We never know, when we hear of various terror arrests, what havoc might have been wrought if the terrorists had remained at large. From itv.com, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Britain's security services thwarted a September 11-style attack on targets including Canary Wharf and Heathrow Airport, according to reports.The plot is said to have involved pilots being trained to fly into target buildings including London's famous financial centre and the world's busiest airport.
It is one of four or five al-Qaeda planned attacks, since 9/11, that have come to nothing, after the authorities intervened, reports claim.
wHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE PICKED fRANCE??
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destory ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat Amen
They're constantly busy at the only thing they know how to do: destroy and murder. What a lovely religion. Must be quite frustrating to be thwarted. Cheated out of their express trip to their brothel in the sky, instead having to continue living their bleak, pointless existences on earth. But then what else do Muslims have to live for anyway? Bereft of creativity and free-thinking, trapped in a fanatically micro-managed, backward "life". All they want to do is end their miserable lives, which would be alright except that they want to take us along with them.
These spectacular 9/11-type attacks are probably easier to detect and thwart. Which is why I think a WMD-type of attack is what they're desperately plotting. Chemical or nuclear. I hope the authorities can prevent such attacks. It would be unbearably horrific if they couldn't.
This was reported on ITV about four hours ago. But it has yet to be reported on the BBC, either on their TV news or their website.
And it isn't just a question of being under-reported - there is just no mention of it.
Smell a rat here. It's Arafat's death all over again.
It doesn't fit in with the BBC's lefty agenda to admit that the war on terror is right. Still, as a Brit living in London, I'm very glad the attack was thwarted. All those years of IRA terrorism have sharpened the security services up.
Good news that they didn`t succeed in their murderous attempt.
BBC,as far as i know ,operates on government funds and it should be held responsible for holding back this kind of news.
After the Van Gogh murder in Holland,a 9/11 type of attack in Britain,would have meant the begining of the end for the muslim cancer in Europe and probably in all western countries.
I just hope that BBC or maybe CNN will pick up the story;together with the 4 hours series on Fox,it could mark a new awakening of the western world .
I saw a promo on FOX news for a 4 part special that begins Tuesday called Eurabia about the problems Muslims are causing in Europe. The series will be on the Fox Report and it does not appear to be the usual PC "islam is a religion of peace" nonsense.The promo mentions Muslims seperating themselves, violence, recruiting for terrorism and causing problems in the countries that have welcomed them. Could this be the beginning of the MSM waking up?
The S.A.S. is one of the best anti-terror task forces in the world. It is a force that the I.R.A. fear. I am sure they can get out the Raid and fumigate more cockroach nests. They can first start with the mosques.
Just saw Tucker Carlson on PBS Buffalo give a stinging verbal slap to islamists relating to the Van Gogh murder. Thank you Tucker.
To Adela,
No, the BBC is not funded by the Brit gov.
There is a tax that each user of a TV pays, and that money supports the network ( assuming nothing has changed in the last few years ).
Now, obviously the gov. authorizes the tax, but it seems, in the Brit. mind anyway, to mean that the gov. cannot direct the BBC.
ANY direct interference from Blair would be a major political blunder, unless the provocation was obscenely sized and obvious to all Brits.
Like yourself, i think that some incredibly important stories, such as the V.G. murder, are underplayed, if shown at all.
If someone would like to suggest why, i'd like to know.
The BBC hasn't reported this? Oh gee, what a surprise. If it were an attack by Zionists, I'm sure they'd be reporting it 24 hours a day, for the next year. But they wouldn't want to put a certain ethnic minority into a bad light, now, would they? If an attack by Al-Q were successful and if the BBC were still unfortunately operational, I'm sure they'd blame it on Tony Blair, the UK's involvement in Iraq, Bush, the US, Jews, Israel, etc., etc., etc.
It's now 10am UK time. News of this planned attack broke on ITV around 12 hours ago. But on the BBC nothing at all. Nothing on the Today programme or their website.
Very fishy.
If FOX news reports on this, the michael moores, dan rathers and john f-ing kerrys of the US may well call it 'Hype,' meant to create fear among the populace to keep them under control. If they mention it themselves at all.
Aha! I found the Canadian version of the kind of news coverage keithjoy hates:
www.canadafreepress.com
At last, a Canadian news voice I can read online...
Ms. Faraalee says "But then what else do Muslims have to live for anyway? Bereft of creativity and free-thinking, trapped in a fanatically micro-managed, backward "life". All they want to do is end their miserable lives".
Being a muslim I take lots of offence to your (somewhat) biased opinion. Ofcourse you are entitled to it but...is it productive, is it true, can you have a healthy mindset thinking this, is it balanced?
Yes insurgents think like this, a lot of control freaks will think like this, they are a tiny tiny lot, you shouldn't use the same broadbrush to one and all.
MOST muslims (like me) simply want to get on with their daily lives, they want to improve themselves and their standard of living....just like you I suppose.
Reform (provided the Koran is left untouched) of Islam's general way thinking *will* start in the West. This may take a little time, but by you folks showing the right attitude, free thinking and gently encouraging this attitude in muslims will promote reform.
So difficult as it may be perhaps if we made the 1st moves together, make a bid to make us feel welcome perhaps we would all start to integrate.
A number of joint initatives and projects could be undertaken, which require mutual trust and friendship.
The trick is to get lots of muslims to feel free who will tell the good news to others, causing a momentum of free thinking making it impossible to go backwards.
I think we are missing a trick here, the point is not to stop muslims coming to the West, instead we should encourage lots and lots more muslims to come to the West....
I am hearing that CNN is covering this now. However the person who told me says they are flashing a newsline about the Queen... as if the Queen of England had anything to do with the speeches being made in Parliament. I will have to look at their site, I guess... are there people dumb enough in the US to think the QoE actually runs the country?
I heard on an A and E special that Al-Jazeerah was started by ex BBC employees. Isn't that interesting?
There is a website called BBCWATCH that keeps tabs on all the news stories that they fail to cover.
Go check it out, there are alot of stories that they either fail to report on or what is reported turns out to be incorrect.
Bush plans to push his immigration plan forward. I have a serious problem with this. It's the only thing that I really disagree with him on.
I hope the majority of House Republicans continue to to block it, otherwise we will see a rise of reports of failed attempts like this report, here in the states.
It's already bad enough as it is without aiding those who would do more harm by easing the way into the country.
We all need to support Trancredo from Colorado in his efforts to stop the flow of illegals.
Off soapbox now!
CNN reported the story this morning...BUT made sure to say it was "un-named sources" and "unconfirmed sources" ...just their little way of making it seem like nothing....the basketball brawl seemed to be more important to CNN than a thwarted terror attack...on the other hand if the terrorists had succeeded CNN would have been all over it, of course with the slant as to "what brought the misunderstood terrorists" to do such a thing, gee they must have had a good reason...cant wait till we can get fox news over here.
Naseem
((I think we are missing a trick here, the point is not to stop muslims coming to the West, instead we should encourage lots and lots more muslims to come to the West....))
ROFLOL!!
Thanks for cheering me up your taqqiya ridden hypocrisy and mandacity is hilarious!!
;-)
I think we are missing a trick here, the point is not to stop muslims coming to the West, instead we should encourage lots and lots more muslims to come to the West....
Posted by: Naseem at November 23, 2004 06:16 AM
Thanks, but we've advanced to the point of having mechanical farm equipment.
Hey gang, don't forget, a rebuttal to comments like Naseem's will be aired tonight at 7pm on Fox News-EURABIA
Watch this and tell everyone you know to watch it as well. Also, if anyone has time today, please call your Senators and Congressmen/Women and tell them to watch it.
I think we are missing a trick here, the point is not to stop Muslims coming to the West, instead we should encourage lots and lots more Muslims to come to the West....
Posted by: Naseem
Personally I would prefer to bring in more Vietnamese, they have a lot better food and are darned hard workers… and are good capitalists on top of it all.
But seriously Naseem, you say, “free thinking and gently encouraging this attitude in Muslims will promote reform.” That is fine for a non violent group that seems willing to assimilate and accept the host culture, but it does not seem to be the case here, does it. Islam is not compatible with a free society because it has codified a dictatorial system of government and stands by that system, even though it is 1400 years old.
If Muslims behave this badly when they consist of only a very small part of population of the West, imagine how they will behave when they reach 20%, or 30%, or 50% of the population?? Scary thought eh? No… we don’t need more… we need fewer Muslims.
Good People,
Please don’t forget that Jews and Christians have had centuries to accomplish the transition from public and political religion to private and communal religion.
The state of world circumstances dictate that moderate Muslims do this on the spot. The two older religions did so under duress, chaotically, and with some success, they too had several decades of turmoil.
Time must also be given to Islam to undergo reform at a pace that can be absorbed by it, or fast-track it strategically. There are 2 ways here, and I believe both should be exercised in equal vigor.
1)Impose it in Muslim lands, this is what Mr. Bush is trying to achieve c.f. Afganistan, Iraq.
2)Nurture it in lands where freedom is a given.
Sure, difficulties will arise in each scenario, but you need both for fast-track. You know it makes sense, just a change to the mindset is required here, and here I concede readily that the mindset change will be made faster in the Western mind. You’ll have to “indulge” us before we come up to speed.
Currently, people keep talking about Islamo-fascism. We are all fighting it, fighting about it or fighting about fighting it. I am not saying this is the only thing we are fighting about but it is a common denominator today.
This common denominator needs to change to freedom and integration. What about a couple of important projects to allow this to foster, I have a couple in mind!
'The state of world circumstances dictate that moderate Muslims do this on the spot. The two older religions did so under duress, chaotically, and with some success, they too had several decades of turmoil.' ~ Naseem
Right. I realize a lot of people have reason to doubt Naseem (and who knows for sure, aside from Naseem, eh?), but she does make a valid point, in my Op. We had quite a few religous wars after Luther came along, and it settled a lot of things (but not all).
Unfortunately if this IS the beginning of an Islamic Reformation? It has an awful lot of capacity to do a hell of a lot more damage, due to today's technology.
Naseem, I have to say I see where you are coming from, but the ball is still pretty much in the Immam's court.
Where I DO majorly disagree with you, is the view of the West that (you?) many muslims hold. If we were really that bad they wouldn't be having as much trouble as they are in Iraq, let alone the rest of the world. And it is often the very people in the West who Support ME views on things, who are taking the West down the road you complain about.
Posted by Naseem:
Please don’t forget that Jews and Christians have had centuries to accomplish the transition from public and political religion to private and communal religion.
This is absolute horsepucky Naseem. Please don't forget that the tiny nation of Isreal is surrounded by 350 million muslims. Their goal is to annhialate Isreal. Christians never had any real political influence. It is quickly being eroded by islam and secularism. Please don't forget that the founding regions of Chistianity is shrinking due to islam by violent force.
You better check your history books Naseem, rather than islamic bias media.
Muslims have also had centuries to make this transition. AND THEY'VE FAILED.
Naseem, what will be harder for Muslims to get their minds around is that Mohammed was a charlatan. He made up the Koran and made up Islam for his own financial gain. It wasn't God inspired. By contrast , the New Testament was written by 30-40 educated men who were not expecting to win great riches from their work. And didn't. Many became martyrs instead (the authentic kind, not decadent Muslim martyrs aspiring to guilt-free sex in heaven...)
Muslims are to be pitied because they're stuck with a faulty ideology that can't withstand the test of even an afternoon's research.
The thwarting of this terror attempt is good news indeed. Even better it would've been if the attempt failed in a more high-profile way, in a public place where a bomb didn't explode etc such that mainstream media can then no longer ignore it (they'll certainly try to spin it) but the news gets to the larger public.
Roxane, thanks for the heads up about Fox Report, but I guarantee you all the MSM are going to say Fox is "inciting hatred" blah blah blah, assuming Fox does a good forthright story.
There are two issues raised in this discussion. One is BBC and the other is Naseem's view.
BBC has consistently been biased and stupidly. I am amazed to see the thick skinned stupid guys clutching at Afgan Poppy growing for a headline when they had nothing else to report but the loss of Falluja to BBC.
And for Islam, the plan is very clear except to the dumb liberals and boot licking left that the purpose of immigration to West is to occupy, if not today, may be 50 years from now. Once the Oil runs out of the Arab countries, what else they can do ?
There is a great amount of land holding funded by Muslim countries in countries like India, through the local Mosques. No one believes they are peaceful and every one knows that they want to spread Islam till there is only Islam.
Every sensible person, who wants his / her children to be safe, should ensure the vote never goes to the wimpish liberals ever again.
Naseem says:
"Ms. Faraalee says "But then what else do Muslims have to live for anyway? Bereft of creativity and free-thinking, trapped in a fanatically micro-managed, backward "life". All they want to do is end their miserable lives".
"Being a muslim I take lots of offence to your (somewhat) biased opinion. Ofcourse you are entitled to it but...is it productive, is it true, can you have a healthy mindset thinking this, is it balanced?
". . .Reform (provided the Koran is left untouched) of Islam's general way thinking *will* start in the West. This may take a little time, but by you folks showing the right attitude, free thinking and gently encouraging this attitude in muslims will promote reform."
Folks, Naseem is satisfied with her condition in life only because she lives in the non-Muslim world, where she has the freedom to pick and choose what she believes and does.
Poor baby--she "takes lots of offence" at what so many of us say. Good. It's a start, dear.
Her statement that "Reform (provided the Koran is left untouched) of Islam's general way of thinking will start in the West." is patently ridiculous. Naseem, dear, it's precisely the Koran that is the problem.
I suggest you read a bit about the Mu'tazilites of your own history. And Ibn Rushd.
Drudge also has a link up to this report on IWT.
As regards to Naseem... we need to come to a definition of a 'Moderate' muslim. However that is to be achieved, we also need people on the muslim side of the equation to give their input. But at some point there is going to be a cut-off by the Less moderate muslims, and then we get to start over. It will only progress by degrees... and of all the people who have come arguing the muslim side of things so far, well...
Thank you Naseem,
for your reasonable response.
Because mo was, by Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, standards, ie by anyones standards but a muslims, an evil piece of work,
who killed and murdered his fellow arabs until they were willing to let him lead them, who stole, who lied, who tortured, to get his way, and because islam posits that ugly depraved degenerate as the ideal man,
there can be no place on this planet for islam.
After 1350 years it is time to clean house.
Otherwise, had islam a sound core, as virtually every other religion does, i would absolutely agree with you that more muslims in western countries would help islam moderate.
For the record, I believe Naseem is domiciled in her native Pakistan, although she did life in the UK for a while.
Otherwise, anyone who thinks any book, holy or otherwise, is sacrosanct is a fool. All are written by people and all people have their own biases and agendas.
Given her Pakistani origins, we don't know if Naseem is sufficiently conversant in Arabic to even understand the Koran on its face, let alone appreciate the broader implications that it is simply one man's account of events, primarily recorded by his followers, and filled with nothing more than rationalizations for all sorts of violations of the lives of other human beings.
Perhaps that's the basis for deterimining who is a "moderate" or "progressive" Muslim.
Canadian news (Global) just reported on this. I was rather surprised, they gave the whole story.
Of course, they also got someone who complained about the 'timing of this warning', for political reasons.
Shortly after the 9/11 attack many Arabs and Muslims in Canada boastfully insisted it was the fault of the USA for not doing anything about the hijackers that were allowed to be in the Country
and take flying lesson and have money wired to them undetected.
Now that a plot has been foiled I don't want to hear one word from Muslims about "Being innocent until proven guilty" and that 'Profiling" was used and it violated their rights.
Muslims either accept the violence within Islam or oppose it by helping to rid Islam of the
Jihadists that aren't the "True" Muslims that they hate so much for ruining the image of Allah and Muhammed.
NO ISLAM - KNOW A FREE HOLLAND
Aha! I found the Canadian version of the kind of news coverage keithjoy hates:
www.canadafreepress.com
At last, a Canadian news voice I can read online...
Posted by: Gary
Gary
canadafreepress.com is good.
The Western Standard isn't too bad, although not strictly a online 'zine.
http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/index.cfm?
Islamic Riddle
We all know that the Star in the Jewish religion is the Star of David.
And we know that the Cross in Christianity is there because Jesus was crucified on the cross.
But do you know where the Crescent or the Moon comes from in Islam?
a) The Turkish flag
b) Pre-Islamic Allah was a Moon God
c) The Arabs were deeply impressed with the shape of the Moon
If you chose b) then you are correct.
Prophet Mohammed worshiped a God named Allah before Islam was founded. Pre-Islamic Allah had three daughters - all mentioned in the Koran and were known as the Trinity Dessert Goddesses, Al-lat(u), Menat and Al-Uzza. [1 God + 3 Gods = 4 Gods.]
All of these Goddesses would have been important to Mohammed’s family or the Quraish. Allatu was Allah’s main daughter; a Mother Goddess, known simply as ‘The Goddess’. Allatu was so popular that she was borrowed by the Greeks and became Leto – Mother of Apollo. Al-Uzza was represented as the morning star - Venus.
But more significantly Menat had a cult which was between Mecca and Medina and was worshiped in the form of a ‘Black Stone’ or the Kaaba at Mecca; the very same black stone that every devote Muslim is required to encircle during his (her) pilgrimage or Hajj to Mecca at Ramadan.
This explains how it could be that Mohammed’s own father was named Allah or Abdullah - which translates into a servant of Allah – even before Islam was created. Mohammed was born into a family known as the Quraish {Webster's Third Dictionary}, who for more than 200 years were the caretakers of the ‘Black Stone’ or Kaaba at Mecca. Before Islam, Mohammed’s religion was known as Kaaba with Allah as God.
Worshiping Moon and Sun Gods and Goddesses were common in ancient times, from the Queen of Sheba in Ethiopia to the Ancient Greeks. Historical facts seem to show that Islam has its foundation in this Mythology, with any Biblical connection being added later – perhaps to give the religion legitimacy in the face of the other powerful regional ‘One God’ religions. (Most things Islamic were developed under the Syrians, who took over Islam after killing Mohammed’s cousin.)
The definition of a moderate Muslim is very simple: A Muslim who is out of ammunition. :)
On a more serious note: NOTHING said by Muslims about reform of Islam can or should be taken seriously. Islam remains what it has always been a religion of conquest and subjugation. Islam has always defined the world as dar-al-Islam, the "world of submission (to Allah)" and dar-al-Haq, the "world of war". Muslims are COMMANDED by the Koran to wage Jihad (holy war) until the entire world is Muslim. It's as simple as that. And, since there is no unified Islamic religious authority that is universally accepted, there is no chance that the Koran can be reinterpreted to mean something other than what it says.
So, what does all this mean? It means we are in a clash of civilizations that can end only when Islam is universally triumphat or Islam has been beaten so badly her adherents will give up.
You can protest all you want, Naseem, but the facts and results speak for themselves. Islam is the most unproductive, uncreative "culture" on the face of the earth. Over a billion Muslims should mean that Islam should be responsible for at least a sixth of the world's productivity and creativity, but it isn't. Not even after 1400 years. That's plenty of time to have come up with something useful to mankind; don't make excuses that it's not. Oh, wait a minute, that's something that Islam is really good at, really productive and creative at: making excuses.
Look at Italy. After the Roman Empire fell, they still managed to pick themselves up and be an amazingly productive and creative country that makes so many things in so many different industries and fields of art - cars, music, film, fashion, art, furniture, housewares, shoes, jewelry, foodstuffs, etc., etc., etc. One country! How many Nobel prizes do Muslims have? Real Nobel prizes, not ridiculous arse-kissing ones like the one that puke, Arafat, was handed by idiots. How many books are translated into Arabic each year? I read a statistic that said it was less than what one European country translates into its own language in a year - for the whole Islamic world. Where's the art? Other than that severely limiting, and after a short while, boring, calligraphy where's the sculpture, the beautiful landscapes, the portraiture, where's anything artistic? Where's the theatre? The films? The literature? The inventions? The engineering marvels? Arabs can't even extract all that oil they have - gotta have Western technology to remove it, and most of the workers are imported.
Arabs are too busy praying and having their life micro-managed to the nth degree. No wonder Islam is so bereft of anything useful or good. No time to do it. No brains either. Brains are filled with fairy tales of some mythical long lost Golden Era, and with tales of hatred, intolerance and murder. Yeah, go ahead and disagree, but until we see some proof to back your words up, we'll continue to look down our noses and laugh at your silly "culture". The only creativity allowed in Islam is how to spill blood. Even after migrating to the West where one has immense opportunities, but what do we find Islamics doing? Plotting and planning to destroy people and property. Sorry, that's not my idea of creativity and productivity.
I posted on this item here:
http://pullonsupermanscape.typepad.com/pull_on_supermans_cape/2004/11/domestic_terror.html