.
In essence we can't depend on them. I used to be a real liberal, and still am far as environmental issues. Maybe we do screw up other people's countries but they will get screwed up alot more if Islamic Law is spread
Notice that in the current Iraq conflict the Arabs and other Muslims are closed to all dialogue with non-muslims--dialogue by which a multi-lateral solution with beneficial provisions for all sides might have been made possible. Islam has ensured that death and destruction are the only available options in the present conflict between Islam and the United States. There was never any prospect of peace between the non-muslim United States and the Middle East. Nor will there ever be. Islam actually forbids it and precludes all chances of any peaceful outcomes in situations such as the present Iraq conflict. We dare say the imams of the Middle east are very busy in their mosques inducing (through their usual progandistic hate-diatribes against America and the west)in their Muslim congregations a hunger to commit massive slaughter of non-muslims in the Iraqi conflict and elsewhere under the unproven claim (which no one could publicly question anyway) that they are being oppressed by the 'Zionist crusaders.'
Islam both operates in and inhabits an intellectual vacuum in which only the imams possess any right to remain alive at all. They can kill for any reason of their choosing. All the imams need do is invent a convincing reason to open the Islamic killing machinery. The popular code for the latter is "Zionist crusaders." That is the real lesson of the current predicament in Iraq. Nothing will change. Blood will tell.
hashcake
{{There is a new psychological theory evolving in the area of socio-psychosis.. quite fascinating indeed which I will include in my research on cultural domination and systematic suppression of opposing socio-political ideologies}}
errmmmm...are you going to apply it to Islam, the Imperialism that seeks to wipe out every other culture and religion on Earth, seeks domination of all non believers, global hegemony, the erasure of all non Muslim peoples, their religions and civilisations, and categorises non muslims as sub human insects, dhimmis and kaffirs?
I think you should, you pompous Jew hating bigot (Just tell me again about how te Jews were responsible for 9/11) ;-)
Talk about a skunk telling another animal that they stink. The conceit is amazing, but understandable, given the doctrine of Islamo Fascism you subscribe to.
:-D
Islamic terror or jihad resembles traditional terrorism on the outside. But on the inside islamic terror is far more insidious than other forms of terror: islamic terror is the outgrowth of a human 'culture' (for want of a better waord) that has been practicing human sacrifice for at least 3000 years (in the 1950's a mosque was unearthed at Hazor,Palestine that is over 3000 years old, so we can tell Islam is over 3000 years old). 3000 years of human sacrifice now turned into a killing machine. Thus, Islam and much of the Middle East has no taboo on killing whatever. They will apply unlimited slaughter as a political weapon everywhere they get access to--in order to reinstate human sacrifice as a global force as the west has done with nation-states and other western ideas. And they have no intention of relentting anytime soon.
Doctor Phibes (loved that movie), did you not know that the "black africans" in Darfur are also muslim? They are not ethnic arabs, but they are muslim? Did you miss that point?
Now, there are animist and christians in other parts of Sudan, but this is not the case in Darfur. Also, have you ever heard of the "Lords Resistance Army" founded by Alice Lakewana, a charismatic catholic from the Acholi tribe in Angola? All these factors figure in this equation, but have been selectively ommitted by our media.
The LRA has been on a brutal rampage for more than 10 years in the same region, killing, raping and pillaging. But the world's attention is fixated on the "arab muslim janjaweed". What would you bet they can't tell a janjaweed from a cactus weed, a sudanese fighter from an acholi?
Pythagorus, I disagree with your assessment, though I understand how it was deduced. It's getting late but you seem reasonable and open to discussion. If you can, find the post I submitted in response to Hugh's observations in another thread. And let me know if you would like to discuss further.
(sigh) Gary, I don't think you intended a put down but it came across as a veiled one. Nonetheless, I do not consider any past civilization which is not relegated to museum artifacts to be superior.
Now, I am a student of egyptology, that is true, and there is no inconsistency in studying archaeology, egyptology, geology, or any other science and being muslim. By studying ancient civilizations, greek, roman, egyptian, etc., it is possible to learn what caused their demise, and enrich your knowledge with their achievements. This is what all socieiies SHOULD do.
Now, I can't answer questions that are left to theologians and islamic scholars, but I can say during the time of Muhammad, christian churches and jewish synagogues were not destroyed. These places of worship were sustained, and the people were allowed free access as they were accustomed. This practice continued for several hundred years, through several of the islamic dynasties. I believe it first came into conflict during the Fatimids the predecessors of modern day shi'ia, who did not believe this practice should be allowed, and prevent christians from performing the annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Things change and evolve. people abandon correct ways for incorrect ways.
So, what you may see being practiced are anomalies and do not represent the teachings established by Muhammad and his true successors. So where does that leave this discuss? I really don't want to discuss religion in this context, its not germaine to my research, but I do want to be polite.
"KARACHI: The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal’s chief, Qazi Husain Ahmed, defended jihad on Friday and said it could not be equated with terrorism because it manifested struggle for the right of the oppressed against the cruel and was aimed at establishing a society based on justice."
Could someone name just one Jihad for me in Islams Golden Age that wasn't purely about agressively conquering, exterminating and enslaving innocent non-muslim human beings?
What? Is that a pin I hear dropping?
For the first 400 years of Islams golden age there arnt any defensive Jihads. I am sure the millions of non-muslims massacred would agree with me along with the millions of systematically raped non-muslim women.
Obl r us, please educate us. Name and discuss some of these jihadist campaigns.
P.S. I know someone may whinge about the Jihad about the crusades as being defensive but then again the crusades only happened after the christians took 400 years of Islamic rape, murder and slavery.
hatshepsut
You should be able by just googling find all that you need to know about Jihad against the west and against non-muslims.
Here is one link for you. These links are easy to find on the internet.
http://www.isisforum.com/jihad/subjects.htm
P.S. I think this link has a quite concise but comprehensive overview of it all.
I thank you all for your comments. I will be checking regularly and chronologizing the personalities I find and trying to develop a typography of the face of hatred unmasked.
Again, my objective is not to proslethize, nor to legitimize a 1,400 year old religion with 2 billion adherents world wide. My aim is research into the mind of hatred, which seems to know limitless bounds.
Good day, all.
Interesting link, Mr. obl, but remiss in its analysis by one critical point:
Muhammad was an illiterate who could neither read nor write. Do you believe he had the intellectual capacity to write 119 chapters, which include historical accounts of pre-islamic events in the classical arabic genre of the time?
The quran, "koran" as you say, was never written in the time of Muhammad and in fact was not written in its current arrangement of chapters for another 10 to 15 years after his death, this compared to the 40-year period after the death of Jesus during which the bible began to be written.
Unfortunately, the ISIS movement is jaundiced by these glaring inaccuracies, which make their objects suspect.
Muhammad did not invent the quran, he received it through revelation, which he recited to his companions, and he forbade it to be written down for fear it would be plagerized and adultered.
As for the jihadist campaigns, I had hoped you would provide a chronology of references to which you referred, not website links of suspicious nature. If you drink from a tainted cup you will think poisoned thoughts.
What are you saying hatshepsut?
Are you saying that the events in the link I provided didn't happen. That the violent atrocities against non-muslims by muslims throughout history outlined on the webpage didn't occur? I don't hate you hatshepsut, but the things you say are illogical. Like a revisionist for nazis what you are insinuating is extremely dangerous. The events in the link I provided you are DID happen. If you didn't like the link I provided there are plenty other sources that will coorberate the events described in the link.
What disturbs me is you MUST know how non-muslims were horribly mistreated under islamic rule but you are choosing to try and discredit efforts to recoginse this publicly.
I THINK WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS UTTERLY DISPICABLE
2 billion? What a Lying Bastard.
So now it's 2 Billon Muslims worldwide,this lie will be repeated until it's accepted as the truth,but don't forget,Muslims will insist they have no power to stop terrorism because they aren't "True" followers of islam and don't go to Mosques or talk to other Muslims.
NO HIS LAMB
KNOW WHIRLED-PEAS
MUSLIM TROLL ALERT.
They are getting more articulate but the signs are always there.
It's a simple exercise if you have time to calculate the number of muslims worldwide. There are more than 6 million the U.S., mostly converts (sorry, I know most of you want them to be arab infiltrators, but not so).
Add up the populations of all the arab countries, then look at the others. Arabs are the minority in the muslim world. Someone posted here that they make up about 20% of the muslim world. Who makes up the other 80%?
Indonesia is the largest muslim country. What is the population of Indonesia?
Other countries you might want to look up population statistics in the world book with large muslim populations include Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, the Phillipines, Iran, India (not Pakistan), Afghanistan, Nigeria, Senegal, Kenya, South Africa, Egypt, Libya, Ghana, Cameroon, Sudan, Morocco, Algeria, and Mauritania.
There are also minority populations of muslims in Russia and China, as well as the near east (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.)
The World Health Organization site might also be helpful in helping you calculate these statistics.
OBL, I would be more than happy to listen as you discuss these attrocities, so that I can better understand your perspective. In doing so, please share the source of your information (preferrably not websites of dubious nature).
In other words, so-and-so from University xyz, or abc institute. Establish the line of credibility of your findings, so we can understand them in context.
This is also helpful in eliminative cohort bias.
GUYS:
STOP ENGAGING THE MUSLIM TROLL. If it were truly here to merely "observe" it could do that aplenty without serving as an agent provocateur. Don't encourage it, and it will go the way of all the other failed posers . . .
Questions that I would sincerely appreciate if some of you would kindly answer:
In the past 6 months:
1) I have come in contact with arabs or muslims in my workplace, place of worship, or neighborhood.
(y / n)
2) engaged muslims or arabs in a face to face dialogue about Islam.
3) attended a lecture at a church which discussed Islam
4) attended an interfaith discussion about Islam and other religions
5) watched a television documentary about Islam
6) physically attended a lecture or service at a local mosque
7) physically attended a lecture or service at a local synagogue
8) attended a lecture at a local college or university about Islam
9) come in contact with arabs or muslims in the course of my daily affairs
10) befriended at least one arab or muslim in the course of my daily affairs
Thank you for your comments.
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Anyone who chooses to answer this moron, hateshutup, remember:
He is trying to classify what kind of Hate you suffer from. Which is an Outright LIE about YOU.
He is totally bogus. Why do you keep bothering with him? So he can make a report to post on islamic hate sites around the world?
Don't let this bastard get away with an attempt to discredit. Do not let him do what the Left will be pleased to have him do! Think!
This is the same kind of bastard that worked to dehumanize people in Nazi Germany.
I post to no islamic hate sites.. wouldn't know where such sites are found. Perhaps Gary does.
I believe most such sites have long since been removed from the internet. Perhaps Gary knows others.
I ask these survey questions to support research I am doing in this forum and others about neo-fascism as its related socio-psychosis.
I'm looking to see what sociopathology lies beneath the surface for those who hate for the sake of hatred, and those who hate based on perception of other groups, but are open to new information. I call these groups for the purpose of this survey, "inducers", inductive reasoners, and "deducers" deductive reasoners.
The hypothesis is that deductive reasoners will be receptive and open to new information, facts, and ideas as they emerge. Inductive reasoners have already pasted the analysis stage and formulated social theory, so they are not open to new information as it may emerge.
In the ranking of deductive reasoners, the "deducers" at the type of the hierarchy should be the most open-minded reasoners, able to adjust perceptions based on new facts, and at the bottom, those more affected by extraneous information, such as cohort biases.
Here are the questions.
Questions that I would sincerely appreciate if some of you would kindly answer:
In the past 6 months:
1) I have come in contact with arabs or muslims in my workplace, place of worship, or neighborhood.
(y / n)
2) engaged muslims or arabs in a face to face dialogue about Islam.
3) attended a lecture at a church which discussed Islam
4) attended an interfaith discussion about Islam and other religions
5) watched a television documentary about Islam
6) physically attended a lecture or service at a local mosque
7) physically attended a lecture or service at a local synagogue
8) attended a lecture at a local college or university about Islam
9) come in contact with arabs or muslims in the course of my daily affairs
10) befriended at least one arab or muslim in the course of my daily affairs
Thank you for your comments.
If you do not want to post your answers to the 10 survey questions here, please email them to me at info@amwanet.org
All replies will be answered. These survey questions will be posted in other similar forums and web logs.
Thank you for your participation.
hatshepsut is gifted with the eloquence of arundahti roy, and nearly as confused
to posit that the Bible was written 40 years after Christ (it is true that Revelation was written around this time) is ridiculous in the extreme -- perhaps one can find some theologians from the historical critical methodology who still embrace such rubbish, but it flies in the face of archaeology, historical documentation, the prophesorial structure of the old testament, as well as the empiricism of the emerging field of Bible codes
to admonish folks concerned about politics and the ramifications that the jihad holds for our national security by proselytizing with instruction on how to be a better Christian completely ignores the american constitutional separation of church and state not to mention the actual theology of the old testament that makes difference between one's personal life and the decisions of the state. were we to abandon our defenses based on this misinterpretation of scripture, we would surely soon succumb to the jihadist hordes who by following the tenants of their false religion would put us to the sword were we not to convert to such false religion or succumb to dhimmi slavery. no thank you. give me liberty or give me death!
as for an understanding of Christianity, i would suggest to hatsupshet that she read proverbs, then the sermon on the mount, then all 4 gospels, then daniel, then revelation. and pray for guidance
Until then, psychology is sufficient for analysis of man's psyche, in the hopes the he may pull himself back from the brink of destruction.. while there is still time.
Posted by: hatshepsut at November 6, 2004 02:11 PM
Who the fuck is this guy.... anti-Hugh????
Doctor Phibes (loved that movie), did you not know that the "black africans" in Darfur are also muslim? They are not ethnic arabs, but they are muslim? Did you miss that point?
Hatshesput,
What point exactly??? What is your point, I don't quite get it.... are you saying then that because the blacks slaughtered in Darfur were muslims killed by muslims, that makes it any less brutal and babaric.
It's very well known by most here that the black people in Darfur are muslims, and that that is the very reason why the racist islamo-nazi pigs running the sudanese government are calling for them to be exterminated... because they are black !!!
Oh and you also opined our media failed to mention that the LRA kill people too, and they are christians. I'm sure the liberal media elite would passionately cover any kind of widescale christian uprising...so they can't be doing that much "raping and pillaging". Thats beside the point anyway, the LRA may be catholic, but the question is: Are they killing non-christian because they are not christians, or of the same race???.
I await you r response doc!!!