This petition, "U.S. Marine kills wounded insurgent" (thanks to Dennis), is in support of the Marine depicted in Kevin Sites' video, killing an Iraqi. It emphasizes that the Iraqi insurgents do not follow the rules of warfare, and so cannot be accorded the same treatment that is given to those who do. This story, "Insurgents Wave White Flag, Fire On U.S. Troops In Fallujah" emphasizes the truth of that.
Please sign.
No, I won't sign. I think that we should have higher standards than Iraqi insurgents.
Killing unarmed soldiers is against the Geneva convention.
I signed. I did so to thumb my nose at a Leftism which claims to be pacifistic, yet cheers for class wars and "people's wars"; that scorns "bourgeois morality" as hypocrisy on every campus in the land, but then suddenly becomes oh so solicitous for legal niceties when their side is injured.
The Geneva conventions and other laws of war are a monument to an era of intra-Western warfare in which uniformed armies were the rule. If you are going to fight a "people's war" in which there are no rules, expect to be shot when you're down--especially if you are booby-trapped.
Voltaire, I normally agree with your posts 100% but on this I have to disagree. Firstly, the enemy combatant was in civilian clothing NOT in uniform , thus NOT a soldier. These people are TERRORISTS remember and not covered by the Geneva Convention.. Second, the marine in question was aware that these thugs had already blown up two Marines by pretending to play dead and then detonating a booby-trap bomb as the Marines were checking them out. Thirdly , should this Marine have left a wounded terrorist behind who could have either shot another Marine or, again, detonated a hidden bomb as more Marines entered the mosque ? The Marine in question did what all soldiers would do in extreme combat situations - it is a case of kill or be killed. Lastly, even if the Marines shot every prisoner they took they would still have higher standards then the islamic terrorists they are fighting against.
Killing unarmed soldiers is against the Geneva convention.
Killing noncombatants or lawful combatants who have surrendered or been rendered "hors de combat" -- typically meaning wounded beyond the ability to resist -- is against the Geneva Conventions.
In this case:
a) Someone who fired from a mosque while dressed in civilian clothes is not a lawful combatant, and is not protected by the Geneva Convention. He could have been captured, interrogated, and then shot without violating either the spirit or the letter of the Conventions.
b) False surrenders and faking being wounded -- when done to gain tactical advantage -- are also violations of the Geneva Conventions. Again, by his behavior he voided any protection under the Conventions.
Don't believe what the loons say about the Geneva Conventions. Read them yourself; all of this is clearly stated.
The first time I read about that shooting, I thought, "how awful" (against the marine) because of how the media presented it. Then I saw the video on TV.
Had that marine not killed that terrorist pretending to be dead, then Kevin Sites might not have lived beyond that day.
Hey gang, I received an e-mail from the director at NoJihad.com about a show on Fox this Tuesday exposing the very rodents we talk about daily on this great site.
Has anyone else heard about this show being aired?
I signed it a few days ago.
My comment was that if a man wants to surrender he should raise his hands above his head.
So called 'Insurgents' torture to death any American soldiers and civilians who fall into their hands. Every one of the Jihadists dead is one less terrorist to fight. Am wasting no tears on this 'holy warrior' dispatched to his Satanic Master. Sign Petition folks. I did.
I signed it days ago too. This war is not like any other we have fought. The Geneva Convention applys to civilized combatants.
War is hell, but it is even tougher when the enemy embraces, and celebrates death over life.
In this kind of war, several of the so called Geneva war ethics cannot apply, and should not apply. The enemy is not so easy to Identify, he does not wear the uniform of a soldier in a military unit as the Americans do. He will try to kill you anyway he can without any compunction while taking his own life in the process. Already to many Americans have been killed, or seriously injured by trying to comport with the politically correct entrapments of many of the Geneva conference rules. This enemy lives by its own rules (none)---Our soldiers are forced too, and must adapt to many of their rules so that we can reduce our own body bag count.
pHYSO KILLER IN WIS. fROM mpls IS a mUSSI GANG MEMBER WHO IS OUT TO TAKE OUR GUNS hUNTERS BEWARE!!
Use you EYES and Beware there are Terrorist in them Woods!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Good site to let the troops know you are behind them is
www.Americasupportsyou.mil
another site to look at is
www.bbcwatch.com
Catherine quoted this comment earlier -
"I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by 6"
I signed the petition supporting this soldier a few days ago and offered to send a check to fund this soldier's defense.
Our honorable American military has performed it's duty in this war - using remarkable restraint - under relentless and thankless scrutiny by our msm.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!
DCWatson - I can't wait to see the FOX special on "EURABIA" - airing on Tuesday at 9 pm Eastern.
BTW, Fox also aired a stunningly un-PC program last night titled "Hating America".
At one point in the program I nearly lost it - ROTFLOL . . .TOTALLY unprepared for the level of takiyya and kitman that a fwench author used to present his 9/11 conspiracy theory.
When Fox's Gibson exposed the extreme farse in the author's "FBI/CIA/Mossad" complicity in the S-11 tragedy, Gibson demonstrated how the author used a report from the NJ paper, "The Bergen Record", in which 5 men are described as "Israeli tourists," picked up 8 hours after the WTC attack. Gibson demonstrated how this author uses a photo of one of the 'supposed' Mossad agents.
Believe it or not - the author used a photo of OJ Simpson.
Show your support of Fox News by writing to them - and - by expressing satisfaction directly to the individual sponsors of these Fox special reports like "Hating America" and "Eurabia". We should encourage more of this type of programming.
Article 4 of the Geneva Conventions defines a protected combatant:
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
Keep in mind that the Parties in a conflict are BOTH obligated to observe the Conventions for them to be applicable. Since the insurgents have not fought in accordance with the Geneva Conventions, their forces are not protected combatants.
just a reminder to people like ??
Voltair??
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CIA Documents Show Struggle Over China
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, Oct. 21, 2004
BEIJING -- The CIA is offering a rare glimpse into its successes and failures at trying to understand China during its first communist decades in a huge cache of newly declassified documents released this week in Washington.
The group of 71 intelligence reports covers three decades until 1976, the year communist founder Mao Zedong died. They reflect the U.S. intelligence agency's struggle to track China's political and economic evolution, its rise as a military power and its break with its former Soviet patrons. "The documents in this volume played an essential role in helping U.S. government leaders and officials formulate policy toward" China after the 1949 revolution, Robert L. Suettinger, a former intelligence analyst, wrote in an introduction to the collection.
"They are, in a sense, some of the foundation stones for a work that is still in progress."
The CIA says the reports, which include high-level National Intelligence Estimates, are the biggest single batch of declassified agency documents ever released.
They indicate that despite occasional missteps, assessments often were generally accurate. They included the conclusion that the Communist Party faced no serious challenges to its control, despite American support for Taiwan's rival Nationalists, which fled the mainland in 1949 after losing a civil war and hoped to return to power.
And despite conflicting signals during the chaos of the ultra-radical 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, they also foresaw that moderate political and military leaders would emerge to take power.
However, occasional mistakes are also revealed as the analysts tried to follow the secretive Beijing government, relying on Hong Kong press reports, interviews with ethnic Chinese who had visited relatives on the mainland, and other secondhand sources.
As China prepared to explode its first nuclear bomb, the CIA was aware of the preparations, but thought the country hadn't produced enough fissionable material for a test before the end of 1964. China set off its first explosion on Oct. 16, 1964.
ONCE AGAIN THE CIA WAS WRONG WHO DO YOU WANT TO TRUST??
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China's Geostrategy
Lev Navrozov
Friday, Oct. 15, 2004
Few Americans know that every year for the past five years the Pentagon has released an “Annual Report on the Military Power of the People’s Republic of China.” I had to call the Pentagon to get the Report of 2004. It was unavailable even in “Yahoo!”
No wonder! Those Americans who are publicly visible and/or audible have been preoccupied with Iraq (population 25 million) to such an extent that China (population 1.2 billion) seems to have disappeared soon after the Tiananmen Square massacre except as a tourist haven, occasionally glimpsed by the U.S. mainstream media. The Pentagon houses 26,000 military and civilian employees (and 3,000 “support personnel”) “dedicated to protecting our national interests,” as the Pentagon puts it.
The Pentagon has its own intelligence-espionage service, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). But, predictably for me, the Pentagon’s annual report on “the military power” of China contains no information that could not be found in the U.S. mainstream media.
About a year ago, one of the e-mails I received was from a Pentagon officer who said that he agreed with my Internet columns and that the Pentagon understands nothing about the geostrategy of China.
In every institution there are such outstanding individuals. When Commentary published in 1978 my article contending that the CIA and Western espionage-intelligence vis-a-vis dictatorships like Russia or China did not virtually exist, this was a shock (it was 1978, not 2004, when the ineptness of the CIA had become generally recognized!). But a senior CIA analyst (retired) told me that the situation in the CIA was even worse than I had described it, but if he said this publicly the CIA would have deprived him of his pension.
Yes, in big bureaucracies of the democratic West there are individuals who see the truth, but they cannot tell the truth publicly because this is the prerogative of the top of the bureaucratic hierarchy.
The Pentagon seems never to have read in the Chinese press about Project 863, founded in 1986, and Super-Project 863, founded in 1996, to develop post-nuclear superweapons in which China cannot be behind the Pentagon because the United States discontinued the development of some of such weapons in 1969 as contradicting the relevant international agreements, though there are Americans who believe that President Nixon’s announcement to this effect was a cunning U.S. ploy to mislead the world.
According to these Americans, it is the United States that is a secretive totalitarian country after world domination, which some of these Americans hail while others curse, and both are captivated by their fantasies about the military omnipotence of the infinitely glorious/infinitely evil United States.
The development of other superweapons, such as molecular nanoweapons, is lavished with money in China and starved in the United States. It can be recalled in this connection how unwilling Roosevelt’s government was to launch the Manhattan Project. But the United States was at war with Germany, also developing nuclear superweapons, and the Jewish emigre scientists, headed by the great Albert Einstein, importuned Roosevelt .
The Report of 2004 begins with “lessons learned [by China] from Operation IRAQI FREEDOM” (that is, the war in Iraq). There are five lessons. That is, China has been greatly impressed by the Pentagon’s war in Iraq and has drawn five instructions concerning the modernization of its backward weapons to advance them closer to the shining example of the Pentagon’s war in Iraq.
WHERE IS THE CIA??
Kerry knows all this but purposefully ignores the fact that Iran test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile (that can reportedly carry nuclear warheads) capable of reaching Israel on September 18 and also in August, and that Iranian leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has stated, “We must have two bombs ready to go in January” and that his goal is to “destroy the Zionist regime.”
In addition, Kerry, according to WND’s Andy Wilcoxson’s explosive article last week, has accepted money from the terrorist organization Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), an organization with ties to Osama bin Laden, Islamic terror organizations and the Iranian government. Its leader, Hashim Thaci, a Brooklyn resident, attended the Democratic Party’s convention in Boston this summer as well as a Kerry fund-raiser in New York at which a video was made (http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/18793157) showing KLA members writing checks to the Kerry campaign. According to Wilcoxson, “The KLA is directly threatening the safety of American personnel stationed in Kosovo. … John Kerry, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee from 1993 until 2000, must know who the KLA is, but he clearly doesn’t care.”
The Bush Factor
In less than four years, President Bush has revolutionized American foreign policy and instead of engaging in the terrorist-appeasing policies of his predecessor – which resulted in September 11, 2001, and the unmasking of the vast Islamo-facist network and its supporters, who wish only death to America – “brought the fight to our enemy.” In so doing, he put the world on notice that he fully understood and would aggressively fight the terrorist threat to our nation – as well as to Israel.
“The clarity of the president’s understanding of the nature of militant Islam is illustrated by his strong support for Israel’s right to defend itself against Arab terror and xenophobia,” said Kenneth J. Bialkin, former chairman of the Anti-Defamation League and now chairman of the America-Israel Friendship League. “He also understands the essential goodness of the people of Israel, their fierce adherence to the same principles of freedom and justice that define America, and the struggles they have endured to maintain their existence in the face of an implacable, atavistic hatred that burns in most parts of the Arab world and is abetted by the indifference of much of the world. As Yogi Berra said, ‘When you come to a fork in the road, take it.’ I choose the Bush fork.”
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NBC News: Explosives Were Gone When U.S. Troops Arrived
Susan Jones, CNSNews.com
Tuesday, Oct. 26, 2004
NBC News reported Monday night that 380 tons of missing explosives were already gone when U.S. troops arrived at the Al-Qaqaa weapons installation in April 2003 – one day after Saddam's government was toppled.
NBC should know. It had a reporter embedded with the U.S. troops when they arrived at Al-Qaqaa in April 2003. While the Kerry campaign blasted the Bush administration for "stunning incompetence" on Monday, many Bush supporters questioned the timing of the New York Times' report Monday about the missing explosives, just eight days before the presidential election.
NBC News correspondent Jim Miklaszewski suggested a political motive as well: In his report on the missing explosives Monday night, he quoted one official as saying, "Recent disagreements between the administration and the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency makes this announcement appear highly political."
CIA IS USING THE MSM TO GET THE MONEY AND POWER AND THEY ARE CONTROLED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT WE KNOW THAT STATE IS NOT IN THIS FIGHT WITH IT WHOLE HEART LOOK AT KJ??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/18/90133.shtml
Powell: Iran Is Trying to Fit Missiles for Nukes
NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, Nov. 18, 2004
SANTIAGO, Chile – The United States has intelligence indicating Iran is trying to fit missiles to carry nuclear weapons, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said.
Powell partially confirmed claims by an Iranian opposition group that Tehran is deceiving the United Nations and is attempting to secretly continue activities meant to give it atomic arms by next year. "I have seen intelligence which would corroborate what this dissident group is saying," Powell told reporters Wednesday as he traveled to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Santiago. "And it should be of concern to all parties."
Pressed by reporters on the intelligence reports, Powell said the intelligence indicated that Iran "had been actively working on delivery systems" capable of carrying a nuclear weapon.
A GIFT FROM CHINA?? LIKE A GIFT TO PACKIS FROM CHNA LOOK AT THE PLANS IN LIBYA IN CHINESE?? WHERE IS STATE [CIA]
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/102110.shtml
Iran Bought Blueprints of Nuclear Bomb, Opposition Group Says
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Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2004
VIENNA, Austria – Iran bought blueprints of a nuclear bomb from the same black-market network that gave Libya such diagrams and continues to enrich uranium despite a commitment to suspend the technology that can be used for atomic weapons, an Iranian opposition group said Wednesday.
Farid Soleimani, a senior official of National Council for Resistance in Iran, said the diagram was provided by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani head of the nuclear network linked to clandestine programs in Iran and Libya.
CAT AND MOUSE AND WHO IS FALLING FOR IT THE CIA??
Former U.N. nuclear inspector David Albright earlier this year described the Chinese design that Libya owned up to having as something "that would not take a lot of modifying" to fit it on Iran's successfully tested Shahab-3 ballistic missile.
The opposition group made its claim days after Iran announced it would suspend all activities related to nuclear enrichment as part of an agreement with three European nations aimed at heading off a confrontation over its nuclear program.
Soleimani said centrifuges and other equipment needed to produce enriched uranium had been covertly moved from a facility at Lavizan-Shian to a nearby site within Tehran's city limits.
The opposition group says Lavizan-Shian was home to the Center for Readiness and New Defense Technology and was part of the covert attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
The diplomat said the IAEA was looking into the possibility equipment was moved from Lavizan-Shian to an unknown location.
A report detailing IAEA investigations into Iran's nuclear programs prepared for the agency's Nov. 25 board meeting notes that Iran has failed to produce a trailer that apparently contained nuclear equipment at Lavizan-Shian for IAEA inspection.
The IAEA report also said Iran has "declined to provide a list of equipment used" at Lavizan-Shian, which the government says was home to research on how to reduce casualties in case of nuclear attack.
"The agency investigation of Lavizan ... is still open," said the diplomat. "They are still pursuing what happened to the equipment at Lavizan."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/83609.shtml
Iran, China Forming Major Alliance
Jon E. Dougherty, NewsMax.com
Thursday, Nov. 18, 2004
Just as the foreign policy team of the United States is getting a major overhaul with the resignation of Secretary of State Colin Powell comes new word of a major, growing alliance between "axis of evil" member Iran and communist China.
The relationship, which has been nurtured by both countries for decades, is growing exponentially now, primarily out of China's insatiable energy needs and Iran's increasing hunger for consumer goods, as the economies of both countries continue to expand.
MEET IN COSTA RICO THIS WEEKEND AND GUESS WHAT AN EARTHQUAKE??
November 22, 2004
History of Cooperation
For all intents, the match is a natural. But things weren't always rosy between the two powers.
Before the revolution, the last Chinese official to meet with the late Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi was Chinese Communist Party chief Hua Kuo-feng.
The meeting "left a very strong negative feeling about China among Iranians," Abbas Maleki, director of the Caspian Institute, a Tehran research organization, told the Post.
Ties have improved greatly since then, however. In August 2001, Iranian Ambassador to China Mohammad Hossein Malaek held a reception in Beijing to mark "the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Iran and China," China's People's Daily reported.
"In terms of economic relations, China has become one of the most important trade partners of Iran," said the paper. "At present, the Sino-Iranian political relations remain steady, and trade and economic ties are also developing fast…"
In March 2002, Wu Yi, a member of China's State Council, made a visit to Iran to meet with President Mohammad Khatami. Again, the focus of the visit was to improve trade and economic ties.
"The bilateral trade between China and Iran has increased fast in recent years, with trade volume reaching some 3.3 billion U.S. dollars last year, several times higher than that some 10 years ago," People's Daily reported.
Economics
Economically, the cooperation between both nations now amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars over many years.
For instance, said the Post, in October "the two countries signed a preliminary accord worth $70 billion to $100 billion by which China will purchase Iranian oil and gas and help develop Iran's Yadavaran oil field, near the Iraqi border."
COULD THIS BE WHY IRAN ubl[yellow coward who runs away] IS SENDING TERRORIST TO KILL IRAQIS?? WHERE IS THE CIA TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE??
Military Cooperation
Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the growing Iran-China alliance is the Islamic republic's access to the improving technology being developed, deployed and utilized by the People's Liberation Army.
Nowhere are U.S. concerns greater than in the area of ballistic missile technology. American officials have sanctioned Chinese companies for improperly transferring such technology in January 2002 and as recently as early this year, but that hasn't stopped the transfers, experts and analysts believe.
And now, as Iran continues to develop its nuclear program, U.S., European and Israeli officials worry Iran is using the missile technology to build better weapons – weapons that eventually could carry nuclear warheads.
In terms of its nuclear weapons ambitions, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, has determined that China, along with Pakistan and Russia, have probably provided nuclear technology to Tehran.
THEY TRAIN THE DOGS TO BRNG US DOWN AND NOW THAT DOG IS BITING THEM ??
PLANE CRASH[CHINA] THIS WEEK-END??
LOTS OF MINE GAS EXPLIONS?? ANOTHER THIS WEEK-END MAYBE CHINA SHOULD STOP MININING? OR ARE THEY KILLING THEIR RABBIT DOGS??
What's In Store
According to the CIA, the most likely threats to the U.S. in the future, besides terrorism, are Iran and China.
In an ominous February 2001 warning, months before the 9/11 attacks, the CIA warned that Osama bin Laden and his associates continued to pose the most immediate danger to Americans, former CIA Director George Tenet told lawmakers.
But in addition to bin Laden – a threat which has been borne out – Iran and China also made the list.
TENET THOSE DOTS ARE EVEN SEEN BY A REDNECK WHAT DID YOU DO? BOMB THE EMBASSY [CHINESE] IN KOSOVO??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/102028.shtml
Russia Develops New Type of Nuclear Missile
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2004
MOSCOW – President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that Russia was developing a new form of nuclear missile unlike those held by other countries, news agencies reported.
Speaking at a meeting of the Armed Forces' leadership, Putin reportedly said that Russia is researching and successfully testing new nuclear missile systems. "I am sure that ... they will be put in service within the next few years, and, what is more, they will be developments of the kind that other nuclear powers do not and will not have," Putin was quoted as saying by ITAR-Tass news agency.
Putin reportedly said: "International terrorism is one of the major threats for Russia. We understand as soon as we ignore such components of our defense as a nuclear and missile shield, other threats may occur."
DON’T WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR NEW AND OLD FRIENDS AND STOP THESE OLD FEELINGS [CIA]??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/162517.shtml
House Committee Questions Role of French Bank in U.N.-Saddam Scandal
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Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2004
WASHINGTON – Lawmakers are questioning whether a French bank failed to comply with U.S. money-laundering laws, possibly helping Saddam Hussein manipulate the $60 billion U.N. oil-for-food program. The bank denies any wrongdoing.
ONCE AGAIN THE JOB OF THE CIA WHERE WERE THEY??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/17/85826.shtml
Deception - True Story of China's Espionage Success Against America
NewsMax.com
Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2004
Deception - The true story of the greatest Chinese Army espionage operational success against the U.S.A.
Get the full story from the journalist who broke the China-Gate scandal. The documented evidence that turned China-Gate into a full-blown investigation. The book includes damning details that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton left out of their books.
The book details the Clinton administration and its trade in weapons, U.S. defense secrets and money, using documented evidence obtained from U.S. government files. Investigative Journalist Charles Smith spent the last ten years using the Freedom of Information Act to acquire these documents to detail each event.
The entire book is based on over 50,000 pages of official and classified materials obtained from the U.S. government.
REMEMBER THE CHIPS THAT BILL SOLD TO CHINA??
THIS IS WHERE GORLICK COMES IN AND THE MEMO TO STOP THE FBI AND THE GOOD CIA??
NOW THESE PEOPLE WHO WORKED THE 9/11 COMMISION WHAT TO SHUT DOWN THE INTEL GATHERING ALTOGETHER WILL CONGRESS HAVE THE NUTS TO STOP THEM?? HOPE SO!!
President Clinton personally approved of the penetration of the U.S. aerospace industry by the Chinese Army. Documentation shows that Chinese General Shen Rougjun of COSTIND played a game of financial brinkmanship with Hughes and Loral while getting his son a classified position inside the U.S. space industry.
According to U.S. Commerce Department documents, Gen. Shen met with Ron Brown and Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz. President Clinton personally approved the meeting. The resulting espionage success of General Shen led directly to improved ICBM missile guidance and reliability for the Chinese Army.
Get the real story behind the Chinese "Tiger Song" air defense system. Read how the Chinese Army penetrated the U.S. Defense Department and obtained an advanced air defense system that was re-exported to Iraq. The story includes detailed letters and meetings between Chinese General Ding Henggao and U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry.
REMEMBER ALL THE CLINTON BOOKS SOLD IN CHINA WHAT A PAY OFF??
The Bush administration is painfully aware that the original Tiger Song fiber-optic air defense network was shipped directly the Chinese Army in 1994 after being approved by then Clinton Defense Secretary William Perry.
U.S. officials are convinced that the Afghan Taliban's fiber-optic air defense system was constructed using U.S. parts exported to China. Ironically, Saddam Hussein also purchased the same air defense system of U.S. made fiber-optic parts purchased under commercial contracts by the Chinese Army.
READ ABOUT THIS AND MORE!
IMPROVING RUSSIAN MISSILES
RADIATION HARDENED CHIPS FOR CHINA AND RUSSIA
U.S.N. LETTER TO THE COMMANDER OF THE RUSSIAN NAVY
DEAR RON LETTERS FROM JOHN HUANG, LORAL AND MOTOROLA
CIA NAMES, PHONE NUMBERS FROM HUANG'S MEETINGS
PATRIOT MISSILE DEALS WITH JOHN HUANG
SUPER-COMPUTER SALES DIRECTLY TO THE CHINESE ARMY
MEETINGS WITH PLA GENERALS
THANK YOU LETTERS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL WAIVER FROM CEO'S
DONATION MONEY AND CHINA TRADE FOR PRESIDENT CLINTON
RIADY FAMILIY NOTES
GEORGE TENET'S EMAIL OFFERING HIS WIFE
LETTERS FROM THE CHINESE ARMY
BIOS OF THE CHINESE LEADERSHIP AND PLA GENERALS
"CORRUPTION, COLLUSION AND NEPOTISM" WITH INDONEASIA
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Bush Sanctions China - Espionage From Beijing
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, Sept. 30, 2004
The Bush administration has announced a new series of sanctions against China. The sanctions lodged against Chinese Army owned companies were imposed because of illegal arms technology transfers to Iran.
The list of Chinese Army companies now under sanction includes several familiar names from the Clinton years such as China Great Wall Industry, China North Industries (Norinco) and the China New Era Group. Both China Great Wall and China North Industries received advanced U.S. space technology through presidential waivers signed by President Clinton.
OH MY AGAIN CHINA AND IRAN??
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China's Economic War - Stealing Jobs and Technology From America
Charles R. Smith
Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004
According to GM China, the similarities between its Spark minicar and Chinese Chery Automobile Corp.'s QQ model are more than just mere coincidence. In fact, if you examine the automobiles, they are virtually identical.
Thus, General Motors recently filed a complaint with the Chinese government that the QQ was an illegal copy of its Spark.
Despite the GM charges, Chinese officials quickly denied that State-owned Chery had illegally copied U.S. auto technology. A top Chinese Commerce Minister stated that General Motors Corp. did not provide enough evidence to prove that Chery had copied the GM Spark.
"Unless GM provides further evidence to prove that Chery acquired such technology and designs through certain means, just simple similarity in terms of exterior design isn't sufficient enough to prove that the Chinese company is guilty," said Deputy Commerce Minister Zhang Zhigang. This is not the first time that China has been accused of stealing auto designs and copying them for fun and profit. For example, a failed Chrysler "joint venture" was cited by the U.S. Commerce Department report as a demonstration of Chinese honesty in business.
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One Reporter's Opinion - Illegal Alien Problem Mainstream at Last!
By George Putnam
Saturday, Oct. 2, 2004
It is this reporter's opinion the masquerade is over... and to a great extent, we can thank two brilliant journalists: Donald Barlett and James Steele and their brilliant exposure in Time Magazine of the illegal alien invasion. Barlett and Steele pulled no punches in their cover story, "Who Left the Door Open?" - a penetrating, powerful message of a nation-destroying dilemma not known since the Roman Empire fell before the marauding vandals.
Tragically, neither candidate for President will face the issue. Amazingly, it took a Mexican official to lay it on the line. The newly appointed Arturo Gonzalez Cruz, a Tijuana businessman, admits his government is working toward an open border with no checkpoints. Cruz says access changes along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border "are necessary" to facilitate increased travel and trade between his country and the U.S. Cruz echoes Mexican President Vicente Fox when he says, "I would like to see a border similar to the one that Europe has where they have common, very common, objectives. They have a common economy - policies that transcend the borders where they work. Travel across national borders in the European Union is unregulated and citizens of EU member nations traverse borders as freely and easily as Americans cross state lines."
AND OUR JUDGES LET THE OTMs GO ONCE IN THIS IS WHY THE INTELL BILL CANNOT PASS!!
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Iran Defies Demand of Nuclear Watchdog Agency
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Sept. 21, 2004
VIENNA, Austria – Defying a demand set by 35 nations, Iran announced Tuesday that it had started converting raw uranium into the gas needed for enrichment, a process that can be used to make nuclear weapons.
"Tests are going on successfully" to make uranium hexafluoride gas, the feed stock for enrichment, said Iranian Vice President Reza Aghazadeh. Of the more than 40 tons of raw uranium being mined for conversion, "Some ... has been used," he told reporters.
His comments, outside the general conference of the 137-nation International Atomic Energy Agency, were the latest sign that Iran was ignoring demands made on the weekend by the agency's board of governors to suspend all enrichment and related activities and banish international fears the technology could be used to make weapons.
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U.N.'s ElBaradei: 40 Nations Can Make Nuclear Weapons
NewsMax.com Wires
Monday, Sept. 20, 2004
VIENNA, Austria – More than 40 countries with peaceful nuclear programs could retool them to make weapons, the head of the U.N. atomic watchdog agency said Monday amid new U.S and European demands that Iran give up technology capable of producing such arms.
Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, suggested in a keynote address to the IAEA's general conference that it was time to tighten world policing of nuclear activities and to stop relying on information volunteered by countries. Beyond the declared nuclear arms-holding countries, "some estimates indicate that 40 countries or more now have the know-how to produce nuclear weapons," ElBaradei said. "We are relying primarily on the continued good intentions of these countries, intentions, which ... could ... be subject to rapid change."
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Iran: U.N. Uranium Program Ban 'Illegal'
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Monday, Sept. 20, 2004
TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran on Sunday denounced as ``illegal'' demands from the U.N. atomic watchdog agency that it freeze all work on uranium enrichment - a technology that can be used for nuclear weapons - and threatened to limit cooperation with the agency if it moves toward sanctions.
But Hasan Rowhani, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, stopped short of outright rejection of the International Atomic Energy Agency's demands and held out the possibility of negotiations on the issue. ``We are committed to the suspension of actual enrichment, but we have no decision to expand the suspension,'' Rowhani said at a news conference a day after the IAEA governing board issued its demand to freeze all enrichment-related work and said it would judge Tehran's compliance in two months.
``This demand is illegal,'' he said. ``The IAEA board of governors has no right to make such a suspension obligatory for any country.''
``Actual enrichment'' refers to the injection of uranium gas into centrifuges. Rowhani indicated Iran's other activities, such as production, assembly and testing of centrifuges, were likely to continue.
HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: World
Sept. 19, 2004, 8:06PM
China shifts military power to its president
Move places all bureaucracies under one leader
Washington Post
BEIJING - Former President Jiang Zemin resigned as the head of China's military on Sunday, turning the job over to his successor as president and Communist Party leader, Hu Jintao, and completing the orderly transfer of power to a younger generation.
The resignation of Jiang, 78, announced at the close of a four-day meeting of the party's Central Committee, for the first time put Hu, 61, formally in command of all the vast party, government and military bureaucracies that rule China and its 1.3 billion people.
The shift, although important for the smooth working of the Chinese government, was unlikely to produce swift or radical changes in the way Beijing approaches its relations with the United States, its resolve to return Taiwan to the mainland or its effort to continue moving into a market economy while maintaining growth and social stability.
HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: World
Sept. 21, 2004, 11:04PM
Iran to pursue nuke program
President says path will continue, with or without U.N. oversight
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press
TEHRAN, IRAN - President Mohammad Khatami said Tuesday that Iran will continue a nuclear program some suspect is aimed at developing weapons, even if that means an end to U.N. oversight.
"We've made our choice: yes to peaceful nuclear technology, no to atomic weapons," Khatami said. "We will continue along our path even if it leads to an end to international supervision" of our nuclear activities.
As a member of the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran allows supervision to ensure its nuclear programs are peaceful.
Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War
Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2003
Newly declassified documents show that President Bill Clinton personally approved the transfer to China of advanced space technology that can be used for nuclear combat.
The documents show that in 1996 Clinton approved the export of radiation hardened chip sets to China. The specialized chips are necessary for fighting a nuclear war.
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:38 a.m. EDT
Guards Finger Berger in Sox Docs Heist
After three days worth of denials from his legal team, eyewitnesses to Sandy Berger's top secret document heist have confirmed that the former national security advisor did indeed stash national security secrets in his socks, as well as his pants pockets.
NOW WHAT COULD THESE PAPERS HAVE BEEN??
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:31 a.m. EDT
Archives Officials Stunned by Scope of Berger Theft
Officials at the National Archives were stunned to learn how much top secret material Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger had purloined from a super-secure reading room set up for the 9/11 Commission probe - when Berger returned documents last fall that they didn't even know he'd taken.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/20/213006.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:23 p.m. EDT
Prosecutors: No Dice on Berger Deal
Justice Department prosecutors reportedly have rejected several offers from former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger's lawyer to resolve the department's eight-month-long investigation into his illegal removal of top secret documents from the 9/11 Commission's reading room.
NOW WHAT IS THIS ABOT COULD IT BE THE CHIPS OR WHAT TO CHINA? AND THE GORLICK MEMO??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/21/125445.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
Rep. DeLay: Berger Is Just a 'Third-Rate' Burglar
Is it possible to stuff top-secret documents down your pants "accidentally," as Sandy Berger and his apologists are trying to claim with a straight face? House Majority Leader Tom DeLay will have none of it.
Evoking images of Watergate, or perhaps the fast-food Hamburglar, DeLay, R-Texas, described the disgraced former Kerry adviser's light-fingered antics as "just a third-rate burglary."
OR WAS THERE MUCH MORE??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/21/170315.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
Rep. Foley Longs for Good Old Days of Furniture Thieves
U.S. Rep. Mark Foley today had this to say about the diciest Democrat du jour:
"What in heaven's name was he thinking? What is so important that he would risk both his reputation and prosecution to remove these documents? What's there to hide?" stated Foley, R-Fla.
OR DOES HE MEAN WHIN HO LEE??
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040721-104741-2823r.htm
Clinton defends Berger as clutter-bug
Denver, CO, Jul. 21 (UPI) -- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton says he questions the timing of allegations his former security adviser Samuel Berger mishandled classified documents.
Berger has admitted to the FBI he removed some documents from the National Archives while doing research for his submission to the Sept. 11 panel on the Clinton administration's anti-terror activities and policies.
WHY GOLICK CAN NOT WIN!!
Gorelick Rejected Attempt to Revise 'Wall' Memo
Scott Wheeler, CNSNews.com
Thursday, April 29, 2004
One of America's most prominent federal prosecutors sought changes to the 1995 "wall" memo authored by then-Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, but most of the concerns expressed by U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White over the barriers erected between criminal and counter-intelligence investigations were rejected.
Gorelick's "wall" memo was the subject of an April 26 CNSNews.com report, which quoted four sources as saying the memo erected barriers to intelligence-sharing between the FBI and intelligence agencies, and impeded the investigation of alleged Chinese espionage and illegal campaign donations to then-President Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.
According to documents obtained by CNSNews.com, White, who was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, spelled out her concerns shortly after Gorelick wrote the memo establishing the new guidelines for federal investigations.
The reply that followed came from Michael Vatis, deputy director of the Executive Office of National Security, with Gorelick signing off on Vatis' language.
White was concerned that Gorelick's new guidelines for investigations had made it too complicated for the FBI to contact the U.S. attorney's office and launch a probe of suspicious activity. White suggested that only the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review at the Department of Justice needed to approve such an investigation, and not the department's criminal division.
However, the Vatis/Gorelick memo offered a blunt reply.
"I recommend rejecting this change," the June 19, 1995 document stated. "[A] USAO [U.S. attorney's office] should not be notified of a national security investigation -- particularly one that has not yet developed into a criminal case -- without the approval of the AAG [assistant attorney general], Criminal Division."
The Vatis/Gorelick memo also addressed White's reservations over how the new investigative guidelines would impact a probe under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). White contended that once the Justice Department's Criminal Division had decided that criminal law enforcement concerns existed in a FISA investigation, the appropriate U.S. attorney should be contacted.
Vatis rejected this notion as well.
"Notifying the USAO as soon as law enforcement concerns exist -- but before Crim. thinks that the investigation should 'go criminal' -- is simply too early," the document stated.
The current U.S. attorney general, John Ashcroft, recently de-classified the original Gorelick memo that established the new investigative guidelines. He did so shortly before testifying in front of the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, calling the Gorelick memo "the single greatest structural cause for September 11."
The June 19, 1995 memo from Vatis/Gorelick was included in a batch of documents released Wednesday by the Justice Department in response to a request by U.S. Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Lindsay Graham, R-S.C.
The senators, in a joint statement, asked the department to "provide key Gorelick documents" in response to the Sept. 11 commission's "failure to hear testimony from a key Clinton administration Justice Department official [Gorelick], preventing the Congress from receiving a full accounting of intelligence and enforcement procedures that led to the tragic attacks."
A separate statement, released by Cornyn's office late Wednesday, charged that the newly released documents "substantially discredit former Deputy Attorney General -- and current 9/11 Commission member -- Jamie Gorelick's claims of limited involvement in the promulgation of 'the wall' separating counterintelligence and law enforcement agencies.
"Specifically, the documents show that she was substantially involved in the development of the information-sharing policy and contradicts statements that the department's policies under the Clinton-Reno administration enhanced, rather than restricted, such vital information sharing," Cornyn stated.
'Special Knowledge'
"These documents show what I've said all along: Commissioner Gorelick has special knowledge of the facts and circumstances leading up to the erection and buttressing of 'that wall' that, before the enactment of the Patriot Act, was the primary obstacle to the sharing of communications between law enforcement and intelligence agencies," Cornyn's statement continued.
Gorelick's membership on the 9/11 commission has become controversial considering that she also worked in the Clinton administration's Justice Department. Many Republicans in Congress have called for her to testify before the commission, a request the commission's chairman has rejected.
"This is a person with knowledge of relevant facts. Either the Commission wants the whole truth, or it does not," Cornyn stated.
"If it does, she should appear in public testimony so that the families of the victims, the American people and the Congress can have a full and complete picture of what led to the failures of 9/11," Cornyn added.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHANGE INTEL CAN NOT HAPPEN REMEMBER CONGRESS AND SENATE YOU ARE THE EYES AND EARS??
sorry watson but these libs need to face the facts our men our fighting an enemy like our Grandparents fought in WW2 and we need to take off the golves!!
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For you Vo?? and other Libs ??
http://www.nationalreview.com/owens/owens200411190828.asp
November 19, 2004, 8:28 a.m.
A Shooting in Fallujah
This was an unfortunate act of war, but not a war crime.
Mackubin Tomas Qwens
As readers of NRO and National Review know, I have written a number of articles on war crimes and atrocities in response to the 1971 Senate testimony of John Kerry, who claimed that such acts were routinely committed by Americans in Vietnam with the knowledge of officers at all levels of command. I argued that while there were instances of Americans committing atrocities in Vietnam, they were no more widespread there than in earlier wars.
Despite my best efforts to avoid doing so, it seems I am destined to write once again on the issue of atrocities and war crimes. As the world knows by now, a Marine in Fallujah was captured on tape apparently shooting a wounded insurgent. Naturally, the tape has unleashed a furor and the incident is being investigated. The question is: Was this an unfortunate act of war, or was it a war crime? In my opinion, it was the former.
What are we talking about here? Let us be clear. Atrocities and war crimes are acts of violence in wartime whose brutality and cruelty exceed military necessity. They include, but are not limited to, looting, torture, rape, massacre, mutilation of the enemy dead, and the killing of captured soldiers or non-combatants. As I wrote in National Review earlier this year, the West has placed three constraints on its conduct of warfare: proportion, discrimination, and the positive law of war. Proportion means that particular actions must be proportionate to legitimate military necessity and not involve needless suffering or destruction. Discrimination means that direct, intentional attacks on noncombatants and non-military targets are prohibited.
The positive law of war derives from conventions, customs, the general principles of law, decisions in international law, and the writings of authorities. Standards regulating the conduct of war have followed two general paths: "Geneva law," protecting victims and innocents, and "Hague law," regulating land combat.
The most important conventions that underlie the positive law of war (and therefore provide guidelines for the conduct of war) include the Hague Convention IV of 1907, the Geneva Convention of 1949, the 1977 Protocols to those conventions, and the Nuremberg trials following World War II. Customs that constrain the conduct of war include military necessity, humanity, and chivalry.
The key to applying the law of war to particular situations is the principle of military necessity. This principle holds that, subject to the principles of humanity and chivalry, a belligerent is justified in applying the amount of force necessary to achieve the complete submission of the enemy as soon as possible, with the least expenditure of time, life, and resources. Military necessity recognizes that a commander's overriding concern is the accomplishment of his mission and the safety of his troops. One would not attack a populated area, increasing the risks of civilian deaths, unless such an attack were essential to the campaign.
Humanity is the self-evident recognition of the fact that one's enemy is also a human being. Prohibitions against killing or torturing prisoners, and the generally recognized obligation to provide medical treatment to wounded prisoners, flow from this principle.
Chivalry is the customary recognition of the idea that the strong protect the weak. Soldiers do not declare war on women or children because it is dishonorable to do so. If women or children engage in war, however, the principle of military necessity usually takes precedence over chivalry.
The dilemma, of course, is how to judge an action, given the likely clash among the main conditions. Do all conditions have to be met? Must all be met equally, or do some conditions take priority over others? The general conclusion is that all conditions must be met. But there is also the necessity of prudence in evaluating actions in war. Different times and circumstances may make one condition more important than another. Moreover, a reasonable judgment that a condition was met in a particular situation can be changed as a result of additional experience, information, or insight.
These principles lead us to the conclusion that we need to make a distinction in the case of the Marine in Fallujah. Clearly, a soldier who executes a prisoner, either on his own or under orders, has acted in cold blood and consequently has committed a war crime. Proportionality, humanity, and chivalry guide this judgment. But it seems to me that in the case of the Marine in question, military necessity trumped the other two conditions. He did not kill in cold blood, but responded to threatened danger in an uncertain environment. To fully convey this environment, let me reprint an e-mail from another Marine in Fallujah that I recently posted on The Corner:
This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does.
This is just one most don't hear:
A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.
The Marines' remains are gathered by teary-eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.
This is the story everyone hears:
A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded. Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.
The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!"
The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.
Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for committing a war crime. Unlawful killing.
And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, I too would have done the same.
For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.
For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind, and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.
I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the U.S. military, or any other.
Anyone who has ever talked to a veteran of World War II in the Pacific knows that the Japanese, like the rebels in Fallujah, were not inclined to surrender and that, on more than one occasion, they killed Americans after feigning surrender. Pretty soon, the Americans stopped making the offer and resorted to flamethrowers and satchel charges to take care of Japanese defenders.
I firmly believe that American soldiers should carefully adhere to the laws of war, even when they engage a savage enemy — as they have in Fallujah. While it may sound strange to some, I believe the idea of restraint in war helps to civilize a brutal human activity and to limit the descent of soldiers into barbarism. But prudence dictates that we make a distinction between killing a prisoner in cold blood, and protecting oneself and one's brethren — as this Marine did.
— Mackubin Thomas Owens is an associate dean of academics and professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He led a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam in 1968-69.
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Posted by: justamomof4 at November 22, 2004 10:16 AM
Loved the part of OJSimson being a Jew??
who was arrested??
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PS
The 4 part speciel is to air 7pm est!!
and is about Europe being taken over bt mulsum and their Crime they bring??
Looks good time forr tivo or vcrs!!
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Next time, send the reporter to check to see if the body is booby-trapped.
Especially if the reporter is from Al-Arabiya, Al-Jazeera or Al-whogivesh*t.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at November 22, 2004 11:15 AM
You get a gold star for the Day!!
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Catherine, do you have a link to the story about the shooter in Wis. being a muslim? I hadn't heard that he is muslim.
I signed, and I'm a brit. Your boys are doing a damn fine job. What was he supposed to do anyway?
So much for Holy places anyway, firing from Mosques etc. Send in the MOAB's!
The insurgents in that room are the res ipsa loquitur war criminals:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Art 37. Prohibition of Perfidy
1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary or resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.
The following acts are examples of perfidy:
(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;
(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;
(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and
(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.
Catherine, do you have a link to the story about the shooter in Wis. being a muslim? I hadn't heard that he is muslim.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 22, 2004 11:54 AM
Rember the 3Ts things take time?
I can Smell them?
Remember he is a mong and they are Buda who I think are not hunters but hearders? Look it up stay on the Press to do their work cause you will find money and mussis behind??
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PS
Just was Up in MPLS and saw lots of their Tags??
Was just back from Wis too? In the Hunting country and it was bow season?
These Marines are in a very tough spot. They are fighting a ruthless enemy who believes the Infidel is sub-human. They must act quickly and mistakes are sometimes made. In this particular case it was neither a mistake nor immoral given the situation. I agree with most of the posts so far. Rules regarding appropriate conduct are only effective if followed by all parties involved. If U.S. troops slavishly follow rules our enemy rejects (until it serves their purpose) it is a recipe for failure. We should break the 'rules' of warfare proportionately to how they are broken by our enemy. This is the quickest way to end the enemy's brutality.
During the U.S. Civil War there came a time when Federal troops started treating captured Rebel Rangers as spies by hanging them. Keep in mind these Rangers (most notably serving under Mosby in Northern Virginia) fought behind the lines but they still wore uniforms and flew the flag clearly distinguishing them from spies. Once the hangings commenced Mosby didn't respond by saying how much morally superior they were to the Yankees and saying such tactics were beneath them. Why? Because such moralizing would not bring the practice to an end. Mosby informed the Federals that he would hang one Yankee prisoner for every Ranger hung as a spy by drawing lots. Once the Southerners started hanging prisoners the Northerners stopped and thus ended the whole episode.
If these Jihadists faced the prospect of having their heads sawed off with dull butter knives and their heads dropped into buckets of bacon grease I wonder how many of them would stay so 'brave'. Their bravery is in direct proportion to our benevolence. Bullies invariably treat magnanimity as license. These goons are no different.
Voltaire and others are willing to put our brave troops in danger by forcing them to follow rules that are not only not applicable(these 'insurgents'/terrorists are much closer to spies than soldiers) but are not followed by our enemies. The sooner our fiendish foe recognizes we will not be paralyzed by either liberal guilt or Islamic sophistry, the sooner the enemy can be defeated.
I agree with the suggestion that self-righteous 'observers' like NBC's Seitz should start inspecting the surrendering insurgents. That would get them home in a hurry. Of course not following one-way rules means fewer of our soldiers will be killed; an unfortunate prospect for the MSM in their quest for more anti-Bush fodder. I would rather they make up their anti-Bush stories, as is their wont, than profiting from more fallen American heroes.
Roommate in MPLs of [mussi] shooters of hunters in Wis had been arrested??
He is a mussi??
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PS
Lots of rain and flooding in South TX remember there are lots of mussis there??
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Huge snowstorm in Russia?
November 22, 2004
Release Number: 04-11-77
NEWS RELEASE
HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMAND
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
INSURGENTS FAKING DEAD FIRES ON MARINES
FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from the 1st Marine Division shot and killed an insurgent, who while faking dead, opened fire on the Marines that were conducting a security and clearing patrol through the streets here at approximately 3:45 p.m. on 21 November.
For more information, please contact Capt Bradley Gordon, public affairs officer, 1st Marine Division, gordonbv@1mardivdm.usmc.mil
Posted by: Hulegu Khan at November 22, 2004 02:56 PM
Guess the Press didn't ck their fax mac yesterday??
cause they sure din't report this??
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I noticed the NBC reporter is saying he didn't destroy the tape because he believed in upholding the truth.
Nice try BOZO,he ws there and did nothing to stop the shooting,reporters shouldn't be exempt from the law that make them an accessory to a crime or murder. The last part of the video that I witnessed showed two wounded men "Not being shot" by the soldiers,and also the Muslims didn't seem to be upset the Mosque was used for waging war and killing people.
Islam is now being seen for what it is,one big scam with special rules to allow lies and murders while it forces any opposition to adhere to respecting "Holy" sites or the Geneva Convetion.
Back in 1864 the creation was to help medical teams remove injured people from further harm,this included civilians and soldier from both sides. Nobody expected the perverse teachings of Islam to be the basis for a battle,Nations use to fight,not civilians to expand their religion.
The Marine wasn't in Geneva when he shot the terrorist,he was in a war-zone where soldiers made a free will choice to dress as civilians and use religious buildings for a safehouse,they also chose to exploit the "White-flag" of surrender
and mislead the Marines on the rules in the Genevea Convention that Muslims want everybody esle to obey.
Let the Marines send in reporter with "White Flags" ans see how long Muslims obey the Geneva Convention,they murdered a civilian that worked for CARE and that should pretty well estabelish what moral values we're up against.
I want the Camera-man to be at the Military trial as a witness and then he can explian why he allowed it to go on and stayed mute on other "War-Crimes" just like Kerry did in Vietnam .
Plain-clothes combatants who are besides well known for their penchant to coldly blow themselves up (even when not wounded), making living booby traps of themselves, do not qualify neither for the Geneva Convention war laws nor for any sort of humane consideration. The situation describe in this story is similar to the double standard the muslim rats apply themselves when using their mosques to store weapons or simply as a bunkers while claiming the holy-site status applicable to all temples. It is about time someone teaches these cheaters the lesson that they cannot have it both ways. Unlike many Western politicians, soldiers understand it and apply without hesitation the ‘laws of logic’ by shooting first and asking questions afterwards to the lethal tricksters the jihadists are. The American marine who shot dead a wounded insurgent did what I would have done myself to protect my life and that of my platoon mates. Should he be court-martialled at the end, his lawyer, far from simply pledging his innocence, should ask a medal to be pinned in the chest of this brave, intelligent, good-reflexes soldier.
Plain-clothes combatants who are besides well known for their penchant to coldly blow themselves up (even when not wounded), making living booby traps of themselves, do not qualify neither for the Geneva Convention war laws nor for any sort of humane consideration. The situation described in this story is similar to the double standard the muslim rats apply to themselves when using their mosques as bunkers or simply to store weapons in, while claiming the holy-site status applicable to all temples. It is about time someone teaches these cheaters the lesson that they cannot have it both ways. Unlike many Western politicians, soldiers understand it without hesitation and apply the ‘laws of logic’ by shooting first and asking questions afterwards to the lethal tricksters the jihadists are. The American marine who shot dead a wounded insurgent did what I would have done myself to protect my life and that of my platoon mates. Should he be court-martialled at the end, his lawyer, far from simply pledging his innocence, should ask for a medal to be pinned on the chest of this brave, intelligent, good-reflexes soldier.
Voltaire,
If you could, tell us: How does one determine, without the very real possibility of being killed by a suiciding islamist, that said individual is unarmed? Is it even possible in this situation? You know very well these people don't play by the rules, as did that soldier from bitter previous experience. Please enlighten us.
I received the following email from the person who started this petition:
Update: 11/21/2004
I have done an interview with a radio station in Detroit, an interview with
Marine Corps Times, Army Times, and have one coming up with live365.com.
The word is getting out about the petition!
I received an email from the mother of one of the other marines in his
platoon, and they stand behind this Marine.
Also I did receive an email from the father-in-law of the marine in question
hi, I don't know who you are, but thanks for this petition. I am his
father-in-law and I want everyone to know this is a fine person and good
marine who only wanted to protect his buddies and do his job. this idea
of politically correct wars only kills more of our kids. this is his
second tour there, he and my son went together for the second gulf war
and were in the lead element entering Baghdad and all the cities along
the way. we have no way to contact him, but from the one call my daughter
got it sounds like they have him convinced he's in the wrong, and his
lawyer is on "their" side. well i'm just getting madder and madder (i'm a
nam vet) so better quit. thanks again.
I have sent a letter to his father-in-law telling him the alternatives to
military lawyers. If this goes to an actual court trial I would like to set
up a defense fund for this truly brave American HERO.
I don't get the email addresses of the people that sign the petition. I can
alter the names and comments on the petition so if you see something that
shouldnt be there please give me the # of the signature so I can have it
removed. The only email addresses that I have access too are from the
people that have sent me an email, so if you don't mind, would you please
pass this along to the person who first told you about the petition. If you
would like to donate any money for the defense of this soldier, please send
me an email alwuzhere@hotmail.com so that I will be able to contact you if
it comes to that. Just a simple $1 dollar from everyone on the petition
would add up to $110,000 +.
*RANT FOLLOWS*
How was Sites "mute?" Answer: he was not.
Directly after the shooting he did EXACTLY what he should have done. He went to the Marine commander, showed him the videotape, and told him exactly what he saw.
He is not an accessory to murder, even implying that proves you don't know what the legal term means.
Sites then released the video.
The reaction of many was the kneejerk hatred of Kevin Sites, which what we get from many here and from the majority of posters over at Little Green Footballs that I took head-on over at my Blog that was picked up by Instapundit.com.
Sites did exactly what he should have done.
He did his job and taped what he saw, he took that tape to the responsible authorities, and he did his job and sent out teh tape, even knowing the firestorm it would bring down on him, knowing it would alientate him from the men he spent time with under fire.
The First Amendment does not only apply to the speech you like, folks. Sometimes some of you seem to forget that.
I don't know if the Marine was right or wrong in his shooting of the wounded terrorist in the Fallujah mosque, and neither does anyone here. We simply don't have the personal context to justify actions one way or the other without being there.
The Marine will most likely be given the benefit of the doubt, and will be set free without any charges filed. He did make a judgement call, and even if it was the wrong call, it was not a crime. He was just doing the job he was trained to do under extreme circumstances and pressure.
Kevin Sites was doing no less. He did his job under difficult circumstances, and explained possible mitigating circumstances in detail for the Marine's actions in his original post that went out with the video.
You can debate whether or not embedded reporters should go out with the troops, but don't expect them to do a half-ass job if you let them in.
*END RANT*
Have you ever noticed? keithjoy Never comments unless it has something to do with those he Hates above all else.
Have you signed the petition, keithjoy? Or does it go against your real beliefs?
160,000 Plus and climbing. Show me where you are on the list, keithjoy.
Gary, you can tell the differences between the letters "B-O-B" and "K-E-I-T-H-J-O-Y", can't you?
Bob~ sorry, that was Not aimed at you :P I merely was pointing out that keithjoy Never shows up on threads like this one, in support of our troops. You just happened to be the last person who posted before I did.
Just got home and we are going to be moving near the NY border in a couple of weeks (6 hours south of our current position). So I am not entirely here.
Aw shucks, my heart bleeds for Kevin Sites. Bob Owens would have us belive that Sites was only doing his job by handing the terrorists the best bit of propaganda they've had for months. It's sad that Owens seems to think that the importance of the job Sites was doing was in any way comparable to the job the Marine was carrying out. What is Site's job ? Aiding and abetting the enemy ? Giving comfort to the islamofascists ? He knew full well what effect releasing the video would be. And how many American soldiers will now die as a result of this video being shown around the clock on Arab T.V. ? Sites is part of the whole anti-american MSM that have done their damndest to make the Coalition look bad. They want the terrorists to win, just to prove Bush was wrong and it doesn't matter to them how many Iraqi, American or British soldiers have to die in the process. The MSM have covered themselves in shame during this war, and in the War on Islamic Terror as well, their treason should never be forgotten.
P.S How much money has Sites made from all this ? I expect he'll be shedding crocodile tears for the Marines as he cries all the way to the bank .
Bob Owens,
You are wrong, an asshole, and you know it. Put yourself in the Marine's shoe's(only you're not worthy)and you're butt would be making buttons!
Get real, and get a life.
Son of Albion,
Sites even offered the Marines to hold the tape until more information was available. The Marine Corps declined his offer.
What else would you have him do?
Marine public affairs officers are supporting Sites. The fact of the matter is that we need the truth, no matter how ugly it may be.
You sir, simply can't handle the truth.
Please try to rationally explain how releasing videotape reviewed by the Marines constitutes in any legal or moral way "Aiding and abetting the enemy." Feel free to use Constitutional law or the Uniform Code of Military Justice to support your argument.
You can't.
Please try to rationally explain how Sites "only doing his job" is a bad thing for a free democracy.
You can't.
If there is nothing wrong on the tape there is no propaganda value. Did you see something you think that should be hidden from public view? If so, you are condoning an atrocity, and are no better than the enemy we fight.
I saw nothing on that tape worth getting upset about. The Marine did his job. So did Sites.
Sites is not part of the MSM. He is a freelancer, and only moderately liberal. Have you even bothered to review his previous work before jumping on the bandwagon?
Somehow, I think not.
As to ala-sux's statement earlier that Sites should be held as an accessory to murder in this incident, Sites' would only be an accessory if he withheld the tape, suppressing the evidence if this was indeed a crime.
RW, Thank you for your deep, thoughtful, and intelligent analysis. You are truly an intellect to be reckoned with.
NEWS RELEASE
HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMAND
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
INSURGENTS FAKING DEAD FIRES ON MARINES
FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from the 1st Marine Division shot and killed an insurgent, who while faking dead, opened fire on the Marines that were conducting a security and clearing patrol through the streets here at approximately 3:45 p.m. on 21 November.
Go to this sight and when you hear that a Marien died today is because of the Reporters ALL LAST WEEK NOW THEY OUE A FAMILY A BIG SORRY CAUSE THEIR MARINE SECND GUESSED HIMSELF
You FAT LIBS HAVE CAUSE THE DEATH OF A MARINE HOW DO YOU FEEL YOU SICK F-CKS YES IT IS YOUR FAULT!!!
I HOPE WHEN THE SHIT STARTS NO ONE IS THEIR TO SAVE YOUR SORRY ASSES BECAUSE YOU PICKED ON THEM TO MAKE YOUR SELF LOOK GOOD
THE TRUTH THE SHOWING OF THAT TAPE HAS KILLED A MARINE BECAUSE A ISLAMIC TERRORIST FAKING HIS DEATH WHO WASN'T KILLED 3 MARINES.....
HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL MOTHER FU-KER
YES THIS IS AFTER THE VIDEO TAPE BY THE LIB MSM !!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO DESTORY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OVER HERE AND OVER THERE AMEN
Bob~ sorry, that was Not aimed at you :P I merely was pointing out that keithjoy Never shows up on threads like this one, in support of our troops. You just happened to be the last person who posted before I did.
Just got home and we are going to be moving near the NY border in a couple of weeks (6 hours south of our current position). So I am not entirely here.
Posted by: Gary at November 22, 2004 05:05 PM
GARY DO NOT BACK OF OF BOB SO EASY ??
Kevin Sites was doing no less. He did his job under difficult circumstances, and explained possible mitigating circumstances in detail for the Marine's actions in his original post that went out with the video.
You can debate whether or not embedded reporters should go out with the troops, but don't expect them to do a half-ass job if you let them in.
*END RANT*
Posted by: Bob Owens at November 22, 2004 04:34 PM
WHAT ELSE WAS ON THAT TAPE THAT THE ARABS HAVE USE OVER AND OVER TO MAKE US LOOK BAD??
DAMN RIGHT THE REPORTER WAS WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! AND PUT THAT OUT TO HATE AMERICA!!
AND BOB YOU ARE GUILTY FOR MAKING EXCUSES AND NOW YESTERDAY A MARINE DIED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SHOOT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST...
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT AND COURAGE TO DESTORY ALLL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Catherine,
The liberal and Islamic media have not affected to rules of engagement. You are just wrong, dear, in your assumptions.
It is still kill or be killed, and that hasn't changed for thousands of years, and isn't likely change for thousands more. If you think otherwise, you vastly overestimate the affect the influence of the media on combat troops. The Marines have one standing order: You, as a Marine, are not allowed to die. Any violation of that rule will piss off your superior officers and result in paperwork. Am I clear? There isn't a single man down becuase they hesitated becuase they were contemplating what Maureen Dowd might say about them.
If anyone actually wants to read a first-hand account from Sites instead of liberal and conservative spin, his account is linked here.
Make your own judgements.
http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/News_Release.asp?NewsRelease=20041177.txt
November 22, 2004
Release Number: 04-11-77
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
INSURGENTS FAKING DEAD FIRES ON MARINES
FALLUJAH, Iraq – Marines from the 1st Marine Division shot and killed an insurgent, who while faking dead, opened fire on the Marines that were conducting a security and clearing patrol through the streets here at approximately 3:45 p.m. on 21 November.
Bob what do you call this??
The Marines are now worried about going to Jail instead of being carried by 6 the rules may not have changed but it does make a difference!!
We lost 3 Marines in this action!!
Sorry Bob he was wrong sure he had other video to show that day or could have shown nothing??
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200411190830.asp
November 19, 2004, 8:30 a.m.
The Real Humanists
Revolution from Afghanistan to Iraq.
In September and early October 2001 we were warned that an invasion of Afghanistan was impossible — peaks too high, winter and Ramadan on the way, weak and perfidious allies as bad as the Islamists — and thus that the invasion would result in tens of thousands killed and millions of refugees. Where have all these subversive ankle-biters gone? Apparently into thin air — or to the same refuge of silence as all the Reagan-haters of the 1980s who swore that a nuclear freeze was the only humane policy of dealing with Soviet expansionism.
After the seven-week defeat of the Taliban, these deer-in-the-headlights critics paused, and then declared the victory hollow. They said the country had descended into rule by warlords, and called the very idea of scheduled voting a laughable notion. We endured them for almost two years. Yet after the recent and mostly smooth elections, Afghanistan has slowly disappeared from the maelstrom of domestic politics, as all those who felt our efforts were not merely impossible but absurd retreated to the shadows to gnash their teeth that Kabul is not yet Carmel. Western feminists, homosexual-rights advocates, and liberal reformists have never in any definitive way expressed appreciation for the Afghan revolution now ongoing in the lives of 26 million formerly captive people. They never will. Instead, Westerners simply now assume that there was never any controversy, but rather a general consensus that Afghanistan is a "good thing" — as if the Taliban went into voluntarily exile due to occasional censure from The New York Review of Books.
The more ambitious effort to achieve similar results in Iraq is following the same script, despite even more daunting challenges. Fascistic neighbors rightly see elections in Iraq as near fatal to their own bankrupt regimes. Some have oil; others have terrorists; still more, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, have both. Unlike Afghanistan, there is no neutral India or Russia nearby to keep Islamists wary, only the provinces of the ancient caliphate to supply plenty of jihadists to continue the work of September 11. Our mistakes in the reconstruction of Iraq were never properly critiqued as naïve and too magnanimous, but rather they were decried by the Left as cruel and punitive — as if being too lax was proof of being harsh.
Yet, thanks to the brilliance of the U.S. military and despite the rocky reconstruction and our own election hysteria, there is a good chance that the January elections can begin a cycle similar to what we see in Afghanistan. And at that point things should get very, very interesting.
Just as the breakdown of a few Communist Eastern European states led to a general collapse of Marxism in the east, or the military humiliation in colonial Africa and the Falklands led to democratic renaissance in Iberia and Argentina, or American military efforts in Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Panama City brought consensual government to Central America, a reformed Afghanistan and Iraq may prompt what decades of billions of dollars in wasted aid to Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestinians, the 1991 Gulf War, and 60 years of appeasement of Gulf petrol-sheiks could not: the end of the old sick calculus of Middle East tyrannies blackmailing the United States through past intrigue with the Soviet Union, then threats of oil embargos and rigged prices, and, most recently, both overt and stealthy support for fundamentalist killers.
The similar effort to isolate Arafat, encourage the withdrawal from Gaza, and allow the Israelis to proceed with the fence have brought more opportunity to the Middle East than all of Dennis Ross's shuttles put together, noble and well-meant though his futile efforts were. The onus is on the Palestinians now either to turn Gaza into their own republic or give birth to another Lebanon — their call before a globalized audience. They can hold elections and shame the Arab League by being the embryo of consensual government in the Middle East, or coronate yet another thug and terrorist in hopes that again the United States will play a Chamberlain to their once-elected Hitler.
If someone wonders about the enormous task at hand in democratizing the Middle East, he could do no worse than ponder the last days of Yasser Arafat: the tawdry fight over his stolen millions; the charade of the First Lady of Palestine barking from a Paris salon; the unwillingness to disclose what really killed the "Tiger" of Ramallah; the gauche snub of obsequious Europeans hovering in the skies over Cairo, preening to pay homage to the late prince of peace; and, of course, the usual street theater of machine guns spraying the air and thousands of males crushing each other to touch the bier of the man who robbed them blind. Try bringing a constitution and open and fair elections to a mess like that.
But that is precisely what the United States was trying to do by removing the Taliban, putting Saddam Hussein on trial, and marginalizing Arafat. Such idealism has been caricatured with every type of slur — from both the radical Left and the paleo-Right, ranging from alleged Likud conspiracies and neo-con pipe dreams to secret pipeline deals and plans for a new American imperium in the Middle East shepherded in by the Bush dynasts. In fact, the effort not just to strike back after September 11, but to alter the very landscape in which our enemies operated was the only choice we had if we wished to end the cruise-missile/bomb-'em-for-a-day cycle of the past 20 years, the ultimate logic of which had led to the crater at the World Trade Center.
Oddly, our enemies understand the long-term strategic efforts of the United States far better than do our own dissidents. They know that oil is not under U.S. control but priced at all-time highs, and that America is not propping up despotism anymore, but is now the general foe of both theocracies and dictatorships — and the thorn in the side of "moderate" autocracies. An America that is a force for democratic change is a very dangerous foe indeed. Most despots long for the old days of Jimmy Carter's pious homilies, appeasement of awful dictatorships gussied up as "concern" for "human rights," and the lure of a Noble Prize to ensure nights in the Lincoln bedroom or hours waiting on a dictator's tarmac.
In the struggle in Fallujah hinges not just the fate of the Sunni Triangle, or even Iraq, but rather of the entire Middle East — and it will be decided on the bravery and skill of mostly 20-something American soldiers. If they are successful in crushing and humiliating the fascists there and extending the victory to other spots then the radical Islamists and their fascistic sponsors will erode away. But if they fail or are called off, then we will see Days of Sorrow that make September 11 look like child's play.
We are living in historic times, as all the landmarks of the past half-century are in the midst of passing away. The old left-wing critique is in shambles — as the United States is proving to be the most radical engine for world democratic change and liberalization of the age. A reactionary Old Europe, in concert with the ossified American leftist elite, unleashed everything within its ample cultural arsenal: novels, plays, and op-ed columns calling for the assassination of President Bush; propaganda documentaries reminiscent of the oeuvre of Pravda or Leni Riefenstahl; and transparent bias passed off as front-page news and lead-ins on the evening network news.
Germany and France threw away their historic special relationships with America, while billions in Eastern Europe, India, Russia, China, and Japan either approved of our efforts or at least kept silent. Who would have believed 60 years ago that the great critics of democracy in the Middle East would now be American novelists and European utopians, while Indians, Poles, and Japanese were supporting those who just wanted the chance to vote? Who would have thought that a young Marine from the suburbs of Topeka battling the Dark Ages in Fallujah — the real humanist — was doing more to aid the planet than all the billions of the U.N.?
Those on the left who are ignorant of history lectured the Bush administration that democracy has never come as a result of the threat of conflict or outright war — apparently the creation of a democratic United States, Germany, Japan, Italy, Israel, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Serbia, and Afghanistan was proof of the power of mere talk. In contrast, the old realist Right warned that strongmen are our best bet to ensure stability — as if Saudi Arabia and Egypt have been loyal allies with content and stable pro-American citizenries. In truth, George Bush's radical efforts to cleanse the world of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, bring democracy to the heart of the Arab world, and isolate Yasser Arafat were the most risky and humane developments in the Middle East in a century — old-fashioned idealism backed with force in a postmodern age of abject cynicism and nihilism.
Quite literally, we are living in the strangest, most perilous, and unbelievable decade in modern memory.
— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com.
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if the terrorist or anyone else who don't follow the rules or guidelines, deserve what ever they get. the door should not be closed to our service men and women, if we're fair game ,they should be also. anyone supporting the other side againest our service men and women , should be fair game to anyone. shoot and ask question later. protect our own first, anyone who don't agree get your ---over there , give them a big hug.
There has been no war in which the Geneva Conventions have been followed, EVER.
Besides, is America based on the Constitution, or international law? Last time I checked, it was the former.
The Marine did nothing wrong, he did an excellent job in fact. If there was anything wrong with what he did wouldn't the other soldiers take Sites camera and destroy the evidence? By letting Sites keep it just proves that nothing wrong happened.
Its kill or be killed when dealing with Islamic fundamentalists... just ask any Russian Soldier who served in Chechnya, Serbians who were in Kosovo or Indian Soldiers in Kashmir.
The terrorists/insurgents want total war ( I dont imagine your average Muslim has read any histories of the Second World War's Eastern Front). This sort of thing is what they will get...
IN the interest of not taking up too muc space on this already long thread, more commentary on the subject of Kevin Sites is available here.
Hi, sorry for the additional post, but what exactly is the petition for? Is Kevin Sites in jail because of the shooting and we are petitioning for him to be freed?
The marine had little time to make a decision--his life or the life of a possibly armed murderous pig--I believe he made the correct decision. They are fighting an enemy who does not wear a uniform, who hides in crowds of women and children, who fakes dead and then opens fire, who pretends to surrender only to open fire, who booby trap the bodies of their dead to explode and kill our soldiers if they get too close. Next time let the camera man go and see if the guy is really dead, or just pretending.
I agree that he has made the correct decision too. But what exactly is the petition about? Was he charged in court? Convicted? Court Martialed? If the US Army isn't making a big deal out of this, then why are we making a big deal out of this? I rather sign a petition to support all the troops and mourn the loss of those fallen in battle than to make a big hype about this issue.